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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:06:53 PM EST
I believe this particular style of grenade would be preferable to the current grenade style. The stick allows you to throw it a greater distance and also decreases the likelihood that it will roll away from the intended target. Discuss. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:08:25 PM EST
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But, what about the trees?
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:08:32 PM EST
[#2]
You don't need handles hanging off of your chest in combat.
Better to throw, harder to carry. You carry far more of the time than you throw, carry wins. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:09:05 PM EST
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Always wanted a few of those to play with. Of course if your buddy has a lacrosse stick.....
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:10:19 PM EST
[#4]
Concussive grenade with an optional frag sleeve? I sure hope I can throw that as far as humanly possible!
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:11:54 PM EST
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Didn't those have quite a high failure rate? As in, go boom when activated, failure rate?
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:12:58 PM EST
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You don't need handles hanging off of your chest in combat. Better to throw, harder to carry. You carry far more of the time than you throw, carry wins. I was going to say that I defer to those who have had to carry gear in combat, as I'm betting that they would much rather prefer to carry M67s over Stielhandgranaten. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:13:30 PM EST
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You don't need handles hanging off of your chest in combat. Better to throw, harder to carry. You carry far more of the time than you throw, carry wins. I would go with a lightweight, collapsible fiberglass handle. Grab the grenade, extend the "handle", throw. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:14:21 PM EST
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Didn't those have quite a high failure rate? As in, go boom when activated, failure rate? Yes, those models had their issues. I'm not advocating that particular grenade, just the style of grenade. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:14:25 PM EST
[#9]
how far can you throw this
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:15:09 PM EST
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I suppose if it worked well, someone today would be using it.
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:16:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: how far can you throw this https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSX3kNLE_3KHQYMTXT7pJlljqBDrphw_0AlQVxPmlX9sRThzvFwQ3M4aJtg |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:16:56 PM EST
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how far can you throw this
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSX3kNLE_3KHQYMTXT7pJlljqBDrphw_0AlQVxPmlX9sRThzvFwQ3M4aJtg Far enough...and as soon as I let go I'd be runnin' the opposite direction.
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:17:13 PM EST
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EMK11kU9anw/TbSfhy9jT8I/AAAAAAAAAEI/0Eg0soXhNsk/s1600/stickgrenade.jpg I believe this particular style of grenade would be preferable to the current grenade style. The stick allows you to throw it a greater distance and also decreases the likelihood that it will roll away from the intended target. Discuss. Leverage is good. PITA to carry, I'd bet. That's lots of room on your gear. ETA: beat by heavymetal |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:17:49 PM EST
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Those little dinky Dutch made ones are the shit.
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:18:13 PM EST
[#15]
Note that the screw-off cap was not in the first iteration.
The first iteration just had the looped string hanging out of the handle, unprotected. Yeah. The cap was added after a few "bad experiences" in the brush.
Kharn |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:19:01 PM EST
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:21:53 PM EST
[#17]
I dunno, never touched a real gernade. That big ass handle seems like it would be a motherfucker to carry around with all your other bullshit though.
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:22:25 PM EST
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Carry them in buckets for your kamrade, who is throwing them into trench dugouts while you run faster than saint skittles on adredaline out of wal-mart with security on your ass.
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:23:28 PM EST
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It's fucking huge and unwieldy. Wouldn't carry on kit worth a shit. Also it wouldn't go as well through small holes or spaces if need be.
The M67 is perfectly fine. The ASM fucks people up better though
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:24:43 PM EST
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I suppose if it worked well, someone today would be using it. I think there's a stigma associated with that style of grenade. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:26:32 PM EST
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It's fucking huge and unwieldy. Wouldn't carry on kit worth a shit. Also it wouldn't go as well through small holes or spaces if need be. The M67 is perfectly fine. The ASM fucks people up better though Again, I would suggest a new model where the handle would be collapsible and constructed of lightweight fiberglass. Our rifle stocks are not made of wood any longer, we can also modernize other gear. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:26:40 PM EST
[#22]
they should switch to those flail-style grenades like the ones in Gears of War
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:28:16 PM EST
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I always thought a flat,white, rectangular grenade with a loop of string to throw it with would work.
Like soap on a rope. Would keep the straight guys from picking one up and throwing it back at you anyways. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:30:01 PM EST
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Carry them in buckets for your kamrade, who is throwing them into trench dugouts while you run faster than saint skittles on adredaline out of wal-mart with security on your ass. Sandbags. Tie two together, hang over neck, fill with grenades. That was typical. The Chinese used their own offshoot of the german grenade, and the Russians had a few different types of stick grenade. Those little beads on the end of the string can be found on battlefields all over europe. They survive quite well where everything else would decompose or rust. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:30:18 PM EST
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i bet those stick grenades worked well when thrown from an open half track on the movie. sure they are bulky but the can be thrown from all sorts of confined angles better then a normal frag.
also german rifled grenades ftw. proto- m79 
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:30:35 PM EST
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German national sport was Soccer when grenade tossing was in vogue American national sport was Baseball. Who's going to win at throwing things?
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:31:20 PM EST
[#27]
Chicom greneade too.
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:31:52 PM EST
[#28]
I think that Xena the Warrior Princess was onto the best grenade style thousands of years ago.
Yes, an explosive chakram would be ideal! In WWI, the Germans did try some thing similar. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:32:18 PM EST
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They were an OFFENSIVE grenade with a smaller wound/blast radius than our DEFENSIVE grenades that had more shrapnel.
The Krauts in both World Wars would rig up a double burlap sack harness that went under both arms to carry a bunch at a time. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:32:23 PM EST
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I suppose if it worked well, someone today would be using it. I do believe that the Russian version is still in use today. Germany wasn't the only country with a stick-style grenade. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:33:08 PM EST
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Again, I would suggest a new model where the handle would be collapsible and constructed of lightweight fiberglass. Our rifle stocks are not made of wood any longer, we can also modernize other gear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's fucking huge and unwieldy. Wouldn't carry on kit worth a shit. Also it wouldn't go as well through small holes or spaces if need be. The M67 is perfectly fine. The ASM fucks people up better though Again, I would suggest a new model where the handle would be collapsible and constructed of lightweight fiberglass. Our rifle stocks are not made of wood any longer, we can also modernize other gear. what could go wrong...
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:34:04 PM EST
[#32]
I wouldve loved to walk around Iraq with a couple of those stuck in my body armor.
Until they got heavy and the stick rubbed me raw. Fuck it... No but they are cool for realz. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:35:27 PM EST
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I think that Xena the Warrior Princess was onto the best grenade style thousands of years ago. Yes, an explosive chakram would be ideal! In WWI, the Germans did try some thing similar. ultimate frisbi generation would approve. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:36:17 PM EST
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If we're going to redesign the hand grenade, I'd prefer to see a single grenade capable of use as either a hand grenade, or as a bullet-through rifle grenade that would snug up on the current issue flash hider.
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:36:50 PM EST
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I wouldve loved to walk around Iraq with a couple of those stuck in my body armor. Until they got heavy and the stick rubbed me raw. Fuck it... No but they are cool for realz. Again, modernize it with a collapsable, lightweight fiberglass. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:36:59 PM EST
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Sandbags. Tie two together, hang over neck, fill with grenades. That was typical. The Chinese used their own offshoot of the german grenade, and the Russians had a few different types of stick grenade. Those little beads on the end of the string can be found on battlefields all over europe. They survive quite well where everything else would decompose or rust. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Carry them in buckets for your kamrade, who is throwing them into trench dugouts while you run faster than saint skittles on adredaline out of wal-mart with security on your ass. Sandbags. Tie two together, hang over neck, fill with grenades. That was typical. The Chinese used their own offshoot of the german grenade, and the Russians had a few different types of stick grenade. Those little beads on the end of the string can be found on battlefields all over europe. They survive quite well where everything else would decompose or rust. Haha yeah. Or stuff your belt with them to toss. While Deter shoots anyone who survives/you don't get with his G98. 
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:37:10 PM EST
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Again, I would suggest a new model where the handle would be collapsible and constructed of lightweight fiberglass. Our rifle stocks are not made of wood any longer, we can also modernize other gear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's fucking huge and unwieldy. Wouldn't carry on kit worth a shit. Also it wouldn't go as well through small holes or spaces if need be. The M67 is perfectly fine. The ASM fucks people up better though Again, I would suggest a new model where the handle would be collapsible and constructed of lightweight fiberglass. Our rifle stocks are not made of wood any longer, we can also modernize other gear. One of these, but for grenades (ETA: damn, too slow, got beat above): 
How about this?
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:37:57 PM EST
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If we're going to redesign the hand grenade, I'd prefer to see a single grenade capable of use as either a hand grenade, or as a bullet-through rifle grenade that would snug up on the current issue flash hider. I believe the Israelis still have something like that. Someone here should know. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:38:21 PM EST
[#39]
Why not just use one of these to toss the frags we have now?
Doh! beat while searching for a pic. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:38:22 PM EST
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They were an OFFENSIVE grenade with a smaller wound/blast radius than our DEFENSIVE grenades that had more shrapnel. The Krauts in both World Wars would rig up a double burlap sack harness that went under both arms to carry a bunch at a time. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:38:47 PM EST
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Is it standard for most soldiers to carry a grenade (or a number of grenades) or is it only a few people in a squad?
I'd be afraid of a short fuse or something. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:39:44 PM EST
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One of these, but for grenades: http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e135/big_taki/IMG_0355.jpg How about this?
http://www.betdania.com/slidehome/slidehome6.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's fucking huge and unwieldy. Wouldn't carry on kit worth a shit. Also it wouldn't go as well through small holes or spaces if need be. The M67 is perfectly fine. The ASM fucks people up better though Again, I would suggest a new model where the handle would be collapsible and constructed of lightweight fiberglass. Our rifle stocks are not made of wood any longer, we can also modernize other gear. One of these, but for grenades: http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e135/big_taki/IMG_0355.jpg How about this?
http://www.betdania.com/slidehome/slidehome6.jpg Great idea, but if someone is anything like some sad people I have seen with those they will throw it into the ground in front of them.
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:40:14 PM EST
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Is it standard for most soldiers to carry a grenade (or a number of grenades) or is it only a few people in a squad? I'd be afraid of a short fuse or something. METT-TC IOW, it depends. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:40:33 PM EST
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If your target is out of hand thrown grenade range it's Mk19 time.
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:42:56 PM EST
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Carry schmarry... just jam some in your jack boots and call it GTG!
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:42:59 PM EST
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I believe the Israelis still have something like that. Someone here should know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we're going to redesign the hand grenade, I'd prefer to see a single grenade capable of use as either a hand grenade, or as a bullet-through rifle grenade that would snug up on the current issue flash hider. I believe the Israelis still have something like that. Someone here should know. polyvalent grenade. 
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:44:37 PM EST
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Thank God for baseball.
Like chucking rocks. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:45:16 PM EST
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:46:40 PM EST
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Carry schmarry... just jam some in your jack boots and call it GTG!
http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/52830-4/bookagainstrichelieu10 Like a water carrier in cycling. Put them wherever you can. Btw, I hope that he tripped.
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Posted: 1/20/2014 4:48:50 PM EST
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I believe the Israelis still have something like that. Someone here should know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we're going to redesign the hand grenade, I'd prefer to see a single grenade capable of use as either a hand grenade, or as a bullet-through rifle grenade that would snug up on the current issue flash hider. I believe the Israelis still have something like that. Someone here should know. FN made one. 
Like most recent rifle grenades though, it's dedicated to RG use, and fairly large. Kind of a poor man's rocket launcher. I think it'd be neat to offer the capability of just screwing the standard hand grenade onto the end of the standard rifle for increased range though. No need to hunt down adapters, blanks, etc, and no lugging around dedicated RG rounds. Not an answer to every question to be sure, but I think it would see use. |
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