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Posted: 7/29/2013 3:45:36 PM EDT
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FANTASTIC!!!! Pretty much every rifle, optic, mount and sight in my safe is now SELF-LUBRICATING!!!!!!!!! 
Off to threadlock the wife.... 
ETA: If I'm not back in 20 minutes, call a gunsmith. That's some funny shit right there. Let us know if it works so we can start a run on threat locker. 
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Posted: 7/29/2013 3:52:07 PM EDT
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If there is one thing I have learned in my 40+ years.....
Anything made by Loc-Tite FUCKING WORKS like advertised. When I really need or want the best adhesive for the job, I buy Loc-Tite brand. |
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Posted: 7/29/2013 3:59:53 PM EDT
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FANTASTIC!!!! Pretty much every rifle, optic, mount and sight in my safe is now SELF-LUBRICATING!!!!!!!!!
Off to threadlock the wife....
ETA: If I'm not back in 20 minutes, call a gunsmith. Well, happy threadlocking then. 
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Posted: 7/29/2013 4:04:52 PM EDT
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Guy who said that works behind the counter at a gun store. No more comments needed
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Posted: 7/29/2013 4:19:57 PM EDT
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Wow, just wow. Get a new gunsmith. I wouldn't want that guy touching any of my guns. I wouldn't even want to know or find out what other idiotic notions he holds.
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Posted: 7/29/2013 4:53:21 PM EDT
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Having worked at a gun shop as the gun fixer.aka gunsmith, I can say without reservation that that idiot doesn't know what he is talking about.
Loctite does what is it designed to do. Lock threads. Did I say the guy is an idiot? Find another gunsmith. |
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Posted: 7/29/2013 4:59:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That doesn't even make sense.  |
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Posted: 7/29/2013 7:43:09 PM EDT
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I guess I may have not been clear the "gunsmith" only helps us on the sales floor, he is not an in house gunsmith. And I'm the guy behind the counter so.....Everyone RUN!
 When he said it "tuned into lubricant" I was like  . But I didn't want to be ass and tell him he is a moron, my thought are pretty consistent with most posts. But trust me I will never be going to him for any help.
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Posted: 7/29/2013 7:50:16 PM EDT
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I hope not
 I blue lock-tight everything. I mean everything.
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Posted: 7/29/2013 8:38:14 PM EDT
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What should have been a red warning flag flying in your face was you were in the Local Gun Shop.  The guy telling you this BS was probably a jerky selling SEAL.Comprehension Cat sez: He works there |
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Posted: 7/29/2013 8:44:38 PM EDT
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Guy sounds like a bright one, don't believe everything you hear
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Posted: 7/29/2013 11:53:25 PM EDT
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He is full of shit
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Posted: 7/30/2013 6:04:59 AM EDT
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I was mounting a scope at the LGS and a gunsmith that helps us on big sales came into the store. He saw me putting blue threadlocker on the scope rings and told me I shouldn't do that. He said over time the threadlocker will break down and turn into lubricant and the screws will work loose. Any truth to this or is he just, "I'm older and know better than you boy"? No. |
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Posted: 7/30/2013 6:23:52 AM EDT
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Congrats, you met a retard This. |
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Posted: 7/30/2013 6:26:21 AM EDT
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So what does he suggest… silver solder? |
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Posted: 7/30/2013 6:41:13 AM EDT
[#16]
Just follow the specs of who ever made the rings and not worry about what some knobhead has to say about it.
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Posted: 7/30/2013 7:08:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2013 7:11:49 AM EDT
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I lubed my bolt and entire BCG with red Loctite yesterday, after reading this thread. I chambered a round when I put it back together. I took it out this morning to shoot it and heat up the Loctite. I fired the round in the chamber but the bolt did not come back. I tried mortaring it but it won't move. What do I do now?
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Posted: 7/30/2013 7:31:25 AM EDT
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Obviously needz moar...
Try soaking it in a vat of purple overnight? Careful, though, if you mix red and blue to get the purple the sonuvabitch might slip thru the space time continuum and kill future you. Or maybe past you. Could also kill present you, then get away with it. What with being slippery, and all... I'm replacing my motor oil with red loctite as we speak. I expect great things... |
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Posted: 7/30/2013 10:31:02 AM EDT
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That's why he's gunsmith. And not a chemical engineer.
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Posted: 7/30/2013 11:30:02 AM EDT
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I lubed my bolt and entire BCG with red Loctite yesterday, after reading this thread. I chambered a round when I put it back together. I took it out this morning to shoot it and heat up the Loctite. I fired the round in the chamber but the bolt did not come back. I tried mortaring it but it won't move. What do I do now? 
You know the AR likes to be run really wet right? One small tube of red locktite isn't going to be enough to properly lube that rifle if its new, you need at least two.
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Posted: 7/30/2013 11:33:06 AM EDT
[#22]
I read the thread title and thought to myself..."moderators must be tired of going in dry".
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Posted: 7/30/2013 11:33:54 AM EDT
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If he was using loctite 87 it will. google it.
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Posted: 7/30/2013 11:34:48 AM EDT
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The LIQUID LocTite will act as lubricant on the threads you put them on when it is still wet, thus lowering the coefficient of friction and ultimately raising the torque you apply to the bolt.
Doing this means you may end up over torquing bolts. Your choice. I've never heard of the other thing. |
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Posted: 7/30/2013 11:37:31 AM EDT
[#25]
He's right, and it's also true of the aluminum and/or steel that the scope and rings are made of. Apply enough heat and they'll turn to liquid.
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Posted: 7/30/2013 11:45:57 AM EDT
[#26]
Wait. Whut?
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Posted: 7/30/2013 11:49:27 AM EDT
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..it will be a bitch to get the thread locker off... for scopes I recommend the weaker version "purple" thread locker... blue is not that bad Red needs heat but purple works.. leave the green alone... and I have never had it "Turn to lubrication" <----- Professional gunsmith not a chemist..Purple is awesome for small screws. |
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Posted: 7/30/2013 11:55:23 AM EDT
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The LIQUID LocTite will act as lubricant on the threads you put them on when it is still wet, thus lowering the coefficient of friction and ultimately raising the torque you apply to the bolt raising the amount of pre-load applied to the bolt Doing this means you may end up over torquing bolts stretch the bolt beyond its yield point. FIFY. Proper torque specs are specified both the amount of torque and what lubricant (or dry  ) is to be used. (actually there several other better ways to specify this).
You are correct that lubing a bolt and then using "dry" torque specs would be bad because you could over stretch the bolt. But understand what we are trying to achieve is NOT TORQUE. What we are trying to achieve is pre-load. A bolt is basically a heavy duty rubber band - the more you stretch it without over-stretching it the better it will hold. The reason dry torque specs suck is the large majority of the torque on the bolt is used to overcome friction, and we end up with an unknown amount of pre-load because the friction can vary from bolt to bolt. |
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Posted: 7/30/2013 11:58:21 AM EDT
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Caliper bracket bolts usually have thread locker painted on. Calipers can exceed 700*F and the loctite stays where it is and does it's job. I say they old guy you described in the OP is a ra-tard.
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Posted: 7/30/2013 12:05:51 PM EDT
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I hope not I blue lock-tight everything. I mean everything.Did you locktight a man eating his own head? Then you haven't locktighted everything, Gary. |
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Posted: 7/30/2013 12:17:46 PM EDT
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i have personally heated green threadlocker to failure. it turns to a white powder, and NOT to a liquid or a lubricant. oh and it required 600 degrees to do it.
guy was as full of shit as a haggis. |
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Posted: 7/30/2013 12:22:15 PM EDT
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FIFY. Proper torque specs are specified both the amount of torque and what lubricant (or dry ) is to be used. (actually there several other better ways to specify this).
You are correct that lubing a bolt and then using "dry" torque specs would be bad because you could over stretch the bolt. But understand what we are trying to achieve is NOT TORQUE. What we are trying to achieve is pre-load. A bolt is basically a heavy duty rubber band - the more you stretch it without over-stretching it the better it will hold. The reason dry torque specs suck is the large majority of the torque on the bolt is used to overcome friction, and we end up with an unknown amount of pre-load because the friction can vary from bolt to bolt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The LIQUID LocTite will act as lubricant on the threads you put them on when it is still wet, thus lowering the coefficient of friction and ultimately raising the torque you apply to the bolt raising the amount of pre-load applied to the bolt Doing this means you may end up over torquing bolts stretch the bolt beyond its yield point. FIFY. Proper torque specs are specified both the amount of torque and what lubricant (or dry ) is to be used. (actually there several other better ways to specify this).
You are correct that lubing a bolt and then using "dry" torque specs would be bad because you could over stretch the bolt. But understand what we are trying to achieve is NOT TORQUE. What we are trying to achieve is pre-load. A bolt is basically a heavy duty rubber band - the more you stretch it without over-stretching it the better it will hold. The reason dry torque specs suck is the large majority of the torque on the bolt is used to overcome friction, and we end up with an unknown amount of pre-load because the friction can vary from bolt to bolt. Thank you for the corrections. I knew it was wrong, but didn't know how else to say it at the moment. Thank you! And I call myself an engineer. 
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Posted: 7/30/2013 12:22:31 PM EDT
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That being said, if your scope rings are getting hot enough to melt loctite,you're doing it wrong. Or it'll make an epic video well worth seeing!
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Posted: 7/30/2013 12:44:13 PM EDT
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Thank you for the corrections. I knew it was wrong, but didn't know how else to say it at the moment. Thank you! And I call myself an engineer.
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Posted: 7/30/2013 12:58:56 PM EDT
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I suppose if the threadlocker melts then it would make it easier to loosen something than if you had never used the threadlocker at all on it. So in essence one could say it lubricates. |
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Posted: 7/30/2013 1:06:01 PM EDT
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i have personally heated green threadlocker to failure. it turns to a white powder, and NOT to a liquid or a lubricant. oh and it required 600 degrees to do it. guy was as full of shit as a haggis. A haggis you say?
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Posted: 7/30/2013 1:07:39 PM EDT
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I suppose if the threadlocker melts then it would make it easier to loosen something than if you had never used the threadlocker at all on it. So in essence one could say it lubricates. Or, in its initial liquid form it provides a degree of lubrication, and the guy somehow postulated it "becomes" a lubricant at some future point. Either way, he's wrong. 
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Posted: 7/30/2013 2:31:20 PM EDT
[#38]
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If there is one thing I have learned in my 40+ years..... Anything made by Loc-Tite FUCKING WORKS like advertised. When I really need or want the best adhesive for the job, I buy Loc-Tite brand. This made me laugh but it is true |
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Posted: 7/30/2013 2:33:54 PM EDT
[#39]
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Comprehension Cat sez: He works there Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What should have been a red warning flag flying in your face was you were in the Local Gun Shop. The guy telling you this BS was probably a jerky selling SEAL.Comprehension Cat sez: He works there Sorry had a bit to much of the grape so yes my comprehension was
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Posted: 7/30/2013 2:35:21 PM EDT
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Be a man, use loctite 660!
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Posted: 7/31/2013 6:08:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I use a lot of blue threadlocker. I highly doubt it. I've removed things that were loctitied for years and the residue is always dry and crystalline in appearance. |
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