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Posted: 3/20/2014 7:45:56 PM EDT
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Fucking huge
Good for guard tower type duty trying to spot a million Russian zergrushing your position Trying to find the ATF sneaking up on your house ? Not so much |
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Posted: 3/20/2014 7:50:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucking huge Good for guard tower type duty trying to spot a million Russian zergrushing your position Trying to find the ATF sneaking up on your house ? Not so much  Yeah it's big and heavy, but don't have $3k for a pvs-14. ~ $600, I will give it a try if it's better than anything at that price.
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Posted: 3/20/2014 7:51:44 PM EDT
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Gen 1??
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Posted: 3/20/2014 7:52:30 PM EDT
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A buddy and I bought these a year or two ago and they worked great !! Came with 3 separate mounts for different weapon systems and run on standard "C" size batteries. Picture has some barely noticeable graining when in use. IIRC it's like 3 gen one tubes in series so each tube is amplifying the output of the previous tube giving it about gen 2 quality. The mounts alone are worth at least half the price of the entire package. Zeroed mine to my FAL, though mine didn't come with a user's manual I found one in English out at the KCR MG shoot for $20 IIRC. Search the web for cheapest pricing then get SPG to price match so if anything is wrong you have their return guarantee...
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Posted: 3/20/2014 7:53:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gen 1?? yeah, the technology is technically gen 1, but then I hear reviews claiming gen 2 image quality... 2 C batteries
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Posted: 3/20/2014 7:57:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A buddy and I bought these a year or two ago and they worked great !! Came with 3 separate mounts for different weapon systems and run on standard "C" size batteries. Picture has some barely noticeable graining when in use. IIRC it's like 3 gen one tubes in series so each tube is amplifying the output of the previous tube giving it about gen 2 quality. The mounts alone are worth at least half the price of the entire package. Zeroed mine to my FAL, though mine didn't come with a user's manual I found one in English out at the KCR MG shoot for $20 IIRC. Search the web for cheapest pricing then get SPG to price match so if anything is wrong you have their return guarantee... The fact it's one of the rare things that actually mounts directly to my 93, intrigued me.
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Posted: 3/20/2014 7:57:37 PM EDT
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If you get one.... focus adjustment is fucking key to getting as clear an image as the unit is capable of delivering. Once I got mine dial in I had no problem picking out images at 300 yds. Check for some online pics thru the unit... it will surprise you.
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:02:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you get one.... focus adjustment is fucking key to getting as clear an image as the unit is capable of delivering. Once I got mine dial in I had no problem picking out images at 300 yds. Check for some online pics thru the unit... it will surprise you. Ok, wtf...ordered. Should be interesting scanning for coyotes, if nothing else
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:08:08 PM EDT
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Ok, wtf...ordered. Should be interesting scanning for coyotes, if nothing else Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you get one.... focus adjustment is fucking key to getting as clear an image as the unit is capable of delivering. Once I got mine dial in I had no problem picking out images at 300 yds. Check for some online pics thru the unit... it will surprise you. Ok, wtf...ordered. Should be interesting scanning for coyotes, if nothing else Nice! I'd be interested to see a review once you get it. |
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:10:30 PM EDT
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Are these the scopes that put 3 gen1 tubes in a row to get a gen2 quality picture?
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:13:36 PM EDT
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buy once cry once the diff between gen3 pvs-14 and cheap shit IS NIGHT AND DAY
gen 1/2 your better off with a decent flashlight ...that said check the EE for some GEN1 shit I am getting rid of LOL
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:16:51 PM EDT
[#12]
That really isn't bad image quality.
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:19:24 PM EDT
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I searched around on these and found claims they are 4.5x magnified and do not work with an illuminator . They are interesting
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:24:07 PM EDT
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One concern I have is that it doesn't give a date when they're made. These could apparently be, according to writing elsewhere, refurbs from the 70's up to barely used units from the 1990's.
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A buddy and I bought these a year or two ago and they worked great !! Came with 3 separate mounts for different weapon systems and run on standard "C" size batteries. Picture has some barely noticeable graining when in use. IIRC it's like 3 gen one tubes in series so each tube is amplifying the output of the previous tube giving it about gen 2 quality. The mounts alone are worth at least half the price of the entire package. Zeroed mine to my FAL, though mine didn't come with a user's manual I found one in English out at the KCR MG shoot for $20 IIRC. Search the web for cheapest pricing then get SPG to price match so if anything is wrong you have their return guarantee... SPG? |
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:34:38 PM EDT
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One concern I have is that it doesn't give a date when they're made. These could apparently be, according to writing elsewhere, refurbs from the 70's up to barely used units from the 1990's. SPG? Quote HistoryQuoted:
One concern I have is that it doesn't give a date when they're made. These could apparently be, according to writing elsewhere, refurbs from the 70's up to barely used units from the 1990's. Quoted:
A buddy and I bought these a year or two ago and they worked great !! Came with 3 separate mounts for different weapon systems and run on standard "C" size batteries. Picture has some barely noticeable graining when in use. IIRC it's like 3 gen one tubes in series so each tube is amplifying the output of the previous tube giving it about gen 2 quality. The mounts alone are worth at least half the price of the entire package. Zeroed mine to my FAL, though mine didn't come with a user's manual I found one in English out at the KCR MG shoot for $20 IIRC. Search the web for cheapest pricing then get SPG to price match so if anything is wrong you have their return guarantee... SPG? SportsmansGuide |
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:36:55 PM EDT
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One concern I have is that it doesn't give a date when they're made. These could apparently be, according to writing elsewhere, refurbs from the 70's up to barely used units from the 1990's. Quoted:
A buddy and I bought these a year or two ago and they worked great !! Came with 3 separate mounts for different weapon systems and run on standard "C" size batteries. Picture has some barely noticeable graining when in use. IIRC it's like 3 gen one tubes in series so each tube is amplifying the output of the previous tube giving it about gen 2 quality. The mounts alone are worth at least half the price of the entire package. Zeroed mine to my FAL, though mine didn't come with a user's manual I found one in English out at the KCR MG shoot for $20 IIRC. Search the web for cheapest pricing then get SPG to price match so if anything is wrong you have their return guarantee... SPG? SportsmansGuide Ha. No. If they ever bother to ship, I'd have to replace a credit card again because someone at their payment processor compromised mine the last time I ever ordered from them. 
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:38:24 PM EDT
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it.
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:41:57 PM EDT
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later |
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:43:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhere are the crosshairs? |
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:43:46 PM EDT
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pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later That helps with NV on a 7.62 battle rifle how? That's what OP is talking about, (though 5,56) and that's my interest. Putting something on a FAL that won't be screwed up by recoil. |
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:45:28 PM EDT
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That helps with NV on a 7.62 battle rifle how? That's what OP is talking about, and that's my interest. Putting something on a FAL that won't be screwed up by recoil. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later That helps with NV on a 7.62 battle rifle how? That's what OP is talking about, and that's my interest. Putting something on a FAL that won't be screwed up by recoil. well for starters you will have a helmet/head mounted NOD and a nice blinking dot where the bullets go as opposed to a heavy ass single purpose device .... |
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:48:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later   |
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:50:27 PM EDT
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Mine is a great unit. I put an arms qd mount on it.
It has a really clear image that provides a lot of detail. I would say the quality is almost as good as a pvs-4. The included mounts will not work on a picatinny rail, so you need a picatinny stanag mount. |
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:50:38 PM EDT
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well for starters you will have a helmet/head mounted NOD and a nice blinking dot where the bullets go as opposed to a heavy ass single purpose device .... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later That helps with NV on a 7.62 battle rifle how? That's what OP is talking about, and that's my interest. Putting something on a FAL that won't be screwed up by recoil. well for starters you will have a helmet/head mounted NOD and a nice blinking dot where the bullets go as opposed to a heavy ass single purpose device .... Yes, well, I'm thinking more putting down coyotes, not so much urban warfare. 
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:52:02 PM EDT
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Cool protip brah.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/86PlymouthQuest/100_0542_zpsb12e3326.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/86PlymouthQuest/100_0542_zpsb12e3326.jpg whats the nod there ? |
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:54:30 PM EDT
[#26]
Hmm..gonna have to look into these.
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Posted: 3/20/2014 10:45:47 PM EDT
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whats the nod there ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.htmlu You will thank me later
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/86PlymouthQuest/100_0542_zpsb12e3326.jpg whats the nod there ? Pulsar plated tube in a third party housing. Somewhere between modern gen 1+ and older gen 2. Better image than gen 1 but more ir dependent than modern gen 2+. past around 50 yards. Much wider field of view than older units but not quite gen 3 level. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 9:28:37 AM EDT
[#28]
Okay, ordered one. I'd been looking for some sort of NV, yeah, it's heavy, but it's going on a G1 FAL.
I've always been pleased with the quality of German gear, I'll see how well it works.
Apparently not good with flaring light sources, but there's no streetlights here. I just remember how pitch black it was after the 2008 ice storm wiped out all the power for weeks, just enough moonlight for one of these, likely. Can't hurt to have one. |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 11:08:39 AM EDT
[#29]
If I had the cash, I'd get one for my CETME.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 11:18:39 AM EDT
[#30]
I seem to remember reading that these things actually have a shelf life?
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Posted: 3/22/2014 11:31:20 AM EDT
[#31]
I have one. It's big and heavy. Mine wouldnt focus out far enough and I found online where you can loosen the set screws and move the adjustment knob so it will adjust further. I achieved this, but then I broke the dayshade, and I have to remove the batteries to get it to turn off.
Anyone know how to fix this? LOL |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 11:31:42 AM EDT
[#32]
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Cool protip brah.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/86PlymouthQuest/100_0542_zpsb12e3326.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe it's a Gen1 cascade arrangement. Outstanding image quality for the price but you pay a huge weight penalty for it. pro tip here is the deal get something with a head mount gen 2+ and this : http://www.opticsplanet.com/lasermax-uni-max-lasersight-47935.html You will thank me later
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/86PlymouthQuest/100_0542_zpsb12e3326.jpg 
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Posted: 3/22/2014 11:32:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/22/2014 12:20:15 PM EDT
[#34]
Is Copes GTG? I seem to remember an outfit mentioned here on ARFCOM that was fairly big but had a bad reputation. Not saying that its Copes, just curious.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 12:44:59 PM EDT
[#35]
sold out
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Posted: 3/22/2014 12:46:26 PM EDT
[#36]
I just picked one up from Cope's, had some extra cash and was curious. Paid $10 for hand select.
Haven't got to really test out in a big open space but it seems like it does what it does WELL for the price. A PVS-14 can't take .308 recoil but I'm sure the visuals are far superior, just like premium handloads are far far FAR better than TULA, but TULA is far far better than NO AMMO. Not my vid but helped me decide. I heard these have a 1k hour lifespan, hope the Germans didn't train TOO much. GREAT VID OF RINGING STEEL @275 WITH ZEISS ORION PS mine makes a quiet, hi-pitched whining noise, is that normal? |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 12:49:14 PM EDT
[#37]
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I just picked one up from Cope's, had some extra cash and was curious. Paid $10 for hand select. Haven't got to really test out in a big open space but it seems like it does what it does WELL for the price. A PVS-14 can't take .308 recoil but I'm sure the visuals are far superior, just like premium handloads are far far FAR better than TULA, but TULA is far far better than NO AMMO. Not my vid but helped me decide. I heard these have a 1k hour lifespan, hope the Germans didn't train TOO much. GREAT VID OF RINGING STEEL @275 WITH ZEISS ORION PS mine makes a quiet, hi-pitched whining noise, is that normal? That's fairly common. You can hear it in his video too. |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 12:57:33 PM EDT
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I'm impressed by what it can do for the money. Scanning the blacked out silhouette of the neighborhood treeline, I can see everything- no way a ninja
is going to hide up there. Dark silhouette of nearby houses become clear pictures of cable lines, brackets, TV dishes, etc. Built like a tank. (My fixed mag PTR, must be disassembled to remove 10-round mag) 
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Posted: 3/22/2014 1:24:12 PM EDT
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These Zeiss NV scopes are the best bang for the buck on the market IMO. I have one on my HK and use it on my C93 sometimes. They work pretty good. There are several youtube vids on these as well if you want to see how they work at night. Here's a pic of mine mounted on the HK in the middle (thats a Hensoldt Z24 scope laying in front of it too BTW.):
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Posted: 3/22/2014 2:25:57 PM EDT
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Don't let the price fool you. Just as the Hensoldt scopes that were originally sold for $450 here are really more like $800 scopes quality-wise, I've seen a lot
of reviews by people comparing these Zeiss Orions to $1200-$1400 Gen II scopes with a few advantages (never owned anything else so I can't say.) Yes, Ideally one would have a hi-end AR with a $3000 NV unit on it. |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 2:40:40 PM EDT
[#41]
So ITAR doesn't work both ways...
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Posted: 3/22/2014 3:11:09 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So ITAR doesn't work both ways... And you think this why? ITARS doesn't stop imports and exports of items on the Munitions List, it regulates, licenses, and places duties on them. Had to be imported on a DSP-5 (probably not a Form 6). |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 3:19:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I just picked one up from Cope's, had some extra cash and was curious. Paid $10 for hand select. Haven't got to really test out in a big open space but it seems like it does what it does WELL for the price. A PVS-14 can't take .308 recoil but I'm sure the visuals are far superior, just like premium handloads are far far FAR better than TULA, but TULA is far far better than NO AMMO. Not my vid but helped me decide. I heard these have a 1k hour lifespan, hope the Germans didn't train TOO much. GREAT VID OF RINGING STEEL @275 WITH ZEISS ORION PS mine makes a quiet, hi-pitched whining noise, is that normal? So after 1k hours they are no good? Can you order replacement parts to extend this lifespan? |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 3:29:51 PM EDT
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Can one really use the word "cheap" (w/o preceeding it with NOT) to describe anything Zeiss?
Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 3:44:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/22/2014 3:49:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryPlease tell me where I can obtain a tripod like that. |
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Posted: 3/22/2014 4:01:15 PM EDT
[#47]
Out of stock.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 5:08:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please tell me where I can obtain a tripod like that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Please tell me where I can obtain a tripod like that. That's the lightweight Stepanov tripod for the PKM. Mine came with my PKM. Try Google or Gunbroker. Apex Gun Parts has a damaged one for $325.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 5:08:45 PM EDT
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Out of stock. Since the last batch came in 2011 and was jumped on, I figured I better jump on these. Hopefully more will come in. I will post my impressions of it, view of otherwise black NH woods, etc. |
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Posted: 3/26/2014 4:30:54 PM EDT
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Update, just got mine.
The case has expected transit wear, but is in great shape. Inside, though? Everything is there, and... 
It is brand freaking new, I doubt it was ever used outside at all. It even smells new. 1991 date of manufacture. 
It works, too. It's too windy out, or I'd take it outside and try it out. I am VERY pleased! |
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