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Link Posted: 12/20/2014 10:53:33 PM EDT
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         Why no chromium tools?  Concern of a spark with all that fuel dripping?
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Titanium metallurgy isn't my field, but I suspect that chrome as a contaminate on titanium leads to embrittlement and cracking.
Link Posted: 12/20/2014 10:56:16 PM EDT
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I just started reading it. I usually can't make myself read a 'book' on a computer screen (I prefer text on paper, held in hand), but this one is proving to be a real page turner scroller. I'd still love to see a physical copy of it someday, I hear the book itself is a sight to behold.

I'd also like to see an SR-71 in person someday .
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I just started reading it. I usually can't make myself read a 'book' on a computer screen (I prefer text on paper, held in hand), but this one is proving to be a real page turner scroller. I'd still love to see a physical copy of it someday, I hear the book itself is a sight to behold.

I'd also like to see an SR-71 in person someday .

I read kindle on my phone.
Link Posted: 12/20/2014 11:08:49 PM EDT
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No doubt.  Kelly saw through all the bullshit to the hard real science that should be pursued.  Too bad there is not more of that today.



 
Link Posted: 12/20/2014 11:17:10 PM EDT
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I never have seen one fly at an air show but I did get to see the only SR-71B left in the world last summer at the Kalamazoo Air Zoo.  Was an awesome sight.
Link Posted: 12/20/2014 11:19:48 PM EDT
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I touched one at the Evergreen Aviation & Space Museum.  It healed my blindness.

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Link Posted: 12/20/2014 11:20:13 PM EDT
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My #1 aircraft of all-time. Never disappoints.

Also, IN before the Libya or SoCal ATC stories.
Link Posted: 12/20/2014 11:26:00 PM EDT
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I just started reading it. I usually can't make myself read a 'book' on a computer screen (I prefer text on paper, held in hand), but this one is proving to be a real page turner scroller. I'd still love to see a physical copy of it someday, I hear the book itself is a sight to behold.

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I just started reading it. I usually can't make myself read a 'book' on a computer screen (I prefer text on paper, held in hand), but this one is proving to be a real page turner scroller. I'd still love to see a physical copy of it someday, I hear the book itself is a sight to behold.

I'd also like to see an SR-71 in person someday .


There is one in Kalamazoo

http://www.sr-71.org/blackbird/locations.php
Link Posted: 12/20/2014 11:27:54 PM EDT
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I keep going to yard sales to hopefully find a copy of Sled Diver but it never happens.  One day!
Link Posted: 12/20/2014 11:31:14 PM EDT
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I just started reading it. I usually can't make myself read a 'book' on a computer screen (I prefer text on paper, held in hand), but this one is proving to be a real page turner scroller. I'd still love to see a physical copy of it someday, I hear the book itself is a sight to behold.

I'd also like to see an SR-71 in person someday .
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I just started reading it. I usually can't make myself read a 'book' on a computer screen (I prefer text on paper, held in hand), but this one is proving to be a real page turner scroller. I'd still love to see a physical copy of it someday, I hear the book itself is a sight to behold.

I'd also like to see an SR-71 in person someday .


Go to the Kalamazoo Air Zoo
Link Posted: 12/20/2014 11:38:59 PM EDT
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Half a century old and still an awesome airplane.

That they're obsolete makes me believe we have much better spy aircraft today.
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We certainly do, satellites.
Link Posted: 12/20/2014 11:40:57 PM EDT
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Half a century old and still an awesome airplane.

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Most of our cutting edge "black" recon tech probably sits right above the edge of the atmosphere now.  There isn't much use to risk getting shot at when imaging equipment has gotten so good you can get the same coverage from space.
Link Posted: 12/20/2014 11:42:48 PM EDT
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From twinkle in eye to first flight, 4 years. 2 years later, in production and in use.

Meanwhile, the F-35 is going on what, 20 years? And it's not actually in use, and it's not going to set a lot of records.

Apples to ugly misshapen wildly overpriced oranges, I know. But I still think people were just plain smarter back then.

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Also designed without computers. We as the human race have more technology now but we are dumber overall.

This is my favorite airplane. Mainly because my grandfather worked at Warner Robbins airforce base and I got to stand near one and listen to them fire one up
Link Posted: 12/20/2014 11:53:43 PM EDT
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I just started reading it. I usually can't make myself read a 'book' on a computer screen (I prefer text on paper, held in hand), but this one is proving to be a real page turner scroller. I'd still love to see a physical copy of it someday, I hear the book itself is a sight to behold.

I'd also like to see an SR-71 in person someday .


Go to the Kalamazoo Air Zoo

Wow, I've somehow never heard of that place. I'm definitely going there.
Link Posted: 12/20/2014 11:57:01 PM EDT
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With the demise of the SR71 and Concorde you can just tell civilization has passed its peak.
Link Posted: 12/21/2014 12:16:11 AM EDT
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I like the story out there about the ATC speed checks from local traffic. The F-18 pilots would jock in over the general aviation guys to show one up on their speed until one time a SR-71 pilot keyed the mic for a check and blew everyone away with his number.
Link Posted: 12/21/2014 12:34:21 AM EDT
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And the Space Shuttle
Link Posted: 12/21/2014 12:37:21 AM EDT
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I do too. We stalled somewhere along the line. It seems like we are progressing and technology is advancing but truth be told, we should be further along.

You can see this in the pseudoscience that passes for knowledge these days, esp things like fad diets and "alternative" medicine.

If gifted people were rewarded with being able to use those gifts, just think where we would be today. We went to the moon on slide rules and wrenches.

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From twinkle in eye to first flight, 4 years. 2 years later, in production and in use.

Meanwhile, the F-35 is going on what, 20 years? And it's not actually in use, and it's not going to set a lot of records.

Apples to ugly misshapen wildly overpriced oranges, I know. But I still think people were just plain smarter back then.


I do too. We stalled somewhere along the line. It seems like we are progressing and technology is advancing but truth be told, we should be further along.

You can see this in the pseudoscience that passes for knowledge these days, esp things like fad diets and "alternative" medicine.

If gifted people were rewarded with being able to use those gifts, just think where we would be today. We went to the moon on slide rules and wrenches.

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I agree 100%. Not saying we should be in flying cars by now, but we are seeing more improvement of previous inventions than genuinely new stuff, it seems.

I blame the Internet. Some absurdly high percent of Americans is 'online', but Obama still got elected and reelected. If that ain't proof...
Link Posted: 12/21/2014 12:44:22 AM EDT
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I've lived near Beale AFB my whole life. I loved seeing the SR-71 fly. I still like seeing the U-2 around. But nothing is as impressive as the sonic boom from the SR here in the valley.
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When I was a kid living in Olivehurst in the 60's I remember seeing the Blackbird leaving and coming home again.
Link Posted: 12/21/2014 12:58:30 AM EDT
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There is a cool story somewhere on the internet about someone stalling one trying to find a british RAF runway for a flyby.  Stalled it and lit the afterburner under 1000 feet as it dropped





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As a former SR-71 pilot, and a professional keynote speaker, the question I'm most often asked is "How fast would that SR-71 fly?" I can be assured of hearing that question several times at any event I attend. It's an interesting question, given the aircraft's proclivity for speed, but there really isn't one number to give, as the jet would always give you a little more speed if you wanted it to. It was common to see 35 miles a minute. Because we flew a programmed Mach number on most missions, and never wanted to harm the plane in any way, we never let it run out to any limits of temperature or speed. Thus, each SR-71 pilot had his own individual "high" speed that he saw at some point on some mission. I saw mine over Libya when Khadafy fired two missiles my way, and max power was in order. Let's just say that the plane truly loved speed and effortlessly took us to Mach numbers we hadn't previously seen.



So it was with great surprise, when at the end of one of my presentations, someone asked, "What was the slowest you ever flew in the Blackbird?" This was a first. After giving it some thought, I was reminded of a story that I had never shared before, and relayed the following.



I was flying the SR-71 out of RAF Mildenhall, England, with my back-seater, Walt Watson; we were returning from a mission over Europe and the Iron Curtain when we received a radio transmission from home base. As we scooted across Denmark in three minutes, we learned that a small RAF base in the English countryside had requested an SR-71 flypast. The air cadet commander there was a former Blackbird pilot, and thought it would be a motivating moment for the young lads to see the mighty SR-71 perform a low approach. No problem, we were happy to do it. After a quick aerial refueling over the North Sea, we proceeded to find the small airfield.



Walter had a myriad of sophisticated navigation equipment in the back seat, and began to vector me toward the field. Descending to subsonic speeds, we found ourselves over a densely wooded area in a slight haze. Like most former WWII British airfields, the one we were looking for had a small tower and little surrounding infrastructure. Walter told me we were close and that I should be able to see the field, but I saw nothing. Nothing but trees as far as I could see in the haze. We got a little lower, and I pulled the throttles back from the 325 knots we were at. With the gear up, anything under 275 was just uncomfortable. Walt said we were practically over the field—yet, there was nothing in my windscreen. I banked the jet and started a gentle circling maneuver in hopes of picking up anything that looked like a field.



Meanwhile, below, the cadet commander had taken the cadets up on the catwalk of the tower in order to get a prime view of the flypast. It was a quiet, still day with no wind and partial gray overcast. Walter continued to give me indications that the field should be below us, but in the overcast and haze, I couldn't see it. The longer we continued to peer out the window and circle, the slower we got. With our power back, the awaiting cadets heard nothing. I must have had good instructors in my flying career, as something told me I better cross-check the gauges. As I noticed the airspeed indicator slide below 160 knots, my heart stopped and my adrenalin-filled left hand pushed two throttles full forward. At this point, we weren't really flying, but were falling in a slight bank. Just at the moment that both afterburners lit with a thunderous roar of flame (and what a joyous feeling that was), the aircraft fell into full view of the shocked observers on the tower. Shattering the still quiet of that morning, they now had 107 feet of fire-breathing titanium in their face as the plane leveled and accelerated, in full burner, on the tower side of the infield, closer than expected, maintaining what could only be described as some sort of ultimate knife-edge pass.



Quickly reaching the field boundary, we proceeded back to Mildenhall without incident. We didn't say a word for those next 14 minutes. After landing, our commander greeted us, and we were both certain he was reaching for our wings. Instead, he heartily shook our hands and said the commander had told him it was the greatest SR-71 flypast he had ever seen, especially how we had surprised them with such a precise maneuver that could only be described as breathtaking. He said that some of the cadet's hats were blown off and the sight of the planform of the plane in full afterburner dropping right in front of them was unbelievable. Walt and I both understood the concept of "breathtaking" very well that morning, and sheepishly replied that they were just excited to see our low approach.



As we retired to the equipment room to change from space suits to flight suits, we just sat there—we hadn't spoken a word since "the pass." Finally, Walter looked at me and said, "One hundred fifty-six knots. What did you see?" Trying to find my voice, I stammered, "One hundred fifty-two." We sat in silence for a moment. Then Walt said, "Don't ever do that to me again!" And I never did.



A year later, Walter and I were having lunch in the Mildenhall Officer's Club, and overheard an officer talking to some cadets about an SR-71 flypast that he had seen one day. Of course, by now the story included kids falling off the tower and screaming as the heat of the jet singed their eyebrows. Noticing our HABU patches, as we stood there with lunch trays in our hands, he asked us to verify to the cadets that such a thing had occurred. Walt just shook his head and said, "It was probably just a routine low approach; they're pretty impressive in that plane." Impressive indeed.



Little did I realize after relaying this experience to my audience that day that it would become one of the most popular and most requested stories. It's ironic that people are interested in how slow the world's fastest jet can fly. Regardless of your speed, however, it's always a good idea to keep that cross-check up...and keep your Mach up, too.





 
That would have been utterly amazing to see.  
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Link Posted: 12/21/2014 2:18:19 AM EDT
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I never did get to see one fly..

However, I have sat in the cockpit of one while it was sitting in a museum, so I do have that going for me.
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I just started reading it. I usually can't make myself read a 'book' on a computer screen (I prefer text on paper, held in hand), but this one is proving to be a real page turner scroller. I'd still love to see a physical copy of it someday, I hear the book itself is a sight to behold.

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I just started reading it. I usually can't make myself read a 'book' on a computer screen (I prefer text on paper, held in hand), but this one is proving to be a real page turner scroller. I'd still love to see a physical copy of it someday, I hear the book itself is a sight to behold.

I'd also like to see an SR-71 in person someday .

Huntsville Space and Rocket Center. come on down
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I just started reading it. I usually can't make myself read a 'book' on a computer screen (I prefer text on paper, held in hand), but this one is proving to be a real page turner scroller. I'd still love to see a physical copy of it someday, I hear the book itself is a sight to behold.

I'd also like to see an SR-71 in person someday .

Huntsville Space and Rocket Center. come on down


Unfortunately, there are no SR-71's in the state of Alabama.  

There, however, more Blackbirds in AL than in any other state save the PRK.  AL was very lucky to not have lost one of their BBs for the CIA HQ bird.
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Also designed without computers. We as the human race have more technology now but we are dumber overall.

This is my favorite airplane. Mainly because my grandfather worked at Warner Robbins airforce base and I got to stand near one and listen to them fire one up
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From twinkle in eye to first flight, 4 years. 2 years later, in production and in use.

Meanwhile, the F-35 is going on what, 20 years? And it's not actually in use, and it's not going to set a lot of records.

Apples to ugly misshapen wildly overpriced oranges, I know. But I still think people were just plain smarter back then.



Also designed without computers. We as the human race have more technology now but we are dumber overall.

This is my favorite airplane. Mainly because my grandfather worked at Warner Robbins airforce base and I got to stand near one and listen to them fire one up


From concept to flying prototype in 4 years with slide rules and figuring out plane expands several feet with heat and the fuel tank only seals when that happens.  

I'm a Mechanical Engineer and there is no way we could do that today.
Link Posted: 12/21/2014 11:59:26 AM EDT
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You were blind the whole time?

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Titanium metallurgy isn't my field, but I suspect that chrome as a contaminate on titanium leads to embrittlement and cracking.
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Titanium metallurgy isn't my field, but I suspect that chrome as a contaminate on titanium leads to embrittlement and cracking.



Bingo

In Ben Rich's book Skunk Works, he also described issues with the machining process. Chlorine would wreak all sorts of havoc on the titanium plates they used, which they discovered when someone drew on a plate with a ball-point pen. And then they completely ripped their hair out when the municipality increased the chlorination in the water they were using to clean the plates.
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You could put out a campfire with that fuel.

You should see the stuff they used to light off the after burners
Link Posted: 12/21/2014 7:53:38 PM EDT
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A-12 Oxcart at

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Langley,+McLean,+VA+22101/@38.954092,-77.1467278,163m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89b7ca9c0bf2d09f:0x8fbe9d4f1524f01c
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While this statement is true, it's not the entire story:

Lockheed's original Blackbird, the A-12, first flew 25 April 1962, or 52 years, 7 months, 25 days ago.  There's not a whole lot of different between the two other than another seat and different camera orientation.

The main point is: it's been longer than 50 years.  
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The SR-71, an aircraft that first flew some 50 years ago next Monday, still holds the public's imagination like no other flying machine.
It could lob a couple of guys, some cameras, radars and jammers through the air at Mach 3.2.
Yet seeing it perform down-low at an air show was something akin to watching Darth Vader cook a turkey with force lightning then carve it with his lightsaber.
It was both awe inspiring and sort of awkward at the same time.

Although the Blackbird was a fairly maneuverable machine considering its intended purpose, it was not at home under 250 knots doing turns and low approaches in front of air show crowds.
Yet this is what made the jet so amazing to watch, the fact that this 107 foot long titanium jet-sled could still put on a show down in the thick air, and what a spectacle it was.


While this statement is true, it's not the entire story:

Lockheed's original Blackbird, the A-12, first flew 25 April 1962, or 52 years, 7 months, 25 days ago.  There's not a whole lot of different between the two other than another seat and different camera orientation.

The main point is: it's been longer than 50 years.  


The article is about the SR-71.

The fucking A-12 is not an SR-71.
I'll go to the pit and argue that point for a permaban any day of the week.
Link Posted: 12/22/2014 12:11:11 AM EDT
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http://defensetech.org/2012/05/31/cia-docs-the-difference-between-the-a-12-and-the-sr-71/

http://roadrunnersinternationale.com/a-12s.html

From the descriptions in Sled Driver and other writings, it sounds like the 2-man crew could both have a very high task loading.

I can't figure out whether the A12 pilots had bigger cojones to fly that solo, massive brains to handle the mental power, or both.
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The SR-71, an aircraft that first flew some 50 years ago next Monday, still holds the public's imagination like no other flying machine.
It could lob a couple of guys, some cameras, radars and jammers through the air at Mach 3.2.
Yet seeing it perform down-low at an air show was something akin to watching Darth Vader cook a turkey with force lightning then carve it with his lightsaber.
It was both awe inspiring and sort of awkward at the same time.

Although the Blackbird was a fairly maneuverable machine considering its intended purpose, it was not at home under 250 knots doing turns and low approaches in front of air show crowds.
Yet this is what made the jet so amazing to watch, the fact that this 107 foot long titanium jet-sled could still put on a show down in the thick air, and what a spectacle it was.


While this statement is true, it's not the entire story:

Lockheed's original Blackbird, the A-12, first flew 25 April 1962, or 52 years, 7 months, 25 days ago.  There's not a whole lot of different between the two other than another seat and different camera orientation.

The main point is: it's been longer than 50 years.  


The article is about the SR-71.

The fucking A-12 is not an SR-71.
I'll go to the pit and argue that point for a permaban any day of the week.



LarryG's  troll account ?    










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http://defensetech.org/2012/05/31/cia-docs-the-difference-between-the-a-12-and-the-sr-71/

http://roadrunnersinternationale.com/a-12s.html

From the descriptions in Sled Driver and other writings, it sounds like the 2-man crew could both have a very high task loading.

I can't figure out whether the A12 pilots had bigger cojones to fly that solo, massive brains to handle the mental power, or both.
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The fucking A-12 is not an SR-71.
I'll go to the pit and argue that point for a permaban any day of the week.


http://defensetech.org/2012/05/31/cia-docs-the-difference-between-the-a-12-and-the-sr-71/

http://roadrunnersinternationale.com/a-12s.html

From the descriptions in Sled Driver and other writings, it sounds like the 2-man crew could both have a very high task loading.

I can't figure out whether the A12 pilots had bigger cojones to fly that solo, massive brains to handle the mental power, or both.


The A-12 had a significantly different camera package, if memory serves.  As in simpler.
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From concept to flying prototype in 4 years with slide rules and figuring out plane expands several feet with heat and the fuel tank only seals when that happens.  

I'm a Mechanical Engineer and there is no way we could do that today.
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From twinkle in eye to first flight, 4 years. 2 years later, in production and in use.

Meanwhile, the F-35 is going on what, 20 years? And it's not actually in use, and it's not going to set a lot of records.

Apples to ugly misshapen wildly overpriced oranges, I know. But I still think people were just plain smarter back then.



Also designed without computers. We as the human race have more technology now but we are dumber overall.

This is my favorite airplane. Mainly because my grandfather worked at Warner Robbins airforce base and I got to stand near one and listen to them fire one up


From concept to flying prototype in 4 years with slide rules and figuring out plane expands several feet with heat and the fuel tank only seals when that happens.  

I'm a Mechanical Engineer and there is no way we could do that today.

You might want to go back to mechanical engineering school.
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From twinkle in eye to first flight, 4 years. 2 years later, in production and in use.



Meanwhile, the F-35 is going on what, 20 years? And it's not actually in use, and it's not going to set a lot of records.



Apples to ugly misshapen wildly overpriced oranges, I know. But I still think people were just plain smarter back then.







Also designed without computers. We as the human race have more technology now but we are dumber overall.



This is my favorite airplane. Mainly because my grandfather worked at Warner Robbins airforce base and I got to stand near one and listen to them fire one up




From concept to flying prototype in 4 years with slide rules and figuring out plane expands several feet with heat and the fuel tank only seals when that happens.  



I'm a Mechanical Engineer and there is no way we could do that today.





Are you sure about that?



http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/features/2013/sr-72.html



 
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Half a century old and still an awesome airplane.



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We can't even make a fighter jet that works or a rocket to put astronauts in space anymore.



 
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The A-12 had a significantly different camera package, if memory serves.  As in simpler.
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The article is about the SR-71.

The fucking A-12 is not an SR-71.
I'll go to the pit and argue that point for a permaban any day of the week.


http://defensetech.org/2012/05/31/cia-docs-the-difference-between-the-a-12-and-the-sr-71/

http://roadrunnersinternationale.com/a-12s.html

From the descriptions in Sled Driver and other writings, it sounds like the 2-man crew could both have a very high task loading.

I can't figure out whether the A12 pilots had bigger cojones to fly that solo, massive brains to handle the mental power, or both.


The A-12 had a significantly different camera package, if memory serves.  As in simpler.


That was another difference, the A-12's camera's were designed for direct overflight.  The SR's for sidelooking cameras.
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The article is about the SR-71.

The fucking A-12 is not an SR-71.
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http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-sr-71-blackbirds-air-show-demo-was-both-sinister-an-1672018211

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The SR-71, an aircraft that first flew some 50 years ago next Monday, still holds the public's imagination like no other flying machine.
It could lob a couple of guys, some cameras, radars and jammers through the air at Mach 3.2.
Yet seeing it perform down-low at an air show was something akin to watching Darth Vader cook a turkey with force lightning then carve it with his lightsaber.
It was both awe inspiring and sort of awkward at the same time.

Although the Blackbird was a fairly maneuverable machine considering its intended purpose, it was not at home under 250 knots doing turns and low approaches in front of air show crowds.
Yet this is what made the jet so amazing to watch, the fact that this 107 foot long titanium jet-sled could still put on a show down in the thick air, and what a spectacle it was.


While this statement is true, it's not the entire story:

Lockheed's original Blackbird, the A-12, first flew 25 April 1962, or 52 years, 7 months, 25 days ago.  There's not a whole lot of different between the two other than another seat and different camera orientation.

The main point is: it's been longer than 50 years.  


The article is about the SR-71.

The fucking A-12 is not an SR-71.
I'll go to the pit and argue that point for a permaban any day of the week.


Oh get over yourself.
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Unfortunately, there are no SR-71's in the state of Alabama.  

There, however, more Blackbirds in AL than in any other state save the PRK.  AL was very lucky to not have lost one of their BBs for the CIA HQ bird.
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Also a google search for Sled Driver PDF will yield results.

I just started reading it. I usually can't make myself read a 'book' on a computer screen (I prefer text on paper, held in hand), but this one is proving to be a real page turner scroller. I'd still love to see a physical copy of it someday, I hear the book itself is a sight to behold.

I'd also like to see an SR-71 in person someday .

Huntsville Space and Rocket Center. come on down


Unfortunately, there are no SR-71's in the state of Alabama.  

There, however, more Blackbirds in AL than in any other state save the PRK.  AL was very lucky to not have lost one of their BBs for the CIA HQ bird.



wow. you're right. had no idea a-12 vs sr-71

come to alabama to see an a-12! A-12
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And I just got back from visiting the Pima Air & Space Museum in Tucson yesterday. The SR-71 they have on display is touchable.  Took an old Korean war vet with me.  Good times.

There was too much to see in one day, so we will be back.

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I love that plane. The Pima Air & Space Museum is a great place.
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That looks like an album cover from some crappy 90's music.

But either way, the SR71 is a beast. It's crazy to think that they designed that plane using slide rules and long hand math. Never again will we see such feats of engieneering.

The commitee won't allow it..
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I'd also like to see an SR-71 in person someday .
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I'd also like to see an SR-71 in person someday .



The RS-71 (the original name...) can be found on display at the following locations:

http://www.sr-71.org/blackbird/locations.php
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Beautiful bird. I've never been fortunate enough to see one in person, and not to shit on this thread of a thing of beauty, but I had the great pleasure of having this view of this bird from the ground. Certainly not the wonderful 71 and and a vastly inferior piece of machinery, but impressive on takeoff nonetheless. Loud as hell.
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Wow, I've somehow never heard of that place. I'm definitely going there.
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I just started reading it. I usually can't make myself read a 'book' on a computer screen (I prefer text on paper, held in hand), but this one is proving to be a real page turner scroller. I'd still love to see a physical copy of it someday, I hear the book itself is a sight to behold.

I'd also like to see an SR-71 in person someday .


Go to the Kalamazoo Air Zoo

Wow, I've somehow never heard of that place. I'm definitely going there.


Go on a week day, and take a kid with you.
See if you and the kid can wear out the flight sims.

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Beautiful bird. I've never been fortunate enough to see one in person, and not to shit on this thread of a thing of beauty, but I had the great pleasure of having this view of this bird from the ground. Certainly not the wonderful 71 and and a vastly inferior piece of machinery, but impressive on takeoff nonetheless. Loud as hell.
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Inferior?  I wouldn't say that.

The Concorde was an absolutely awesome aircraft that shared many similar design features with the SR-71.  The Concorde also supercruised at 2.0M - something I don't see mentioned often.
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Interdasting.  Googling.
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From twinkle in eye to first flight, 4 years. 2 years later, in production and in use.



Meanwhile, the F-35 is going on what, 20 years? And it's not actually in use, and it's not going to set a lot of records.



Apples to ugly misshapen wildly overpriced oranges, I know. But I still think people were just plain smarter back then.



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Sure seems that way, they were a great generation!



 
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Titanium metallurgy isn't my field, but I suspect that chrome as a contaminate on titanium leads to embrittlement and cracking.
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         Why no chromium tools?  Concern of a spark with all that fuel dripping?



Titanium metallurgy isn't my field, but I suspect that chrome as a contaminate on titanium leads to embrittlement and cracking.


This.
It leads to stress corrosion cracks.
When on guy retired the new guy usually purchased his tools.

The mechanics owned all their own hand tools except for very specialized ones.

Senior Crown
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I just started reading it. I usually can't make myself read a 'book' on a computer screen (I prefer text on paper, held in hand), but this one is proving to be a real page turner scroller. I'd still love to see a physical copy of it someday, I hear the book itself is a sight to behold.
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Also a google search for Sled Driver PDF will yield results.




I just started reading it. I usually can't make myself read a 'book' on a computer screen (I prefer text on paper, held in hand), but this one is proving to be a real page turner scroller. I'd still love to see a physical copy of it someday, I hear the book itself is a sight to behold.
I'd also like to see an SR-71 in person someday .
Get your sorry ass on I-75 south, and go see one in Dayton, at the US Air Force Museum.



Give yourself two days to spend there, if possible.



2 days is perfect, 1 day will leave you wanting more.



The museum is AMAZING, and free, and puts most every other museum to shame, except the Smithsonians, and in some ways it still gives it a run for its money..



Anyone within several hours of this museum really needs to make a weekend of it.
yeah, that's a B-1 in the background.  And there's a B-2, and a B-58 in the same hangar.




 
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