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Posted: 10/25/2011 9:49:28 AM EDT
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How about off-hand with iron sights? Too far to do with any real probability, I'd say. 200 is not bad with good gear.  Irons are fine at 500, 600. Offhand at 500? Too far. When you say offhand, I am thinking standing, unsupported. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 9:49:52 AM EDT
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I was 9/10 from 500 yards last Saturday with an M4 that I had never shot before so.... probably on the first shot.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 9:50:09 AM EDT
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this is where i shoot Morning fog at thunder valley <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/tvpv.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5592/tvpv.jpg</a> Uploaded with ImageShack.us no fog :) we spotted a groundhog at the 1 mile target who took allot of incoming artillery fire... but he lived... <a href="http://min.us/liOJjpO1PHnFl" target="_blank">http://i.minus.com/jiOJjpO1PHnFl.JPG</a> pics from the shoot http://min.us/mpcUhTXgT LOL no backstop berm needed. The bullets just fall down on the ground. 
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Posted: 10/25/2011 9:57:54 AM EDT
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How about off-hand with iron sights? Too far to do with any real probability, I'd say. 200 is not bad with good gear. Irons are fine at 500, 600. Offhand at 500? Too far. When you say offhand, I am thinking standing, unsupported. Yeah, I'd be really interested to see video of someone getting regular hits at 500 yards from the standing. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 9:58:30 AM EDT
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this is where i shoot Morning fog at thunder valley <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/tvpv.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5592/tvpv.jpg</a> Uploaded with ImageShack.us no fog :) we spotted a groundhog at the 1 mile target who took allot of incoming artillery fire... but he lived... <a href="http://min.us/liOJjpO1PHnFl" target="_blank">http://i.minus.com/jiOJjpO1PHnFl.JPG</a> pics from the shoot http://min.us/mpcUhTXgT LOL no backstop berm needed. The bullets just fall down on the ground. we shoot 12x12 steel or 6x8 steel heads depending on the match.. look in the pics... info on the matches is here... the head hunter match is 1 shot only, from 300 to 600 on the heads... 30 targets total... only 1 man has ever run a 30 for 30 .. tom sarver, the owner, useing a 300 HULK, "338lap necked to .30" The TVP .300 Hulk CS Rifle. 18.5 MOA to 1000 yards and 54 MOA to a mile from a 100 yard zero http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2837145&page=1 
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Posted: 10/25/2011 9:58:51 AM EDT
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Get yourself a good spotter with a decent spotting scope and practice with each other. It's makes a world of difference.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:03:21 AM EDT
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I shoot 6" square plates at 500yd with my 16" .308AR with a 3-9x AR-IV scope, I can usually keep 8-9 out of 10 on target.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:04:01 AM EDT
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How about off-hand with iron sights? Too far to do with any real probability, I'd say. 200 is not bad with good gear. Irons are fine at 500, 600. Offhand at 500? Too far. When you say offhand, I am thinking standing, unsupported. Yeah, I'd be really interested to see video of someone getting regular hits at 500 yards from the standing. There is a reason people refer to offhand as "awfulhand" |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:07:08 AM EDT
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On the Internet... I can do it with one shot. In reality... The last time I took such a shot was at the BRM 3-gun back in April. IIRC the target was at 540 yards. Hit it with my second shot. 16" AR with a 1-4 power scope. I'm sure there was a little bit of plain ol' dumb luck involved. The question was about practice shots. So your answer is one, too. Sometimes the first shot is easy to figure out, sometimes not so easy. But a man's torso is a pretty big target to soak up some error if you aren't too picky about where the shot lands. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:13:04 AM EDT
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How about off-hand with iron sights? Too far to do with any real probability, I'd say. 200 is not bad with good gear. Irons are fine at 500, 600. Offhand at 500? Too far. When you say offhand, I am thinking standing, unsupported. Yeah, I'd be really interested to see video of someone getting regular hits at 500 yards from the standing. Go watch a high power silhouette match some day. The rams are shot at 500 meters, off hand. 10 rams knocked down in a string is reasonably common. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:20:17 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How about off-hand with iron sights? Better be a big ass target  +1 I tried it. The front sight blade covers a man size target at 400yds  "frame hold" was my friend....  |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:21:48 AM EDT
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It took me 3 shots to hit a prairie dog at 497, in what I estimated to be 18mph wind. Only the first wouldn't have hit a man sized target. Of course this was from a rest. I'm dubious of my ability to hit a man sized target at that range in anything but prone supported with a sling, or from a rest. Pretty good shot with that much wind. Were you able to see the impact of shot #1? Yes, if I hadn't it would have taken more than 3 shots for sure. First landed high left by about 2 feet, over compensating for both range and the wind. Second shot hit directly behind, and the third impacted. I just used my reticle to compensate after the first shot since I didn't want to take the time to dial and have him drop into his hole again. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:22:14 AM EDT
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Maybe 4. I was getting torso-sized groups at 500 with an iron-sighted Spanish Mauser carbine, with WWI-era tiny-assed sights. With an A1 or A2, it'd be simple; with a .308, very easy as well––-I did it with irons, with a scope shouldn't be an issue.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:24:57 AM EDT
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My practice range:
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:25:41 AM EDT
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Wow, I don't know what ranges you all shoot at but here at my range most guys can't hit shit past 200 yards. I shoot CMP matches and 200 yards with a service rifle is a challenge but not hard with good practice. 500 yards off a bench or prone maybe on a good day with no wind. 500 yards with a properly set-up gun with an optic yes, people who say they can get consistent hits at 300 plus yards offhand with a service rifle are full of shit.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:25:46 AM EDT
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How about off-hand with iron sights? Too far to do with any real probability, I'd say. 200 is not bad with good gear. Irons are fine at 500, 600. Offhand at 500? Too far. When you say offhand, I am thinking standing, unsupported. Yeah, I'd be really interested to see video of someone getting regular hits at 500 yards from the standing. Go watch a high power silhouette match some day. The rams are shot at 500 meters, off hand. 10 rams knocked down in a string is reasonably common. I just went and looked it up. That's pretty darned cool. I had no idea folks were pulling that off with success. And to see people embrace offhand, instead of grinding through it to get to the good stuff is just weird and cool as hell. Thanks. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:26:28 AM EDT
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The farthest shot I've ever taken was a laser ranged 423m at a LaRue reduced size silouhette. There was very little wind so I put the 400m line of my ACOG a bit higher than center mass and squeezed. The first shot hit so I moved on to engage the rest of the targets on the stage. I don't know how many hits I could have made with, say 30 rounds but based on the group size with the ammo I was using, I feel confident it would be more often than not.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:30:08 AM EDT
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Slinged up and prone with good rifle and ammo 500 yards is no big deal. Hi power shooters do it all the time. 600 yard relay is a standard part of the course. Standing? Very very few. For most at that range its more a matter of luck than anything else.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:32:27 AM EDT
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Farthest was a 125yd with 10/22 on a GH one shot. When in basic qual was out to 500 and i passed that
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:32:51 AM EDT
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i killed a ground hog at 882y, 1/2 mile last year with a 60gr 223... and a 720y this year with a 87gr 243wssm
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:33:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: I shoot 6" square plates at 500yd with my 16" .308AR with a 3-9x AR-IV scope, I can usually keep 8-9 out of 10 on target. http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/devtucker/308/0822091559-1.jpg That's impressive! |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:34:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:34:42 AM EDT
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Wow, I don't know what ranges you all shoot at but here at my range most guys can't hit shit past 200 yards. I shoot CMP matches and 200 yards with a service rifle is a challenge but not hard with good practice. 500 yards off a bench or prone maybe on a good day with no wind. 500 yards with a properly set-up gun with an optic yes, people who say they can get consistent hits at 300 plus yards offhand with a service rifle are full of shit. I can get consistent hits, prone with a sling, at 400 yards, with a 70 year old Enfield Mk4 and you don't think there are people who can do it with a modern service rifle? We're all full of shit?
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:40:42 AM EDT
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Wow, I don't know what ranges you all shoot at but here at my range most guys can't hit shit past 200 yards. I shoot CMP matches and 200 yards with a service rifle is a challenge but not hard with good practice. 500 yards off a bench or prone maybe on a good day with no wind. 500 yards with a properly set-up gun with an optic yes, people who say they can get consistent hits at 300 plus yards offhand with a service rifle are full of shit. http://www.usmcweapons.com/articles/m16/m16%20Qual/currentcourse/currentm16qual.html 
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:45:53 AM EDT
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people who say they can get consistent hits at 300 plus yards offhand with a service rifle are full of shit. On a man sized target? Guess I'm full of shit. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:48:51 AM EDT
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I shoot 6" square plates at 500yd with my 16" .308AR with a 3-9x AR-IV scope, I can usually keep 8-9 out of 10 on target. http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/devtucker/308/0822091559-1.jpg That's impressive! Only if it's not windy
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:50:38 AM EDT
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How about off-hand with iron sights? Better be a big ass target +1 I tried it. The front sight blade covers a man size target at 400yds "frame hold" was my friend....
Yup, line up the front sight post with the outside of the target frame boxed around the top and sides, you should be hitting center mass-ish if you're doped correctly. *ETA* I Learned that little trick in late summer 1987 at Charlie Range, Camp Pendleton. I was not getting it until my buddy next to me told me about it, then I had a "DOYYYYYYYY" moment and felt like an idiot. I shot much better though and PMI SSgt. Burgess did not have to destroy me for being a [gigantic samoan man with accent]fahkt up shootah[/gigantic samoan man with accent] 
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:51:00 AM EDT
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Wow, I don't know what ranges you all shoot at but here at my range most guys can't hit shit past 200 yards. I shoot CMP matches and 200 yards with a service rifle is a challenge but not hard with good practice. 500 yards off a bench or prone maybe on a good day with no wind. 500 yards with a properly set-up gun with an optic yes, people who say they can get consistent hits at 300 plus yards offhand with a service rifle are full of shit. I don't think that's what most said... USMC KD course IIRC 200m - 15 rds in 20 mins (5 offhand, 5 kneeling, 5 sitting) / 10rds in 70 sec (standing to sitting with mag change) 300m - 5 rds in 5 mins (kneeling) / 10 rds in 70 secs (standing to prone with a mag change) 500m - 10rds in 10 mis (all prone) I actually scored more consistently at 500m because of the stability of the platform... The Match course, again IIRC (SgtHoskins correct me if wrong)
200m - 10rds in 10mins (all offhand) / 10rds in 70 sec (standing to sitting with mag change) 300m - 10rds in 10mins (kneeling?) / 10rds in 70 sec (standing to prone with a mag change) 500m - 20rds in 20mins (all prone) ETA: all of this was with iron sights too ... |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:52:36 AM EDT
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At 300 yards, your typical .223 round is at the mercy of both the wind and gravity. At 500 yards with an AR I'd say that it's challenging. 500 yards with a good .308 bolt gun is doable. However, at 400 yards the .308 also starts dropping like a stone. I don't care what people say, having the skill to be reliably hit a man or game sized target at 500 yards or further takes great skill and practice, and should be considered an a worthy achievement. This is the truth. I bet most of the people here would have a hard time making even a 3rd round hit in anything other than the most ideal conditions. Are you even serious? I wondered that too. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:54:24 AM EDT
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At 300 yards, your typical .223 round is at the mercy of both the wind and gravity. At 500 yards with an AR I'd say that it's challenging. 500 yards with a good .308 bolt gun is doable. However, at 400 yards the .308 also starts dropping like a stone. I don't care what people say, having the skill to be reliably hit a man or game sized target at 500 yards or further takes great skill and practice, and should be considered an a worthy achievement. This is the truth. I bet most of the people here would have a hard time making even a 3rd round hit in anything other than the most ideal conditions. It is no geat feat with irons on a 20" AR to hit consistently a man sized target if you are laying prone and have practiced working up to that range. When I qualed, 500 yards was my money line to get points, I would rarely not get max points or very close to it. The first time you stand back there you might be thinking to yourself, holy shit, I can barely see the blur of the target, but it all works out if you apply everything you learned as you progress to that distance. The Marine Corps KD course is an eye opener for many on how applying basic marksmanship skills leads to hits at various distances. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:56:19 AM EDT
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I used to shoot my mauser with 1950's surplus turkish ammo at the metal gong at 500 yds. Iron sighted.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:56:38 AM EDT
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It's pretty easy with a proper gun and a modicum of skill. QFT. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:58:31 AM EDT
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Not as easy as the super model dating, 6 figure income commandos of ARFCom will have you believe, but it doesn't require magic or some insane level of skill either.
Just practice, and getting accustomed to reading the wind. That, and access to a 500 yard range, which I don't have 
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:59:10 AM EDT
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Basic marksmanship that's taught to every recruit at Parris Island and San Diego. It was not unusual for me to get 10 out of 10 from the 500 yard line on the KD course.
You have to know the dope on your rifle sights, then be able to adjust from your BZO to 500 and adjust for wind. After that it's just BRASSF. Breathe Relax Aim Stop Squeeze Follow through |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:59:23 AM EDT
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500 yards with a 20" AR? With optics, if the rifle is well zeroed it's not all that difficult if you shoot regularly and have any semblance of form. The kicker is if you can tell where that first shot lands and if the wind is consistent. Prone or bench with irons? plenty of folks can do it, but the width of a standard front post is going to make that pretty tough (at least a lot tougher than with a decent optic). I don't think I could do it consistently (better if I shot more often). At that range wind drift and drop are significant with 5.56 ammo. Standing with irons? I wouldn't trust myself to do it.. I might get lucky, but I probably couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at that range.
.308 bolt gun? Just a couple of feet of drop (my guess at "Kentucky elevation", I'm no balistics expert, just a guy who's put a few downrange) and a lot better behavior vs wind. That shouldn't be too hard at all if the zero is good on your rifle. ETA: much tougher if the target is moving
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:09:26 AM EDT
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people who say they can get consistent hits at 300 plus yards offhand with a service rifle are full of shit. On a man sized target? Guess I'm full of shit. I'd say P100 means you might know what you're talking about here. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:12:09 AM EDT
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500 yards, wind is full value.
Make your wind call, adjust rear sight aperture accordingly. 
Relax and put rounds in the 10 ring all day with a plain service rifle with plain ammunition. I make no claims of grandeur, I just apply the fundamentals as they were taught and get consistent hits. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:15:59 AM EDT
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If I can do this at 600 yards, 500 is just 30 or so inches lower.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:17:17 AM EDT
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4x fig 11 man sized targets.
1000yds 24 ex 24 Final 4 in 20secs |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:17:24 AM EDT
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One, to get a read of the wind. This, at most. Wind reading is your friend. Concur. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:26:42 AM EDT
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A2 iron sights in the prone? All day long. I loved the 500 yard line. Just make your wind call and go to town.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:36:07 AM EDT
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500 yards is where rifle shooting really gets fun. You guys that look down on highpower competition are missing out.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:37:17 AM EDT
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At 300 yards, your typical .223 round is at the mercy of both the wind and gravity. At 500 yards with an AR I'd say that it's challenging. 500 yards with a good .308 bolt gun is doable. However, at 400 yards the .308 also starts dropping like a stone. I don't care what people say, having the skill to be reliably hit a man or game sized target at 500 yards or further takes great skill and practice, and should be considered an a worthy achievement. No it really doesn't. When I shot service rifle I typically dumped 28-30 rounds during ITT matches ( AKA "rattle battle" ) with 50 second exposures at 500 and 600 yards and was pretty pissed with myself if I had more than one or two misses on the E type silhouette. I actually disliked shooting the "dog" target from sitting at 300 more than prone at 600. Of course –– the coach made the wind call so that wasn't my problem other than early in the season when I zeroed the rifle. Still –– it was usually at most one or two shots to hit the silhouette and usually just a second or third to walk it solidly into the "chest" region. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:45:57 AM EDT
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How many rounds would you have to shoot for practice to be able to hit a man sized target at 500 yards with, say, a 20'' bbl AR.? What about a .308 bolt gun with a decent scope? I've only shot out to 100 yards. Edit: Haven't shot an AR, all I can afford for now is my shotgun and unconverted Saiga. Depends on the person. It's mostly about understanding and compensating for drop and wind. You could learn the theory by reading a book. How long it takes you to put that into practice is up to you. The rifle is secondary, but if it fires more of a "pattern" than a "group", you may as well give it up and get a different gun. A few days ago someone posted a picture of a target from 200yds, and the bullets were scattered around about 8". Don't know if that was him or the rifle, but I'll charitably assume it was the rifle. 4moa isn't going to be all that useful at 500yds. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:52:10 AM EDT
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Lobbing in .22LR at 200 yards is fun as well. yes it is, I love ringing my 5" plate at 150-300 yds with my 10/22. I love seeing the vapor trail arc up and the bullet just falls into the plate 
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:55:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:55:24 AM EDT
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people who say they can get consistent hits at 300 plus yards offhand with a service rifle are full of shit. On a man sized target? Guess I'm full of shit. I don't think someone realizes that the ten ring on the 200yd SR target used for offhand stages in High Power is 7" in diameter. The E type silhouette is more like a foot and a half wide by about 3 feet or so tall. I think a guy with a distinguished badge can handle it. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:57:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2011 12:04:29 PM EDT
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It took me 3 shots to hit a prairie dog at 497, in what I estimated to be 18mph wind. Only the first wouldn't have hit a man sized target. Of course this was from a rest. I'm dubious of my ability to hit a man sized target at that range in anything but prone supported with a sling, or from a rest. I've found about 450-500-ish to be the reach of a 5.56 with any reliability on PDs . Beyond that and you'll usually have a near miss that makes him duck before you can get a solid hit. With .308, 700+ is doable, the hardest part is finding the little guy in the optic, and that's using a Nightforce that I can see the rings of Saturn with. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 12:05:42 PM EDT
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I don't believe you understand how this works.
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