Handcrank Gatling with hopper feed, chambered for 5.56, and with flash hiders and barrel shouds just to piss off Carolyn McCarthy.

I think you best buckle that seat belt kid!............done been through this shit!   .........your about too!  ain't perrty!

and yes! I know who ya are!

Keep writing your reps and posting in the comments section of the news stories regarding gun control..the only way we slow the swell is actively push back against it

yes indeed! cut some cash loose to the NRA also!  those folk's know who feed them come election time!

Fox news ..........just had some douchebag former "detective" on who said .223 travels are more than 3000 feet per second, and that Bushmaster .223s are fully automatic, that all you have to do is hold the trigger down and spray.

What. The. Fuck.

Saw that. Bo Dietl, Former NYPD detective.

 

Harry Reid is in the senate. Republicans own the house. Too many democrap senators are up for re-election in 2 years. There is still the fiscal cliff. If anything, the horse trade will be taxes on the rich to leave the guns alone.



Might get some mental illness regulations, might get mandatory training law( similar to hunter ed before buying a hunting license, maybe gun owner law and safety ed prior to being able to buy a gun, with a ten year renewal exam.

Interesting perspective from Karl Denninger.

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=214954



More at link above.

Another interesting snippet.

that boy was a load his momma should have swallowed!

cut it as best ya can! I'm figurin momma bought  all that shit for juniour there. 20 year olds don't have this shit!!

old man?

kid's on riddlin, lux whatever and other shit!  he's a mental basket! Autistic..............

REALLY good artical. Good read.

After the first one, the rest are free....

i couldn't agree more, we should think about how we adults better protect our kids, we need more people to have guns, and kill that bastard the moment he started shooting, all we adults failed those poor kids

I confess my ignorance.
Is this good or bad for us?

Reid is (supposedly) pro-gun; or at least not complicit in anti-gun maneuvering.  He's anti- everything else conservative as far as I know, though.  

Interesting wrinkle in the latest round of stories. The media is now drooling over the fact that the asshole's mom was a prepper/survivalist.

He is a politician first, he knows who butters his bread in Nevada. he brings home the bacon, makes sure there are the loopholes to let his rich boys keep getting rich while making it look like he is taxing the rich. He is rated rather well by the NRA, he knows gun control is a non starter.



 

Another good snippet from that article. One that you will NOT hear from the media.



ETA: IOW there WAS a citizen CCW that played a role in stopping the Portland mall shooting. Albiet, without firing a shot, but it appears that the brandishment may have caused the shooter to "end" his rampage early.

ETA2: Cite for above.  http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

well......someone bought that stuff!!  I suspect they know who did by now!

prepper/survivalist my ass. She got the guns so her sick shit 20 year old could play with them,

That's not what was reported.

agree 100%  keep shithead happy!...........where did that get her?   sadly other's to!

http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

Its happened before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kip_Kinkel

From the article...
"Kinkel had an interest in firearms and explosives from an early age. His father first denied this, but later enrolled him at gun safety courses, buying him a .22 caliber Long rifle and eventually a 9mm Glock handgun when Kip was 15. According to Kinkel, his psychologist, Jeffrey Hicks, told Bill Kinkel to "let Kip have the guns, for it will be a good outlet."[1]

The kid has a psychologist and recommends his father buys him a handgun at 15 ? You see where that got them, the kid killed both his parents and then shot up his school.

I would like to see a restriction on the Right to a Free Press. There are so many stories that they fuck the facts up. That they don't even give a shit anymore if they tell the truth.



So if my Right is going to be infringed I'm going to start infringing the Rights of some other Group.



Oh. And fuck the Politicians that have to line up at the mike there in the town to make their little speech to get their face time.





Ed

That really hurt.  Not as much as it is going to, but pretty bad.

Anyone see that the killers family was worth millions? This coupled with the fact that his mother was said to be a "doomsday prepper," does anyone think that the media reports of his weapon being full auto is plausible? I just thought of this while looking over some news stories. Seems like there is a chance he actually had a select fire/full auto ar15.

I thought he used pistols.

Contact your representatives at the State and Federal levels! Liberals and gun grabbers are on the move, its time we do the same thing.

http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

Just type in your ZIP code and click submit. It directs you to the forms to email and numbers to call. It will only take a minute.




You can use my written response if you like.

I highly doubt it.

Is there even pre 86 FA Bushmasters out there ?

doubt it.

Full auto lower/RDIAS/lightning link, with a bushmaster upper?

Don't see your point.
I had guns since I was 4. First handgun (of my own) at 7. My dad bought them for me.
I'm in my 40s now, and my dad is 78. No dead parents. My dad made me prep cases & reload if I said I was bored.
I'm going to raise my kids the same.

You can put an RLL or RDIAS in any AR. (Not that I buy that it was FA.)

I just got off the phone after briefing a GOP consultant on gun laws, he will be doing a TV interview Monday night. Love the guy, but he kept bringing up compromise and reasonable restrictions on magazines. He kept bringing up need. I felt like I was talking to a wall. He asked me to go on the air with him, but my current employer would likely not be keen on their corporate spokesman tearing the gun control lobby to shreds and coming off as not caring about 20 dead children.

Oh what I wouldn't give to do that show.

Are your kids going to a psychologist, or have personality problems, autism, or  Aspergers syndrome.


I bet your answer is NO.

I wish you could too.

No way.

Today’s shooting at an elementary school in Connecticut was a tragedy.  But it was a tragedy that could have been either entirely avoided or at least mitigated substantially.  How?  Well, it’s time to stop thinking of this as a political issue and to start thinking about this as a tactical, safety issue and apply some very straightforward logic.  To do this, we’re going to ask a 5th grader.  After all, who better to ask than a person representative of the victims targeted?

After he’d seen the news all over the TV, I simply asked my 5th grader how this tragedy could have been averted.  What could have been done differently? First, I presented him with a piece of paper and we drew a bad guy and a potential victim.  I labeled the location as a hardware store.




Then I told him to draw whatever he could think of that would have stopped the bad guy.  He drew this without a second’s hesitation:



Hmm.  He gave the store clerk a gun.  That, he said, leveled the playing field.  He said that the clerk would have had just as much chance of stopping the bad guy as the bad guy had of injuring or killing the store clerk.  Fair enough.  That fulfilled my request.

So, then I gave him this picture.  I merely changed the location.  I told him everything was the same, except now we’re at a school and instead of a store clerk, we had a principal sitting in his office.




He thought for a second and started to draw a gun in the principal’s hand.  I had to stop him.  I then explained that Connecticut had laws about guns that stated the following were gun-free zones (meaning no one could have a firearm at these locations):
•Schools
•Courts
•Churches

In typical 5th grader fashion, he argued, ‘But the bad guy just broke the law!’

I said, ‘I see that. But did it stop him?  He’s still there in the picture, right?’

‘Yes,’ he conceded.  ’Now what?’

I said, ‘That’s up to you.’  What can be done?’

‘Well, the principal can call the police; I’ll draw a phone….,’ he said.

‘Good idea!  How long will it take the police to get there compared to how fast that bad guy can shoot?’  I responded.

‘Arrgh! Okay….he can duck behind the desk….no….that won’t work; bullets could go through that and the bad guy could run around really fast.  A knife?  Not so good against a gun.  Arggh.’  Then silence.  ’I don’t know. I can’t think of anything else that will work!  A gun is tough to beat.  Everything I’m thinking ends up like this.’  And he drew the following:



‘And that’s what happened today at the school in Connecticut,’ I said.  So, then I asked him who those gun laws prohibiting firearms in schools, churches and courts protected.

‘Duh, mom….the BAD GUYS! They don’t care about laws. They weren’t going to follow them anyway.’

Are you smarter than a 5th grader?

We shall soon see if Governor Rick Snyder of Michigan is smarter than a 5th grader as he considers whether to sign SB-59, which essentially eliminates these ‘gun free zones’ or as my son calls them, ‘easy target zones.’   However, one thing of which Michigan citizens should be aware, we really do not have ‘gun free zones’ in Michigan.  These zones are merely concealed carry-free zones.

As my friend Rick Ector, of Rick’s Firearms Academy points out:

CPL (Concealed Pistol License)-Holders Carrying Guns in School: In Michigan, it’s going to happen regardless of whether Governor Snyder signs SB-59 or not. You see, a long time ago before our conceal carry license process became “shall issue,” we had a discretionary process. Under that system, each county could hand pick who they wanted to have conceal carry licenses. These “good” folks had an exemption written in law for them to carry in pistol-free zones, such as schools. Well, a funny thing thing happened about 11 years ago. The law was changed such that anybody who met the criteria could get one. The CPL law however designated made places, like schools, to be off-limits while concealed carrying. So, the only other way to carry in a place like a school was to do so openly – if you had a CPL. Long story short: if the governor does not sign the bill, CPL-holders can only carry guns in restricted areas, like schools, if they do so openly. It’s the law. If you don’t like it, call the governor and tell him to sign HB-59. If he does, we will have to get more training and hide them from your eyes so you’ll “feel” safe. True story.

The timing of this bill’s debate is certainly ironic in light of this horrible tragedy, but the fact remains, we must approach this problem from a tactical perspective.  There is no place for emotional reaction when it comes to our personal safety or the safety of our children.  As my 5th grader showed you, the answer to the problem is NOT to further disarm law-abiding citizens. Nothing about what this mass-murderer did was ‘law abiding’ and it is my understanding he didn’t buy the guns or own them.  He stole them (so he didn’t follow that no stealing law).  Then he shot their owner (and he didn’t follow that no killing law).  Then he proceeded to find targets that were the most vulnerable and ones that would put up no resistance and had no way to defend themselves.  This is what criminals do.  They prey on the weak and defenseless. They don’t follow laws!  So, what makes anyone think he’d have followed gun laws any  more than he did the laws against theft and murder?  They don’t and they won’t.  That’s why they’re called criminals.

Gun laws merely make it more difficult for those who are law-abiding to defend themselves against those who don’t care one bit about following the law. Criminals will ALWAYS find a way to accomplish their crimes, whether it is stealing, killing, raping or obtaining a firearm.

This seems to be almost universally true.



To further compound the problem, they know almost nothing about guns to begin with.



So not only do they know nothing about existing gun laws, they don't even know anything about the things they want to ban.



It's also pretty clear that news agencies don't retain firearms experts, which just compounds the problems they already have.



 

Bad facts make bad policy.

Be prepared for a lot of people offering bad facts over the next weeks.

It's gonna be tough for a lot of people to stand up against the political fallout from this.

20 dead 6 and 7 year olds is a motherfucker.

Yes there are.  They are conversions.  Bushmaster didn't do the conversion.  Other SOTs did the conversions.  Sendra did a lot of bushmasters.  

But this instance is 99% likely to be a misunderstanding in the media to call semi autos, automatic,  happens all the time.

Sadly, I'm used to it.  I work with about a dozen Obama voters.
I've had the "You can't hunt with an assault rifle" conversation three times in the last two days.
Of course, none of them hunt.  Or have ever hunted.  Or know anyone who hunts.  
I asked them what you can hunt with.  No answer.
They were confused when I showed them dozens of pictures like this: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_9/622166_Post_some_pics_of_your_hogs___.html
It had never occurred to them that they could be wrong.
There wasn't even any point in getting into the fact that the 2A has nothing to do with hunting.  





THAT is a conversation that would have been pointless.






 

Agreed. I'd say even a 1% chance of it being a papered legal NFA item is high. Its not going to be the case.

Don't forget this one.  The national media likes to forget this one happened.....

Hartford Distributors Shooting - 10 Dead

Now that they have had time to "confer" to "clear up inaccuracies"... of COURSE it was the rifle.  It takes time to find or create enough spent cases to fit the scene you know.  They didn't have enough of them in the pre-evidence room.