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Posted: 9/3/2015 6:56:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/3/2015 7:00:57 PM EDT
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Like a Jay Leno on the Tonight Show...he was rollin'
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Posted: 9/3/2015 7:01:44 PM EDT
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My Grandfather was a no shit World traveller. He visited Communist Russia and the Middle East before the Soviets and Afghanistan went at it. I wish he was still alive so I could ask him what the region was like 50-60 years ago.
I have his WW2 Memorabilia and a photo album filled with currencies from across the globe...many of which belonged to Nations that don't exist anymore. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 7:10:19 PM EDT
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That's pretty interesting. My how that country has regressed.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 7:13:27 PM EDT
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and now look at that place.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 7:16:49 PM EDT
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In the 1960s that region was very "westernized", and once it began to change it was fast and it "radicalized"
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Posted: 9/3/2015 7:16:52 PM EDT
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What an interesting video.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 7:25:11 PM EDT
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Are Egyptian women required to wear it today?
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Posted: 9/3/2015 7:29:12 PM EDT
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The Muslim brotherhood should wear hijabs!!
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Posted: 9/3/2015 7:30:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Muslim brotherhood should wear hijabs!! |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 7:32:20 PM EDT
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The Muslim brotherhood should wear burial shrouds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Muslim brotherhood should wear hijabs!! Insha'Allah 
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Posted: 9/3/2015 7:42:20 PM EDT
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In the 1960s that region was very "westernized", and once it began to change it was fast and it "radicalized" islam is like that. It forces fast, permanent change. People mistake it for a religion, when religion is only a thin veneer of what islam is all about. |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 7:59:41 PM EDT
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Maxim Grachev 1 hour ago
Ikr...fkin america set up uprisings and caused wars in these countries and now we in Europe have to deal with all the fucking refugees while the fat american fucks sit on their fucking peaceful island spectating the chaos over here. great comment from the video... LOL 
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:08:35 AM EDT
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LOL.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:10:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:14:27 AM EDT
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Can anyone confirm this is an accurate translation?
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:16:30 AM EDT
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A lot of siding with and making deals with the wrong side, following that video
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:21:32 AM EDT
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Don't worry !!! The muslim apologists will be along shortly to tell us all how wrong we are and that we just want to oppress the poor muslim peoples
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:23:19 AM EDT
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The Brotherhood has caused alot of problems
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:24:03 AM EDT
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Can anyone confirm this is an accurate translation? It's correct |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:28:21 AM EDT
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In the 1960s that region was very "westernized", and once it began to change it was fast and it "radicalized" Only in the bigger cities among the well-to-do was it remotely westernized. The Egyptian elite had been adapting to English culture for over a hundred years. When Egypt gained its independence they kept many of the westernized customs and associated it with Arab nationalist ideology, which was popular for some, not for all. The everyday Arab Egyptians, the middle and lower classes, especially the rural communities that did all the farming, were the same backward ignorant Muslims they always were. The Nassar govt marginalized, ostracized, and/or imprisoned them when they talked back. Which is how organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood were able to recruit so many followers, Egyptians who probably would not have become militants did so because the Arab elite pushed them to it. They saw the new elite of Egypt creating progressive ideas that were absolutely shitting all over traditional Egyptian values, so they fought back. Sound familiar? Limousine liberal elites trying to force progressive ideals on a country, ridiculing the conservative cultural ideals of their opponents? |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:31:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only in the bigger cities among the well-to-do was it remotely westernized. The Egyptian elite had been adapting to English culture for over a hundred years. When Egypt gained its independence they kept many of the westernized customs and associated it with Arab nationalist ideology, which was popular for some, not for all. The everyday Arab Egyptians, the middle and lower classes, especially the rural communities that did all the farming, were the same backward ignorant Muslims they always were. The Nassar govt marginalized, ostracized, and/or imprisoned them when they talked back. Which is how organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood were able to recruit so many followers, Egyptians who probably would not have become militants did so because the Arab elite pushed them to it. They saw the new elite of Egypt creating progressive ideas that were absolutely shitting all over traditional Egyptian values, so they fought back. Sound familiar? Limousine liberal elites trying to force progressive ideals on a country, ridiculing the conservative cultural ideals of their opponents? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In the 1960s that region was very "westernized", and once it began to change it was fast and it "radicalized" Only in the bigger cities among the well-to-do was it remotely westernized. The Egyptian elite had been adapting to English culture for over a hundred years. When Egypt gained its independence they kept many of the westernized customs and associated it with Arab nationalist ideology, which was popular for some, not for all. The everyday Arab Egyptians, the middle and lower classes, especially the rural communities that did all the farming, were the same backward ignorant Muslims they always were. The Nassar govt marginalized, ostracized, and/or imprisoned them when they talked back. Which is how organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood were able to recruit so many followers, Egyptians who probably would not have become militants did so because the Arab elite pushed them to it. They saw the new elite of Egypt creating progressive ideas that were absolutely shitting all over traditional Egyptian values, so they fought back. Sound familiar? Limousine liberal elites trying to force progressive ideals on a country, ridiculing the conservative cultural ideals of their opponents? But look where that got them. They are now even poorer and have not bettered themselves one bit. |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:32:12 AM EDT
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Democracy or a somewhat benevolent tyranny... take your pick!
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:36:32 AM EDT
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But look where that got them. They are now even poorer and have not bettered themselves one bit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In the 1960s that region was very "westernized", and once it began to change it was fast and it "radicalized" Only in the bigger cities among the well-to-do was it remotely westernized. The Egyptian elite had been adapting to English culture for over a hundred years. When Egypt gained its independence they kept many of the westernized customs and associated it with Arab nationalist ideology, which was popular for some, not for all. The everyday Arab Egyptians, the middle and lower classes, especially the rural communities that did all the farming, were the same backward ignorant Muslims they always were. The Nassar govt marginalized, ostracized, and/or imprisoned them when they talked back. Which is how organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood were able to recruit so many followers, Egyptians who probably would not have become militants did so because the Arab elite pushed them to it. They saw the new elite of Egypt creating progressive ideas that were absolutely shitting all over traditional Egyptian values, so they fought back. Sound familiar? Limousine liberal elites trying to force progressive ideals on a country, ridiculing the conservative cultural ideals of their opponents? But look where that got them. They are now even poorer and have not bettered themselves one bit. I'm not excusing them. The poor farmers had their own share of extremely fucked up customs. Just trying to explain how it happened. Nassar and his bunch were pious when it suited them, radical progressives at other times. Lots of the Egyptians didn't like it, the MB in particular. A gradual change of cultural ideas for a nation toward a goal is safer than just forcing change and ridiculing everyone who says its wrong. I could easily pick another charismatic leader who gives good speeches about how stupid the old ways are. 
If you actually follow the customs of nearly all western civilizations and how they are going, guns and God are on the outs. So are we all backwards idiots who deserve ridicule by the educated progressive elites? |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 10:47:42 AM EDT
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I'm not excusing them. The poor farmers had their own share of extremely fucked up customs. Just trying to explain how it happened. Nassar and his bunch were pious when it suited them, radical progressives at other times. Lots of the Egyptians didn't like it, the MB in particular. A gradual change of cultural ideas for a nation toward a goal is safer than just forcing change and ridiculing everyone who says its wrong. I could easily pick another charismatic leader who gives good speeches about how stupid the old ways are.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZWaxjiQyFk
If you actually follow the customs of nearly all western civilizations and how they are going, guns and God are on the outs. So are we all backwards idiots who deserve ridicule by the educated progressive elites? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Only in the bigger cities among the well-to-do was it remotely westernized. The Egyptian elite had been adapting to English culture for over a hundred years. When Egypt gained its independence they kept many of the westernized customs and associated it with Arab nationalist ideology, which was popular for some, not for all. The everyday Arab Egyptians, the middle and lower classes, especially the rural communities that did all the farming, were the same backward ignorant Muslims they always were. The Nassar govt marginalized, ostracized, and/or imprisoned them when they talked back. Which is how organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood were able to recruit so many followers, Egyptians who probably would not have become militants did so because the Arab elite pushed them to it. They saw the new elite of Egypt creating progressive ideas that were absolutely shitting all over traditional Egyptian values, so they fought back. Sound familiar? Limousine liberal elites trying to force progressive ideals on a country, ridiculing the conservative cultural ideals of their opponents? But look where that got them. They are now even poorer and have not bettered themselves one bit. I'm not excusing them. The poor farmers had their own share of extremely fucked up customs. Just trying to explain how it happened. Nassar and his bunch were pious when it suited them, radical progressives at other times. Lots of the Egyptians didn't like it, the MB in particular. A gradual change of cultural ideas for a nation toward a goal is safer than just forcing change and ridiculing everyone who says its wrong. I could easily pick another charismatic leader who gives good speeches about how stupid the old ways are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZWaxjiQyFk
If you actually follow the customs of nearly all western civilizations and how they are going, guns and God are on the outs. So are we all backwards idiots who deserve ridicule by the educated progressive elites? Outstanding. |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:30:36 PM EDT
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I've seen pictures from Afghanistan in the 60 with young men and women in a library and other social settings. All were fashionably dressed in western clothing.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:36:14 PM EDT
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There is a picture somewhere of graduating women at the university in cairo in different years, and the closer we get to today, the more and more they were made to cover up.
I will try to find it. I think it was originally posted by Nonie Darwish, but I could be mistaken. EDIT: found it with 10 seconds of google How the Veil Conquered Cairo These photos represent the gradual but steady Islamic radicalization invading the Middle East and the rest of the world in the last three decades. I lived in Egypt until the year 1978 and have never wore a head cover, neither did my mother or grandmother. And this is thanks to a feminist movement that started in Cairo in 1919 under the leadership of the famous Egyptian feminist Hoda Shaarawi. |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:39:22 PM EDT
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I've seen pictures from Afghanistan in the 60 with young men and women in a library and other social settings. All were fashionably dressed in western clothing. That was a tiny subsection of the urban population, specifically from a few of the large cities, like Kabul. Afghanistan has always been a few cities attempting to control the countryside and failing. Like everywhere, the urban crowd are progressive, rural is conservative. Afghanistan as a whole is backwards as fuck, when the urban population attempts to instill power on them, civil wars break out. The reality is that the only way Afghanistan has ever worked is for the cities to rule themselves while the countryside does the same, with as little interaction with each other as possible. |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:39:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not excusing them. The poor farmers had their own share of extremely fucked up customs. Just trying to explain how it happened. Nassar and his bunch were pious when it suited them, radical progressives at other times. Lots of the Egyptians didn't like it, the MB in particular. A gradual change of cultural ideas for a nation toward a goal is safer than just forcing change and ridiculing everyone who says its wrong. I could easily pick another charismatic leader who gives good speeches about how stupid the old ways are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZWaxjiQyFkIf you actually follow the customs of nearly all western civilizations and how they are going, guns and God are on the outs. So are we all backwards idiots who deserve ridicule by the educated progressive elites? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In the 1960s that region was very "westernized", and once it began to change it was fast and it "radicalized" Only in the bigger cities among the well-to-do was it remotely westernized. The Egyptian elite had been adapting to English culture for over a hundred years. When Egypt gained its independence they kept many of the westernized customs and associated it with Arab nationalist ideology, which was popular for some, not for all. The everyday Arab Egyptians, the middle and lower classes, especially the rural communities that did all the farming, were the same backward ignorant Muslims they always were. The Nassar govt marginalized, ostracized, and/or imprisoned them when they talked back. Which is how organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood were able to recruit so many followers, Egyptians who probably would not have become militants did so because the Arab elite pushed them to it. They saw the new elite of Egypt creating progressive ideas that were absolutely shitting all over traditional Egyptian values, so they fought back. Sound familiar? Limousine liberal elites trying to force progressive ideals on a country, ridiculing the conservative cultural ideals of their opponents? But look where that got them. They are now even poorer and have not bettered themselves one bit. I'm not excusing them. The poor farmers had their own share of extremely fucked up customs. Just trying to explain how it happened. Nassar and his bunch were pious when it suited them, radical progressives at other times. Lots of the Egyptians didn't like it, the MB in particular. A gradual change of cultural ideas for a nation toward a goal is safer than just forcing change and ridiculing everyone who says its wrong. I could easily pick another charismatic leader who gives good speeches about how stupid the old ways are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZWaxjiQyFkIf you actually follow the customs of nearly all western civilizations and how they are going, guns and God are on the outs. So are we all backwards idiots who deserve ridicule by the educated progressive elites? i wouldn't call them progressives, because progressives are VERY authoritarian, like the muslim brotherhood. I guess if i had to label them, I would just call them more westernized, in the sense of appreciating some liberty. |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:43:06 PM EDT
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i wouldn't call them progressives, because progressives are VERY authoritarian, like the muslim brotherhood. I guess if i had to label them, I would just call them more westernized, in the sense of appreciating some liberty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In the 1960s that region was very "westernized", and once it began to change it was fast and it "radicalized" Only in the bigger cities among the well-to-do was it remotely westernized. The Egyptian elite had been adapting to English culture for over a hundred years. When Egypt gained its independence they kept many of the westernized customs and associated it with Arab nationalist ideology, which was popular for some, not for all. The everyday Arab Egyptians, the middle and lower classes, especially the rural communities that did all the farming, were the same backward ignorant Muslims they always were. The Nassar govt marginalized, ostracized, and/or imprisoned them when they talked back. Which is how organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood were able to recruit so many followers, Egyptians who probably would not have become militants did so because the Arab elite pushed them to it. They saw the new elite of Egypt creating progressive ideas that were absolutely shitting all over traditional Egyptian values, so they fought back. Sound familiar? Limousine liberal elites trying to force progressive ideals on a country, ridiculing the conservative cultural ideals of their opponents? But look where that got them. They are now even poorer and have not bettered themselves one bit. I'm not excusing them. The poor farmers had their own share of extremely fucked up customs. Just trying to explain how it happened. Nassar and his bunch were pious when it suited them, radical progressives at other times. Lots of the Egyptians didn't like it, the MB in particular. A gradual change of cultural ideas for a nation toward a goal is safer than just forcing change and ridiculing everyone who says its wrong. I could easily pick another charismatic leader who gives good speeches about how stupid the old ways are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZWaxjiQyFk
If you actually follow the customs of nearly all western civilizations and how they are going, guns and God are on the outs. So are we all backwards idiots who deserve ridicule by the educated progressive elites? i wouldn't call them progressives, because progressives are VERY authoritarian, like the muslim brotherhood. I guess if i had to label them, I would just call them more westernized, in the sense of appreciating some liberty. You do know that the nassar he's referring to was a dictator right? confused him with the other guy. Never mind. |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:43:53 PM EDT
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That's pretty interesting. My how that country has regressed. Arab Spring. |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:46:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do know that the nassar he's referring to was a dictator right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: i wouldn't call them progressives, because progressives are VERY authoritarian, like the muslim brotherhood. I guess if i had to label them, I would just call them more westernized, in the sense of appreciating some liberty. You do know that the nassar he's referring to was a dictator right? And in Islamic countries, a secular leaning dictator normally allows more liberty than the sharia or the muslim brotherhood would allow. This is why i said "SOME liberty." |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:48:46 PM EDT
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The problem was that a lot of the "moderate" modernization was pretty superficial. Despite 1950's dresses, and then 70's bell-bottoms... wmen were still pretty much hemmed in by Middle Eastern cultural norms or Sharia law. And the women who were in universities etc. or had "careers" as nurses, or teachers etc. whatever, were often the indulged children of upper middle class, to upper class families. Much like how rich women from Saudi Arabia can shuck their burkas and drink on the plane the minute the ding goes off signifying they've left Saudi airspace on their vacation to Monaco or whatnot... Except that this limited "liberalization" was practiced at home, and in larger cities.
I'd be hard pressed to believe it was ever like that for the rank and file poor women in these countries, outside of wealthy families, and in larger cities. Besides all the money from oil, and all the various political movements that have carried fundamentalist Islam around in the post WWII era and the end of British colonialism in the Middle East, I think a part of it was that instead of resisting, many women went with the flow as their countries radicalized, and saw adopting Hajibs Burkas etc. as actually empowering them a bit. http://media.vocativ.com/photos/2013/12/Female-Fighters-Iran-013924638904.jpg |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:50:07 PM EDT
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1979 is the pivotal year: Iranian revolution,Grand Mosque seizure and Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Those 3 events were enormous in creating today's problems.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:52:18 PM EDT
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i wouldn't call them progressives, because progressives are VERY authoritarian, like the muslim brotherhood. I guess if i had to label them, I would just call them more westernized, in the sense of appreciating some liberty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
i wouldn't call them progressives, because progressives are VERY authoritarian, like the muslim brotherhood. I guess if i had to label them, I would just call them more westernized, in the sense of appreciating some liberty. Tell me if this doesn't sound familiar: 'For Nasser was a man of the Egyptian soil who had overthrown the Middle East's most established and sophisticated monarchy in a swift and bloodless move—to the acclaim of millions of poor, oppressed Egyptians—and ushered in a programme of 'social justice', 'progress and development', and 'dignity'' I've heard these words before, social justice, progress and development, and dignity have been repeated quite often and recently by a very specific party here in the US trying to push progressive ideals (social reform or new, liberal ideas) to "fundamentally transform" a nation's culture. Read about General Nassar's regime, he took power by launching a military coup to oust the King of Egypt. He was the very definition of an authoritative leader. So he was pushing social reform or new, liberal ideas and doing so by authoritative means. IE. He was a progressive. But then again, most Arab Nationalist and Ba'athist were as well. Sprinkling in socialism, dictatorship, a bit of old fashioned Islam, and nationalism/Arab-centric politics. |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:53:39 PM EDT
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1979 is the pivotal year: Iranian revolution,Grand Mosque seizure and Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Those 3 events were enormous in creating today's problems. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yes, but the Saudi's and their brand of ultra-conservative Wahhabi Sunni Islam did that job on the more populous and geographically larger Sunni regions of the ME when they got rich from oil. |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 12:58:51 PM EDT
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Yes, but the Saudi's and their brand of ultra-conservative Wahhabi Sunni Islam did that job on the more populous and geographically larger Sunni regions of the ME when they got rich from oil. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1979 is the pivotal year: Iranian revolution,Grand Mosque seizure and Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Those 3 events were enormous in creating today's problems. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yes, but the Saudi's and their brand of ultra-conservative Wahhabi Sunni Islam did that job on the more populous and geographically larger Sunni regions of the ME when they got rich from oil. It was a reaction to the radicals that the way to keep them from opposing the House of Saud was to give more and more conservative religion. The U.S. was fine with that at a time when Brezezinksi was in Pakistan telling the mujahideen that theirs indeed was a holy war. |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 1:29:09 PM EDT
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There is a picture somewhere of graduating women at the university in cairo in different years, and the closer we get to today, the more and more they were made to cover up. I will try to find it. I think it was originally posted by Nonie Darwish, but I could be mistaken. EDIT: found it with 10 seconds of google How the Veil Conquered Cairo Quote HistoryQuoted:
There is a picture somewhere of graduating women at the university in cairo in different years, and the closer we get to today, the more and more they were made to cover up. I will try to find it. I think it was originally posted by Nonie Darwish, but I could be mistaken. EDIT: found it with 10 seconds of google How the Veil Conquered Cairo These photos represent the gradual but steady Islamic radicalization invading the Middle East and the rest of the world in the last three decades. I lived in Egypt until the year 1978 and have never wore a head cover, neither did my mother or grandmother. And this is thanks to a feminist movement that started in Cairo in 1919 under the leadership of the famous Egyptian feminist Hoda Shaarawi. from the article with those pictures talking about why Hoda Shaarawi was able to take off her head gear in public and live... pretty enlightening.. FP: What were the circumstances at that time that allowed Hoda Shaarawi to engage in this act of freedom of conscience? Darwish: The reason she was not killed then but actually protected, and was able to start a reform movement in Egypt, was due to many reasons. First and most important was the existence of the British in the area. They helped protected the peace, minorities and equal rights. Second, the Egyptian king was moderate and wanted to bring modernity to Egypt. Third, this was the pre-petrodollar era of wealth in Saudi Arabia which was still weak and poor. Fourth, the Muslim Brotherhood was not yet in existence. |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 1:37:52 PM EDT
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I've always said I'd love to go back to Afghanistan to visit once shit calms down over there. It really is a beautiful country, the people are quite hospitable and the food is amazing. I fell in love with Kabuli Palau when I was last there.
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Posted: 9/4/2015 1:40:00 PM EDT
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So...Nasser is a good guy now? The fuck?
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Posted: 9/4/2015 1:42:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a picture somewhere of graduating women at the university in cairo in different years, and the closer we get to today, the more and more they were made to cover up. I will try to find it. I think it was originally posted by Nonie Darwish, but I could be mistaken. EDIT: found it with 10 seconds of google How the Veil Conquered Cairo Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a picture somewhere of graduating women at the university in cairo in different years, and the closer we get to today, the more and more they were made to cover up. I will try to find it. I think it was originally posted by Nonie Darwish, but I could be mistaken. EDIT: found it with 10 seconds of google How the Veil Conquered Cairo These photos represent the gradual but steady Islamic radicalization invading the Middle East and the rest of the world in the last three decades. I lived in Egypt until the year 1978 and have never wore a head cover, neither did my mother or grandmother. And this is thanks to a feminist movement that started in Cairo in 1919 under the leadership of the famous Egyptian feminist Hoda Shaarawi. |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 2:01:54 PM EDT
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That's pretty interesting. My how that country has regressed. Most Muslim countries had no oppressive rules toward women up till the early 1980's. It's a completely new phenomenon for women to wear Burka's, the last time they did was hundreds of years ago. Cairo 1978. 
Cairo 2005 
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Posted: 9/4/2015 2:06:45 PM EDT
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Most Muslim countries had no oppressive rules toward women up till the early 1980's. It's a completely new phenomenon for women to wear Burka's, the last time they did was hundreds of years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's pretty interesting. My how that country has regressed. Most Muslim countries had no oppressive rules toward women up till the early 1980's. It's a completely new phenomenon for women to wear Burka's, the last time they did was hundreds of years ago. The urban elite of occupied Arab nations often adopted the practices of western cultures to one degree or another, this started in the early 1800s when the English took Egypt from the French, who had taken it from the Ottomans. After WWI, when the French and English got into the Middle East, more western cultural practices were adopted, but almost solely by the urban elite. The average Arab was not a rich city dweller, their cultures never really changed at all. Go outside cities to the rural farming areas, doesn't matter if its outside Baghdad, Damascus, or Cairo, the people are nearly unchanged culturally minus a few technological conveniences like cars, electrical, air conditioning. Its the same in Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, and other places. |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 2:08:06 PM EDT
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Most Muslim countries had no oppressive rules toward women up till the early 1980's. It's a completely new phenomenon for women to wear Burka's, the last time they did was hundreds of years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's pretty interesting. My how that country has regressed. Most Muslim countries had no oppressive rules toward women up till the early 1980's. It's a completely new phenomenon for women to wear Burka's, the last time they did was hundreds of years ago. It has been described as the pendulum swinging (region shifting over time between more a secular society and conservative religious), only problem is - right now they are at the opposing side from the rest of the world. And when the world is flat, they have taken personal issue with our location in the swing. |
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Posted: 9/4/2015 4:06:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It has been described as the pendulum swinging (region shifting over time between more a secular society and conservative religious), only problem is - right now they are at the opposing side from the rest of the world. And when the world is flat, they have taken personal issue with our location in the swing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's pretty interesting. My how that country has regressed. Most Muslim countries had no oppressive rules toward women up till the early 1980's. It's a completely new phenomenon for women to wear Burka's, the last time they did was hundreds of years ago. It has been described as the pendulum swinging (region shifting over time between more a secular society and conservative religious), only problem is - right now they are at the opposing side from the rest of the world. And when the world is flat, they have taken personal issue with our location in the swing. uhm not hundreds. mostly early 20th century when the caliphate fell after ww1. |
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