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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:47:55 AM EDT
Palmetto State Armory has partnered with Innovative Arms of Elgin, SC to bring to market the W.A.R upper receiver. The upper will be on display at the 2012 SHOT show and will be available exclusively through Palmetto State Armory.
The W.A.R. is Innovative Arms patent pending upper receiver, created for direct impingement AR15/M16 rifles. Designed to give extreme advantages to the operator, every detriment of suppressed firing of these rifles is now virtually eliminated. Switching to the suppressed mode of your W.A.R. upper turns your weapon into a new beast. Turning to the suppressed mode from unsuppressed, you will immediately feel your rifle shooting smoother. The “blow back” in your face is almost non existent. No more burning eyes and choking gas. Your weapon has now become an average of 2 -2.5 DB quieter at the shooters ear with Innovative Arms silencers or other quality silencer brands. Your weapon will not only be shooting quieter but also cleaner. With less fouling and heat, the accelerated wear and tear that was once a standard issue is now a non-issue, giving your suppressed Black Rifle the longevity it deserves. The W.A.R. is designed for the modern Warfighter and is to be fired only in conjunction with quality 5.56mm ammunition. 
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:50:51 AM EDT
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OK, Im in, where do I sign, but first we have to get them legalized in my state..
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:51:44 AM EDT
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Cost?
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:54:14 AM EDT
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How much?
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:54:52 AM EDT
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Interesting. Is there a link to how it works?
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:55:05 AM EDT
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Am I missing something? Only 2-2.5 dB quieter? That's not significant at all...
NVM: I see that they mean 2-2.5 dB quieter when used with a suppressor. That brings the % up a bit. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:55:45 AM EDT
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The receiver with forward assist, dust cover, WAR mechanism and gas tube will be $260. We will be offering it as an upgrade on our uppers when you purchase them.
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:55:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:56:17 AM EDT
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W.A.R. Kittens!?!?!?
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:56:24 AM EDT
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game changa
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:56:24 AM EDT
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What exactly does it do? Adjust the gas system? How?
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:56:45 AM EDT
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Wow, that sounds like a badass concept.
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:57:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: Am I missing something? Only 2-2.5 dB quieter? That's not significant at all... I think that is an extra 2-2.5 over what the can already covers. Not to mention no blowback. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:57:06 AM EDT
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Details on what exactly is happening when switched to suppressed mode, please?
I'm interested and yet skeptical? Trying to understand the trade offs. Thx. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:57:06 AM EDT
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It was designed to elimate the blowback that is encountered while firing suppressed. It does this very well. A side benefit is that it adds an additional 2-2.5 in DB reduction to the suppressor that you are using.
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:57:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: Am I missing something? Only 2-2.5 dB quieter? That's not significant at all... That was my thought as well. I'm no sound expert but that doesn't seem like it would be worth it. Edit: question answered above |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:57:38 AM EDT
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Am I missing something? Only 2-2.5 dB quieter? That's not significant at all... I think the bigger improvement is wrt gas in one's face. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:00:31 AM EDT
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It was designed to elimate the blowback that is encountered while firing suppressed. It does this very well. A side benefit is that it adds an additional 2-2.5 in DB reduction to the suppressor that you are using. Quoted:
Am I missing something? Only 2-2.5 dB quieter? That's not significant at all... I glossed over the "in addition to using a suppressor" part. That changes the percentage of additional suppression a bit. Sounds like a good product! |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:01:04 AM EDT
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A supressing xlass3 receiver?
Sounds legally tricky. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:01:04 AM EDT
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It was designed to elimate the blowback that is encountered while firing suppressed. It does this very well. A side benefit is that it adds an additional 2-2.5 in DB reduction to the suppressor that you are using. Quoted:
Am I missing something? Only 2-2.5 dB quieter? That's not significant at all... Uh, if the upper has a toggleable setting that reduces the report of firing by greater than 1 dB, isn't it at risk of being categorized as a suppressor itself? Will it need a separate Form 1 even without a suppressor, or am I misunderstanding something? |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:01:15 AM EDT
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Awesome Jamin!!!
I was just at those uppers the other day. Keep rockin, Bro Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:08:16 AM EDT
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The additional DB reduction is a major reduction in action noise to the user. There is no additional reduction of DB at the muzzle.
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It was designed to elimate the blowback that is encountered while firing suppressed. It does this very well. A side benefit is that it adds an additional 2-2.5 in DB reduction to the suppressor that you are using. Quoted:
Am I missing something? Only 2-2.5 dB quieter? That's not significant at all... Uh, if the upper has a toggleable setting that reduces the report of firing by greater than 1 dB, isn't it at risk of being categorized as a suppressor itself? Will it need a separate Form 1 even without a suppressor, or am I misunderstanding something? |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:33:58 AM EDT
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A supressing xlass3 receiver? Sounds legally tricky. What are you talking about? |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:38:49 AM EDT
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A supressing xlass3 receiver? Sounds legally tricky. What are you talking about? the upper itself does some suppressing, he is wondering if that makes it a class 3 item in and of itself |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:39:48 AM EDT
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Now, I'm not a dumb guy, but I don't get it.
 
Aside from manually putting the suppressor on and taking it off, exactly was is meant by toggling back and forth between using the suppressor and not using it??? 
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:40:29 AM EDT
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Did I miss what the acronym stands for?
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:41:29 AM EDT
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Now, I'm not a dumb guy, but I don't get it.
Aside from manually putting the suppressor on and taking it off, exactly was is meant by toggling back and forth between using the suppressor and not using it??? It has a gas regulator switch on the receiver (i assume). Kinda like a fal adjustable gas nut, but different. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:43:59 AM EDT
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I will gladly review it for you. Please IM me and we can sort out the shipping details.
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:45:49 AM EDT
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A supressing xlass3 receiver? Sounds legally tricky. What are you talking about? the upper itself does some suppressing, he is wondering if that makes it a class 3 item in and of itself Only in conjunction with a suppressor, so its a non-issue. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:46:52 AM EDT
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How does this account for different barrel lengths, gas port sizes, and other things that affect operating the ar15 while suppressed?
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:47:22 AM EDT
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A supressing xlass3 receiver? Sounds legally tricky. What are you talking about? the upper itself does some suppressing, he is wondering if that makes it a class 3 item in and of itself Only in conjunction with a suppressor, so its a non-issue. I don't have much faith in the ATF's judgement process. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:47:54 AM EDT
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cool
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:50:02 AM EDT
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A supressing xlass3 receiver? Sounds legally tricky. What are you talking about? the upper itself does some suppressing, he is wondering if that makes it a class 3 item in and of itself The upper doesn't suppress like a silencer does, it's a misnomer. It's just limiting the excess amount of gas that would normally be vented out of the bolt carrier while shooting suppressed. So the muzzle db's remain unchanged while the db's at the shooters ear are lower because less gas is being vented by your ear. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:50:12 AM EDT
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A supressing xlass3 receiver? Sounds legally tricky. What are you talking about? the upper itself does some suppressing, he is wondering if that makes it a class 3 item in and of itself Only in conjunction with a suppressor, so its a non-issue. I don't have much faith in the ATF's judgement process. Well that's true. Hopefully they're too busy dealing with their institutional fuck up to worry about this.
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Posted: 1/16/2012 10:31:48 AM EDT
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A supressing xlass3 receiver? Sounds legally tricky. What are you talking about? the upper itself does some suppressing, he is wondering if that makes it a class 3 item in and of itself Only in conjunction with a suppressor, so its a non-issue. I don't have much faith in the ATF's judgement process. Nothing in the OP says that it suppresses any sound without a suppressor. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 10:36:46 AM EDT
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Looks like a gas regulator is built into the upper.
Hence the funny knob thingy (that is what she said) in the second picture. Cool idea BTW Edited to add : totally want to buy one and call it the war pig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbxfe7DMxVo Funny knob thingy
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Posted: 1/16/2012 10:40:59 AM EDT
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Damnit. I'd need 3 of these.
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Posted: 1/16/2012 10:41:26 AM EDT
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Am I missing something? Only 2-2.5 dB quieter? That's not significant at all... NVM: I see that they mean 2-2.5 dB quieter when used with a suppressor. That brings the % up a bit. It's more than you would think. dB is a logarithmic scale, not a linear scale. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 10:42:11 AM EDT
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that's pretty cool. I might need to purchase a suppressor now
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Posted: 1/16/2012 10:43:10 AM EDT
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Interesting, I just saw this on your FB page and came here...
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Posted: 1/16/2012 10:56:28 AM EDT
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Guys from what i get this will work great for those with suppressors because the gas will no go to back area buy the charing handle and blow ammonia and other crap in your face while you shoot. Many shooters have to buy an expensive $80 charing handle to do this same thing and it doesnt always work for everyone. The added bonus is that this will be you an extra 2.5db sound reduction with a supressor.
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Posted: 1/16/2012 10:56:40 AM EDT
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Am I missing something? Only 2-2.5 dB quieter? That's not significant at all... NVM: I see that they mean 2-2.5 dB quieter when used with a suppressor. That brings the % up a bit. It's more than you would think. dB is a logarithmic scale, not a linear scale. Yep, dB isn't as easy to understand, that is a pretty serious difference if its true. Not that I doubt PSA at all, I have 3 lowers and an LPK kit from then. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 11:06:38 AM EDT
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I bet it's just a butterfly valve in a gas tube.
With all the worry of KAC's proprietary SR15 parts, I'm surprised at the open mindedness of everyone in this thread. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 11:08:31 AM EDT
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Interested. Would like to know about retrofits.
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Posted: 1/16/2012 11:11:16 AM EDT
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awesome, I've been wondering when these would come out.
I found the thread in the suppressor section about from awhile ago: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_20/345158_W_A_R__WarFighter_Adjustable_Receiver__tm_.html Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0kEl4KHjnk |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 11:13:43 AM EDT
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Want
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Posted: 1/16/2012 11:14:14 AM EDT
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Tag for later
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Posted: 1/16/2012 11:15:11 AM EDT
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Am I missing something? Only 2-2.5 dB quieter? That's not significant at all... NVM: I see that they mean 2-2.5 dB quieter when used with a suppressor. That brings the % up a bit. It's more than you would think. dB is a logarithmic scale, not a linear scale. I understand that. However, 2-2.5 dB off an non-suppressed rifle doesn't amount to much. I overlooked the "in conjunction with a suppressor" part of that sentence. 2.5 dB in addition to 30-40 dB of reduction is more significant. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 11:19:17 AM EDT
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Am buying!
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Posted: 1/16/2012 11:30:04 AM EDT
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Interesting.
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Posted: 1/16/2012 11:30:38 AM EDT
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Not to crap in PSA's thread (I like PSA), but isn't this pretty much the same thing as the Noveske switchblock that has been out for years? Looks like they just moved the gas regulation valve to the near end of the gas tube, instead of in the gas block, probably to avoid infringing on Noveske's design?
The switchblock's track record should answer the legality question, and PSA's option seems more economical than the Noveske. |
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