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Posted: 1/6/2014 10:17:54 AM EDT
Found this documentary about a guy that might have been a survivor of Custer's Last Stand.
It was a interesting documentary and it got the wheels turning......Was it Custer's blinded pride that lost the day? From reports that came out in I believe the 60's he had a chance to escape but chose not to.
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The only survivor was a horse.
Yes, it was Custer's ego that got him killed, and another Captain's choice not to back him up. |
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I blame it on Benteen (cowardice and vengeance) and Reno (incompetence)
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Nope. Giovanni Martini was with Custer and sent with a message for Benteen and Reno. He survived.
Funny fact. He had fought with Garibaldi in Italy before |
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And a shit load of Indians. Any truth to the fact Indian scouts told Custer "You don't have enough bullets for al those Indians"? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The only survivor was a horse. Yes, it was Custer's ego that got him killed, and another Captain's choice not to back him up. And a shit load of Indians. Any truth to the fact Indian scouts told Custer "You don't have enough bullets for al those Indians"? Not to mention, the Native Americans were better equipped! They had repeater rifles, to the Cav's single action. |
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One of the guys they interviewed compared Custer to Patton......
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Not to mention, the Native Americans were better equipped! They had repeater rifles, to the Cav's single action. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The only survivor was a horse. Yes, it was Custer's ego that got him killed, and another Captain's choice not to back him up. And a shit load of Indians. Any truth to the fact Indian scouts told Custer "You don't have enough bullets for al those Indians"? Not to mention, the Native Americans were better equipped! They had repeater rifles, to the Cav's single action. Another interesting fact was that Custer HAD Gatling guns, but choose not to deploy with them. |
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Interesting and still controversial battle. Custer did many things wrong; inadequate recon, split his force in the face of a superior enemy, poor instructions to subordinates, a 'liberal" interpretation of his orders, overconfidence (not exactly misplaced), outnumbered by as much as ten to one. Had Reno and Benteen come to his aid it would only have increased the casualties. The last stand battle was actually quite short, less than a half an hour.
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There is no way this is a saigaman thread. He mentions a documentary, yet there is no YouTube link?
Where is saigaman, and what have you done with him? ![]() |
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Nope. Giovanni Martini was with Custer and sent with a message for Benteen and Reno. He survived. Funny fact. He had fought with Garibaldi in Italy before View Quote I don't know the details of the entire battle, but I'd read before that Custer would have gotten reinforcements in plenty of time.... however many of Benteen's / Reno's horses got into the "locoweed"... Quoting a nutritional website: "Some believe that Custer would not have been defeated at the Battle of Little Bighorn if the troops of Benteen and Reno had arrived in time. One report indicated that the horses and mules in the pack train with Benteen and Reno were lame and acting crazy, which delayed their arrival.......the odd behavior was more likely caused by swainsonine, which along with high selenium levels, is found in some types of locoweeds that grow in the region. So, Custer’s last stand might have been avoided entirely if Benteen and Reno had known their animals were grazing on locoweeds. " |
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Reportedly, his Indian scout Mitch Bouyer told him he had never seen that many indians, and the other scouts concurred that there were too many
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And a shit load of Indians. Any truth to the fact Indian scouts told Custer "You don't have enough bullets for al those Indians"? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The only survivor was a horse. Yes, it was Custer's ego that got him killed, and another Captain's choice not to back him up. And a shit load of Indians. Any truth to the fact Indian scouts told Custer "You don't have enough bullets for al those Indians"? |
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Another interesting fact was that Custer HAD Gatling guns, but choose not to deploy with them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The only survivor was a horse. Yes, it was Custer's ego that got him killed, and another Captain's choice not to back him up. And a shit load of Indians. Any truth to the fact Indian scouts told Custer "You don't have enough bullets for al those Indians"? Not to mention, the Native Americans were better equipped! They had repeater rifles, to the Cav's single action. Another interesting fact was that Custer HAD Gatling guns, but choose not to deploy with them. Enough of this horseshit. How would a Calvary deploy a Gatling gun? Early tech and was essentially useless other than in implaced forts. Few historians fault him for leaving them. |
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Not to mention, the Native Americans were better equipped! They had repeater rifles, to the Cav's single action. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The only survivor was a horse. Yes, it was Custer's ego that got him killed, and another Captain's choice not to back him up. And a shit load of Indians. Any truth to the fact Indian scouts told Custer "You don't have enough bullets for al those Indians"? Not to mention, the Native Americans were better equipped! They had repeater rifles, to the Cav's single action. That's a bit of a legend. They had a few repeaters, but most had muzzle loaders, bows and impact weapons. |
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Under estimated the number of warriors against him. And their willingness to attack with fury.
Over estimated his ability. gd |
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Interesting and still controversial battle. Custer did many things wrong; inadequate recon, split his force in the face of a superior enemy, poor instructions to subordinates, a 'liberal" interpretation of his orders, overconfidence (not exactly misplaced), outnumbered by as much as ten to one. Had Reno and Benteen come to his aid it would only have increased the casualties. The last stand battle was actually quite short, less than a half an hour. View Quote That's wrong. had Reno held his position (with lots of cover) to the woods (keeping at least 1/3rd of the warriors busy), and Benteen walked to the sound of battle (as rules and orders commanded) this wouldn't have been such a defeat, 300 troops wouldn't have been killed. That's a fact |
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Tall grass concealed the enemy numbers. His initial plan to capture the womenz and childrenz to use as shields was thwarted by an early charge by the Indians.
Lever rifles vs. single shot breech loaders. Close combat with large caliber weapons with low skill rifleman. Most probably missed on firing and obscured the battlefield more with great plumes of smoke. |
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It's a myth that the Lakota and Cheyenne all had repeaters. They had a few for sure, but most had muzzle loaders, bows and melee weapons
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actually there were at least two Indian scouts that survived the day.
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It could have gone either way in reality...........Benteen could have made a difference, or he could have suffered the same fate as Keogh's unit did and got wiped out on his way to Custer's position. Damned shame anyone had to die there
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That's wrong. had Reno held his position (with lots of cover) to the woods (keeping at least 1/3rd of the warriors busy), and Benteen walked to the sound of battle (as rules and orders commanded) this wouldn't have been such a defeat, 300 troops wouldn't have been killed. That's a fact View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Interesting and still controversial battle. Custer did many things wrong; inadequate recon, split his force in the face of a superior enemy, poor instructions to subordinates, a 'liberal" interpretation of his orders, overconfidence (not exactly misplaced), outnumbered by as much as ten to one. Had Reno and Benteen come to his aid it would only have increased the casualties. The last stand battle was actually quite short, less than a half an hour. That's wrong. had Reno held his position (with lots of cover) to the woods (keeping at least 1/3rd of the warriors busy), and Benteen walked to the sound of battle (as rules and orders commanded) this wouldn't have been such a defeat, 300 troops wouldn't have been killed. That's a fact |
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Quoted: Someone needs to photochop Custer making his last stand with with a Rhodesian FAL. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: There is no way this is a saigaman thread. He mentions a documentary, yet there is no YouTube link? Where is saigaman, and what have you done with him? ![]() Someone needs to photochop Custer making his last stand with with a Rhodesian FAL. ![]() ![]() |
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It could have gone either way in reality...........Benteen could have made a difference, or he could have suffered the same fate as Keogh's unit did and got wiped out on his way to Custer's position. Damned shame anyone had to die there View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
It could have gone either way in reality...........Benteen could have made a difference, or he could have suffered the same fate as Keogh's unit did and got wiped out on his way to Custer's position. Damned shame anyone had to die there Quoted:
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Interesting and still controversial battle. Custer did many things wrong; inadequate recon, split his force in the face of a superior enemy, poor instructions to subordinates, a 'liberal" interpretation of his orders, overconfidence (not exactly misplaced), outnumbered by as much as ten to one. Had Reno and Benteen come to his aid it would only have increased the casualties. The last stand battle was actually quite short, less than a half an hour. That's wrong. had Reno held his position (with lots of cover) to the woods (keeping at least 1/3rd of the warriors busy), and Benteen walked to the sound of battle (as rules and orders commanded) this wouldn't have been such a defeat, 300 troops wouldn't have been killed. That's a fact It is my understanding that Benteen had plenty more men and all the ammo. I don't think Keogh strength can really compare. |
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Enough of this horseshit. How would a Calvary deploy a Gatling gun? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The only survivor was a horse. Yes, it was Custer's ego that got him killed, and another Captain's choice not to back him up. And a shit load of Indians. Any truth to the fact Indian scouts told Custer "You don't have enough bullets for al those Indians"? Not to mention, the Native Americans were better equipped! They had repeater rifles, to the Cav's single action. Another interesting fact was that Custer HAD Gatling guns, but choose not to deploy with them. Enough of this horseshit. How would a Calvary deploy a Gatling gun? If Calvary had put gatling guns on the walls of Jerusalem, the Romans would have been fucked. |
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Your history, my history....
One thing for sure is that less facts and more opinions dominate the information age and GD. ![]() |
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Interesting and still controversial battle. Custer did many things wrong; inadequate recon, split his force in the face of a superior enemy, poor instructions to subordinates, a 'liberal" interpretation of his orders, overconfidence (not exactly misplaced), outnumbered by as much as ten to one. Had Reno and Benteen come to his aid it would only have increased the casualties. The last stand battle was actually quite short, less than a half an hour. View Quote shorter than that. 5-10 minutes. " the time a hungry man takes to eat his dinner" |
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That's wrong. had Reno held his position (with lots of cover) to the woods (keeping at least 1/3rd of the warriors busy), and Benteen walked to the sound of battle (as rules and orders commanded) this wouldn't have been such a defeat, 300 troops wouldn't have been killed. That's a fact View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Interesting and still controversial battle. Custer did many things wrong; inadequate recon, split his force in the face of a superior enemy, poor instructions to subordinates, a 'liberal" interpretation of his orders, overconfidence (not exactly misplaced), outnumbered by as much as ten to one. Had Reno and Benteen come to his aid it would only have increased the casualties. The last stand battle was actually quite short, less than a half an hour. That's wrong. had Reno held his position (with lots of cover) to the woods (keeping at least 1/3rd of the warriors busy), and Benteen walked to the sound of battle (as rules and orders commanded) this wouldn't have been such a defeat, 300 troops wouldn't have been killed. That's a fact they all would have died. |
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