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Posted: 2/14/2015 12:33:19 PM EDT
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The tax plan should be the Fed has to go to the states for money. No direct payments!
Never should have changed. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 12:34:13 PM EDT
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Good.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 12:34:30 PM EDT
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The tax plan should be the Fed has to go to the states for money. No direct payments! Never should have changed. Agreed 100% ! Federal Govt SHOULD be subservient to States; not the other way around. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 12:36:23 PM EDT
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RP is absolutely correct.
FIRS !! |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 12:37:14 PM EDT
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The haters should be here any second now.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 12:38:07 PM EDT
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The tax plan should be the Fed has to go to the states for money. No direct payments! Never should have changed. This, plus sales tax only. Completely eliminate the IRS and the billions of fraudulent returns being issued. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 12:38:24 PM EDT
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Excellent.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 12:39:25 PM EDT
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Sen. Rand Paul said the best way to fix problems with the Internal Revenue Service is to simply scrap the tax code and start from the beginning.
“The IRS is too big, too powerful, and we absolutely should scrap the code,” Mr. Paul said during a question-answer session on Facebook, The Hill reported. The Kentucky senator suggested he wasn’t simply throwing out an opinion. “Look for my tax plan later this spring,” Mr. Paul said, The Hill reported. Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/13/rand-paul-irs-too-big-too-powerful-and-we-should-s/#ixzz3RjnAHk7v Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter I love this guy, I will vote for him as many times as I can get away with. I have no problem with this |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 12:40:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, plus sales tax only. Completely eliminate the IRS and the billions of fraudulent returns being issued. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The tax plan should be the Fed has to go to the states for money. No direct payments! Never should have changed. This, plus sales tax only. Completely eliminate the IRS and the billions of fraudulent returns being issued. 10% at the register and then the Senators shall decide if it is to be forwarded to the Federal Gov. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 12:43:05 PM EDT
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flat tax would fix a lot of problems with cronyism. politicians will fight this tooth and nail.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 12:46:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: Sen. Rand Paul said the best way to fix problems with the Internal Revenue Service is to simply scrap the tax code and start from the beginning. "The IRS is too big, too powerful, and we absolutely should scrap the code,” Mr. Paul said during a question-answer session on Facebook, The Hill reported. The Kentucky senator suggested he wasn’t simply throwing out an opinion. "Look for my tax plan later this spring,” Mr. Paul said, The Hill reported. Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/13/rand-paul-irs-too-big-too-powerful-and-we-should-s/#ixzz3RjnAHk7v Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter I love this guy, I will vote for him as many times as I can get away with. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:01:45 PM EDT
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Sen. Rand Paul said the best way to fix problems with the Internal Revenue Service is to simply scrap the tax code and start from the beginning.
“The IRS is too big, too powerful, and we absolutely should scrap the code,” Mr. Paul said during a question-answer session on Facebook, The Hill reported. The Kentucky senator suggested he wasn’t simply throwing out an opinion. “Look for my tax plan later this spring,” Mr. Paul said, The Hill reported. Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/13/rand-paul-irs-too-big-too-powerful-and-we-should-s/#ixzz3RjnAHk7v Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter I love this guy, I will vote for him as many times as I can get away with. I have no problem with this |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:03:48 PM EDT
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Is this going to turn into another of these "ARFcom: Anyone who likes freedom is a commie" thread?
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:04:51 PM EDT
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Good
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:05:36 PM EDT
[#15]
He's right. The 16th Amendment was never properly ratified. Repealing it means the government will shrink. This will free up capital that can be used to spur a rebirth of this nation.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:06:23 PM EDT
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Agreed 100% ! Federal Govt SHOULD be subservient to States; not the other way around. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The tax plan should be the Fed has to go to the states for money. No direct payments! Never should have changed. Agreed 100% ! Federal Govt SHOULD be subservient to States; not the other way around. dot dot dot FUCK THE IRS and the Jug Eared Fucktard |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:07:29 PM EDT
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No way, RP is crazy because he said some shit about immunizations.
Says so right here in GD |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:07:50 PM EDT
[#18]
one thing that will never change is our tax code. Politicians use it to reward those they like and punish those they don't.
they won't give up that kind of power  |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:08:24 PM EDT
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Rand is the ONLY candidate I will vote for, we need to scrap the tax code and go to a universal flat tax.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:09:14 PM EDT
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That idealistic. The tax code isn't going anywhere.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:10:27 PM EDT
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First of all, I like Rand Paul, for a lot of reasons.
But it's easy to say, "Scrap the tax code." The difficult part is deciding how to replace it. Any alternative plan would be more complicated, and less fair. Trust me on this. I spent an entire career designing tax forms and instructions for the IRS. We would have loved to have a simpler system. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:13:50 PM EDT
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First of all, I like Rand Paul, for a lot of reasons. But it's easy to say, "Scrap the tax code." The difficult part is deciding how to replace it. Any alternative plan would be more complicated, and less fair. Trust me on this. I spent an entire career designing tax forms and instructions for the IRS. We would have loved to have a simpler system. I don't even know where to start with this... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:16:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First of all, I like Rand Paul, for a lot of reasons. But it's easy to say, "Scrap the tax code." The difficult part is deciding how to replace it. Any alternative plan would be more complicated, and less fair. Trust me on this. I spent an entire career designing tax forms and instructions for the IRS. We would have loved to have a simpler system. You have it backwards. The current Tax system is extremely complicated. A Flat or Fair Tax based tax system would be extremely simple. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:17:09 PM EDT
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10% at the register and then the Senators shall decide if it is to be forwarded to the Federal Gov. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The tax plan should be the Fed has to go to the states for money. No direct payments! Never should have changed. This, plus sales tax only. Completely eliminate the IRS and the billions of fraudulent returns being issued. 10% at the register and then the Senators shall decide if it is to be forwarded to the Federal Gov. Abso-Fuckin-lutely. 10 to 15% (no more) sales tax and then Congress can negotiate with State Legislatures how much they need to run the basic enumerated powers of the Federal government!. (Military, postal services, treasury, patent office, etc.) This would absolutely put power back to the states and the many people of those states. ( I have the cell number of my representative in Concord. I can't say the same thing for any other member of government, especially not in Washington...) |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:17:41 PM EDT
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First of all, I like Rand Paul, for a lot of reasons. But it's easy to say, "Scrap the tax code." The difficult part is deciding how to replace it. Any alternative plan would be more complicated, and less fair. Trust me on this. I spent an entire career designing tax forms and instructions for the IRS. We would have loved to have a simpler system. Please elaborate on any possible way that a new system would be more complex than the current one. Please. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:18:28 PM EDT
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The media conglomerates will never let him win.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:18:54 PM EDT
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First of all, I like Rand Paul, for a lot of reasons. But it's easy to say, "Scrap the tax code." The difficult part is deciding how to replace it. Any alternative plan would be more complicated, and less fair. Trust me on this. I spent an entire career designing tax forms and instructions for the IRS. We would have loved to have a simpler system. Get rid of personal income tax. There. I just simplified it. Not enough money coming in? Spend less. There. I solved that problem, too. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:24:51 PM EDT
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Get rid of personal income tax. There. I just simplified it. Not enough money coming in? Spend less. There. I solved that problem, too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First of all, I like Rand Paul, for a lot of reasons. But it's easy to say, "Scrap the tax code." The difficult part is deciding how to replace it. Any alternative plan would be more complicated, and less fair. Trust me on this. I spent an entire career designing tax forms and instructions for the IRS. We would have loved to have a simpler system. Get rid of personal income tax. There. I just simplified it. Not enough money coming in? Spend less. There. I solved that problem, too. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:26:59 PM EDT
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Sen. Rand Paul said the best way to fix problems with the Internal Revenue Service is to simply scrap the tax code and start from the beginning.
“The IRS is too big, too powerful, and we absolutely should scrap the code,” Mr. Paul said during a question-answer session on Facebook, The Hill reported. The Kentucky senator suggested he wasn’t simply throwing out an opinion. “Look for my tax plan later this spring,” Mr. Paul said, The Hill reported. Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/13/rand-paul-irs-too-big-too-powerful-and-we-should-s/#ixzz3RjnAHk7v Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter I love this guy, I will vote for him as many times as I can get away with. I have no problem with this |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:34:38 PM EDT
[#30]
You have it backwards. The current Tax system is extremely complicated. A Flat or Fair Tax based tax system
would be extremely simple. No, it wouldn't. Let me throw out just one consideration: How would you transition from the current system to your new system? The transitional rules and the grandfathering provisions would be a CPA's nightmare. (Actually, maybe not. Such a plan would be a "Tax Lawyers' and Accountants' Full Employment Act.") The so-called "complications" in the current system don't involve that many people, and most of them have paid tax advisors. Besides that, the people affected wanted the complications because they tend to benefit them. The tax code is the result of balancing various economic interests, each of which lobby their elected representatives. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:35:19 PM EDT
[#31]
I don't agree with Rand on many things but he is right about the tax code. The only way to fix it is to scrap the IRS and go to a flat or consumption tax.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:38:25 PM EDT
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I don't agree with Rand on many things but he is right about the tax code. The only way to fix it is to scrap the IRS and go to a flat or consumption tax. I like the guy on most things including this. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:43:08 PM EDT
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First of all, I like Rand Paul, for a lot of reasons. But it's easy to say, "Scrap the tax code." The difficult part is deciding how to replace it. Any alternative plan would be more complicated, and less fair. Trust me on this. I spent an entire career designing tax forms and instructions for the IRS. We would have loved to have a simpler system. A Marxist "spent an entire career designing tax forms and instructions for the IRS." I am not surprised and this is all the more reason to do as Rand Paul suggests. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:43:18 PM EDT
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Agreed. Flat tax or consumption tax. No loopholes, no deductions. Pay tax on what you're paid or buy....done. States collect and send to treasury. Eff the IRS & BHO.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:43:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it wouldn't. Let me throw out just one consideration: How would you transition from the current system to your new system? The transitional rules and the grandfathering provisions would be a CPA's nightmare. (Actually, maybe not. Such a plan would be a "Tax Lawyers' and Accountants' Full Employment Act.") The so-called "complications" in the current system don't involve that many people, and most of them have paid tax advisors. Besides that, the people affected wanted the complications because they tend to benefit them. The tax code is the result of balancing various economic interests, each of which lobby their elected representatives. Quote HistoryQuoted: You have it backwards. The current Tax system is extremely complicated. A Flat or Fair Tax based tax system would be extremely simple. No, it wouldn't. Let me throw out just one consideration: How would you transition from the current system to your new system? The transitional rules and the grandfathering provisions would be a CPA's nightmare. (Actually, maybe not. Such a plan would be a "Tax Lawyers' and Accountants' Full Employment Act.") The so-called "complications" in the current system don't involve that many people, and most of them have paid tax advisors. Besides that, the people affected wanted the complications because they tend to benefit them. The tax code is the result of balancing various economic interests, each of which lobby their elected representatives. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:44:30 PM EDT
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I support any tax change that puts all Americans on equal footing . A flat tax would do that IMHO.
This graduated tax system dependent on your income level we have now is crazy. Should we do the same thing with "rights" as well ? |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:50:24 PM EDT
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First of all, I like Rand Paul, for a lot of reasons. But it's easy to say, "Scrap the tax code." The difficult part is deciding how to replace it. Any alternative plan would be more complicated, and less fair. Trust me on this. I spent an entire career designing tax forms and instructions for the IRS. We would have loved to have a simpler system. LOL Only the fucking government could take something so goddammed complicated and make it even more complicated. How about a simple sales tax to end users with NO exceptions. I would gladly pay 8-10% more at the register for EVERYTHING I purchase. The more people make the more they usually spend, hence they pay more taxes. It would also capture tax on illegals and tourists spending money. No withholding on paychecks would give everyone the perception of an immediate pay raise and stimulate the economy with increased spending on consumer goods and services. The billions lost in fraudulent tax returns would disappear also. Lots of positives. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:52:49 PM EDT
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I concur with OP
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:53:03 PM EDT
[#39]
He's right , not crazy.
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Posted: 2/14/2015 1:56:51 PM EDT
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He's right, I agree with him, and he knows as well as I do that it'll never fucking happen.
Low hanging fruit for the base to feast on. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 2:01:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it wouldn't. Let me throw out just one consideration: How would you transition from the current system to your new system? The transitional rules and the grandfathering provisions would be a CPA's nightmare. (Actually, maybe not. Such a plan would be a "Tax Lawyers' and Accountants' Full Employment Act.") The so-called "complications" in the current system don't involve that many people, and most of them have paid tax advisors. Besides that, the people affected wanted the complications because they tend to benefit them. The tax code is the result of balancing various economic interests, each of which lobby their elected representatives. Quote HistoryQuoted: You have it backwards. The current Tax system is extremely complicated. A Flat or Fair Tax based tax system would be extremely simple. No, it wouldn't. Let me throw out just one consideration: How would you transition from the current system to your new system? The transitional rules and the grandfathering provisions would be a CPA's nightmare. (Actually, maybe not. Such a plan would be a "Tax Lawyers' and Accountants' Full Employment Act.") The so-called "complications" in the current system don't involve that many people, and most of them have paid tax advisors. Besides that, the people affected wanted the complications because they tend to benefit them. The tax code is the result of balancing various economic interests, each of which lobby their elected representatives. A new year you start the new tax system. The current system is a welfare system and effects everyone and is extremely complicated and full of threats and intemidation to the tax payer. it is not a balance in the least. Give people 4 years to resolve past tax issues. The gov has 4 years and the people have 4 years. Most States already collect sales tax at the register and could collect the fair tax just as easily under a fair tax scenario. A flat tax would be collect by the employers just as they do already. There is nothing complicated about a change at all. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 2:01:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it wouldn't. Let me throw out just one consideration: How would you transition from the current system to your new system? The transitional rules and the grandfathering provisions would be a CPA's nightmare. (Actually, maybe not. Such a plan would be a "Tax Lawyers' and Accountants' Full Employment Act.") The so-called "complications" in the current system don't involve that many people, and most of them have paid tax advisors. Besides that, the people affected wanted the complications because they tend to benefit them. The tax code is the result of balancing various economic interests, each of which lobby their elected representatives. Quote HistoryQuoted: You have it backwards. The current Tax system is extremely complicated. A Flat or Fair Tax based tax system would be extremely simple. No, it wouldn't. Let me throw out just one consideration: How would you transition from the current system to your new system? The transitional rules and the grandfathering provisions would be a CPA's nightmare. (Actually, maybe not. Such a plan would be a "Tax Lawyers' and Accountants' Full Employment Act.") The so-called "complications" in the current system don't involve that many people, and most of them have paid tax advisors. Besides that, the people affected wanted the complications because they tend to benefit them. The tax code is the result of balancing various economic interests, each of which lobby their elected representatives. Yep. National sales tax would suck. What about farmers who might spend 300k retail to clear 25K? You want me to pay 30k in sales tax when my income is 25K? |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 2:03:14 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. National sales tax would suck. What about farmers who might spend 300k retail to clear 25K? You want me to pay 30k in sales tax when my income is 25K? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You have it backwards. The current Tax system is extremely complicated. A Flat or Fair Tax based tax system would be extremely simple. No, it wouldn't. Let me throw out just one consideration: How would you transition from the current system to your new system? The transitional rules and the grandfathering provisions would be a CPA's nightmare. (Actually, maybe not. Such a plan would be a "Tax Lawyers' and Accountants' Full Employment Act.") The so-called "complications" in the current system don't involve that many people, and most of them have paid tax advisors. Besides that, the people affected wanted the complications because they tend to benefit them. The tax code is the result of balancing various economic interests, each of which lobby their elected representatives. Yep. National sales tax would suck. What about farmers who might spend 300k retail to clear 25K? You want me to pay 30k in sales tax when my income is 25K? Business' do not pay taxes under the fair tax. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 2:03:19 PM EDT
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RIP Rand Paul's chances of becoming president. |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 2:04:15 PM EDT
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Am I in before the people who will defend the IRS if it means they get to hate on Rand? I'm guessing not!
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Posted: 2/14/2015 2:05:33 PM EDT
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The media conglomerates will never let him win. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The media conglomerates will never let him win. Fox News is going to go to town on Rand. Media mogul Rupert Murdoch says Jeb Bush and Paul Ryan are on the top of his list for the 2016 presidential election — but that he could vote for Hillary Clinton, depending on the Republican candidate. http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/04/murdoch-says-jeb-bush-paul-ryan-top-list-but-he-could-186645.html Of the five GOP candidates Murdoch mentions in the interview, Paul was the only one to be singled-out as a potential non-starter.
Murdoch called Jeb Bush a "man of very fine character,".. http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2014/04/10/rupert-murdoch-cool-on-rand-paul |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 2:06:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any alternative plan would be more complicated, and less fair.  |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 2:08:23 PM EDT
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Broken clock
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Posted: 2/14/2015 2:12:46 PM EDT
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What a stupid assertion.
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Any alternative plan would be more complicated, and less fair.
A stupid assertion?...from the guy who is a self-proclaimed leftist progressive? Get outta town! |
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Posted: 2/14/2015 2:20:12 PM EDT
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A stupid assertion?...from the guy who is a self-proclaimed Marxist? Get outta town! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any alternative plan would be more complicated, and less fair.
A stupid assertion?...from the guy who is a self-proclaimed Marxist? Get outta town! Fify |
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