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Posted: 9/13/2012 7:47:57 PM EDT
I am debating on another forum that consanguinity is a huge problem for islamic populations regarding the disintegration of their societies due to mental health and birth defects. That and the fact that they have very lax attitudes towards bestiality. Got a bunch of data on both these, but can anyone else chime in, especially anyone who has served over there?
![]() To determine the prevalence of consanguineous marriages and estimate the effects of consanguinity on reproductive behaviour and mortality, household and hospital-based surveys were conducted in 11 cities in the Pakistan province of Punjab between 1979 and 1985. The 9520 women interviewed reported 44,474 pregnancies, with data collected on maternal and paternal ages at marriage, abortions/miscarriages, stillbirths and deaths in the first month, at 2-12 months and 2-8/10 years. Six categories of consanguineous marriage were included: double first cousin, first cousin, first cousin once removed/double second cousin, second cousin, bradari (brotherhood) and non-consanguineous. Marriages contracted between spouses related as second cousins or closer accounted for 50.3% of the total, equivalent to an average coefficient of kinship (alpha = sigma piFi) of 0.0280. Unions between close biological relatives were characterized by younger maternal and paternal ages at marriage and reduced spousal age difference, but a longer time to first delivery. Overall, they exhibited greater fertility than non-consanguineous couples. Antenatal and postnatal mortality were assessed by consanguinity and age interval. Consanguinity-associated deaths were consistently higher in the neonatal, infant and childhood periods. The consequences of these outcomes on the health of the present and future generations is assessed. Biomedical Sciences Division, King's College, University of London, UK. Click To View Spoiler Commentary of Imam Al-Nawawi on the Hadith The saying of the prophet – peace be upon him- ‘When he sits between a her fours parts) mostly its home animal (shu’biha Al-arba) and has intercourse with her then fatigues her’ In another narration the word ‘Ashu’biha’ is used. The scholars have disagreed about the intended meaning of ‘shu’biha Al-arba’ (the fours) for some said that it means the arms and the legs, while others have said that it refers to the legs and thighs, and other said it means the legs and the edge of the pubic area. Al-Qadi Ayad chose the meaning of the four areas surrounding the vagina. The word (Shu’b) means areas, its singular form being (Shu’bah). As for those who say (Ashba’iha) that is the plural of the word (Shu’b). The word Aj-hada-ha (fatigue her) means to plow her, which was also stated by Al-Khatabi. Others have said it means to make her reach exhaustion as in the phrase ‘she made him toil and labor till he was exhausted’. Al-Qadi Ayad – may Allah rest his soul- said ‘Primarily, the word (Jahada’ha) means that the man exerted his effort working in a woman, where the word (Juh’d) means energy and refers to motion by describing the type of work. This is similar to his (the prophet) saying ‘he who plowed her’ meaning he who penetrated her by his motion. Otherwise, what other fatigue could a man experience because of her, and Allah knows best. The meaning of the hadith is that the necessity to wash is not limited to when semen is ejaculated, rather it is when the penile head (Hash-fa, lit. "the head of the male member,” i.e. head of the penis) penetrates the vagina, then it is necessary for the man and the woman to wash. There is no disagreement on this today, even though there was disagreement on this by some of the early companions and others later. However, an agreement was later reached and this is what we have shown and presented previously. Our companions have said that if the penile head has penetrated a woman's anus, or a man's anus, or an animal's vagina or its anus then it is necessary to wash whether the one being penetrated is alive or dead, young or old, whether it was done intentionally or absentmindedly, whether it was done willfully or forcefully. This also applies if the woman places the male member inside her while the man is asleep, whether the penis is erect or not, whether the penis is circumcised or uncircumcised. All these situations require that the person committing the act and the one the act is committed on must wash themselves, unless the person committing the act or the person the act is committed on is a young male or female. In that case it cannot be said that the person must wash, for they do not have the responsibility, rather it is said that this person is in a state of impurity. If that person can discern (the sexual act) then his guardian can command him to wash just as he commands him to perform the ablution washing for prayers. For if he prays without washing, his prayer has not been performed correctly; likewise if he doesn’t wash after he reaches puberty he must be forced to wash. If he washed as a youth and then reaches puberty, then he does not have to repeat the washing. Our companions have said that intercourse occurs when a healthy male’s penile head completely penetrates (an orifice), as has been unanimously agreed. Thus, when the penile head has completely disappeared (inside the orifice), then all the regulations concerning washing apply. It is unanimously agreed that it is not necessary that the entire penile shaft penetrate to apply the regulations of washing. If part of the penile head penetrates, then the regulations of washing are not imposed as is agreed, except by an odd few of our companions who said that even in this case all the regulations of washing apply. However, this opinion is wrong, rejected and abandoned. If the male member was severed and what remained was less than the length of the penile head, then none of the washing regulations apply. If the part remaining was equal in length to the penile head length then that part must completely penetrate for the regulation of washing to apply. If the part remaining was greater in length to the penile head length then there are two famous opinions for our companions. The most correct is that if the portion that penetrates is equal to the length of the penile head, then the regulations for washing apply. The other opinion is that none of the regulations for washing apply until the entire remaining length of the penile shaft completely penetrates and Allah knows best. If a man wraps a sheath around his male member and then ejaculates inside a woman’s vagina, then there are three opinions from our companions. The most famous is that the man must wash. The second is that he does not have to wash because he ejaculated inside the sheath. The third is that if the sheath is thick and prevents climax and wetness (in the vagina) then washing is not necessary, otherwise it is necessary and Allah knows best. If a woman inserts (in her vagina) an animal's penis she must wash, and if she inserts a detached penis (thakaran maktu-an, lit. "a severed male member”) there are two opinions; the most correct is that she must wash. http://hadith.al-islam.com/Loader.aspx?pageid=261 Some Islamic scholars have ruled that bestiality does not invalidate the hajj or ones fast. Sunni Imam Abu Bakar al-Kashani (d. 587 H) records in his authority work 'Badaye al-Sanae' Volume 2 page 216: "If he had sexual intercourse with an animal, that will not make his hajj void"[16] In Fatawa Qadhi Khan, Page 820, the learned Hanafi scholar Allamah Hassan bin Mansoor Qadhi Khan sets out those acts that do not invalidate one's fast, and he includes: "Sex with animals, dead people and masturbation, does not invalidate one's fast provided ejaculation does not occur"[16] Fatawa Qadhi Khan, Page 820 http://www.wikiislam.net/w/uploads/2/2e/Fatawa_Qadhi_Khan%2C_Page_820.jpg Others have said it is halal. http://www.wikiislam.net/w/uploads/d/dc/Sistani-fatwa.jpg Sex with animals before the mission (Islam) was wide spread and many narrations are narrated that it is halal but makrooh (disliked). And on the compulsory precaution one should abandon this practice that may cause self harm. And you must admit this to the owner of the sheep and pay the owner.[17] Guess ARFcom doesnt let me copy paste arabic ![]() |
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I predict this thread will go over as well as... A thread about beastiality and consanguinity would.
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They love some sheep ass.
They also think woman are for breeding and little boys are for pleasure. |
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Quoted: Uhhh...what is consanguinity? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Intertwined blood lines. Latin is dead yet alive. |
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It's relationship by blood (or common ancestor). In other words, OP is suggesting that there are mental issues/birth defects due to incest and inbreeding (siblings/half-siblings/first cousins).
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So, you're using the technical term for inbred?
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Quoted: They love some sheep ass. They also think woman are for breeding and little boys are for pleasure. Yes. Thursdays were a BITCH to schedule meetings on ![]() |
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Quoted: So, you're using the technical term for inbred? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile well we got to keep it classy here in GD. We are not a bunch of inbred goat fuckers afterall (well at least north of the mason dixie line that is) ![]() |
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I like how you call it "consanguinity" instead of inbreeding.
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So, you're using the technical term for inbred? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile well we got to keep it classy here in GD. We are not a bunch of inbred goat fuckers afterall (well at least north of the mason dixie line that is) ![]() Now looky here, mister, we don't go for all that fancy-talkin' and book-larnin'........................ ![]() LC |
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Happens here in the US. I know of a Lebanese guy married to his uncles daughter
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why the fuck have they put so much thought into this shit and what the flying fuck is wrong with them
![]() "If a woman inserts (in her vagina) an animal's penis she must wash, and if she inserts a detached penis (thakaran maktu-an, lit. "a severed male member”) there are two opinions; the most correct is that she must wash." "Some Islamic scholars have ruled that bestiality does not invalidate the hajj or ones fast. Sunni Imam Abu Bakar al-Kashani (d. 587 H) records in his authority work 'Badaye al-Sanae' Volume 2 page 216: "If he had sexual intercourse with an animal, that will not make his hajj void"[16] In Fatawa Qadhi Khan, Page 820, the learned Hanafi scholar Allamah Hassan bin Mansoor Qadhi Khan sets out those acts that do not invalidate one's fast, and he includes: "Sex with animals, dead people and masturbation, does not invalidate one's fast provided ejaculation does not occur"[16] Fatawa Qadhi Khan, Page 820" |
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Quoted: why the fuck have they put so much thought into this shit and what the flying fuck is wrong with them ![]() "If a woman inserts (in her vagina) an animal's penis she must wash, and if she inserts a detached penis (thakaran maktu-an, lit. "a severed male member”) there are two opinions; the most correct is that she must wash." "Some Islamic scholars have ruled that bestiality does not invalidate the hajj or ones fast. Sunni Imam Abu Bakar al-Kashani (d. 587 H) records in his authority work 'Badaye al-Sanae' Volume 2 page 216: "If he had sexual intercourse with an animal, that will not make his hajj void"[16] In Fatawa Qadhi Khan, Page 820, the learned Hanafi scholar Allamah Hassan bin Mansoor Qadhi Khan sets out those acts that do not invalidate one's fast, and he includes: "Sex with animals, dead people and masturbation, does not invalidate one's fast provided ejaculation does not occur"[16] Fatawa Qadhi Khan, Page 820" Here is a world wide study on the issue. http://www.reproductive-health-journal.com/content/6/1/17 Socio-cultural factors, such as maintenance of family structure and property, ease of marital arrangements, better relations with in-laws, and financial advantages relating to dowry seem to play a crucial role in the preference of consanguinity in Arab populations [3]. Consanguineous marriages are generally thought to be more stable than marriages between non-relatives, though there are no studies to compare divorce rates of consanguineous and non-consanguineous marriages among Arabs. It is generally believed that the husband's family would side with the consanguineous wife in marital disputes since she is considered part of the extended family. When there are children with disabilities, more family members share in caring for these children. Unlike what is thought, consanguinity in the Arab World is not only confined to Muslim communities. Several other communities, including the Lebanese, Jordanian, and Palestinian Christian populations, have also practiced consanguinity, but to a lesser extent than Muslims [4-7]. Consanguinity rates show wide variations among Arab countries, as well as within the same country (Table 1, Additional file 1). However, reports from Arab countries on consanguinity rates may sometimes include marriages between third cousins or far relatives within the consanguineous category. Although this discrepancy affects the total consanguinity rate, it does not markedly alter the average inbreeding coefficient. Therefore, for comparison of consanguinity rates among populations, two parameters are best used; the mean inbreeding coefficient (F) and marriages between first cousins. However, Arab societies have a long tradition of consanguinity, and the cumulative estimate of (F) may exceed the estimated value which is calculated for a single generation [8]. Secular changes in the consanguinity rates have been noticed in some Arab populations. In Jordan [9], Lebanon [5], Bahrain [10], and among Palestinians [11-13], the frequency of consanguineous marriage is decreasing. Several factors may be playing a role in decreasing the consanguinity rates in Arab countries. Amongst these factors are the increasing higher female education levels, the declining fertility resulting in lower numbers of suitable relatives to marry, more mobility from rural to urban settings, and the improving economic status of families. Moreover, genetic diseases may be feared more now that infectious diseases are on the decline as causes of severe morbidity and mortality. Generally, the highest rates of marriages to close relatives are consistently reported in the more traditional rural areas and among the poorest and least educated in society [8]. Reports from some Arab countries have shown that consanguinity rates are lower in urban when compared to rural settings. Urban to rural first cousin rates in Algeria were 10% and 15% [14], in Egypt, 8.3% and 17.2% [15], and in Jordan, 29.8% and 37.9% [6], respectively. Likewise the mean inbreeding coefficient was lower in urban as compared to rural settings in Syria (0.0203 versus 0.0265) [16]. In Jordan, it was evident that the higher the level of education of the female partner, the lower the consanguinity rate. Only 12% of university educated females would marry their first cousins, whereas 25% of university educated males tend to marry first cousins [6]. Similar trends of lower consanguinity rates among educated women, but not educated men, were noticed in Yemen [17] and Tunisia [18]. On the other hand, social, religious, cultural, political and economic factors still play roles in favoring consanguineous marriages among the new generations just as strongly as they did among the older generations, particularly in rural areas. Consanguinity rates seem to be increasing at a higher pace in Qatar [19], Yemen [17], the United Arab Emirates (UAE) [20], and Tlemcen in Algeria [14]. In Morocco, a study indicated an increasing consanguinity rate from the previous (21.5%) to the present (25.4%) generation [21], while another study indicated a decreasing consanguinity rate [22]. Consanguinity rates are not declining in some Arab countries because it is generally accepted that the social advantages of consanguinity outweigh the disadvantages [23], and consanguinity is regarded as a deeply rooted cultural trend. It is believed that the practice of consanguinity has significant social and economic advantages. Consanguineous marriages among Arabs are respected because it is thought that they promote family stability, simplify financial premarital negotiations, offer a greater compatibility between the spouses and other family members, offer a lesser risk of hidden financial and health issues, and maintain the family land possessions [3,24,25]. Among 390 women attending reproductive health clinics in Jordan, consanguinity was protective against violence during pregnancy [26]. In all cases, reports on secular trends in consanguinity need to be treated with some caution because in countries where consanguinity is favored, major regional and ethnic differences in prevalence are commonly observed [3]. |
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Quoted: Happens here in the US. I know of a Lebanese guy married to his uncles daughter ![]() This is why there is no saving the middle east. They are getting dumber and dumber. Hell dropping a nuke on them would probably clean up their gene pool. I think russians living near Chernobyl have less birth defects then those living in afghanistan. |
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just fucking gross.
they really go in to detail about what amount of penis may be inserted if the penis is severed but fucking dead and animals is ook as long as you don't bust a nut.... hmm Koran studies must be interesting. |
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From your approach it quickly becomes a chicken or the egg question. Are the crazy because they are muslim, or are they muslim because they are crazy? The issues are not as simple as you want to believe and correlation does not equate to causation. Education levels, societal stability, and many other factors are at work. Its my guess that if you give guys a shot at a bunch of different girls, their cousins and farm animals don't look as good to them.
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OP, go watch Ann Barnhardt's youtube videos on "Muslim Sexuality".
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Uhhh...what is consanguinity? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Intertwined blood lines. Latin is dead yet alive. That is not dead which can eternal lie. |
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An Iraqi civil servant I used to meet with told this story on himself to me when I asked him about his family. He said, "Yeah, one day my father caught me having sex with our donkey. He got very angry with me. Said if I had to do that kind of thing, he would find a wife for me. So he did and that is how I got married."
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Uhhh...what is consanguinity? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I didn't know either but I assumed it had something to do with two Japanese girls, a vending machine and a squid ![]() |
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Quoted: soooo in The whole head? Cause you'd have to wash, if so. ![]() |
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<––- 3 tours in Iraq flying ISR aircraft..... seen it twice.
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Every day we would catch dudes fucking goats, sheep, dogs, what ever. And I do mean EVERY DAY. Dudes hunched over their sheep out in the fields, in plain sight of everyone. There's a reason they stake by the head and one back foot. Hell, the sheep get so used to it after a while, they don't even put up a struggle any more. We caught a guy gay raping a male dog, giving it a hand job, and beating it with a stick while it was happening.
We caught a guy on a ladder fucking a camel once. Boys fucking other boys is very common. Men fucking boys is over the top. When you see a dude walking his son/ little brother in a dress with make up on to go to a "party" it makes you want to kill him on the spot. Bestiality and boy fucking are out of fucking control throughout the Muslim world. It isn't just in the ME. Thailand is eat up with it too in the southern provinces where the majority of their Muslim population is. Indonesia is down with it also. |
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Every day we would catch dudes fucking goats, sheep, dogs, what ever. And I do mean EVERY DAY. Dudes hunched over their sheep out in the fields, in plain sight of everyone. There's a reason they stake by the head and one back foot. Hell, the sheep get so used to it after a while, they don't even put up a struggle any more. We caught a guy gay raping a male dog, giving it a hand job, and beating it with a stick while it was happening. We caught a guy on a ladder fucking a camel once. Boys fucking other boys is very common. Men fucking boys is over the top. When you see a dude walking his son/ little brother in a dress with make up on to go to a "party" it makes you want to kill him on the spot. Bestiality and boy fucking are out of fucking control throughout the Muslim world. It isn't just in the ME. Thailand is eat up with it too in the southern provinces where the majority of their Muslim population is. Indonesia is down with it also. No wonder they're so effed in the head.... ![]() |
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Uhhh...what is consanguinity? "If anyone's going to have sex with my sister, it's going to be me!" |
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They love some sheep ass. They also think woman are for breeding and little boys are for pleasure. Yep. they'll stick their peepee into anything for fun except a woman. The vag terrifies them. |
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Every day we would catch dudes fucking goats, sheep, dogs, what ever. And I do mean EVERY DAY. Dudes hunched over their sheep out in the fields, in plain sight of everyone. There's a reason they stake by the head and one back foot. Hell, the sheep get so used to it after a while, they don't even put up a struggle any more. We caught a guy gay raping a male dog, giving it a hand job, and beating it with a stick while it was happening. We caught a guy on a ladder fucking a camel once. Boys fucking other boys is very common. Men fucking boys is over the top. When you see a dude walking his son/ little brother in a dress with make up on to go to a "party" it makes you want to kill him on the spot. Bestiality and boy fucking are out of fucking control throughout the Muslim world. It isn't just in the ME. Thailand is eat up with it too in the southern provinces where the majority of their Muslim population is. Indonesia is down with it also. All true. I was scanning my sector one night with the thermals and happened to see movement out behind this "fence". A guy hops the "fence" to where some sheep were penned, flips his man dress up, then goes to town on one of the sheep. That was the first time in my life I actually saw someone having sex with an animal, until then I thought it was always a sick joke. Its no joke. I saw it again between a boy and a donkey. He waved to us as we drove by, never even stopped or tried to hide it. |
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It's 20-50 percent in Turkey? That's complete bullshit. Why are you ashamed of me 36_Gauge?? http://www.lossiantiik.ee/2009/k09-01-13-77.jpg That's hot |
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It's 20-50 percent in Turkey? That's complete bullshit. Why are you ashamed of me 36_Gauge?? http://www.lossiantiik.ee/2009/k09-01-13-77.jpg So a Marine, a Turk and a goat walk into a bar... ![]() |
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Sounds like they need to get some P&^%y. To bad their religious books make it a crime to get some.
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It's 20-50 percent in Turkey? That's complete bullshit. First, if you look at the color code, Turkey is in the 20-29 range. Second, I know you love your country...hell, I had a good six week deployment tere, had a lot of fun, but think clearly. You're saying that there's no way that even 20% of marriages there are at the cousin level? Are you certain? There's no rural, more traditional regions that might be skewing that rate higher than your experience tells you it ought to be? And, remember, we're not just talking about the first cousin level. Could be second, or further. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Sounds like they need to get some P&^%y. To bad their religious books make it a crime to get some. But its normal to bonk little boy and animals. Does anyone actually believe this? Seriously. This is the stupidest shit on par with "they worship a moon god". |
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Uhhh...what is consanguinity? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Intertwined blood lines. Latin is dead yet alive. LOL, thank you St Jerome. |
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It's 20-50 percent in Turkey? That's complete bullshit. So it's higher than that? |
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