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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:27:49 AM EDT
What was the reason for using it during the training op in San Francisco during 1999?
     Also notice that theh used period LE Armor Vests with the snap button velcro attachment points.   I find the stuff interesting but can't really get much info on it. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:29:05 AM EDT
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WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT?
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:29:35 AM EDT
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I'm guessing it's about right angles in cities.
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:29:40 AM EDT
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Tier 1 skateboard!
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:29:58 AM EDT
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Skateboard troops!
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:30:14 AM EDT
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concrete/cinder block camo?
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:30:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm guessing it's about right angles in cities. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:31:42 AM EDT
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looks pretty damn effective here...
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:31:58 AM EDT
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1024159_Marine_andamp_quot_T_blockandamp_quot__camo.html
That's back when all the services were testing new patterns, so maybe they just wanted to see how it would perform. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:32:19 AM EDT
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MK16 Mod 1 skateboard...groovy
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:33:34 AM EDT
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That pattern is fucking with me.....it keeps on trying to spell something......."Fuck You, Army" something.....
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:34:22 AM EDT
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now that the patent for MARPAT is almost expired, someone needs to make uniforms in the urban pattern that was never fielded
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:34:54 AM EDT
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Or because they thought it was harder for night visit to see Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm guessing it's about right angles in cities. They mostly come at night. Mostly. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:35:08 AM EDT
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lol
do these people ever step back 100 yards and look just to make sure that all their hard work doesn't just blend in together in to a black, grey or green solid uniform. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:35:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That pattern is fucking with me.....it keeps on trying to spell something......."Fuck You, Army" something.....  |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:36:48 AM EDT
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So is Vans making combat boots now?
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:39:32 AM EDT
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Good times. The one and only time I've ever been to San Fran.
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:39:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So is Vans making combat boots now? |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:40:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol do these people ever step back 100 yards and look just to make sure that all their hard work doesn't just blend in together in to a black, grey or green solid uniform. thats one of the largest, most open, macro-patterns used on a recent camo pattern. how far would engagement distances be in an urban environment anyway? |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:40:32 AM EDT
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So is Vans making combat boots now? You haven't seen the DEFCON series yet, huh? |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:42:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:47:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: thats one of the largest, most open, macro-patterns used on a recent camo pattern. how far would engagement distances be in an urban environment anyway? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lol do these people ever step back 100 yards and look just to make sure that all their hard work doesn't just blend in together in to a black, grey or green solid uniform. thats one of the largest, most open, macro-patterns used on a recent camo pattern. how far would engagement distances be in an urban environment anyway? yes and it still turns into a grey. and in an urban situation i would rather give up upclose blending in in favor of being harder to see from planes and snipers overlooking the area. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:48:47 AM EDT
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cities are composed of angular lines and from a distance everything blurs into a sort of grey. This is no different then the Berlin Brigade camo for vehicles that was extremely effective for that particular environment. In that case a tank in normal green could be seen easily almost a km down the road. The same tanks with Berlin camo virtually disappeared and if not moving sometimes would not be noticed until the 200m mark even when sitting in the open.
Berlin Camo 
A tank parked in the open - pic taken at about 150m: 
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:51:03 AM EDT
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that tank camo is surprisingly effective
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:53:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT? |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:53:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: cities are composed of angular lines and from a distance everything blurs into a sort of grey. This is no different then the Berlin Brigade camo for vehicles that was extremely effective for that particular environment. In that case a tank in normal green could be seen easily almost a km down the road. The same tanks with Berlin camo virtually disappeared and if not moving sometimes would not be noticed until the 200m mark even when sitting in the open. Berlin Camo http://i.imgur.com/yjSuR1Y.jpg A tank parked in the open - pic taken at about 150m: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eH8UKE1EOAs/UlAolhbZIHI/AAAAAAAABMk/se23KzOAF9c/s640/berlinbrigadechieftainh.jpg |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:55:06 AM EDT
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Damn that works well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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cities are composed of angular lines and from a distance everything blurs into a sort of grey. This is no different then the Berlin Brigade camo for vehicles that was extremely effective for that particular environment. In that case a tank in normal green could be seen easily almost a km down the road. The same tanks with Berlin camo virtually disappeared and if not moving sometimes would not be noticed until the 200m mark even when sitting in the open. Berlin Camo http://i.imgur.com/yjSuR1Y.jpg A tank parked in the open - pic taken at about 150m: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eH8UKE1EOAs/UlAolhbZIHI/AAAAAAAABMk/se23KzOAF9c/s640/berlinbrigadechieftainh.jpg Dazzle for a straight line environment |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:55:15 AM EDT
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cities are composed of angular lines and from a distance everything blurs into a sort of grey. This is no different then the Berlin Brigade camo for vehicles that was extremely effective for that particular environment. In that case a tank in normal green could be seen easily almost a km down the road. The same tanks with Berlin camo virtually disappeared and if not moving sometimes would not be noticed until the 200m mark even when sitting in the open. Berlin Camo http://i.imgur.com/yjSuR1Y.jpg A tank parked in the open - pic taken at about 150m: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eH8UKE1EOAs/UlAolhbZIHI/AAAAAAAABMk/se23KzOAF9c/s640/berlinbrigadechieftainh.jpg Wow. Does a damn good job of blending in. You can tell something is in front of that building, but by the time I would have realized its a tank, I'd be blown into little pieces.
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:56:22 AM EDT
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I was part of Urban Warrior.
We tried all sorts of experimental crap. The T-block (I still have mine) was one of them. We also played with a computer system that strapped to the front of the soldier and relayed each persons position back to a central location... But we kept breaking the computers.
As to the vests, we were given a few different examples of armor to try, as that is when they were trying to select a new armor system. The Interceptor eventually won out. Here is a picture I took of some of our crew at Urban Warrior. 
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Posted: 6/14/2015 10:58:35 AM EDT
[#29]
Seems pretty badass.
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Posted: 6/14/2015 11:03:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: cities are composed of angular lines and from a distance everything blurs into a sort of grey. This is no different then the Berlin Brigade camo for vehicles that was extremely effective for that particular environment. In that case a tank in normal green could be seen easily almost a km down the road. The same tanks with Berlin camo virtually disappeared and if not moving sometimes would not be noticed until the 200m mark even when sitting in the open. Berlin Camo http://i.imgur.com/yjSuR1Y.jpg A tank parked in the open - pic taken at about 150m: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eH8UKE1EOAs/UlAolhbZIHI/AAAAAAAABMk/se23KzOAF9c/s640/berlinbrigadechieftainh.jpg yeah, if this camo had larger patterns like 6-8 inches on it and replace the black stripes with white it would have been more effective far away. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 11:06:43 AM EDT
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Now we'll all have to clone that skateboard.
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Posted: 6/14/2015 11:08:34 AM EDT
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Nobody ever accused Marines of being able to spell. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That pattern is fucking with me.....it keeps on trying to spell something......."Fuck You, Army" something..... Hey, you don't have to know how to spell to have an interesting time out on hippie patrol..
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Posted: 6/14/2015 11:09:28 AM EDT
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I was part of Urban Warrior. We tried all sorts of experimental crap. The T-block (I still have mine) was one of them. We also played with a computer system that strapped to the front of the soldier and relayed each persons position back to a central location... But we kept breaking the computers.
As to the vests, we were given a few different examples of armor to try, as that is when they were trying to select a new armor system. The Interceptor eventually won out. The Army, using the 4th ID(M), was going through Force XXI around the same time. It involved testing a lot of new uniform items, vehicles, and computer systems. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 11:15:42 AM EDT
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The Army, using the 4th ID(M), was going through Force XXI around the same time. It involved testing a lot of new uniform items, vehicles, and computer systems. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was part of Urban Warrior. We tried all sorts of experimental crap. The T-block (I still have mine) was one of them. We also played with a computer system that strapped to the front of the soldier and relayed each persons position back to a central location... But we kept breaking the computers.
As to the vests, we were given a few different examples of armor to try, as that is when they were trying to select a new armor system. The Interceptor eventually won out. The Army, using the 4th ID(M), was going through Force XXI around the same time. It involved testing a lot of new uniform items, vehicles, and computer systems. Ah yes!!! I forgot about the little buggies we tested. Basically like todays RAZOR type Side by Sides. I also remember watching the Anti-Sniper system in action. This thing would just shoot at places it detected incoming fire some how. 
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Posted: 6/14/2015 11:27:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: cities are composed of angular lines and from a distance everything blurs into a sort of grey. This is no different then the Berlin Brigade camo for vehicles that was extremely effective for that particular environment. In that case a tank in normal green could be seen easily almost a km down the road. The same tanks with Berlin camo virtually disappeared and if not moving sometimes would not be noticed until the 200m mark even when sitting in the open. Berlin Camo http://i.imgur.com/yjSuR1Y.jpg A tank parked in the open - pic taken at about 150m: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eH8UKE1EOAs/UlAolhbZIHI/AAAAAAAABMk/se23KzOAF9c/s640/berlinbrigadechieftainh.jpg some CV90 action...    |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 11:33:09 AM EDT
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I want a tactical skateboard.
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Posted: 6/14/2015 1:55:00 PM EDT
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Can I volunteer to be command sergeant major of the Tetris Army
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Posted: 6/14/2015 2:10:36 PM EDT
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thats one of the largest, most open, macro-patterns used on a recent camo pattern. how far would engagement distances be in an urban environment anyway? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lol do these people ever step back 100 yards and look just to make sure that all their hard work doesn't just blend in together in to a black, grey or green solid uniform. thats one of the largest, most open, macro-patterns used on a recent camo pattern. how far would engagement distances be in an urban environment anyway? Lacks contrast needed for breaking up the outline at a distance. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 2:13:59 PM EDT
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It was an experiment pattern provided by the Marine Corps Warfighting Lab for project metropolis also known as Urban Warrior
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Posted: 6/14/2015 3:46:00 PM EDT
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In '96, as a Marine, we used that camo as an aggressor force against an army unit in some kind of war games. Ours didn't have the 'U.S. MARINES' nametape, but had aggressor handwritten over one pocket and Marines handwritten over the other pocket. I seem to think that we thought big army and all their money had supplied the uniforms.
I still have a set somewhere around the house. Somehow they never got turned back in. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 3:56:22 PM EDT
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Jade Helm 99.
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Posted: 6/14/2015 4:16:05 PM EDT
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Jade Helm 99. Funny how things are always the same... Time keeps on tickin!!! 
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Posted: 6/14/2015 5:19:26 PM EDT
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Hey, you don't have to know how to spell to have an interesting time out on hippie patrol.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That pattern is fucking with me.....it keeps on trying to spell something......."Fuck You, Army" something..... Nobody ever accused Marines of being able to spell. Hey, you don't have to know how to spell to have an interesting time out on hippie patrol.. Obviously it was abandoned for a reason. Because if it was around now, surely even Marines would have figured out how to make it spell "FBHO". Hmmmm.... Maybe come the revolution that's an idea for the rebel cammo pattern. T-Block that spells FBHO when looked at from a specific angle. Friend or Foe ID made easy. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 5:19:30 PM EDT
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I remember seeing this about, as a young Marine in '99 - always intrigued me.
I dyed sets of desert 3's grey, in an attempt to mimic these. Would love to have a set ! That and the experimental urban Marpat. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 5:22:51 PM EDT
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They should go with this:
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Posted: 6/14/2015 5:31:57 PM EDT
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Squares and rectangles make for excellent urban camo, but more earth tones resembling red brick, grey concrete, and brown stone (with black for mottled shadows from trees) make more sense than the green they're using--unless they be operating on a golf course
Which is what it looks like... |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 5:46:56 PM EDT
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WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Urban_Warrior |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 6:54:40 PM EDT
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Turns out they also experimented with Urban Woodland too.
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Posted: 6/14/2015 6:57:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Turns out they also experimented with Urban Woodland too. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/qwejibo/DM-SD-98-06513_zpsedaa4cfc.jpg~original http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/photos/blccs2na500b.jpg that's just dumb. and 'fashion' urban woodland has been a thing since the 80's |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 7:02:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: that's just dumb. and 'fashion' urban woodland has been a thing since the 80's Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Turns out they also experimented with Urban Woodland too. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/qwejibo/DM-SD-98-06513_zpsedaa4cfc.jpg~original http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/photos/blccs2na500b.jpg that's just dumb. and 'fashion' urban woodland has been a thing since the 80's |
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