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Posted: 10/8/2010 10:30:24 PM EDT
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Tula is Russian (Wolf), I generally prefer Barnaul which originates IIRC in Serbia.
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Posted: 10/9/2010 12:12:42 AM EDT
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I recently had a stuck case with soem of the TULA white box from Cabelas. I have shout around 300-400 rounds of it through the same rifle and never had an issue until that last trip.
Extractor tore a bit of the case head and that got stuck between the bolt and chamber/extension. Put a screw driver to the carrier and gave her a whack and it freed it. Cycled 15 rounds manually through it with the same mag (ie same box) and had no issues. Haven't been back out sinse. We'll see. On th subject, who makes Monarch ammo? I have heard it's Barnual, but not 100% sure that's right? |
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Posted: 10/9/2010 1:07:53 AM EDT
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I don't like passing rumors, but someone in here once reported a kaboom from Tula ammo. The red flag wasn't the kaboom itself, although of course that's annoying, but rather that he was unable to find any direct importer or manufacturer to complain to. Everyone involved passed the buck and refused to take responsibility for the ammo, and he was thus stuck bearing the total cost of the resulting damage to his firearm. Tula is very much "use at your own risk" until I hear otherwise. Not worth it, imo. Who do you complain to if you have a kaboom with Lake City ammo? ATK |
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Posted: 10/9/2010 2:57:47 PM EDT
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It's cheaper at AIM. no shipping though. |
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Posted: 10/9/2010 2:58:45 PM EDT
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I may try some but honestly I'm not too excited |
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Posted: 10/9/2010 5:06:43 PM EDT
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I like that tula stuff for the range. I've shot close to 500 rounds recently and had 0 issues. ETA: in .223 Quoted:
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Do not shoot Tula 308 in your FAL Two different guys, two different cases of ammo, two different FAL rifles, same results. Blown out mags. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yet I've shot 500rds of Wolf through my FAL without a single problem. Wolf = Tula if divided by zero There's some fancy statistical term for this i forgot. But basically 500rds aint shit son. 
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Posted: 10/9/2010 5:09:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: It's cheaper at AIM. Do not tell them our secrect!!!! 
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Posted: 10/9/2010 5:44:44 PM EDT
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That sucks. Wish they would have just lowered the price on the fed, and left the russian stuff out of it. Maybe they will now if people start buying Tula and ignore Federal and UMC. Unless of course, the Tula turns out to be crap in comparison. |
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Posted: 10/9/2010 5:45:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: They did raise the price on the Federal 9mm to $10.57/box from $9.40 when the Rooski ammo arrived. interesting strategy on competition competitor comes in so you raise your price makes sense I think it does. Anyone who is unfamiliar with commie boolitz now buys Fed at a higher price, and we still shoot cheap commie shit. |
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Posted: 10/9/2010 5:50:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Doesn't always work - Wolf steel is soft - softer than brass. Steel softer than brass? I learn something new every day on ARFCOM. Well brass is HRb ~40 and 4140 is only HRc 26. Never mind those lower case letters.  Quoted: Quoted: It's cheaper at AIM. no shipping though. I'll pay UPS before I pay taxes. |
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Posted: 10/9/2010 5:53:36 PM EDT
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Do not shoot Tula 308 in your FAL Two different guys, two different cases of ammo, two different FAL rifles, same results. Blown out mags. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yet I've shot 500rds of Wolf through my FAL without a single problem. Wolf = Tula if divided by zero There's some fancy statistical term for this i forgot. But basically 500rds aint shit son.
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Posted: 10/9/2010 6:00:43 PM EDT
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It's cheaper at AIM. no shipping though. No tax at AIM unless you are a Buckeye. |
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Posted: 10/10/2010 7:20:13 PM EDT
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Is the "TulAmmo" stuff in the black boxes imported by the same people as the "Tula Cartridge Works" in the generic white boxes (I know it's the same ammo, I'm wondering if it's the same people importing it and just came out with new packaging).
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Posted: 10/10/2010 9:23:45 PM EDT
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Do not shoot Tula 308 in your FAL Two different guys, two different cases of ammo, two different FAL rifles, same results. Blown out mags. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yet I've shot 500rds of Wolf through my FAL without a single problem. Wolf = Tula if divided by zero There's some fancy statistical term for this i forgot. But basically 500rds aint shit son.
Most intelligent post in the thread. If you guys want to donate more then fell free, but 500rds without a problem is good enough for me. |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 1:38:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I will no longer shoot Tula .223. I've never had any problems with Wolf or any steel cased ammo, but while shooting some fresh from the box Tula I had a round blow a primer and lodge the case in the chamber. The upper and lower came apart fine, and after a few hours of basically beating my Dewey cleaning rod down the bbl with a steel male/female adapter I finally punched the bastard out. No discernible bulge in case, I need to take some calipers to it to check the specs just for shits and gigs. Checked the chamber and barrel thoroughly, nothing out of the ordinary, no burrs or anything else. Lake City and Federal brass ran fine after that. I was going to post pics and make a thread, but never got around to it. This was about a month ago. I gave the rest of that ammo away to a friend with fair warning, I don't know if he's shot it yet. I'm confident the issue wasn't with the gun, so from now on no Tula for me, likely no steel case at all. I think I'll manage. Next time do not put a steel rod down the bore and beat on it. You probably scratched the shit out of your bore. Leave the rifle assembled. Pull down on the charging handle while you smack the buttstock on the ground a few times and it will come right out. RIF. I didn't put a steel cleaning rod down the bore, I put a Dewey (fiberglass) rod down the bore, with a steel tip (quite smaller than the bore diameter) that went inside the empty case. I slid the rod in gently and strait, if that "scratched the shit out of the bore" then that chrome lining must be some real shit. I tried smacking it on the ground, that was the first thing I did when I realized the problem. Obviously, I wouldn't have run a damn rod down the barrel if it had been that simple.  |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 2:01:32 PM EDT
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They did raise the price on the Federal 9mm to $10.57/box from $9.40 when the Rooski ammo arrived. interesting strategy on competition competitor comes in so you raise your price makes sense Federal didn't raise the price; Walmart did. It makes perfect sense when you consider that they started selling a similar, but widely considered "inferior" product at almost the same price point. |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 2:11:11 PM EDT
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I saw some but they only had 9mm and 45acp. I didn't buy any since I refuse to buy steel for any handgun that is not a commie gun. I however have no problem shooting them in most rifles including my ARs. The brass pistol ammo was either the same or $1 more so I went with brass.
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Posted: 10/11/2010 2:20:55 PM EDT
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the guy at walmart said they were going to stop stocking wwb and move to tul.....
he better be full of shit.
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Posted: 10/11/2010 3:04:12 PM EDT
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the guy at walmart said they were going to stop stocking wwb and move to tul..... he better be full of shit. If they go all Tula my Walmart ammo buying days would be over. They would probably still carry maroon/black box of Federal but WWB is always the cheapest and sold in 100 packs. |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 4:36:36 PM EDT
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I don't like passing rumors, but someone in here once reported a kaboom from Tula ammo. The red flag wasn't the kaboom itself, although of course that's annoying, but rather that he was unable to find any direct importer or manufacturer to complain to. Everyone involved passed the buck and refused to take responsibility for the ammo, and he was thus stuck bearing the total cost of the resulting damage to his firearm. Tula is very much "use at your own risk" until I hear otherwise. Not worth it, imo. I remember that thread. |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 4:37:36 PM EDT
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YES!~~~!!!!
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Posted: 10/11/2010 4:51:32 PM EDT
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Doesn't always work - Wolf steel is soft - softer than brass. Steel softer than brass? I learn something new every day on ARFCOM. Yeah, someone failed metallurgy 101. |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 4:56:13 PM EDT
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Doesn't always work - Wolf steel is soft - softer than brass. Steel softer than brass? I learn something new every day on ARFCOM. Well brass is HRb ~40 and 4140 is only HRc 26. Never mind those lower case letters.
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It's cheaper at AIM. no shipping though. I'll pay UPS before I pay taxes. HRB and HRC scale's are apples and oranges. B scale uses a ball bearing and C scale uses a diamond point. I worked in a metallurgy lab for 5 years and did hardness testing every day. |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 5:14:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Doesn't always work - Wolf steel is soft - softer than brass. Steel softer than brass? I learn something new every day on ARFCOM. Well brass is HRb ~40 and 4140 is only HRc 26. Never mind those lower case letters. Quoted: Quoted: It's cheaper at AIM. no shipping though. I'll pay UPS before I pay taxes. HRB and HRB scale's are apples and oranges. B scale uses a ball bearing and C scale uses a diamond point. I worked in a metallurgy lab for 5 years and did hardness testing every day. I think you mean B vs C. Edit: C is typically used for harder materials where a spherical shape won't make an impression or it won't be as well defined (and as measurable) as an X pattern in a prepared surface. On the topic, I haven't seen Tula at my local Walmartz, but when I do I'm gonna buy some and I'm gonna run it through my AR... |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 5:43:43 PM EDT
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Tula is Russian (Wolf), I generally prefer Barnaul which originates IIRC in Serbia. When it gets down into the $6-8 range in 9mm I will buy it. Barnaul is Russian, made in Eastern Russia,not too far from the northern border of Xian JIang Province, China. |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 5:45:27 PM EDT
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All steel cased in a flashy red and black box. 9mm $9.47/box. .223 $4.97/box. They did raise the price on the Federal 9mm to $10.57/box from $9.40 when the Rooski ammo arrived. Interesting. Maybe they'll bring in some nice Prvi Partizan loads next. 50 or 100 box? |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 5:53:26 PM EDT
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All steel cased in a flashy red and black box. 9mm $9.47/box. .223 $4.97/box. They did raise the price on the Federal 9mm to $10.57/box from $9.40 when the Rooski ammo arrived. Interesting. Maybe they'll bring in some nice Prvi Partizan loads next. 50 or 100 box? 50 count for the 9mm, .40, and .45. 20 count for the .223. |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 5:55:24 PM EDT
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All steel cased in a flashy red and black box. 9mm $9.47/box. .223 $4.97/box. They did raise the price on the Federal 9mm to $10.57/box from $9.40 when the Rooski ammo arrived. Interesting. Maybe they'll bring in some nice Prvi Partizan loads next. 50 or 100 box? 50 count for the 9mm, .40, and .45. 20 count for the .223. That doesn't seem very cheap. I thought the 100rd WWB stuff for 9mm was going for around $17 the last time I checked? |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 6:05:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: It's cheaper at AIM. Yep. Sometimes I buy ammo there too. But my wife never sends me to AIM to buy a 48 lb bag if IAMs dog food, sometimes she does send me to Walmart and I buy the Federal bulk .22LR while I'm there, today I saw the Tula. Well, you could search her purse for your testicles and credit card and click on over to AIM.  |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 6:05:25 PM EDT
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That doesn't seem very cheap. I thought the 100rd WWB stuff for 9mm was going for around $17 the last time I checked? $27 here in Tallanasty. |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 6:09:47 PM EDT
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Looks like its time to scare the associates when I start hanging around the gun rack at the local wally world!
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Posted: 10/11/2010 6:11:49 PM EDT
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I have a 50 round box of 9mm to try out this weekend, and my friend bought himself two 50 round boxes of .40 S&W.
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Posted: 10/11/2010 6:19:21 PM EDT
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I have a 50 round box of 9mm to try out this weekend, and my friend bought himself two 50 round boxes of .40 S&W. Truthfully, I ran five boxes of the 9mm through my CZ P-07 yesterday without a hitch. It actually shot cleaner then the Federal, which covered my forearm in black shit that I'm assuming was unburnt powder. |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 6:29:21 PM EDT
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Doesn't always work - Wolf steel is soft - softer than brass. Steel softer than brass? I learn something new every day on ARFCOM. Well brass is HRb ~40 and 4140 is only HRc 26. Never mind those lower case letters.
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It's cheaper at AIM. no shipping though. I'll pay UPS before I pay taxes. HRB and HRB scale's are apples and oranges. B scale uses a ball bearing and C scale uses a diamond point. I worked in a metallurgy lab for 5 years and did hardness testing every day. I think you mean B vs C. Edit: C is typically used for harder materials where a spherical shape won't make an impression or it won't be as well defined (and as measurable) as an X pattern in a prepared surface. On the topic, I haven't seen Tula at my local Walmartz, but when I do I'm gonna buy some and I'm gonna run it through my AR... Yeah, that's what I meant. HRB vs. HRC. 
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Posted: 10/11/2010 6:30:39 PM EDT
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All steel cased in a flashy red and black box. 9mm $9.47/box. .223 $4.97/box. They did raise the price on the Federal 9mm to $10.57/box from $9.40 when the Rooski ammo arrived. Interesting. Maybe they'll bring in some nice Prvi Partizan loads next. 50 or 100 box? 50 count for the 9mm, .40, and .45. 20 count for the .223. That doesn't seem very cheap. I thought the 100rd WWB stuff for 9mm was going for around $17 the last time I checked? You haven't been there for awhile, have you? WWB 9mm is now $24 a box. |
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Posted: 10/11/2010 7:10:14 PM EDT
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Is the "TulAmmo" stuff in the black boxes imported by the same people as the "Tula Cartridge Works" in the generic white boxes (I know it's the same ammo, I'm wondering if it's the same people importing it and just came out with new packaging). I'm wondering the same thing. My walmart has the white box russian ?tula? ammo. I bought a case of the stuff and fired about 250rds with no problems. |
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Posted: 10/12/2010 4:52:01 AM EDT
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Doesn't always work - Wolf steel is soft - softer than brass. Steel softer than brass? I learn something new every day on ARFCOM. Well brass is HRb ~40 and 4140 is only HRc 26. Never mind those lower case letters.
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It's cheaper at AIM. no shipping though. I'll pay UPS before I pay taxes. HRB and HRB scale's are apples and oranges. B scale uses a ball bearing and C scale uses a diamond point. I worked in a metallurgy lab for 5 years and did hardness testing every day. I think you mean B vs C. Edit: C is typically used for harder materials where a spherical shape won't make an impression or it won't be as well defined (and as measurable) as an X pattern in a prepared surface. On the topic, I haven't seen Tula at my local Walmartz, but when I do I'm gonna buy some and I'm gonna run it through my AR... Yeah, that's what I meant. HRB vs. HRC.
Rockwell hardness scale I dunno what to say here. I said never mind the small letters in a facetious fashion and then you both concentrated on them.
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Posted: 10/12/2010 6:49:38 AM EDT
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the guy at walmart said they were going to stop stocking wwb and move to tul..... he better be full of shit. If they go all Tula my Walmart ammo buying days would be over. They would probably still carry maroon/black box of Federal but WWB is always the cheapest and sold in 100 packs. Quoted:
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Posted: 10/12/2010 7:22:39 AM EDT
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I saw it and didn't buy any as I haven't heard anything of it... I figured I'd buy about 60 rds to run through my AR to see how it is. Is that even enough to see if it works somewhat decent? I bought two boxes for the same reason. I'm guessing its about Wolfish in performance. That's because it is Wolf. Wolf is just an importer - not a manufacturer. Tula manufactures a lot of ammo for Wolf. Are you sure Wolf is made at Tula? Says so right on the box. Look at the fine print on the bottom right of the box-it says "Manufactured at the Tula Cartridge Works". |
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Posted: 10/12/2010 7:27:23 AM EDT
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I will no longer shoot Tula .223. I've never had any problems with Wolf or any steel cased ammo, but while shooting some fresh from the box Tula I had a round blow a primer and lodge the case in the chamber.
The upper and lower came apart fine, and after a few hours of basically beating my Dewey cleaning rod down the bbl with a steel male/female adapter I finally punched the bastard out. No discernible bulge in case, I need to take some calipers to it to check the specs just for shits and gigs. Checked the chamber and barrel thoroughly, nothing out of the ordinary, no burrs or anything else. Lake City and Federal brass ran fine after that. I was going to post pics and make a thread, but never got around to it. This was about a month ago. I gave the rest of that ammo away to a friend with fair warning, I don't know if he's shot it yet. I'm confident the issue wasn't with the gun, so from now on no Tula for me, likely no steel case at all. I think I'll manage. Next time do not put a steel rod down the bore and beat on it. You probably scratched the shit out of your bore. Leave the rifle assembled. Pull down on the charging handle while you smack the buttstock on the ground a few times and it will come right out. Mine didn't. First round of Tula I fired lodged just like described here. Closed the bolt on the case, pulled the C-handle release and whacked the butt on the ground. Case still chambered. Several more times with no result. Rod down the barrel and it came right out. No other problems after that, have fired 6-8 boxes so far. One round with a problem and none since. When I had the carbine I built I had the same problem with a round of brass cased ammo too, so it's not always steel cased ammo. |
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Posted: 10/12/2010 7:43:14 AM EDT
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Is the "TulAmmo" stuff in the black boxes imported by the same people as the "Tula Cartridge Works" in the generic white boxes (I know it's the same ammo, I'm wondering if it's the same people importing it and just came out with new packaging). I'm wondering the same thing. My walmart has the white box russian ?tula? ammo. I bought a case of the stuff and fired about 250rds with no problems. Locally they have mostly black/red box TulAmmo, but 7.62X39(also $4.97/box) is in the white box/black print. Maybe Tula's using up the plain white boxes and moving to the "pretty" ones hoping for better sales. |
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