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Posted: 1/2/2011 9:07:06 AM EDT
A few weeks ago I was doing a Google on Deuce 1/2 and 5 ton trucks.And came across some EVIL pictures of
armored convoy escorts.Nothing says business like a armor plated Deuce 1/2 with 3 .50 machine guns and a mini gun on it. 
After a few hours of reading they learned to double hull (the cargo/gun area)to protect the gunners from B40 rockets. 
 Then in early 70/71 they went ape shit and put M113 hulls on the backs of some trucks  Its a good read and of course lots of pictures.
http://academic.uofs.edu/faculty/gramborw/atav/gunpictures.htm http://grambo.us/atav/default.html 
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Posted: 1/2/2011 9:13:35 AM EDT
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A few weeks ago I was doing a Google on Deuce 1/2 and 5 ton trucks.And came across some EVIL pictures of armored convoy escorts.Nothing says business like a armor plated Deuce 1/2 with 3 .50 machine guns and a mini gun on it. http://134.198.33.115/img10.jpg
After a few hours of reading they learned to double hull (the cargo/gun area)to protect the gunners from B40 rockets. http://134.198.33.115/gordon/pic-12.jpg http://134.198.33.115/SATF.jpgThen in early 70/71 they went ape shit and put M113 hulls on the backs of some trucks Its a good read and of course lots of pictures.
http://134.198.33.115/Cobra.jpg http://academic.uofs.edu/faculty/gramborw/atav/gunpictures.htm http://grambo.us/atav/default.html Wicked. Redneck engineering at its finest. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 9:18:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/2/2011 9:18:26 AM EDT
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Some of those trucks had quad .50s
An Ambusher's nightmare. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 9:24:19 AM EDT
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Some of those trucks had quad .50s
An Ambusher's nightmare. My dad told me how they used to call in the quad-.50 gun trucks that the Army had when he was on convoys in VN. Said they would receive some sniper fire from a hill or the tree-line, and the quad-.50s would just destroy the area with the fire they put out. Then they would be on their way again...... |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 9:29:11 AM EDT
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As cool as it is, alot of those convoys got their asses handed to them. The NVA liked to ambush convoys.
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Posted: 1/2/2011 9:50:19 AM EDT
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The MRAP's Grandpa?
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Posted: 1/2/2011 10:02:44 AM EDT
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Last one looks like a 113 hull strapped down in the bed of the truck.........somethings changes and some just stay the same...soldiers been rigging scrap armor for protection for awhile.
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Posted: 1/2/2011 10:08:04 AM EDT
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Those gun trucks and Vietnam experiences are where sci-fi author David Drake got the central elements of his Hammer's Slammers series of military sci-fi stories.
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Posted: 1/2/2011 10:10:49 AM EDT
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Last one looks like a 113 hull strapped down in the bed of the truck.........somethings changes and some just stay the same...soldiers been rigging scrap armor for protection for awhile. I think it was the 25th ID that used to put chain link fence around their APCs to pre-detonate RPG rockets in Vietnam. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 10:33:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/2/2011 10:38:03 AM EDT
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Last one looks like a 113 hull strapped down in the bed of the truck. It is. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 10:40:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Last one looks like a 113 hull strapped down in the bed of the truck.........somethings changes and some just stay the same...soldiers been rigging scrap armor for protection for awhile. I think it was the 25th ID that used to put chain link fence around their APCs to pre-detonate RPG rockets in Vietnam. Good ol' American ingenuity |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 10:40:19 AM EDT
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A few weeks ago I was doing a Google on Deuce 1/2 and 5 ton trucks.And came across some EVIL pictures of armored convoy escorts.Nothing says business like a armor plated Deuce 1/2 with 3 .50 machine guns and a mini gun on it. http://134.198.33.115/img10.jpg
After a few hours of reading they learned to double hull (the cargo/gun area)to protect the gunners from B40 rockets. http://134.198.33.115/gordon/pic-12.jpg http://134.198.33.115/SATF.jpgThen in early 70/71 they went ape shit and put M113 hulls on the backs of some trucks Its a good read and of course lots of pictures.
http://134.198.33.115/Cobra.jpg http://academic.uofs.edu/faculty/gramborw/atav/gunpictures.htm http://grambo.us/atav/default.html Wicked. Redneck engineering at its finest. I love the "radio dispatched" sign. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 10:44:05 AM EDT
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Last one looks like a 113 hull strapped down in the bed of the truck.........somethings changes and some just stay the same...soldiers been rigging scrap armor for protection for awhile. I think it was the 25th ID that used to put chain link fence around their APCs to pre-detonate RPG rockets in Vietnam. I used to work with a Brit that had been in Northern Ireland and he told me the same thing. The chainlink was supposed to be pretty effective. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 10:52:42 AM EDT
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http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=24694&prev=1 http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=24695&prev=1 http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=24696&prev=1 Those last two pictures are very interesting. The .50s (or possibly the mounts themselves) have been rigged to use belt feed from a box instead of the spring-wound coffin mags originally designed for anti-aircraft work. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 11:01:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: I see these pics, I have to have this running in the background... fitting.http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=24694&prev=1 http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=24695&prev=1 http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=24696&prev=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFK1yKfiGo&feature=related |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 11:28:47 AM EDT
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I see these pics, I have to have this running in the background... fitting.
http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=24694&prev=1 http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=24695&prev=1 http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=24696&prev=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFK1yKfiGo&feature=related Dear God, Morrison is higher than a kite in that video... |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 11:33:12 AM EDT
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Sad thing is, I think only ONE actual gun truck made it back from Vietnam.
There's a handful of reproductions around the country, tho. One is in Austin. If I get a whole bunch of play money and can't think of anything else to do with it, I might buy a bunch of steel and get my buddy to cut out the armor plate sections on his cnc plasma cutter. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 11:44:05 AM EDT
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Some of those trucks had quad .50s
An Ambusher's nightmare. My dad told me how they used to call in the quad-.50 gun trucks that the Army had when he was on convoys in VN. Said they would receive some sniper fire from a hill or the tree-line, and the quad-.50s would just destroy the area with the fire they put out. Then they would be on their way again...... And we are not using a version of this in the desert because? |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 11:51:06 AM EDT
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Sad thing is, I think only ONE actual gun truck made it back from Vietnam. There's a handful of reproductions around the country, tho. One is in Austin. If I get a whole bunch of play money and can't think of anything else to do with it, I might buy a bunch of steel and get my buddy to cut out the armor plate sections on his cnc plasma cutter. Yep only one left....... The Eve of Destruction Eve of Destruction |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 11:53:33 AM EDT
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thanks for posting these pics!
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Posted: 1/2/2011 11:58:51 AM EDT
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Some of those trucks had quad .50s
An Ambusher's nightmare. My dad told me how they used to call in the quad-.50 gun trucks that the Army had when he was on convoys in VN. Said they would receive some sniper fire from a hill or the tree-line, and the quad-.50s would just destroy the area with the fire they put out. Then they would be on their way again...... And we are not using a version of this in the desert because? ...because we have 25mm chainguns on the Bradley. It's a bit more precise and efficient at fucking somebody's shit the fuck up. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 11:59:46 AM EDT
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And we are not using a version of this in the desert because? Because it might make Hadji the fine, indigenous peoples wet soil himself themselves, and that might hurt his feelings, and how're we supposed to win their HEARTS AND MINDS if we hurt their FEELINGS?!?!?!?!?! fuck obama |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 12:05:52 PM EDT
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Here is some original Vietnam home movie footage of a gun truck with
not only .50 cals but a mini-gun mounted and it shows them lighting stuff up prior to mission very interesting from a historical point alone.......... Vietnam footage |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 12:09:54 PM EDT
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The VC and (to a lesser extent) the NVA were among the finest light infantry jungle fighters in history. That was one of their true strengths.
However, again and again and again, any examination of the Vietnam War reveals what America's great strength was in that conflict: FIREPOWER! Great pictures, thanks. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 12:23:20 PM EDT
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The ones with the M113s inplace of a welded armor plate cargo bed were 3rd (and last) generation Vietnam gun trucks. I would rather have the M134 Minigun was also mounted on a few gun trucks. Intrestinly he M-706, also known as the V-100 Commando or XM706E2, was built by Cadillac Gage (now Textron) starting in 1964 for use in Vietnam for reconnaissance, convoy escort, base perimeter defense, and other security duties. The M-706 was suppose to replace the gun trucks (which were originally a stop gap measure) but it never happened.
I picked this book up years ago when I was building a guntruck model/diorama. A good overall primer and can be found cheaply. 
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Posted: 1/2/2011 12:54:29 PM EDT
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The practice of mounting Ma Deuces's on trucks/halftracks started up during WWII as air defense. But Charlie likes them too!
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Posted: 1/2/2011 1:10:18 PM EDT
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And we are not using a version of this in the desert because? Because they aren't Mine Resistant? Have you not noticed the number and variety of wheeled fighting vehicles we've fielded in recent years? |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 1:19:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: Americas biggest weakness in the war was politics and nothing but.The VC and (to a lesser extent) the NVA were among the finest light infantry jungle fighters in history. That was one of their true strengths. However, again and again and again, any examination of the Vietnam War reveals what America's great strength was in that conflict: FIREPOWER! Great pictures, thanks. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 1:25:08 PM EDT
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The M-706 was suppose to replace the gun trucks (which were originally a stop gap measure) but it never happened. The M1117 is the latest incarnation and has been used in Iraq. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 6:47:13 PM EDT
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These M55 trucks were also attached to D Battery 1st-44 ART my Dad was in at Dong Ha back in '69. He was a traveling mechanic but had to work mainly on the M42 Duster. He was telling me the guys on these M55 trucks were hardcore. They were really tight knit and self dependent. They did everything on these trucks and didn't ask anybody else nuthing! Don't have any pics of the 50's but here's a pic of a Duster Dad had to change the engine out at Hamburger Hill shortly after the main battle:
 My Dad on the left down front. Good read Dad said the Vulcan M16A1 equipped M113A1s would have been a hoot to but never saw them until he got back stateside. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 6:57:20 PM EDT
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I think "Eve Of Destruction" was the only VN era gun truck that was actually brought back to the US (now on display at the US Army Transportation Museum @ Ft. Eustis, Va.); she went through a few evolutions before she became what she is today... The rest were left as scrap metal behind; shameful, really; many of them had very creative ideas in them, like using the aluminum hulls of M113s as part of the vehicle...
Even after Vietnam, she has been closely inspected and her tech data recorded - even during OIF, her design was studied, so it could be applied to the new generation of Gun Trucks that rolled through MSR Tampa and Rt. Irish. 
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Posted: 1/2/2011 7:00:57 PM EDT
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Long live the Deuce.
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Posted: 1/2/2011 7:09:02 PM EDT
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http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=24694&prev=1 http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=24695&prev=1 http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=24696&prev=1 fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 7:11:08 PM EDT
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LOL. And we can't can't even have the names' of our trucks in tiny little print on the hoods. LOL
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Posted: 1/2/2011 7:11:41 PM EDT
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Long live the Deuce. Not wanting to nitpick; but technically, most were in the 5-ton M809 6x6 truck variety... 
However, there were plenty of M35 Gun Trucks out there. 
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Posted: 1/2/2011 7:14:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: And we are not using a version of this in the desert because? We did. They got blown to hell. I was really happy to have a Cougar for my gun truck. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 7:16:44 PM EDT
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You guys shoulda seen the shit that rolled around Mosul, Iraq back in 2004! My companys trucks coulda given those vietnam guntrucks a run for their money!
Iron Maiden - BMP Hull cut in half and welded to the back of a 5-ton dumptruck, with a .50 and a MK19 mounted togehter on the ring mount, and two holes cut out by the headache board for SAWs. Strykertruck - 5-ton dump with a welded steel box surrounding the bed, with Stryker slat armor welded all the way around and 5 gun ports to a side Unknown A. Co truck - Steel welded to dump bed in the fashion of castle parapets with 4 mercedes front seats welded to the floor so the shooters can recline and shoot in fashion. 240 mount on rear tailgate, SAW mount on headache board. The list goes on and on. ETA I will attempt to find pics from my buddies and my harddrive to post later. Stay tuned for EPIC badassery 2004 edition. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 7:20:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: LOL. And we can't can't even have the names' of our trucks in tiny little print on the hoods. LOL You damned sure can't have brass knuckles made out of reflective tape without some PRC-E8 scraping them off.  |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 7:23:02 PM EDT
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LOL. And we can't can't even have the names' of our trucks in tiny little print on the hoods. LOL You damned sure can't have brass knuckles made out of reflective tape without some PRC-E8 scraping them off.
I love being an Engineer, everyone leaves us the fuck alone. We had Bang Bus written in sidewalk chalk in BIG letters on the back of our RG-33 this last tour and no one cared. Also, dear god, the shit we wrote on our trucks/painted/engraved would have made a chaplain cry our first tour in '04! |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 7:26:33 PM EDT
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Those are pretty cool. Good read.
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Posted: 1/2/2011 7:36:24 PM EDT
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tag for awesomeness
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Posted: 1/2/2011 7:48:40 PM EDT
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Ok, i managed to find two pics, how do i go about uploading them?
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Posted: 1/2/2011 7:54:24 PM EDT
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Ok, i managed to find two pics, how do i go about uploading them? if you have a photobucket account, D/L to your folder, then use the links provided ([ img ][/ img ] minus spaces) and post them here. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 7:58:51 PM EDT
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You guys shoulda seen the shit that rolled around Mosul, Iraq back in 2004! My companys trucks coulda given those vietnam guntrucks a run for their money! Iron Maiden - BMP Hull cut in half and welded to the back of a 5-ton dumptruck, with a .50 and a MK19 mounted togehter on the ring mount, and two holes cut out by the headache board for SAWs. Strykertruck - 5-ton dump with a welded steel box surrounding the bed, with Stryker slat armor welded all the way around and 5 gun ports to a side Unknown A. Co truck - Steel welded to dump bed in the fashion of castle parapets with 4 mercedes front seats welded to the floor so the shooters can recline and shoot in fashion. 240 mount on rear tailgate, SAW mount on headache board. The list goes on and on. ETA I will attempt to find pics from my buddies and my harddrive to post later. Stay tuned for EPIC badassery 2004 edition. Did you happen to see a S&S 5-ton with a armor bed kit on it? The sides of the kit were very thick aluminum (floor was steel) with 4 240 mounts and 3 ,50 cal mounts. Two on the side and one seat mount facing rear words. Also troops faced outwards... We did a few and they were sent over there |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 8:00:23 PM EDT
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This was the Iron Maiden, though obviously she had some modifications, the APC hull is prominent. This is before we added the MK19 mount. The vehicle weighed in at over 30000 pounds total. 
And this is one of our gun trucks (RG-33+) from my last tour. This was the Bang Bus. I rode in Shaggin' Waggin' Heres a couple pics of some A Co. Trucks, though they're not all as flamboyant, they all got the job done. 
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Posted: 1/2/2011 8:01:01 PM EDT
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MOAR
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Posted: 1/2/2011 8:05:17 PM EDT
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You guys shoulda seen the shit that rolled around Mosul, Iraq back in 2004! My companys trucks coulda given those vietnam guntrucks a run for their money! Iron Maiden - BMP Hull cut in half and welded to the back of a 5-ton dumptruck, with a .50 and a MK19 mounted togehter on the ring mount, and two holes cut out by the headache board for SAWs. Strykertruck - 5-ton dump with a welded steel box surrounding the bed, with Stryker slat armor welded all the way around and 5 gun ports to a side Unknown A. Co truck - Steel welded to dump bed in the fashion of castle parapets with 4 mercedes front seats welded to the floor so the shooters can recline and shoot in fashion. 240 mount on rear tailgate, SAW mount on headache board. The list goes on and on. ETA I will attempt to find pics from my buddies and my harddrive to post later. Stay tuned for EPIC badassery 2004 edition. Did you happen to see a S&S 5-ton with a armor bed kit on it? The sides of the kit were very thick aluminum (floor was steel) with 4 240 mounts and 3 ,50 cal mounts. Two on the side and one seat mount facing rear words. Also troops faced outwards... We did a few and they were sent over there Didnt see anything fancy like that, woulda liked one though! We had all 5-ton dumps so we just welded shit on however we wanted. We had an Iraqi Tank Battalions worth of dead armor in a graveyard to use so we had all kinda stuff. Being Engineers we just did whatever. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 8:17:11 PM EDT
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Here's some info on convoy ambushes.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/28647899/Convoy-Ambushes Interesting reading. |
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Posted: 1/2/2011 8:18:26 PM EDT
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Some of those trucks had quad .50s
An Ambusher's nightmare. My dad told me how they used to call in the quad-.50 gun trucks that the Army had when he was on convoys in VN. Said they would receive some sniper fire from a hill or the tree-line, and the quad-.50s would just destroy the area with the fire they put out. Then they would be on their way again...... And we are not using a version of this in the desert because? ...because we have 25mm chainguns on the Bradley. It's a bit more precise and efficient at fucking somebody's shit the fuck up. They escorting fuel convoys with Bradleys? |
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