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Link Posted: 10/31/2015 5:20:08 PM EDT
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This
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This.  It's stupid easy.  
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Save a few hundred and do a form 1 titanium build. Check out the suppressor forum for lots of build info.
This.  It's stupid easy.  


Does a form 1 get approved faster than a form 4?  

That would be good incentive to form1 and build.
Link Posted: 10/31/2015 7:01:56 PM EDT
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YHM

Good price, built like a tank,
Lifetime warranty,
Widest availability of threads for brakes and FHs with best price on them and good availability.
Link Posted: 10/31/2015 10:56:49 PM EDT
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Does a form 1 get approved faster than a form 4?  

That would be good incentive to form1 and build.
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Save a few hundred and do a form 1 titanium build. Check out the suppressor forum for lots of build info.
This.  It's stupid easy.  


Does a form 1 get approved faster than a form 4?  

That would be good incentive to form1 and build.

With eforms, typically yes.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 12:14:26 AM EDT
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Stumbled across some CAD files for various suppressor tubes and baffles...anyone use these? Anything wrong with doing so? Assuming you don't assemble anything unlit your stamp comes back.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 12:37:50 AM EDT
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Stumbled across some CAD files for various suppressor tubes and baffles...anyone use these? Anything wrong with doing so? Assuming you don't assemble anything unlit your stamp comes back.
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We don't know we haven't seen them, you have.  

Not sure about patented items for a home builder, I'm sure your not supposed to, but they would have to go after you about it.

Lots of people show what they have done inside of their suppressor to see what people think and to share their experiments.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 1:14:27 AM EDT
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If you're going to Form 4, the SiCo Omega seems the obvious choice to me right now.

It's much lighter and better performing than comparables.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 10:42:57 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/1/2015 12:07:06 PM EDT
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M4-2000.  It's an old design and it's still the gold standard for center fire .22's.  Mount system is sinple and effective, its tough and quiet, and it's available.

What's not to like?

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Link Posted: 11/1/2015 12:21:00 PM EDT
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Ti Halo

12 ounces and mounts to an A2 flashider.

I love mine!
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 12:56:17 PM EDT
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Man, look at that thing!

You are partying like it's 1999, for sure.

Now you just need a C-more on a gooseneck mount.
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I <3 my Halo can.

I am considering buying another one, the newer TI one but I don't think it fits over vortex FH like this one.


Man, look at that thing!

You are partying like it's 1999, for sure.

Now you just need a C-more on a gooseneck mount.


I have a free gooseneck I'll ship CWG.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 12:59:56 PM EDT
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M4-2000.  It's an old design and it's still the gold standard for center fire .22's.  Mount system is sinple and effective, its tough and quiet, and it's available.

What's not to like?

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Expense, mounting system.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 1:00:42 PM EDT
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Expense, mounting system.
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M4-2000.  It's an old design and it's still the gold standard for center fire .22's.  Mount system is sinple and effective, its tough and quiet, and it's available.

What's not to like?

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Expense, mounting system.

Then buy the thread on version.  However, we both know 51t works perfectly and if you don't like the rattle then you modify the mount.

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Link Posted: 11/1/2015 1:12:35 PM EDT
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Silencerco Saker.



My only centerfire rifle can is an SDN-6.  I'm happy with it, but the features of the Saker are better.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 1:16:52 PM EDT
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I have an Innovative Arms Deception 7.62 can. The reason, I can  use it on everything I own. Not real expensive, and probably can't tell the difference from one that's double the price.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 1:18:00 PM EDT
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Then buy the thread on version.  However, we both know 51t works perfectly and if you don't like the rattle then you modify the mount.

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M4-2000.  It's an old design and it's still the gold standard for center fire .22's.  Mount system is sinple and effective, its tough and quiet, and it's available.

What's not to like?

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Expense, mounting system.

Then buy the thread on version.  However, we both know 51t works perfectly and if you don't like the rattle then you modify the mount.

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I guess we both know that.  My best friend has the SDN6 with the 51t along with a Saker with 51t Saker mounts.  The SDN6 locks up much tighter to the Saker 51t mounts than to the AAC 51t mounts.

Personally, I'd be looking hard at the Sig cans, especially for price point.  Also as I mentioned earlier, the Specwar 556K is an excellent choice.  Either the Sig or the Specwar are noticeably cheaper than the M42K.  The M42k is still a great can but not that cheap and missing on features that other cans in the same or lesser price range have.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 1:18:46 PM EDT
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I <3 my Halo can.

I am considering buying another one, the newer TI one but I don't think it fits over vortex FH like this one.
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What is the length of that barrel?  Looking  for a 11.5" 1x7" with standard front sight post and not having much luck.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 1:32:16 PM EDT
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I just ordered the new Griffin M4SDK, I think it's the best looking can for an SBR.
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I guess we both know that.  My best friend has the SDN6 with the 51t along with a Saker with 51t Saker mounts.  The SDN6 locks up much tighter to the Saker 51t mounts than to the AAC 51t mounts.

Personally, I'd be looking hard at the Sig cans, especially for price point.  Also as I mentioned earlier, the Spectra 556K is an excellent choice.  Either the Sig or the Specwar are noticeably cheaper than the M42K.  The M42k is still a great can but not that cheap and missing on features that other cans in the same or lesser price range have.
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M4-2000.  It's an old design and it's still the gold standard for center fire .22's.  Mount system is sinple and effective, its tough and quiet, and it's available.

What's not to like?

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Expense, mounting system.

Then buy the thread on version.  However, we both know 51t works perfectly and if you don't like the rattle then you modify the mount.

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I guess we both know that.  My best friend has the SDN6 with the 51t along with a Saker with 51t Saker mounts.  The SDN6 locks up much tighter to the Saker 51t mounts than to the AAC 51t mounts.

Personally, I'd be looking hard at the Sig cans, especially for price point.  Also as I mentioned earlier, the Spectra 556K is an excellent choice.  Either the Sig or the Specwar are noticeably cheaper than the M42K.  The M42k is still a great can but not that cheap and missing on features that other cans in the same or lesser price range have.


Just checked prices at my local dealer (highly recommended!).

The Sigs and the Specwar are hundreds less than the AAC SR5 (he doesn't stock the M42k, not sure if it is being discontinued?).
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 1:42:49 PM EDT
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Specwar 556 K.


Yep

That's what I'm looking at myself.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 1:45:55 PM EDT
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That's what I'm looking at myself.
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Specwar 556 K.


Yep

That's what I'm looking at myself.


I would do that and then if in the future you need a 762 can, you will be able to share mounts with an Omega.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 1:48:12 PM EDT
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It took me three months for a form 4 10 months ago.

Just an FYI
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 1:48:17 PM EDT
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I believe that's myth and bullshit.  I am the manufacturer and I can repair my product if I need to.

Please provide some proof of your claim.
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I believe that's myth and bullshit.  I am the manufacturer and I can repair my product if I need to.

Please provide some proof of your claim.



I can't access this document now, but it has been discussed openly on here:

A baffle is a silencer under ATF definition.  So to create a new baffle, you create a new silencer, therefore another $200 or send it to an SOT.


www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter66.txt
DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS
WASHINGTON, DC 20226

AUG 23 1999

901040:GS
5320/99-0115

Dear Mr. Bardwell:

This is in response to your letter of June 28, 1999, regarding the
repair of a silencer by an individual owner. You ask "whether it
is lawful for the owner of a lawfully possessed silencer ... to
repair that silencer himself, by replacing unserialized internal
components with new components of his own making." You cited the
replacement of a worn out plastic "wipe" or damaged baffle as an
example.

As you are aware, the terms "firearm silencer" and "firearm
muffler" mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing
the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of
parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling
or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part
intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication. Thus,
certain internal components, intended only for use in a silencer,
are silencers as defined.

If an individual made one of these parts, even for use as a
replacement part, the individual would be making a silencer. Under
the provisions of the National Firearms Act, any person must apply
for and receive permission to make a silencer and pay the making
tax for each silencer made. This would require the individual
owner to file an ATF Form 1 application for each silencer part to
be made with the payment of $200.00 for each application prior to
making any replacement part.

In regard to the two parts in your cited example, we consider a
baffle to be a silencer, but a wipe, which is usually nothing more
than a rubber or plastic disc with a hole in it, is generally not
considered to be a silencer. Thus an individual owner could
replace a wipe.

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Mr. Bardwell

For the replacement of a part or parts that meet the definition of
a silencer, the individual owner would need to arrange for the
transfer of the silencer to a Federal firearms licensee who is
qualified to manufacture silencers.

If you have questions about the classification of other silencer
components, please provide us with a description of them or should
any additional information be needed, please contact Gary Schiable
at (202) 927-8330.


Sincerely yours,

[signed]
Kent M. Cousins
Chief, National Firearms Act Branch

and then this (color added by tony_k):
www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter67.txt

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS
WASHINGTON, DC 20226

30 AUG 1999

901040:GS
5320/990132

Dear Mr. Bardwell:

This is in response to your letter of June 30, 1999, in which you
ask an additional question concerning the repair of a silencer.
You state that our letter of April 19, 1999, indicated that the
original manufacturer of a defective silencer could replace the
serial numbered component with a new component with the same serial
number, on an exchange basis, with no additional transfer tax due
(assuming the original manufacturer was still in business). You
also stated that our letter indicated that anyone licensed as a
manufacturer of NFA (National Firearms Act) firearms could replace
internal, unmarked components of a silencer, whether they made it
originally or not.

You ask "what if the original manufacturer of a silencer is no
longer in business; may a different manufacturer then replace the
serial numbered component of the silencer with a replacement
component bearing the same serial number as the defective one, and
with no additional transfer tax due? Or are owners of silencer
made by defunct companies unable to get this sort of repair done,
except by getting a new silencer, with the attendant transfer taxes
and other requirements?"

Our letter state "A silencer which is unusable due to a
manufacturer's defect, may be replaced without incurring transfer
tax, only if the silencer is returned to the original manufacturer
for repair and the original manufacturer is licensed as a
manufacturer of firearms and has currently paid SOT as a
manufacturer of firearms." Only the original manufacturer may
replace a defective silencer with one bearing the same markings and
without incurring transfer tax. If the original manufacturer of
the silencer is no longer qualified to manufacture NFA firearms,
such as by no longer being in business, they any replacement would
involve the making of a new silencer with the appropriate
registration and transfer tax.

Should any additional information be needed, please contact Gary
Schiable at (202) 927-8330.


Sincerely yours,

[signed]
Kent M. Cousins
Chief, National Firearms Act Branch
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 1:52:08 PM EDT
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What is the length of that barrel?  Looking  for a 11.5" 1x7" with standard front sight post and not having much luck.
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I <3 my Halo can.

I am considering buying another one, the newer TI one but I don't think it fits over vortex FH like this one.


What is the length of that barrel?  Looking  for a 11.5" 1x7" with standard front sight post and not having much luck.


10.5

You probs wont. Best bet would be a screw set A2 FSB
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 2:08:10 PM EDT
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Hoping for a good BF deal really.
Hold out a few more weeks OP or don't.

ETA:
Tag this thread.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 2:29:38 PM EDT
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And thanks for the gooseneck offers guys but I'll pass.

I had my OG 2005 arms M68 low carry handle mount on it, strange how only ten years later I can't bring myself to chin weld.

Plus my house and property are small, so FSP point shooting is gtg.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 3:03:47 PM EDT
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I currently have an M4-2k, Specwar 556 and 762, have demoed the Saker, Omega, entire YHM lineup extensively and recently I had the pleasure of shooting the full OSS lineup the other day.  

I'm sold.

The BPR2 QD will definatly be my next can for my 10.5"

It's all about the back pressure
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 3:26:00 PM EDT
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I had my OG 2005 arms M68 low carry handle mount on it, strange how only ten years later I can't bring myself to chin weld.
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Lemme know, I've got a one here doing nothing.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 3:46:04 PM EDT
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have a rugged surge 762 on order, i'm gonna give it a shot on my 10.5" in its short version with a 5.56 endcap

up next i'll try something from dead air, then griffin, then...

I've got AAC, silencerco and YHM cans now, so far I haven't found the perfect can, so I continue the search

which just means that i'm as addicted to cans as I am to guns

Link Posted: 11/1/2015 3:59:29 PM EDT
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Right now, M42Ks run under $600 now, and 556SDs are under $500. They're not the latest and greatest, but they're solid cans and with the current very low price they're a known entity and a high quality buy.


I really like my M4SDK; I bought one of the first. Austin (Green0) had told me about them during development and I bought one from them as soon as I saw they hit the market. The new ones look awesome.
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M4-2000.  It's an old design and it's still the gold standard for center fire .22's.  Mount system is sinple and effective, its tough and quiet, and it's available.

What's not to like?

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Expense, mounting system.

Right now, M42Ks run under $600 now, and 556SDs are under $500. They're not the latest and greatest, but they're solid cans and with the current very low price they're a known entity and a high quality buy.

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I really like my M4SDK; I bought one of the first. Austin (Green0) had told me about them during development and I bought one from them as soon as I saw they hit the market. The new ones look awesome.


I'd try a Griffin in a minute if I didn't have my Saker 556.  I like everything I'm seeing out of Griffin.
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Thanks.  I've read it.  It has nothing to do with my situation, and you have fundamentally misunderstood the point of the letter.  

That letter is from a private individual who wants to service/repair a suppressor manufactured by someone else.  The ATF essentially said "only the manufacturer is allowed to do that.  Send it back to the manufacturer, and he can repair it all he wants"

I am talking about servicing/repairing a suppressor that I manufactured myself.  Thus, "sending it back to the manufacturer" involves me walking down to the garage, where I can service/repair it all I want.  .  Obviously, I am authorized to manufacture NFA firearms, because I have the Form 1 that authorizes & qualifies me to do so.

By your logic, I should have paid $200 for EACH baffle I installed in the suppressor in the first place.  The interpretation is as silly as it is incorrect.
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Plus, there's the reality of the situation.
Nobody is going to know if you do repair it, unless for some reason, you go online and brag about it. No jackboot is going to kick down your door and inspect your baffles to see if they all seem to be worn equally.
Some of the shit you people invent just to have something to worry about.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 4:48:26 PM EDT
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Do NOT make any parts until you have the stamp.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 5:28:00 PM EDT
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I'll be the odd man out here and recommend a brand of suppressors that I never see mentioned here. Ops Inc. makes some the best suppressors on the market IMHO. Like I said its my opinion and I am sure someone with disagree but I have around 20 suppressors from the big names and the Ops Inc is on par with all of them for sound suppression plus you get the bonus of a shorter overall length.

I started running them on SPR's but run them on SBR's now also.

Here's an 12.5" SBR with a Ops Inc on it-







I'm working on a new truck gun that will wear one also, it's not an SBR though-












Link Posted: 11/1/2015 5:31:06 PM EDT
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SilencerCo Omega and Specwar 556k is the duo I chose. If exclusively staying on 556 get the Specwar.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 5:43:17 PM EDT
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I really like my specwar K so far. As close to zero poi as i think is really possible (no measurable change with or without can) as quiet if not more than most full size 556 cans. Great solid lockup, that can be removed when hot or allowed to cool. Can be found for around $600. Silencerco's customer support has quickly become hailed around here as the gold standard. And at only 13.7oz it is easy to shoot offhand on my 11.5" sbr.

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No, but they are filling .mil orders. Wait time quoted to me in early July was 'early 2016 we think' for a serial number.

I'd still like to have one, but I'll wait till they are on shelves and re evaluate the market options then. Easy for me since I have the socom already.
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Surefire SOCOM300 SPS

Thats the one I want , lol

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I gave up on it. When LaRue can manufacter faster than you, you're doing it wrong.


What? Are they vaporware???

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No, but they are filling .mil orders. Wait time quoted to me in early July was 'early 2016 we think' for a serial number.

I'd still like to have one, but I'll wait till they are on shelves and re evaluate the market options then. Easy for me since I have the socom already.



I have one currently in jail. Been in for 2 months, so hoping to get it by New Years.

So they are out in the wild.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 6:02:29 PM EDT
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Lots of good options out there. List your priorities and it will be easier to make suggestions.

Commercial first, build second. Repeat.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 6:19:03 PM EDT
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whatever brand you decide, get a .30 cal can.
Link Posted: 11/1/2015 6:27:10 PM EDT
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I went the 30cal (762-SDN-6) route during the Damn The Man promotion.   Im glad I did as I move it around between 5.56 ARs, 300 BLK SBR and the Scar 17.  Now I plan to Form 1 efile and pick up some dedicated cans for specific hosts, but Im glad I went 30 cal on the first one.

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