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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:40:11 AM EDT
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Climbing while at a low speed may suggest that they are headed towards a stall? Similar to the Air France flight. All speculation at the moment though. It could mean that there's a dragon holding onto the plane Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://twitter.com/GerryS/status/549075001173766144 Apparently a leaked photo of the Air Traffic Control screen showing 36300 ft and climbing but only 353 knots. Apparently this is bad Why is that bad? With a lower speed he could be descending, maneuvering, climbing, etc. Granted, I believe that may be below the stall speed at that altitude. Climbing while at a low speed may suggest that they are headed towards a stall? Similar to the Air France flight. All speculation at the moment though. It could mean that there's a dragon holding onto the plane Did not see the climb info. I'll look again. ETA- I see the up arrow. Why are the posters thinking that is ground speed and not IAS? |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:41:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:41:46 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a crash (no idea how long ago) where .mil pilots or some shit went up to meet the airline when they stopped responding, and they saw all the oxygen masks had deployed but everybody was frozen? Or am I making that up? Payne Stewart, the golfer. Crash |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:43:01 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a crash (no idea how long ago) where .mil pilots or some shit went up to meet the airline when they stopped responding, and they saw all the oxygen masks had deployed but everybody was frozen? Or am I making that up? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Wasn't there a crash (no idea how long ago) where .mil pilots or some shit went up to meet the airline when they stopped responding, and they saw all the oxygen masks had deployed but everybody was frozen? Or am I making that up? Helios Airways 522 Two F-16 fighter aircraft from the Hellenic Air Force 111th Combat Wing were scrambled from Nea Anchialos Air Base to establish visual contact.[19] They intercepted the passenger jet at 11:24 and observed that the first officer was slumped motionless at the controls and the captain's seat was empty.[20] They also reported that oxygen masks were dangling in the passenger cabin.[18]
At 11:49, flight attendant Andreas Prodromou entered the cockpit and sat down in the captain's seat, having remained conscious by using a portable oxygen supply.[21][22] Prodromou held a UK Commercial Pilot License,[23] but was not qualified to fly the Boeing 737. Crash investigators concluded that Prodromou's experience was insufficient for him to gain control of the aircraft under the circumstances.[22] However, in any case, he did not have time to save the stricken aircraft. Almost as soon as he entered the cockpit, the left engine flamed out due to fuel exhaustion,[22] the plane left the holding pattern and started to descend.[24] Ten minutes after the loss of power from the left engine, the right engine also flamed out,[24] and just before 12:04 the aircraft crashed into hills near Grammatiko.[24] There were no survivors. Also has an Air Crash Investigations episode... 
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:45:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA!  Dude...Qantas is the 2nd oldest airline in the world and flies a ton of long haul, including the longest route in the world. It's a major airline, not an airline that specialises in short domestic trips. Seriously, lay off the weed. You are making an ass of yourself.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:47:23 AM EDT
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Pretty sure you are talking about the same France flight 447 that I was referring to. Auto-pilot turned off, and the pilot pulled up the stick and kept stalling out the engines until it was too late. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://twitter.com/GerryS/status/549075001173766144 Apparently a leaked photo of the Air Traffic Control screen showing 36300 ft and climbing but only 353 knots. Apparently this is bad Does that mean it went vertical really fast? I'm not an aviator but would guess that is not enough speed to maintain lift. Isn't that what happened to another scarebus that crashed in the ocean a few years ago? Pilot thought he was going much faster than reality? Pretty sure you are talking about the same France flight 447 that I was referring to. Auto-pilot turned off, and the pilot pulled up the stick and kept stalling out the engines until it was too late. That's essentially what happened, though the alarm system contributed to the problem. More important is that he should have lowered the nose because holding the stick back forever will make the plane stall and forever will only last as long as your altitude divided by your descent rate. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:48:01 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a crash (no idea how long ago) where .mil pilots or some shit went up to meet the airline when they stopped responding, and they saw all the oxygen masks had deployed but everybody was frozen? Or am I making that up? Helios Airways 522 Two F-16 fighter aircraft from the Hellenic Air Force 111th Combat Wing were scrambled from Nea Anchialos Air Base to establish visual contact.[19] They intercepted the passenger jet at 11:24 and observed that the first officer was slumped motionless at the controls and the captain's seat was empty.[20] They also reported that oxygen masks were dangling in the passenger cabin.[18]
At 11:49, flight attendant Andreas Prodromou entered the cockpit and sat down in the captain's seat, having remained conscious by using a portable oxygen supply.[21][22] Prodromou held a UK Commercial Pilot License,[23] but was not qualified to fly the Boeing 737. Crash investigators concluded that Prodromou's experience was insufficient for him to gain control of the aircraft under the circumstances.[22] However, in any case, he did not have time to save the stricken aircraft. Almost as soon as he entered the cockpit, the left engine flamed out due to fuel exhaustion,[22] the plane left the holding pattern and started to descend.[24] Ten minutes after the loss of power from the left engine, the right engine also flamed out,[24] and just before 12:04 the aircraft crashed into hills near Grammatiko.[24] There were no survivors. Also has an Air Crash Investigations episode... Damn, I wonder how many times this has happened? I only remember the one I posted because Payne Stewart died in it. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:48:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do. It costs more to park the car at the airport for 4 days than it does to fly from Darwin to Hong Kong return a lot of times. Those short trips in and around SE Asia are like the cost of a bus ticket with little to no margin for real profit.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The fact is AMERICA has the best all-around record for commercial flights in the world. You'd have to be really stupid to press your luck when it comes to flying. Or a communist. So go ahead and give me some fluffed up numbers from some other country with a better "flight record ".  My good friend and neighbor is a senior captain at AA, and he's retiring early because he says he doesn't know why the hell there aren't smoking holes in the ground every 60-90 days. He also doesn't allow his family to fly. The stories he's shared about how airlines actually run and some of his close calls are flat out horrifying.  Don't believe that for a second. I do. It costs more to park the car at the airport for 4 days than it does to fly from Darwin to Hong Kong return a lot of times. Those short trips in and around SE Asia are like the cost of a bus ticket with little to no margin for real profit. I flew in a flatbed on an Air Asia flight from Sydney to KL in June for about $350 one way. That's about the same price as Sydney to Tamworth (1hr flight via turboprop) via Qantaslink one way. I have no idea how they do it at that price, but I sure as fuck wasn't complaining when I was having a great sleep flying through the Asian Triangle.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:49:01 AM EDT
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Dude...Qantas is the 2nd oldest airline in the world and flies a ton of long haul, including the longest route in the world. It's a major airline, not an airline that specialises in short domestic trips. Seriously, lay off the weed. You are making an ass of yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA! Dude...Qantas is the 2nd oldest airline in the world and flies a ton of long haul, including the longest route in the world. It's a major airline, not an airline that specialises in short domestic trips. Seriously, lay off the weed. You are making an ass of yourself. Yeah but we got the ugliest stewardesses. Fuck me there's some scrubbers on those flights.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:49:07 AM EDT
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Dude...Qantas is the 2nd oldest airline in the world and flies a ton of long haul, including the longest route in the world. It's a major airline, not an airline that specialises in short domestic trips. Seriously, lay off the weed. You are making an ass of yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA! Dude...Qantas is the 2nd oldest airline in the world and flies a ton of long haul, including the longest route in the world. It's a major airline, not an airline that specialises in short domestic trips. Seriously, lay off the weed. You are making an ass of yourself. When I flew to Austrailia in 2001 those Qantas fuckers lost my luggage  . But they gave me like 200 dollars in Aussie bucks then delivered my luggage a day and a half later
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:49:13 AM EDT
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I wonder if weather/turbulance ripped it apart  Airbus has a track record of losing control surfaces. 
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:50:27 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a crash (no idea how long ago) where .mil pilots or some shit went up to meet the airline when they stopped responding, and they saw all the oxygen masks had deployed but everybody was frozen? Or am I making that up? Helios Airways 522 Two F-16 fighter aircraft from the Hellenic Air Force 111th Combat Wing were scrambled from Nea Anchialos Air Base to establish visual contact.[19] They intercepted the passenger jet at 11:24 and observed that the first officer was slumped motionless at the controls and the captain's seat was empty.[20] They also reported that oxygen masks were dangling in the passenger cabin.[18]
At 11:49, flight attendant Andreas Prodromou entered the cockpit and sat down in the captain's seat, having remained conscious by using a portable oxygen supply.[21][22] Prodromou held a UK Commercial Pilot License,[23] but was not qualified to fly the Boeing 737. Crash investigators concluded that Prodromou's experience was insufficient for him to gain control of the aircraft under the circumstances.[22] However, in any case, he did not have time to save the stricken aircraft. Almost as soon as he entered the cockpit, the left engine flamed out due to fuel exhaustion,[22] the plane left the holding pattern and started to descend.[24] Ten minutes after the loss of power from the left engine, the right engine also flamed out,[24] and just before 12:04 the aircraft crashed into hills near Grammatiko.[24] There were no survivors. Also has an Air Crash Investigations episode... That's it, thanks. Good memory. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:51:22 AM EDT
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA! Please list all the airlines you have flow on. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:51:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but we got the ugliest stewardesses. Fuck me there's some scrubbers on those flights. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA! Dude...Qantas is the 2nd oldest airline in the world and flies a ton of long haul, including the longest route in the world. It's a major airline, not an airline that specialises in short domestic trips. Seriously, lay off the weed. You are making an ass of yourself. Yeah but we got the ugliest stewardesses. Fuck me there's some scrubbers on those flights. Air Asia has some damn hot stewardesses. Same with Scoot Air. Apparently the young chicks who want to become stewardesses go through the low cost airlines to break into the industry. They get shit for pay in low cost airlines though. I sure as hell am not complaining.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:51:46 AM EDT
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Did not see the climb info. I'll look again. ETA- I see the up arrow. Why are the posters thinking that is ground speed and not IAS? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://twitter.com/GerryS/status/549075001173766144 Apparently a leaked photo of the Air Traffic Control screen showing 36300 ft and climbing but only 353 knots. Apparently this is bad Why is that bad? With a lower speed he could be descending, maneuvering, climbing, etc. Granted, I believe that may be below the stall speed at that altitude. Climbing while at a low speed may suggest that they are headed towards a stall? Similar to the Air France flight. All speculation at the moment though. It could mean that there's a dragon holding onto the plane Did not see the climb info. I'll look again. ETA- I see the up arrow. Why are the posters thinking that is ground speed and not IAS? We have controllers here who can answer, but I can't imagine why the ATC screen would show indicated airspeed. It can vary from the ground speed by fifty or more knots and it changes. Groundspeed will tell you where the plane will actually be in ten minutes. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:52:10 AM EDT
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Damn, I wonder how many times this has happened? I only remember the one I posted because Payne Stewart died in it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Helios Airways 522 Two F-16 fighter aircraft from the Hellenic Air Force 111th Combat Wing were scrambled from Nea Anchialos Air Base to establish visual contact.[19] They intercepted the passenger jet at 11:24 and observed that the first officer was slumped motionless at the controls and the captain's seat was empty.[20] They also reported that oxygen masks were dangling in the passenger cabin.[18]
At 11:49, flight attendant Andreas Prodromou entered the cockpit and sat down in the captain's seat, having remained conscious by using a portable oxygen supply.[21][22] Prodromou held a UK Commercial Pilot License,[23] but was not qualified to fly the Boeing 737. Crash investigators concluded that Prodromou's experience was insufficient for him to gain control of the aircraft under the circumstances.[22] However, in any case, he did not have time to save the stricken aircraft. Almost as soon as he entered the cockpit, the left engine flamed out due to fuel exhaustion,[22] the plane left the holding pattern and started to descend.[24] Ten minutes after the loss of power from the left engine, the right engine also flamed out,[24] and just before 12:04 the aircraft crashed into hills near Grammatiko.[24] There were no survivors. Also has an Air Crash Investigations episode... Damn, I wonder how many times this has happened? I only remember the one I posted because Payne Stewart died in it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Airliner_accidents_and_incidents_involving_in-flight_depressurization
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:52:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:53:38 AM EDT
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I flew in a flatbed on an Air Asia flight from Sydney to KL in June for about $350 one way. That's about the same price as Sydney to Tamworth (1hr flight via turboprop) via Qantaslink one way. I have no idea how they do it at that price, but I sure as fuck wasn't complaining when I was having a great sleep flying through the Asian Triangle. Ive flown from Melbourne to Darwin via Jakarta and stayed for 3 nights for $400 when the direct ticket was $420. Whatcha gonna do? 
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:56:29 AM EDT
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA! 
Quantas is huge. Fly globally sometime. 20th largest airline company in the world is nothing to sneeze at. They move about 26 million passengers a year. Sure, its not united. But they're bigger then JetBlue or frontier. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:59:01 AM EDT
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Helios Airways 522 Two F-16 fighter aircraft from the Hellenic Air Force 111th Combat Wing were scrambled from Nea Anchialos Air Base to establish visual contact.[19] They intercepted the passenger jet at 11:24 and observed that the first officer was slumped motionless at the controls and the captain's seat was empty.[20] They also reported that oxygen masks were dangling in the passenger cabin.[18]
At 11:49, flight attendant Andreas Prodromou entered the cockpit and sat down in the captain's seat, having remained conscious by using a portable oxygen supply.[21][22] Prodromou held a UK Commercial Pilot License,[23] but was not qualified to fly the Boeing 737. Crash investigators concluded that Prodromou's experience was insufficient for him to gain control of the aircraft under the circumstances.[22] However, in any case, he did not have time to save the stricken aircraft. Almost as soon as he entered the cockpit, the left engine flamed out due to fuel exhaustion,[22] the plane left the holding pattern and started to descend.[24] Ten minutes after the loss of power from the left engine, the right engine also flamed out,[24] and just before 12:04 the aircraft crashed into hills near Grammatiko.[24] There were no survivors. Also has an Air Crash Investigations episode... Damn, I wonder how many times this has happened? I only remember the one I posted because Payne Stewart died in it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Airliner_accidents_and_incidents_involving_in-flight_depressurization Awesome, thanks for the link. Its amazing some of those planes landed safely. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:59:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quantas is huge. Fly globally sometime. 20th largest airline company in the world is nothing to sneeze at. They move about 26 million passengers a year. Sure, its not united. But they're bigger then JetBlue or frontier. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA! Quantas is huge. Fly globally sometime. 20th largest airline company in the world is nothing to sneeze at. They move about 26 million passengers a year. Sure, its not united. But they're bigger then JetBlue or frontier. But who would want to leave the USA? USA! USA!
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:00:36 AM EDT
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Yeah I remember when they used to be hot. Now they are all 40+yr olds. Air Asia has some damn hot stewardesses. Same with Scoot Air. Apparently the young chicks who want to become stewardesses go through the low cost airlines to break into the industry. They get shit for pay in low cost airlines though. I sure as hell am not complaining. They struck a Union deal when the government sold its cut of the airline as part of the de-regulation. Other airlines just cull them when they put on weight. Stewardesses are paid like shit because they are so easily replaced by dipshits who buy into the "glamour" thing. Nothing glamorous about serving drinks to the stereotypical arsehole yank.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:01:21 AM EDT
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Pretty sure you are talking about the same France flight 447 that I was referring to. Auto-pilot turned off, and the pilot pulled up the stick and kept stalling out the engines until it was too late. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://twitter.com/GerryS/status/549075001173766144 Apparently a leaked photo of the Air Traffic Control screen showing 36300 ft and climbing but only 353 knots. Apparently this is bad Does that mean it went vertical really fast? I'm not an aviator but would guess that is not enough speed to maintain lift. Isn't that what happened to another scarebus that crashed in the ocean a few years ago? Pilot thought he was going much faster than reality? Pretty sure you are talking about the same France flight 447 that I was referring to. Auto-pilot turned off, and the pilot pulled up the stick and kept stalling out the engines until it was too late. Stalling lift on the wings, yes. Stalling engines, no. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:03:09 AM EDT
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Image: Vessel traffic area in region where AirAsia flight lost contact with air traffic control - @SatelliteAIS |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:03:59 AM EDT
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But who would want to leave the USA? USA! USA! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA!
Quantas is huge. Fly globally sometime. 20th largest airline company in the world is nothing to sneeze at. They move about 26 million passengers a year. Sure, its not united. But they're bigger then JetBlue or frontier. But who would want to leave the USA? USA! USA! Clearly I do. Land down under is one of my trips in the next two or three years. After the Bahamas every year as normal, going to Norway, and Canada for moose hunting. But yeah I get your point. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:04:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They struck a Union deal when the government sold its cut of the airline as part of the de-regulation. Other airlines just cull them when they put on weight. Stewardesses are paid like shit because they are so easily replaced by dipshits who buy into the "glamour" thing. Nothing glamorous about serving drinks to the stereotypical arsehole yank. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah I remember when they used to be hot. Now they are all 40+yr olds. Air Asia has some damn hot stewardesses. Same with Scoot Air. Apparently the young chicks who want to become stewardesses go through the low cost airlines to break into the industry. They get shit for pay in low cost airlines though. I sure as hell am not complaining. They struck a Union deal when the government sold its cut of the airline as part of the de-regulation. Other airlines just cull them when they put on weight. Stewardesses are paid like shit because they are so easily replaced by dipshits who buy into the "glamour" thing. Nothing glamorous about serving drinks to the stereotypical arsehole yank. Damn unions! I have a friend who used to work for Emirates. She hated it. Joined to see the world while getting paid but passengers (especially Arabs) just abuse stewardesses and treat them like dirt. That and Arabs treat tall blonde Aussie girls like something they can buy in Dubai.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:05:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:06:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Clearly I do. Land down under is one of my trips in the next two or three years. After the Bahamas every year as normal, going to Norway, and Canada for moose hunting. But yeah I get your point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA! Quantas is huge. Fly globally sometime. 20th largest airline company in the world is nothing to sneeze at. They move about 26 million passengers a year. Sure, its not united. But they're bigger then JetBlue or frontier. But who would want to leave the USA? USA! USA! Clearly I do. Land down under is one of my trips in the next two or three years. After the Bahamas every year as normal, going to Norway, and Canada for moose hunting. But yeah I get your point. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:06:39 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a crash (no idea how long ago) where .mil pilots or some shit went up to meet the airline when they stopped responding, and they saw all the oxygen masks had deployed but everybody was frozen? Or am I making that up? Helios Airways 522 Two F-16 fighter aircraft from the Hellenic Air Force 111th Combat Wing were scrambled from Nea Anchialos Air Base to establish visual contact.[19] They intercepted the passenger jet at 11:24 and observed that the first officer was slumped motionless at the controls and the captain's seat was empty.[20] They also reported that oxygen masks were dangling in the passenger cabin.[18]
At 11:49, flight attendant Andreas Prodromou entered the cockpit and sat down in the captain's seat, having remained conscious by using a portable oxygen supply.[21][22] Prodromou held a UK Commercial Pilot License,[23] but was not qualified to fly the Boeing 737. Crash investigators concluded that Prodromou's experience was insufficient for him to gain control of the aircraft under the circumstances.[22] However, in any case, he did not have time to save the stricken aircraft. Almost as soon as he entered the cockpit, the left engine flamed out due to fuel exhaustion,[22] the plane left the holding pattern and started to descend.[24] Ten minutes after the loss of power from the left engine, the right engine also flamed out,[24] and just before 12:04 the aircraft crashed into hills near Grammatiko.[24] There were no survivors. Also has an Air Crash Investigations episode... Wow shit deal a pilot but still couldn't do anything. Wonder if he had blacked for a long period and happen to wake up shame he didn't have more time |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:09:58 AM EDT
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Dude...Qantas is the 2nd oldest airline in the world and flies a ton of long haul, including the longest route in the world. It's a major airline, not an airline that specialises in short domestic trips. Seriously, lay off the weed. You are making an ass of yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA! Dude...Qantas is the 2nd oldest airline in the world and flies a ton of long haul, including the longest route in the world. It's a major airline, not an airline that specialises in short domestic trips. Seriously, lay off the weed. You are making an ass of yourself. I don't smoke anything but fine, aged cigars. So maybe they are almost equal to American flight standards, I don't know, I guess they would be my preferred carrier over there. But still: USA! USA! USA
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:10:05 AM EDT
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA!
Quantas is huge. Fly globally sometime. 20th largest airline company in the world is nothing to sneeze at. They move about 26 million passengers a year. Sure, its not united. But they're bigger then JetBlue or frontier. But who would want to leave the USA? USA! USA! Clearly I do. Land down under is one of my trips in the next two or three years. After the Bahamas every year as normal, going to Norway, and Canada for moose hunting. But yeah I get your point. American, United, SouthWest, Delta Are the top 4.... By a lot. But that's kinda to be expected. But again, Qantas is nothing to sneeze at. My parents flew them all over Australia when they were there for two months. ... as well, foreign airliners are typically much more comfortable then US ones. Just saying. British airways 747 was one of the nicest planes I've ever been on. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:14:12 AM EDT
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA! Please list all the airlines you have flow on. Lots. Too many to remember. Why? |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:14:43 AM EDT
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Damn unions! I have a friend who used to work for Emirates. She hated it. Joined to see the world while getting paid but passengers (especially Arabs) just abuse stewardesses and treat them like dirt. That and Arabs treat tall blonde Aussie girls like something they can buy in Dubai. To be fair ALOT of stewardesses do moonlight in prostitution in Dubai and make a killing! |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:15:48 AM EDT
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Dibs on Freckles Dammit! Guess I'm gonna have to go look for that french woman then..... |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:16:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryApparently a leaked photo of the Air Traffic Control screen showing 36300 ft and climbing but only 353 knots. Apparently this is bad |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:19:15 AM EDT
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Quantas is huge. Fly globally sometime. 20th largest airline company in the world is nothing to sneeze at. They move about 26 million passengers a year. Sure, its not united. But they're bigger then JetBlue or frontier. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA!
Quantas is huge. Fly globally sometime. 20th largest airline company in the world is nothing to sneeze at. They move about 26 million passengers a year. Sure, its not united. But they're bigger then JetBlue or frontier. Hell, I think my local Southwest Airlines has bigger numbers than that!
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:19:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A little more complex than that, but yeah. He and the pilot were essentially fighting each other, without realizing it. That's my understanding. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wasn't there a France Airbus flight that crashed over the ocean because of a co-pilot that didn't know how to fly in bad weather with Autopilot turned off? A little more complex than that, but yeah. He and the pilot were essentially fighting each other, without realizing it. That's my understanding. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:20:37 AM EDT
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Lots. Too many to remember. Why? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA! Please list all the airlines you have flow on. Lots. Too many to remember. Why? I would shut up while your ignorance can still be kept under the radar
BTW QANTAS used to build their own planes before United was even thought of. Its not a fly by night company. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:22:32 AM EDT
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Never mind me. I'm just imitating our friend over there who keeps chanting USA! USA! about damn near everything and insisting everything American is the best Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA!
Quantas is huge. Fly globally sometime. 20th largest airline company in the world is nothing to sneeze at. They move about 26 million passengers a year. Sure, its not united. But they're bigger then JetBlue or frontier. But who would want to leave the USA? USA! USA! Clearly I do. Land down under is one of my trips in the next two or three years. After the Bahamas every year as normal, going to Norway, and Canada for moose hunting. But yeah I get your point. But it's true. Dan dude, lighten up. I'm just ribbing ya! Besides everyone in the whole wide world knows we're #1
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:22:39 AM EDT
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Wow shit deal a pilot but still couldn't do anything. Wonder if he had blacked for a long period and happen to wake up shame he didn't have more time Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Helios Airways 522 Two F-16 fighter aircraft from the Hellenic Air Force 111th Combat Wing were scrambled from Nea Anchialos Air Base to establish visual contact.[19] They intercepted the passenger jet at 11:24 and observed that the first officer was slumped motionless at the controls and the captain's seat was empty.[20] They also reported that oxygen masks were dangling in the passenger cabin.[18]
At 11:49, flight attendant Andreas Prodromou entered the cockpit and sat down in the captain's seat, having remained conscious by using a portable oxygen supply.[21][22] Prodromou held a UK Commercial Pilot License,[23] but was not qualified to fly the Boeing 737. Crash investigators concluded that Prodromou's experience was insufficient for him to gain control of the aircraft under the circumstances.[22] However, in any case, he did not have time to save the stricken aircraft. Almost as soon as he entered the cockpit, the left engine flamed out due to fuel exhaustion,[22] the plane left the holding pattern and started to descend.[24] Ten minutes after the loss of power from the left engine, the right engine also flamed out,[24] and just before 12:04 the aircraft crashed into hills near Grammatiko.[24] There were no survivors. Also has an Air Crash Investigations episode... Wow shit deal a pilot but still couldn't do anything. Wonder if he had blacked for a long period and happen to wake up shame he didn't have more time The ACI episode indicated that 3 out of 4 portable oxygen tanks (with ~1hr capacity) appeared to have been used; likely by Prodromou. Ghost Plane - Helios 522 |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:24:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Airbus has a track record of losing control surfaces. http://www.yachtsurvey.com/composite_rudder-2.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder if weather/turbulance ripped it apart Airbus has a track record of losing control surfaces. http://www.yachtsurvey.com/composite_rudder-2.JPG |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:24:56 AM EDT
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I would shut up while your ignorance can still be kept under the radar
BTW QANTAS used to build their own planes before United was even thought of. Its not a fly by night company. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA! Please list all the airlines you have flow on. Lots. Too many to remember. Why? I would shut up while your ignorance can still be kept under the radar
BTW QANTAS used to build their own planes before United was even thought of. Its not a fly by night company. Please see my above post... 
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:25:53 AM EDT
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The aircraft would not let the pilots fly it, not tell them the problem. Airbus does not trust pilots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wasn't there a France Airbus flight that crashed over the ocean because of a co-pilot that didn't know how to fly in bad weather with Autopilot turned off? A little more complex than that, but yeah. He and the pilot were essentially fighting each other, without realizing it. That's my understanding. The aircraft would not let the pilots fly it, not tell them the problem. Airbus does not trust pilots. If you're talking about AF 447, the auto-pilot kicked off and the co-pilot was causing the stalll by pulling back on the stick practically the whole way down. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:27:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:27:22 AM EDT
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The AA flight that crashed right after 9-11 was due to loss of rudder also. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if weather/turbulance ripped it apart Airbus has a track record of losing control surfaces. http://www.yachtsurvey.com/composite_rudder-2.JPG I remember hearing that, keep forgetting to look into it. I heard a few theories about a 'shoe bomber' that succeeded. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:28:12 AM EDT
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Lots. Too many to remember. Why? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA! Please list all the airlines you have flow on. Lots. Too many to remember. Why? Because I'm interested in your vast experiance traveling domestic on US carriers and international travel on both foreign and US carriers. "too many to remember" huh? I fly all the time, all over and I can tell you every airline I've flown. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:37:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're talking about AF 447, the auto-pilot kicked off and the co-pilot was causing the stalll by pulling back on the stick practically the whole way down. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wasn't there a France Airbus flight that crashed over the ocean because of a co-pilot that didn't know how to fly in bad weather with Autopilot turned off? A little more complex than that, but yeah. He and the pilot were essentially fighting each other, without realizing it. That's my understanding. The aircraft would not let the pilots fly it, not tell them the problem. Airbus does not trust pilots. If you're talking about AF 447, the auto-pilot kicked off and the co-pilot was causing the stalll by pulling back on the stick practically the whole way down. Radar Altimeter Artificial Horizon Flight Computers Any of the above should have provided the FO a clue, In an Airbus the computers fly the plane, and if they have not expected the problem like Pitot ice then the plane will give the pilots a wrong answer. It will also prevent full travel of control surfaces, Boeing last I heard still allows the pilots to use the full limits of available controls.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:39:42 AM EDT
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Lots. Too many to remember. Why? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA! Please list all the airlines you have flow on. Lots. Too many to remember. Why? Better quit while you're behind sport. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:43:46 AM EDT
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Hell, I think my local Southwest Airlines has bigger numbers than that! While we are talking numbers. Australia. 226 years old and still a sovereign state. Texas. Lasted for about 10 years and a non-functional failed state. Even Sierra Leone laughs at you.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 4:02:40 AM EDT
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Report will say that it actually flew to the Southern Indian Ocean.
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