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Posted: 1/22/2015 8:52:43 PM EDT
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I hope they use vpn when their engineers work from home. Don't want to get a virus.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:00:20 PM EDT
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Virus?
They'll be hacked by the Chinese in 87 seconds.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:00:24 PM EDT
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How about a 5th gen that actually works as intended?
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:01:43 PM EDT
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Oh good. Still haven't had an f18 shot down but yeah let's get the f35's replacement ready for the fy 2020 budget.
I mean it would really he nice to just take 1 billion of those funds and get an improved carbine/rifle/round even if it's not leaps and bounds better than a colt. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:03:09 PM EDT
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Maybe it won't come with the cost overruns and delays that the F-22 and F-35 have. I'm not saying Lockheed isn't competent or entirely to blame.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:03:15 PM EDT
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NorGrum has actually delivered product in the past
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:06:08 PM EDT
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Oh good. Still haven't had an f18 shot down but yeah let's get the f35's replacement ready for the fy 2020 budget. I mean it would really he nice to just take 1 billion of those funds and get an improved carbine/rifle/round even if it's not leaps and bounds better than a colt. An F-18 was shot down by a mig-25 during desert storm. Others have been hit as well. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:08:52 PM EDT
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Oh good. Still haven't had an f18 shot down but yeah let's get the f35's replacement ready for the fy 2020 budget. I mean it would really he nice to just take 1 billion of those funds and get an improved carbine/rifle/round even if it's not leaps and bounds better than a colt. Google SA-20. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:10:09 PM EDT
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I'm all for keeping our military at the top... But wtf this is useless right now. Maybe in another 10 years, but I'd rather us spend more money on ground troops than expensive ass jets offering marginal improvements at ridiculous costs.
Newer small arms/calibers for the ground troops. More funding for the VA and military health system. Rail guns!!! All are better choices in my opinion. But what's Northrop going to do? They're an airplane company so I understand their predicament. Just hope we aren't suckered into spending hundreds of billions on it though. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:11:30 PM EDT
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Why? It's really hard. yeah that justifies spending billions of taxdollars YOUR a DUMB ASS keep it simple infact it better be pilotless |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:12:48 PM EDT
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An F-18 was shot down by a mig-25 during desert storm. Others have been hit as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh good. Still haven't had an f18 shot down but yeah let's get the f35's replacement ready for the fy 2020 budget. I mean it would really he nice to just take 1 billion of those funds and get an improved carbine/rifle/round even if it's not leaps and bounds better than a colt. An F-18 was shot down by a mig-25 during desert storm. Others have been hit as well. link I have never heard of this |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:13:29 PM EDT
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Oh good. Still haven't had an f18 shot down but yeah let's get the f35's replacement ready for the fy 2020 budget. I mean it would really he nice to just take 1 billion of those funds and get an improved carbine/rifle/round even if it's not leaps and bounds better than a colt. An F-18 was shot down by a mig-25 during desert storm. Others have been hit as well. link I have never heard of this Google Scott Speicher |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:15:29 PM EDT
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Funny how all the intellectuals missed that NorGrum is spending their own money on this
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:15:49 PM EDT
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Oh good. Still haven't had an f18 shot down but yeah let's get the f35's replacement ready for the fy 2020 budget. I mean it would really he nice to just take 1 billion of those funds and get an improved carbine/rifle/round even if it's not leaps and bounds better than a colt. An F-18 was shot down by a mig-25 during desert storm. Others have been hit as well. link I have never heard of this The Navy said it was a SAM, a CIA report said it was a Mig. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:16:33 PM EDT
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How about a 5th gen that actually works as intended? Invent it as they go along got LM the F-35 contract. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:18:10 PM EDT
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It's a pretty ballsy decision, unless Northrop Grumman's management knows something about the geopolitical landscape that we don't. Barring a major conventional war with a near-peer adversary I can't see there being a demand for a completely new fighter for decades.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:20:03 PM EDT
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I'm all for keeping our military at the top... But wtf this is useless right now. Maybe in another 10 years, but I'd rather us spend more money on ground troops than expensive ass jets offering marginal improvements at ridiculous costs. Newer small arms/calibers for the ground troops. More funding for the VA and military health system. Rail guns!!! All are better choices in my opinion. But what's Northrop going to do? They're an airplane company so I understand their predicament. Just hope we aren't suckered into spending hundreds of billions on it though. If you want to build it in ten years, you have to start development today. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:23:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:27:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you want to build it in ten years, you have to start development today. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm all for keeping our military at the top... But wtf this is useless right now. Maybe in another 10 years, but I'd rather us spend more money on ground troops than expensive ass jets offering marginal improvements at ridiculous costs. Newer small arms/calibers for the ground troops. More funding for the VA and military health system. Rail guns!!! All are better choices in my opinion. But what's Northrop going to do? They're an airplane company so I understand their predicament. Just hope we aren't suckered into spending hundreds of billions on it though. If you want to build it in ten years, you have to start development today. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:32:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:35:58 PM EDT
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I say jump straight to Gen 10 with cloaking capability.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:41:48 PM EDT
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Oh good. Still haven't had an f18 shot down but yeah let's get the f35's replacement ready for the fy 2020 budget. I mean it would really he nice to just take 1 billion of those funds and get an improved carbine/rifle/round even if it's not leaps and bounds better than a colt. An F-18 was shot down by a mig-25 during desert storm. Others have been hit as well. link I have never heard of this Google Scott Speicher holy crap thanks for the education. |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:42:54 PM EDT
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Funny how all the intellectuals missed that NorGrum is spending their own money on this you believe that...how cute |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:46:43 PM EDT
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yeah that justifies spending billions of taxdollars YOU'RE a DUMB ASS keep it simple in fact it better be pilotless Quote HistoryQuoted:
Why? It's really hard. yeah that justifies spending billions of taxdollars YOU'RE a DUMB ASS keep it simple in fact it better be pilotless FIXED 
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:54:51 PM EDT
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Oh good. Still haven't had an f18 shot down but yeah let's get the f35's replacement ready for the fy 2020 budget. I mean it would really he nice to just take 1 billion of those funds and get an improved carbine/rifle/round even if it's not leaps and bounds better than a colt. First aircraft lost in the Gulf War was an F-18 IIRC-Pilot still MIA. 
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Posted: 1/22/2015 10:19:43 PM EDT
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you believe that...how cute Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Funny how all the intellectuals missed that NorGrum is spending their own money on this you believe that...how cute And what's to say they're aiming for the non-American market? |
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Posted: 1/22/2015 10:25:23 PM EDT
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With potentially tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars to be won it makes a lot of sense to start early. Fact is that UCAVs are still a ways off from being able to replace manned aircraft wholesale. There will likely need to be 6th and perhaps even 7th generation manned aircraft before we get the Skynet option.
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Posted: 1/23/2015 12:00:39 AM EDT
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NorGrum has actually delivered product in the past Northrop did. Grumman did. NorthropGrumman? Not so sure. Now OTOH, if you've got the IR&D/Overhead money to do it, it isn't a bad idea to think ahead of the gov (which isn't hard). |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 12:07:25 AM EDT
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Here's the list of requirements from the Air Force for its next fighter:
-Mach 3 speed, combat loaded -Vertical takeoff -Fully submersible -Nuclear powered -Capable of achieving orbit -Oxygen system for pilot that doesn't kill them -1% made in each of the 50 states. The other 50% made in China -Lasers. Everywhere. -Romulan Cloaking Device -100% Carbon Neutral LockMart's gonna get the bid. They're really good at this kinda shit. |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 12:09:08 AM EDT
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Gotta make dat money.
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Posted: 1/23/2015 12:16:24 AM EDT
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First aircraft lost in the Gulf War was an F-18 IIRC-Pilot still MIA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh good. Still haven't had an f18 shot down but yeah let's get the f35's replacement ready for the fy 2020 budget. I mean it would really he nice to just take 1 billion of those funds and get an improved carbine/rifle/round even if it's not leaps and bounds better than a colt. First aircraft lost in the Gulf War was an F-18 IIRC-Pilot still MIA. Found a while back |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 12:17:06 AM EDT
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Northrop did. Grumman did. NorthropGrumman? Not so sure. Now OTOH, if you've got the IR&D/Overhead money to do it, it isn't a bad idea to think ahead of the gov (which isn't hard). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NorGrum has actually delivered product in the past Northrop did. Grumman did. NorthropGrumman? Not so sure. Now OTOH, if you've got the IR&D/Overhead money to do it, it isn't a bad idea to think ahead of the gov (which isn't hard). Maybe get started and float an interesting idea that's feasible before the government get's involved and completely tards up the procurement process. |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 12:18:58 AM EDT
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I hope it is unmanned as it won't be fielded until 2040. Seriously doubt we will need someone in the cockpit at that point.
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Posted: 1/23/2015 12:20:19 AM EDT
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They should have just bought the F23 the first time around.
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Posted: 1/23/2015 12:21:59 AM EDT
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They should have just bought the F23 the first time around. No Joke |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 1:39:02 AM EDT
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Put the GAU-8 avenger cannon on it and you are off to a good start.
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Posted: 1/23/2015 2:23:37 AM EDT
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First aircraft lost in the Gulf War was an F-18 IIRC-Pilot still MIA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh good. Still haven't had an f18 shot down but yeah let's get the f35's replacement ready for the fy 2020 budget. I mean it would really he nice to just take 1 billion of those funds and get an improved carbine/rifle/round even if it's not leaps and bounds better than a colt. First aircraft lost in the Gulf War was an F-18 IIRC-Pilot still MIA. That was also a legacy Hornet, not the Superbug. |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 2:47:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you believe that...how cute Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Funny how all the intellectuals missed that NorGrum is spending their own money on this you believe that...how cute |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 2:55:56 AM EDT
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Maybe get started and float an interesting idea that's feasible before the government get's involved and completely tards up the procurement process. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NorGrum has actually delivered product in the past Northrop did. Grumman did. NorthropGrumman? Not so sure. Now OTOH, if you've got the IR&D/Overhead money to do it, it isn't a bad idea to think ahead of the gov (which isn't hard). Maybe get started and float an interesting idea that's feasible before the government get's involved and completely tards up the procurement process. Yep. Pretty sure that's at least part of the thinking. Another part is dangle something sexy that's a bit more solid than "vaporware" and market the crap out of it as the next "must have" item. |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 3:05:23 AM EDT
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How about a 5th gen that actually works as intended? Quote HistoryQuoted:
How about a 5th gen that actually works as intended? I think what they're implying here is that our idiot government is going to take that long to figure out they fucked up. Quoted:
Newer small arms/calibers for the ground troops. More funding for the VA and military health system. All are better choices in my opinion. Either of those things would cost a fraction of the money we've printed in any given month in the last 6 years or so. Government spending is generally about lining someone's pockets, not shit we need. |
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