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Posted: 1/3/2015 9:49:28 AM EDT
Maybe a silly question but I wondering if anyone has any numbers on the furthest confirmed kill with a standard issue M4?
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Posted: 12/30/2014 10:49:31 AM EDT
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this needs to be in GD
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Posted: 12/30/2014 12:07:51 PM EDT
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On Army ranges, pop ups get killed at 300M on a regular basis.
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Posted: 12/30/2014 12:09:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: On Army ranges, pop ups get killed at 300M on a regular basis. 500m for the branches that can shoot
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Posted: 12/30/2014 12:46:23 PM EDT
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I bang the gong with my M4 at 500Y. No sand bags or bipod. 4x scope.
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Posted: 12/30/2014 2:48:51 PM EDT
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On Army ranges, pop ups get killed at 300M on a regular basis. 500m for the branches that can shoot
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Posted: 12/30/2014 4:32:45 PM EDT
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On Army ranges, pop ups get killed at 300M on a regular basis. 500m for the branches that can shoot
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Posted: 12/31/2014 7:33:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: On Army ranges, pop ups get killed at 300M on a regular basis. 500m for the branches that can shoot The standard qualification for the ARMY is 300M for stand alone targets but we always shot out to 600M every time we went to the range for pop-up target qualification! At least way back when I was in the ARMY! Never had a problem hitting the pop-up targets at 600M! Oh yea, that's with iron sites too! |
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Posted: 12/31/2014 8:01:02 PM EDT
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I bang the gong with my M4 at 500Y. No sand bags or bipod. 4x scope. I wouldn't even be able to see the gong at that distance. Maybe with a 12x scope |
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Posted: 12/31/2014 8:06:29 PM EDT
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Confirmed Kills....
 
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Posted: 12/31/2014 8:29:41 PM EDT
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I shot a armadillo at 25 yards at night. Does that count?
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Posted: 1/1/2015 1:25:04 PM EDT
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Hitting pop ups at 800m with an acog was easy enough. Ild be impressed with anything even half that distance on a moving shooting and cover utilizing enemy.
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Posted: 1/3/2015 1:12:59 AM EDT
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I shot a armadillo at 25 yards at night. Does that count? Only if it is confirmed. 
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Posted: 1/3/2015 9:49:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: this needs to be in GD I agree |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 9:52:10 AM EDT
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Whats a confirmed kill?
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Posted: 1/3/2015 9:55:01 AM EDT
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Hitting pop ups at 800m with an acog was easy enough. Ild be impressed with anything even half that distance on a moving shooting and cover utilizing enemy. I know of 740 meter hit that caused the death of a Taliban with BLT 1/6 in 04 with an M4. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 9:55:22 AM EDT
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Whats a confirmed kill? A movie-ism. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 9:56:06 AM EDT
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The standard qualification for the ARMY is 300M for stand alone targets but we always shot out to 600M every time we went to the range for pop-up target qualification! At least way back when I was in the ARMY! Never had a problem hitting the pop-up targets at 600M! Oh yea, that's with iron sites too! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On Army ranges, pop ups get killed at 300M on a regular basis. 500m for the branches that can shoot The standard qualification for the ARMY is 300M for stand alone targets but we always shot out to 600M every time we went to the range for pop-up target qualification! At least way back when I was in the ARMY! Never had a problem hitting the pop-up targets at 600M! Oh yea, that's with iron sites too! At Benning in the early 80's the farthest pop up was 300meters but the Army had a new qualification course set up. Mobile pop up (Russian soldier holding AK47's) targets from 10m to 300m. We got 90 rounds and had to make 45 hits. Semi or auto with the M16A1. Each impact scored a hit. One guy went Rock and Roll on the 10m target for 28 hits. Lol Is the range still around? |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:02:58 AM EDT
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I shot a armadillo at 25 yards at night. Does that count? Was it in a high wind? |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:10:46 AM EDT
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At Benning in the early 80's the farthest pop up was 300meters but the Army had a new qualification course set up. Mobile pop up (Russian soldier holding AK47's) targets from 10m to 300m. We got 90 rounds and had to make 45 hits. Semi or auto with the M16A1. Each impact scored a hit. One guy went Rock and Roll on the 10m target for 28 hits. Lol Is the range still around? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On Army ranges, pop ups get killed at 300M on a regular basis. 500m for the branches that can shoot The standard qualification for the ARMY is 300M for stand alone targets but we always shot out to 600M every time we went to the range for pop-up target qualification! At least way back when I was in the ARMY! Never had a problem hitting the pop-up targets at 600M! Oh yea, that's with iron sites too! At Benning in the early 80's the farthest pop up was 300meters but the Army had a new qualification course set up. Mobile pop up (Russian soldier holding AK47's) targets from 10m to 300m. We got 90 rounds and had to make 45 hits. Semi or auto with the M16A1. Each impact scored a hit. One guy went Rock and Roll on the 10m target for 28 hits. Lol Is the range still around? It is. That range is fun and hell. When my unit was testing the LSAT, we went there with 25,000 rounds, 8 guns and 10 shooters. They had every target on the field up and running as a free-fire zone. It was glorious. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:12:05 AM EDT
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I know of 740 meter hit that caused the death of a Taliban with BLT 1/6 in 04 with an M4. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hitting pop ups at 800m with an acog was easy enough. Ild be impressed with anything even half that distance on a moving shooting and cover utilizing enemy. I know of 740 meter hit that caused the death of a Taliban with BLT 1/6 in 04 with an M4. Was it the bacon or tomato that got him? How does one launch a sandwich fast enought to kill some one? |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:12:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When my unit was testing the LSAT How was that?
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:13:05 AM EDT
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It is. That range is fun and hell. When my unit was testing the LSAT, we went there with 25,000 rounds, 8 guns and 10 shooters. They had every target on the field up and running as a free-fire zone. It was glorious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On Army ranges, pop ups get killed at 300M on a regular basis. 500m for the branches that can shoot The standard qualification for the ARMY is 300M for stand alone targets but we always shot out to 600M every time we went to the range for pop-up target qualification! At least way back when I was in the ARMY! Never had a problem hitting the pop-up targets at 600M! Oh yea, that's with iron sites too! At Benning in the early 80's the farthest pop up was 300meters but the Army had a new qualification course set up. Mobile pop up (Russian soldier holding AK47's) targets from 10m to 300m. We got 90 rounds and had to make 45 hits. Semi or auto with the M16A1. Each impact scored a hit. One guy went Rock and Roll on the 10m target for 28 hits. Lol Is the range still around? It is. That range is fun and hell. When my unit was testing the LSAT, we went there with 25,000 rounds, 8 guns and 10 shooters. They had every target on the field up and running as a free-fire zone. It was glorious. Perfect ratio for a great time. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:17:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A movie-ism. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Whats a confirmed kill? A movie-ism. More like an anachronism. They literally did body counts in Vietnam and reported enemy kills as probables and confirmed. Under Westmorland it was a key metric for measuring progress in the war. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:22:04 AM EDT
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How was that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When my unit was testing the LSAT How was that? I keep saying I'm going to find my photos and start a thread all about the LSAT but then life gets in the way and I forget. I'm going to find them tonight after work and finally do it, so keep an eye out. In short, it's awesome and will be the next SAW for the military. They're even working on an M4 upper that uses the same ammo, and a 7.62 version. From what the tech guys told me, I have more rounds through the LSAT than anyone on earth outside of the design team. I spent about 8 months in total testing it, with over 200,000 rounds between blank and live. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:23:13 AM EDT
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More like an anachronism. They literally did body counts in Vietnam and reported enemy kills as probables and confirmed. Under Westmorland it was a key metric for measuring progress in the war. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whats a confirmed kill? A movie-ism. More like an anachronism. They literally did body counts in Vietnam and reported enemy kills as probables and confirmed. Under Westmorland it was a key metric for measuring progress in the war. We still do it as part of BDA, even taught to forwards observers as the S (surveillance) in RREMS. However we don't call confirmed kills. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:23:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I keep saying I'm going to find my photos and start a thread all about the LSAT but then life gets in the way and I forget. I'm going to find them tonight after work and finally do it, so keep an eye out. In short, it's awesome and will be the next SAW for the military. They're even working on an M4 upper that uses the same ammo, and a 7.62 version. From what the tech guys told me, I have more rounds through the LSAT than anyone on earth outside of the design team. I spent about 8 months in total testing it, with over 200,000 rounds between blank and live. Neat. Seems like a cool idea. Find the pics!
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:25:23 AM EDT
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about 25m, it loses FPS and ballistic potential after that and can't inflict fatal wounds.
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:27:30 AM EDT
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I dunno but an A2 got a 600 yd counter sniper kill in Panama
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:28:05 AM EDT
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I leaned out the window of my T16 back home and got a whomp rat once....
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:30:44 AM EDT
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The standard qualification for the ARMY is 300M for stand alone targets but we always shot out to 600M every time we went to the range for pop-up target qualification! At least way back when I was in the ARMY! Never had a problem hitting the pop-up targets at 600M! Oh yea, that's with iron sites too! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On Army ranges, pop ups get killed at 300M on a regular basis. 500m for the branches that can shoot The standard qualification for the ARMY is 300M for stand alone targets but we always shot out to 600M every time we went to the range for pop-up target qualification! At least way back when I was in the ARMY! Never had a problem hitting the pop-up targets at 600M! Oh yea, that's with iron sites too! Things have changed over the years. Back in the day we qualified on pop up targets from 50-300m. Anything at 600m was considered area fire. This was 87-91 with M16a2. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:31:03 AM EDT
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I know of 740 meter hit that caused the death of a Taliban with BLT 1/6 in 04 with an M4. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hitting pop ups at 800m with an acog was easy enough. Ild be impressed with anything even half that distance on a moving shooting and cover utilizing enemy. I know of 740 meter hit that caused the death of a Taliban with BLT 1/6 in 04 with an M4. And 2010. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:33:02 AM EDT
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And 2010. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hitting pop ups at 800m with an acog was easy enough. Ild be impressed with anything even half that distance on a moving shooting and cover utilizing enemy. I know of 740 meter hit that caused the death of a Taliban with BLT 1/6 in 04 with an M4. And 2010. That was with 22 MEU and verified with a PTS-180 Viper. Your BLT killed more people than when 22 MEU did 4 years prior. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:33:16 AM EDT
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"Confirmed kill" is a fucking hollywood bullshit thing that is made up. There is no such thing in the military.
Unless it's just a informal "Hey my buddy saw me shoot my rifle and watched my bullet drop a bad guy" kind of thing. I want to kick puppies when people ask about "what's the longest confirmed killed?".  |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:34:26 AM EDT
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238,854.98 miles.
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:34:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Maybe a silly question but I wondering if anyone has any numbers on the furthest confirmed kill with a standard issue M4? Soldiers and Marines in combat don't really spend a lot of time "confirming" kills or precisely measuring off distances when they are sure they (and they alone) shot someone. There's no Boone and Crockett Club. Any claim would be a claim. "Gee Joe, that guy shooting had to be 750 meters away when you fired that single shot that apparently killed him while all the rest of us just sat on our hands, unsure of what to do! I'm glad the whole convoy didn't unload on him with SAWs, machine guns, grenade launchers and massed rifle fire so you get that record!" |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:34:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/3/2015 10:56:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Soldiers and Marines in combat don't really spend a lot of time "confirming" kills or precisely measuring off distances when they are sure they (and they alone) shot someone. There's no Boone and Crockett Club. Any claim would be a claim. "Gee Joe, that guy shooting had to be 750 meters away when you fired that single shot that apparently killed him while all the rest of us just sat on our hands, unsure of what to do! I'm glad the whole convoy didn't unload on him with SAWs, machine guns, grenade launchers and massed rifle fire so you get that record!" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maybe a silly question but I wondering if anyone has any numbers on the furthest confirmed kill with a standard issue M4? Soldiers and Marines in combat don't really spend a lot of time "confirming" kills or precisely measuring off distances when they are sure they (and they alone) shot someone. There's no Boone and Crockett Club. Any claim would be a claim. "Gee Joe, that guy shooting had to be 750 meters away when you fired that single shot that apparently killed him while all the rest of us just sat on our hands, unsure of what to do! I'm glad the whole convoy didn't unload on him with SAWs, machine guns, grenade launchers and massed rifle fire so you get that record!" I really LOL'd at that. Because I get that question all the freaking time, they ask if I killled anyone. Ugh. Okay, yes I did fire my rifle, but several other guys were shooting too. It's not like a movie where you are the only one shooting and you watch the guy down when you press the trigger. I have no clue if people who died were a result of my bullets because several other guys were getting all trigger happy at the same time as me.
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:00:47 AM EDT
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Love the idea of some Joe actually pacing off the distance to the corpse!
You know how they say there are no stupid questions? They lied. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:02:16 AM EDT
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Maybe a silly question but I wondering if anyone has any numbers on the furthest confirmed kill with a standard issue M4? If you look in the green all weather confirmed kill notebook you will see that I, yes yours truly has the longest M4 kill @ 87 yards |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:04:15 AM EDT
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When my unit was testing the LSAT I'm picturing a battalion of law students. ETA: First year. 
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:05:04 AM EDT
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"Confirmed kill" is a fucking hollywood bullshit thing that is made up. There is no such thing in the military. Unless it's just a informal "Hey my buddy saw me shoot my rifle and watched my bullet drop a bad guy" kind of thing. I want to kick puppies when people ask about "what's the longest confirmed killed?".
So what is the official military wording? Chris Kyle is the deadliest sniper in American history. How would they know that unless they confirmed his kills? |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:06:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what is the official military wording? Chris Kyle is the deadliest sniper in American history. How would they know that unless they confirmed his kills? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Confirmed kill" is a fucking hollywood bullshit thing that is made up. There is no such thing in the military. Unless it's just a informal "Hey my buddy saw me shoot my rifle and watched my bullet drop a bad guy" kind of thing. I want to kick puppies when people ask about "what's the longest confirmed killed?". So what is the official military wording? Chris Kyle is the deadliest sniper in American history. How would they know that unless they confirmed his kills? He was selling a damn book. And alot of his shit is nebulous and sketchy. ETA: And his fellow SEALs aren't going to call him out and a liar. Why? Because he's a real SEAL and his stories just add further mystique and legendary status to them. So it's a win/win for them. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:09:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
So what is the official military wording? Chris Kyle is the deadliest sniper in American history. How would they know that unless they confirmed his kills? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Confirmed kill" is a fucking hollywood bullshit thing that is made up. There is no such thing in the military. Unless it's just a informal "Hey my buddy saw me shoot my rifle and watched my bullet drop a bad guy" kind of thing. I want to kick puppies when people ask about "what's the longest confirmed killed?".
So what is the official military wording? Chris Kyle is the deadliest sniper in American history. How would they know that unless they confirmed his kills? As stated you still send up a BDA which I am sure is much easier for snipers as they usually have specific targets especially where he worked. Much harder to "confirm" kills in a firefight where people may be seriously wounded and get away but later die or if. Things get real nasty you just estimate the BDA and Continue your mission or fall back, which gets been more complicated of you have your own people wounded or killed. Once that happens the entire mission changes and no one gives a fuck about how many enemy were killed. So. TL:DR kills are SOMETIMES counted if the terrain/situation allows but 8/10. They aren't. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:17:59 AM EDT
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He was selling a damn book. And alot of his shit is nebulous and sketchy. ETA: And his fellow SEALs aren't going to call him out and a liar. Why? Because he's a real SEAL and his stories just add further mystique and legendary status to them. So it's a win/win for them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Confirmed kill" is a fucking hollywood bullshit thing that is made up. There is no such thing in the military. Unless it's just a informal "Hey my buddy saw me shoot my rifle and watched my bullet drop a bad guy" kind of thing. I want to kick puppies when people ask about "what's the longest confirmed killed?".
So what is the official military wording? Chris Kyle is the deadliest sniper in American history. How would they know that unless they confirmed his kills? He was selling a damn book. And alot of his shit is nebulous and sketchy. ETA: And his fellow SEALs aren't going to call him out and a liar. Why? Because he's a real SEAL and his stories just add further mystique and legendary status to them. So it's a win/win for them. The same with Carlos Hathcock? You'd be suprised at what a modern sniper/ DM carry on them such as a lazor range finder and shit like that. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:21:14 AM EDT
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I shot a armadillo at 25 yards at night. Does that count? I call BS.... We all know a .223 will bounce off the shell of an armadillo like a .38 special bounces off a windshield...
Seriously, armadillos are crazy little fuckers. Shot at one and it jumped 3 feet in the air straight up. Turns out it is a defense mechanism. Who would have guessed it. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:23:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The same with Carlos Hathcock? You'd be suprised at what a modern sniper/ DM carry on them such as a lazor range finder and shit like that. Yeah? We had a MELIOS for ranging sectors of fire. We didn't have a "confirmed kill" column on our range cards. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:24:14 AM EDT
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My buddy in the USMC got a kill at 800. They were able to get the dude and run him in bats too.
M4 with rco and m855... upper torso lung/ spine hit. I was impressed. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:28:19 AM EDT
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I really LOL'd at that. Because I get that question all the freaking time, they ask if I killled anyone. Ugh. Okay, yes I did fire my rifle, but several other guys were shooting too. It's not like a movie where you are the only one shooting and you watch the guy down when you press the trigger. I have no clue if people who died were a result of my bullets because several other guys were getting all trigger happy at the same time as me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe a silly question but I wondering if anyone has any numbers on the furthest confirmed kill with a standard issue M4? Soldiers and Marines in combat don't really spend a lot of time "confirming" kills or precisely measuring off distances when they are sure they (and they alone) shot someone. There's no Boone and Crockett Club. Any claim would be a claim. "Gee Joe, that guy shooting had to be 750 meters away when you fired that single shot that apparently killed him while all the rest of us just sat on our hands, unsure of what to do! I'm glad the whole convoy didn't unload on him with SAWs, machine guns, grenade launchers and massed rifle fire so you get that record!" I really LOL'd at that. Because I get that question all the freaking time, they ask if I killled anyone. Ugh. Okay, yes I did fire my rifle, but several other guys were shooting too. It's not like a movie where you are the only one shooting and you watch the guy down when you press the trigger. I have no clue if people who died were a result of my bullets because several other guys were getting all trigger happy at the same time as me. I guess I'll never get the part about people asking .mil guys if they killed someone. I know lots of .mil guys and that's the one question I've never asked. Asked tons of others but not that one. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:30:06 AM EDT
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So what is the official military wording? Chris Kyle is the deadliest sniper in American history. How would they know that unless they confirmed his kills? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Confirmed kill" is a fucking hollywood bullshit thing that is made up. There is no such thing in the military. Unless it's just a informal "Hey my buddy saw me shoot my rifle and watched my bullet drop a bad guy" kind of thing. I want to kick puppies when people ask about "what's the longest confirmed killed?".
So what is the official military wording? Chris Kyle is the deadliest sniper in American history. How would they know that unless they confirmed his kills? There really is not other than X KIA or estimated X KIA, X WIA |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:33:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I'll never get the part about people asking .mil guys if they killed someone. I know lots of .mil guys and that's the one question I've never asked. Asked tons of others but not that one. I don't like talking to civilians about my military experience. In fact, my co-workers only found out that I was in the Army and in Iraq twice because my boss told them. Otherwise I'd of not said a God damn thing. Otherwise, if I'm with BTDT guys, I'll not feel shy at all about talking about any of my experiences. I guess it's one of those things that unless you've been "bloodied", you're not part of the fraternity type thing. And plus, I just feel like it's trying to explain color to a blind man. I think this clip has always summed it up best for me I guess.  |
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