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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:06:51 PM EDT
[#1]
assad made zero look like a weak asshole. May fuck be upon both of them.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:07:27 PM EDT
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The guy is definitely an asshole, but I have a sneaking suspicion that he's far better than what we are about to get.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:07:45 PM EDT
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Because Al queda and the Brotherhood apparently will provide a brighter future
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:09:15 PM EDT
[#4]
He is a dictator, he's running and Arab country, he's killed a lot of Arabs,he's killed a lot of his own citizens who are muslim, he's secular, he hasn't attacked Israel.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:15:46 PM EDT
[#5]
He's bad because he didn't roll over for Obama's "Arab Spring". On the other hand, Hillary says he's a reformer.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:16:36 PM EDT
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He's bad because he didn't roll over for Obama's "Arab Spring". On the other hand, Hillary says he's a reformer. Don't forget he's a good friend of Kerry's. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:17:36 PM EDT
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He is a dictator, he's running and Arab country, he's killed a lot of Arabs,he's killed a lot of his own citizens who are muslim, he's secular, he hasn't attacked Israel. He did support AQI so I find his current predicament awesome. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:18:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget he's a good friend of Kerry's. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He's bad because he didn't roll over for Obama's "Arab Spring". On the other hand, Hillary says he's a reformer. Don't forget he's a good friend of Kerry's. He made Kerry pick up the check each of the five times they dined together.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:21:13 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: assad made zero look like a weak asshole. May fuck be upon both of them. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:22:04 PM EDT
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He is a dictator, he's running and Arab country, he's killed a lot of Arabs,he's killed a lot of his own citizens who are muslim, he's secular, he hasn't attacked Israel. So he is the standard model of how to effectively run a middle eastern country then? |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:27:13 PM EDT
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So he is the standard model of how to effectively run a middle eastern country then? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He is a dictator, he's running and Arab country, he's killed a lot of Arabs,he's killed a lot of his own citizens who are muslim, he's secular, he hasn't attacked Israel. So he is the standard model of how to effectively run a middle eastern country then? 'Nuther reason for Zero to hate him. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:27:16 PM EDT
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He's running an Iranian proxy state. We've been involved in a proxy conflict with Iran for the last 35 years that has taken the lives of hundreds of American military and civilians. He's been a longtime supporter and facilitator of terrorism against Israel. Under his and his father's regime Syria occupied and destabilized Lebanon for decades. The majority of the foreign fighters in Iraq entered via the Syrian border: he was complicit, and they killed a lot of American troops. He's brutally repressed what began as a secular uprising against his government during the Arab Spring and he's used nerve gas against his own civilians. Regardless of what you think of intervention he's not some goddamned hero holding the tide against the jihadis.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:28:01 PM EDT
[#13]
Because he killed 400 children with poison gas.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:31:39 PM EDT
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Because he killed 400 children with poison gas. but the others killed with conventional weapons are OK? Oh, I see, makes sense. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:31:57 PM EDT
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He's running an Iranian proxy state. We've been involved in a proxy conflict with Iran for the last 35 years that has taken the lives of hundreds of American military and civilians. He's been a longtime supporter and facilitator of terrorism against Israel. Under his and his father's regime Syria occupied and destabilized Lebanon for decades. The majority of the foreign fighters in Iraq entered via the Syrian border: he was complicit, and they killed a lot of American troops. He's brutally repressed what began as a secular uprising against his government during the Arab Spring and he's used nerve gas against his own civilians. Regardless of what you think of intervention he's not some goddamned hero holding the tide against the jihadis. Truth, 100%. He's better in power than the extremists though, bet thing to do it keep the civil war going in perpetuity with only covert American involvement. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:35:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because he people on his side allegedly killed as many as 400 children with poison gas. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:36:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's running an Iranian proxy state. We've been involved in a proxy conflict with Iran for the last 35 years that has taken the lives of hundreds of American military and civilians. He's been a longtime supporter and facilitator of terrorism against Israel. Under his and his father's regime Syria occupied and destabilized Lebanon for decades. The majority of the foreign fighters in Iraq entered via the Syrian border: he was complicit, and they killed a lot of American troops. He's brutally repressed what began as a secular uprising against his government during the Arab Spring and he's used nerve gas against his own civilians. Regardless of what you think of intervention he's not some goddamned hero holding the tide against the jihadis. This is my understanding as well. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:42:44 PM EDT
[#18]
Assad:
It's not a zero sum game. Everyone can be an asshole here. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:43:46 PM EDT
[#19]
He's just the latest bogeyman.
After he goes, another one will magically appear, almost as if on cue. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:44:15 PM EDT
[#20]
Wonder how many children will be killed if we lob a couple hundred cruise missiles into Syria.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:44:45 PM EDT
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This is my understanding as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's running an Iranian proxy state. We've been involved in a proxy conflict with Iran for the last 35 years that has taken the lives of hundreds of American military and civilians. He's been a longtime supporter and facilitator of terrorism against Israel. Under his and his father's regime Syria occupied and destabilized Lebanon for decades. The majority of the foreign fighters in Iraq entered via the Syrian border: he was complicit, and they killed a lot of American troops. He's brutally repressed what began as a secular uprising against his government during the Arab Spring and he's used nerve gas against his own civilians. Regardless of what you think of intervention he's not some goddamned hero holding the tide against the jihadis. This is my understanding as well. Very true, only thing I might quibble with is the secular uprising. The arab spring is largly a MB uprising. Helped in Syria by the ruling Shia/majority sunni situation. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:45:31 PM EDT
[#22]
Like father, like son.
Google his father and his use of poison gas on the locals. He was a real peach. Chris |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:45:46 PM EDT
[#23]
He's doing our government's job for it, and doing it better than it could do for itself. They don't like the competition.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:46:33 PM EDT
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He did support AQI so I find his current predicament awesome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He is a dictator, he's running and Arab country, he's killed a lot of Arabs,he's killed a lot of his own citizens who are muslim, he's secular, he hasn't attacked Israel. He did support AQI so I find his current predicament awesome. I say we build a wall around Syria and throw in guns until the shooting stops. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:46:53 PM EDT
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Assad:
It's not a zero sum game. Everyone can be an asshole here. Yes, but when one enemy is busily exterminating another enemy, should you not cheer his progress? |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:47:22 PM EDT
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Because he killed 400 children with poison gas. being sarcastic...or do have info no one else has? |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:51:47 PM EDT
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Very true, only thing I might quibble with is the secular uprising. The arab spring is largly a MB uprising. Helped in Syria by the ruling Shia/majority sunni situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's running an Iranian proxy state. We've been involved in a proxy conflict with Iran for the last 35 years that has taken the lives of hundreds of American military and civilians. He's been a longtime supporter and facilitator of terrorism against Israel. Under his and his father's regime Syria occupied and destabilized Lebanon for decades. The majority of the foreign fighters in Iraq entered via the Syrian border: he was complicit, and they killed a lot of American troops. He's brutally repressed what began as a secular uprising against his government during the Arab Spring and he's used nerve gas against his own civilians. Regardless of what you think of intervention he's not some goddamned hero holding the tide against the jihadis. This is my understanding as well. Very true, only thing I might quibble with is the secular uprising. The arab spring is largly a MB uprising. Helped in Syria by the ruling Shia/majority sunni situation. MB membership in Syria was punishable by death prior to the revolution. It was destroyed by Assad's father and was not a coherent political movement in Syria in 2011. There's no evidence that they played any role in the early stages of the uprising. It was pretty much a secular movement. We fucked up by not getting out in front of it then. In any case, the Syrian MB is not the Egyptian MB. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood_of_Syria |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:55:50 PM EDT
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Yes, but when one enemy is busily exterminating another enemy, should you not cheer his progress? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not a zero sum game. Everyone can be an asshole here. Yes, but when one enemy is busily exterminating another enemy, should you not cheer his progress? Because 1. Somebody's going to win and 2. The Syrian opposition is not entirely composed of our enemies. In fact, nobody knows how much of it is made up of Islamists. It almost certainly isn't even a numerical majority. But we ARE creating more enemies by NOT intervening. http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/why-syrians-in-turkey-are-not-%E2%80%9Crefugees%E2%80%9D-and-why-it-matters |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:57:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, but when one enemy is busily exterminating another enemy, should you not cheer his progress? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Assad:
It's not a zero sum game. Everyone can be an asshole here. Yes, but when one enemy is busily exterminating another enemy, should you not cheer his progress? I'm fine with that, but we are getting some posters on here that seem to think Assad is a good guy. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:02:28 PM EDT
[#30]
US dithering allowed the Salafists to gain a foothold. Had there been support of secularists,dissidents and deserters early Assad would be gone and AQ would not be an issue in Syria.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:02:33 PM EDT
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I'm fine with that, but we are getting some posters on here that seem to think Assad is a good guy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not a zero sum game. Everyone can be an asshole here. Yes, but when one enemy is busily exterminating another enemy, should you not cheer his progress? I'm fine with that, but we are getting some posters on here that seem to think Assad is a good guy. No one over there is a good guy. He is a "stable" guy. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:03:49 PM EDT
[#32]
I'm fine with that, but we are getting some posters on here that seem to think Assad is a good guy. Uhm, you do realize the John Kerry has stated that Assad is fine dude with a righteous wife, and eats like a gentleman? |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:04:40 PM EDT
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US dithering allowed the Salafists to gain a foothold. Had there been support of secularists,dissidents and deserters early Assad would be gone and AQ would not be an issue in Syria. I will bet you one trillion dollars that that is not true. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:04:51 PM EDT
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Because 1. Somebody's going to win and 2. The Syrian opposition is not entirely composed of our enemies. In fact, nobody knows how much of it is made up of Islamists. It almost certainly isn't even a numerical majority. But we ARE creating more enemies by NOT intervening. http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/why-syrians-in-turkey-are-not-%E2%80%9Crefugees%E2%80%9D-and-why-it-matters Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not a zero sum game. Everyone can be an asshole here. Yes, but when one enemy is busily exterminating another enemy, should you not cheer his progress? Because 1. Somebody's going to win and 2. The Syrian opposition is not entirely composed of our enemies. In fact, nobody knows how much of it is made up of Islamists. It almost certainly isn't even a numerical majority. But we ARE creating more enemies by NOT intervening. http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/why-syrians-in-turkey-are-not-%E2%80%9Crefugees%E2%80%9D-and-why-it-matters I'm not sure I agree with you on that last sentence, or on number 2. My uncertainty makes me unwilling to roll the dice with American Soldiers' lives. I do know that one of the 5 pillars of Islam is to make the world subject to Islam. That in itself is a mission statement that is repeated every day by every "good" practitioner. It is difficult, and I'm not sure it's wise to try to decide which are the "good" muslims and which are our enemies. The MB is clearly an enemy. The Baath party is somewhat more secular, and while it's fascist, it's not as fanatical in its hatred of us. More of a pragmatic enmity. Either way, both sides want to take us down a notch. I'm for not helping them do it. There is absolutely nothing to gain that I care about, and it would mean getting involved in ANOTHER land war in Asia. Even Vassilly from Princess Bride would say that was a bad idea. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:06:35 PM EDT
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Because his country currently prints their own money.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:07:02 PM EDT
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Is he so bad because our government says so? I mean it seems as though he has kept the peace for a long time until our foreign policies in the middle east and N Africa were revamped by our government; and the governments of Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt collapsed. He gassed his own people. 
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:07:18 PM EDT
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No one over there is a good guy. He is a "stable" guy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not a zero sum game. Everyone can be an asshole here. Yes, but when one enemy is busily exterminating another enemy, should you not cheer his progress? I'm fine with that, but we are getting some posters on here that seem to think Assad is a good guy. No one over there is a good guy. He is a "stable" guy. Not anymore. Even if he manages to tamp this down and regain control over most of the country it'll never be stable under an Assad regime again. It'll be a jihadi magnet and rallying cry, and the sectarian fighting will continue to spread thru Lebanon and through-out the ME. Cat's out of the bag. If he were really that stable in the first place we wouldn't be having this conversation. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:09:19 PM EDT
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I say we build a wall around Syria and throw in guns until the shooting stops. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He is a dictator, he's running and Arab country, he's killed a lot of Arabs,he's killed a lot of his own citizens who are muslim, he's secular, he hasn't attacked Israel. He did support AQI so I find his current predicament awesome. I say we build a wall around Syria and throw in guns until the shooting stops. why stop with Syria, encircle the whole middle east and much of the far east as well. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:09:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No one over there is a good guy. He is a "stable" guy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Assad:
It's not a zero sum game. Everyone can be an asshole here. Yes, but when one enemy is busily exterminating another enemy, should you not cheer his progress? I'm fine with that, but we are getting some posters on here that seem to think Assad is a good guy. No one over there is a good guy. He is a "stable" guy. I'm fine with that, too. I'm just irked by the "it's AQ versus the good guys" BS. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:10:32 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Uhm, you do realize the John Kerry has stated that Assad is fine dude with a righteous wife, and eats like a gentleman? Quote HistoryQuoted: some posters on here that seem to think Assad is a good guy. Uhm, you do realize the John Kerry has stated that Assad is fine dude with a righteous wife, and eats like a gentleman? Kerry is an assclown. I wonder what his screen name is. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:11:03 PM EDT
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I'm not sure I agree with you on that last sentence, or on number 2. My uncertainty makes me unwilling to roll the dice with American Soldiers' lives. I do know that one of the 5 pillars of Islam is to make the world subject to Islam. That in itself is a mission statement that is repeated every day by every "good" practitioner. It is difficult, and I'm not sure it's wise to try to decide which are the "good" muslims and which are our enemies. The MB is clearly an enemy. The Baath party is somewhat more secular, and while it's fascist, it's not as fanatical in its hatred of us. More of a pragmatic enmity. Either way, both sides want to take us down a notch. I'm for not helping them do it. There is absolutely nothing to gain that I care about, and it would mean getting involved in ANOTHER land war in Asia. Even Vassilly from Princess Bride would say that was a bad idea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not a zero sum game. Everyone can be an asshole here. Yes, but when one enemy is busily exterminating another enemy, should you not cheer his progress? Because 1. Somebody's going to win and 2. The Syrian opposition is not entirely composed of our enemies. In fact, nobody knows how much of it is made up of Islamists. It almost certainly isn't even a numerical majority. But we ARE creating more enemies by NOT intervening. http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/why-syrians-in-turkey-are-not-%E2%80%9Crefugees%E2%80%9D-and-why-it-matters I'm not sure I agree with you on that last sentence, or on number 2. My uncertainty makes me unwilling to roll the dice with American Soldiers' lives. I do know that one of the 5 pillars of Islam is to make the world subject to Islam. That in itself is a mission statement that is repeated every day by every "good" practitioner. It is difficult, and I'm not sure it's wise to try to decide which are the "good" muslims and which are our enemies. The MB is clearly an enemy. The Baath party is somewhat more secular, and while it's fascist, it's not as fanatical in its hatred of us. More of a pragmatic enmity. Either way, both sides want to take us down a notch. I'm for not helping them do it. There is absolutely nothing to gain that I care about, and it would mean getting involved in ANOTHER land war in Asia. Even Vassilly from Princess Bride would say that was a bad idea. Yeah, there's no good options, just varying degrees of bad ones. It's all percentages. And I don't think anything will involve going in on the ground. Even if we had overwhelming public support and a staging area and a good reason, Barack doesn't have the sack. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:11:36 PM EDT
[#42]
Because our government needs another war. As weak as it is, like blatantly weak. Obama has discarded his banana leaf garb.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:12:41 PM EDT
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Assad is a dick but he's a secular dictator.
So not only are we coming down on the side of AQ, but we are also fighting FOR the very dipshits that oppress women. You have jackasses like Pelosi who says not providing free birth control is a fundamental attack on women's rights but yet she is more than ready to come down on the side of MuBo who would do nothing more than strip away all women's rights in Syria. On top of all that, the US will basically be supporting genocide when the dominant sunni population kills off the minority allawites. Its back to hiding in the hills for the allawites. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:14:50 PM EDT
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Not anymore. Even if he manages to tamp this down and regain control over most of the country it'll never be stable under an Assad regime again. It'll be a jihadi magnet and rallying cry, and the sectarian fighting will continue to spread thru Lebanon and through-out the ME. Cat's out of the bag. If he were really that stable in the first place we wouldn't be having this conversation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not a zero sum game. Everyone can be an asshole here. Yes, but when one enemy is busily exterminating another enemy, should you not cheer his progress? I'm fine with that, but we are getting some posters on here that seem to think Assad is a good guy. No one over there is a good guy. He is a "stable" guy. Not anymore. Even if he manages to tamp this down and regain control over most of the country it'll never be stable under an Assad regime again. It'll be a jihadi magnet and rallying cry, and the sectarian fighting will continue to spread thru Lebanon and through-out the ME. Cat's out of the bag. If he were really that stable in the first place we wouldn't be having this conversation. Good point. But that is like the chicken or the egg argument. Is he unstable so we have to support his ousters or did we support his ousters so now he is unstable. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:16:33 PM EDT
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I like how the libtard media was fawning over Assad's old lady a couple of years ago describing her aa shining light in the mid-east and now is throwing her under the bus.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:18:54 PM EDT
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Kerry is an assclown. I wonder what his screen name is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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some posters on here that seem to think Assad is a good guy. Uhm, you do realize the John Kerry has stated that Assad is fine dude with a righteous wife, and eats like a gentleman? Kerry is an assclown. I wonder what his screen name is. Breath smells like Obama sauce 
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:20:30 PM EDT
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He was in charge of a stable country.
Those are not allowed to exist in the new world order. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:22:21 PM EDT
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Previously they just wiped entire populated towns off the map with artillery.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:27:11 PM EDT
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Is he so bad because our government says so? I mean it seems as though he has kept the peace for a long time until our foreign policies in the middle east and N Africa were revamped by our government; and the governments of Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt collapsed. He gassed his own people. True, but so has the opposition. This is two bad guys going to town on one another, and Assad is currently in the lead. If our airstrikes are truly "limited" then it should even the playing field and prolong the conflict... which is kinda what most of GD wants isn't it? ...
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:28:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because he killed 400 children with poison gas. The radical rebel types would sacrifice 4000 of their own children if they thought it had the chance of getting us to enter their war to fight on their side. |
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