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Posted: 12/18/2015 11:41:16 PM EDT
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My 551 is made in 2003. Am I not covered by this?
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Posted: 12/18/2015 11:42:35 PM EDT
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Unless the price just drops to nothing. Its a gamble either way.. Best of luck to all of us :-) All i know is this shit blows. I loved my eotech. I loved the reticle and i love the site picture. My aim point is ok. My other sights are ok. but my first love is always my Eotech and its going to blow not having that sum bitch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well I filled out the return request form for both my EXPS3-4 and the G23 FTS magnifier. The EXPS is going for $629.99 and the G23 is discontinued but I found it listed for $549.99. That's a grand total of $1,179.98. After reading all this I am hesitant as well to send it in until people actually start getting checks. What to do, what to do. I had that thought and what i came up with.. Who knows how long they will approve that shit.. Checks could take well up to a year to actually materialize and by that time they may have stopped accepting the returns or changed how they handled them. Im going to trust Eotech and L3 to either A cut me a check or B. send me a fixed Optic. I simply cant imagine in any scenario that they just straight up fuck me out of the optic i just sent them. I can imagine them getting overwhelmed and shutting off the tap or checks taking so long that who knows what happens a year from now. Yea but I figured I could always sell it somewhere and make something back...if I have it that is. I am building a SBR right now and don't feel like having that kind of coin tied up in limbo. If I can sell that combo for even $800 then I can have my optic of choice on my new "go to" rifle. After that it will be a lot easier for me to come up with $424 for an Aimpoint PRO to sit on the rifle the Eotech shit came off of. In all honesty the only reason I really liked the magnifier was that I could get a better zero. It just made the dot crispier. I never used it after that. I guess I could put my spotting scope behind the rifle if I wanted the same results.  Unless the price just drops to nothing. Its a gamble either way.. Best of luck to all of us :-) All i know is this shit blows. I loved my eotech. I loved the reticle and i love the site picture. My aim point is ok. My other sights are ok. but my first love is always my Eotech and its going to blow not having that sum bitch. I feel your pain. I do love that reticle. And the exps3-4 with a magnifier is the tits...even though I never used it.
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Posted: 12/18/2015 11:48:18 PM EDT
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My 551 is made in 2003. Am I not covered by this? Yes, you are covered. Others have gotten approval for the same model and year of manufacture. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 11:51:50 PM EDT
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My XPS2 was delivered today via USPS. Lets see how long a refund takes.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 2:24:45 AM EDT
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My XPS2 was delivered today via USPS. Lets see how long a refund takes. Prob gonna take a long ass time. I looked at the eotech frequently asked questions on their page today and they added these questions/issues that came up to the top of the list. Seemed like they were trying to downplay the wording to me, or make it sound "normal" etc. I got a kick out of the wording tho.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:34:27 AM EDT
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Prob gonna take a long ass time. I looked at the eotech frequently asked questions on their page today and they added these questions/issues that came up to the top of the list. Seemed like they were trying to downplay the wording to me, or make it sound "normal" etc. I got a kick out of the wording tho. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My XPS2 was delivered today via USPS. Lets see how long a refund takes. Prob gonna take a long ass time. I looked at the eotech frequently asked questions on their page today and they added these questions/issues that came up to the top of the list. Seemed like they were trying to downplay the wording to me, or make it sound "normal" etc. I got a kick out of the wording tho. That's what scares me so much. I love the Eotech reticle.....but it seems like they are keeping pretty quite about it and just slapping disclaimers on their sights hoping their name and previous popularity keep them afloat. Still selling to distributors, still "fixing" sights. Yet they now say in tiny letters that the sight wont perform in different temps. I'm in GA super humid. Plus if I zero a sight in late Sept it can be 90 degrees....but if I go back out on the first of Nov it can be 30 and I have to re-zero according to them. Man..... |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:26:28 AM EDT
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That's what scares me so much. I love the Eotech reticle.....but it seems like they are keeping pretty quite about it and just slapping disclaimers on their sights hoping their name and previous popularity keep them afloat. Still selling to distributors, still "fixing" sights. Yet they now say in tiny letters that the sight wont perform in different temps. I'm in GA super humid. Plus if I zero a sight in late Sept it can be 90 degrees....but if I go back out on the first of Nov it can be 30 and I have to re-zero according to them. Man..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My XPS2 was delivered today via USPS. Lets see how long a refund takes. Prob gonna take a long ass time. I looked at the eotech frequently asked questions on their page today and they added these questions/issues that came up to the top of the list. Seemed like they were trying to downplay the wording to me, or make it sound "normal" etc. I got a kick out of the wording tho. That's what scares me so much. I love the Eotech reticle.....but it seems like they are keeping pretty quite about it and just slapping disclaimers on their sights hoping their name and previous popularity keep them afloat. Still selling to distributors, still "fixing" sights. Yet they now say in tiny letters that the sight wont perform in different temps. I'm in GA super humid. Plus if I zero a sight in late Sept it can be 90 degrees....but if I go back out on the first of Nov it can be 30 and I have to re-zero according to them. Man..... Not making any excuses for Eotech, just want to note: co-witnessing iron sights will give you validation of your dot's zero...if it wanders more than just 1 or 2 MOA, at least. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 3:04:51 PM EDT
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Yes, you are covered. Others have gotten approval for the same model and year of manufacture. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My 551 is made in 2003. Am I not covered by this? Yes, you are covered. Others have gotten approval for the same model and year of manufacture. Yep. My 551 manufactured in March 2003 was approved. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:58:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. My 551 manufactured in March 2003 was approved. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My 551 is made in 2003. Am I not covered by this? Yes, you are covered. Others have gotten approval for the same model and year of manufacture. Yep. My 551 manufactured in March 2003 was approved.  |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:08:18 PM EDT
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Why the hell would UPS try to deliver my sight at 3:49am!
I got my Aimpoint Pro today. I ran a magnifier behind my Eotech but do not like the look of the Aimpoint with a magnifier.....just seems too bulky/long. For those of you with Aimpoints, do you leave them on? I know the battery will last 3 years on, but I can't help but turn it off. Just seems like the dot's life would not last as long if left on. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:35:01 PM EDT
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Why the hell would UPS try to deliver my sight at 3:49am!
I got my Aimpoint Pro today. I ran a magnifier behind my Eotech but do not like the look of the Aimpoint with a magnifier.....just seems too bulky/long. For those of you with Aimpoints, do you leave them on? I know the battery will last 3 years on, but I can't help but turn it off. Just seems like the dot's life would not last as long if left on. I turn mine all the way down. Some guys leave them on, but I just don't see the point. If it's on something ready to go at a moments notice, fine. Otherwise why bother? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:55:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why the hell would UPS try to deliver my sight at 3:49am! I got my Aimpoint Pro today. I ran a magnifier behind my Eotech but do not like the look of the Aimpoint with a magnifier.....just seems too bulky/long. For those of you with Aimpoints, do you leave them on? I know the battery will last 3 years on, but I can't help but turn it off. Just seems like the dot's life would not last as long if left on. Yeah, something that works well with a magnifier is what I'm searching for. Apparently nothing comes close to EoTech... Hell, the only other 1 moa RDS I can really find is the Leupold LCO, and it's pretty weak considering the price. I may be holding out to see if EOTech ever releases something close to what I thought I already had. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:24:03 AM EDT
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For those of you with Aimpoints, do you leave them on? I know the battery will last 3 years on, but I can't help but turn it off. Just seems like the dot's life would not last as long if left on. Hmmm....what erodes its reliable lifetime more quickly, burning constantly...or...being turned on and off more often? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:26:04 AM EDT
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I'm worried if I'll ever get a refund but mine is going back.
On the joking side, perhaps the real reason EOTechs have the ring in the reticle is because the round will hit somewhere within it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:01:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My 551 is made in 2003. Am I not covered by this? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 3:07:54 AM EDT
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At this point I don't think we will be seeing a refund. EOTech is just going to keep our optics. LMAO
My EXPS3_Tan was approved the next day, sent it Fedex earlier this month. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 4:00:24 AM EDT
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sure, but why would you want to buy a product that the manufacturer has said is basically guaranteed to fail, at any price? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FWIW... per a work email, anyone who is using an EOTech has to remove them immediately. Iron sights are to be used until a different sighting system is purchased and qualified with. They were also directed to contact L3 for a refund. Damn. I wish eotech was NOT doing the refund. Cheap eotechs would be laying all over the place.  Sell them to airsofters. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 7:21:05 AM EDT
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For those of you with Aimpoints, do you leave them on? I know the battery will last 3 years on, but I can't help but turn it off. Just seems like the dot's life would not last as long if left on. Hmmm....what erodes its reliable lifetime more quickly, burning constantly...or...being turned on and off more often? I read his question like turning it off before it's sitting in the safe for a month or 2. Not being turned on and off 15 times a day. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 7:28:55 AM EDT
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My 551 is made in 2003. Am I not covered by this? I returned my May 2003 551.A65 |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 10:01:53 AM EDT
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has anybody seen any money yet?
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Posted: 12/20/2015 10:27:49 AM EDT
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For those of you with Aimpoints, do you leave them on? I know the battery will last 3 years on, but I can't help but turn it off. Just seems like the dot's life would not last as long if left on. Hmmm....what erodes its reliable lifetime more quickly, burning constantly...or...being turned on and off more often? Most LED's have a life expectancy of approx 50,000 hours. I'm not 100% sure Aimpoint uses an LED. Either way, it wouldn't be foolish to think that when I'm done shooting at the range I would be tempted to turn the sight off before storing my rifle for anywhere between a week or a couple of months, instead of having the LED constantly stay on. I was not talking about turning it off after each shot I take. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 10:37:34 AM EDT
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Mine was delivered last Wednesday to Eotech (sent insured, signature required via FedEx). Have a MRO sitting under the tree to replace it
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Posted: 12/20/2015 11:01:05 AM EDT
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Sending my 512.A65 back Monday; USPS, medium flat rate priority box, insured - so I can have an electronic signature on file.
However, this whole thread makes me scratch my head as much as this pic of a drive thru ATM. 
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:21:45 PM EDT
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I'm going to stick mine on a shotgun until I see people getting checks. 4MOA at 50 yards is 2" and with buckshot that's nothing. My experience with EOTech's on high recoil platforms has been quite negative... But whatever works for you. We have one on M240B at work.....it holds a zero....they are going back.... |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:47:15 PM EDT
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Instead of returning them you could send them in for a fix. Eotech said they now have a permanent fix for the issues. I just got my exps3 back and it looks perfect again.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 3:22:51 PM EDT
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Instead of returning them you could send them in for a fix. Eotech said they now have a permanent fix for the issues. I just got my exps3 back and it looks perfect again. Curious where you read this because it sounds like Internet heresay. As far as I know, nothing has been officially stated by L3/EOTech that they have remedied the issue. IMO, if that was the case, they wouldn't be offering reimbursement for zillions of holographic weapon sights through a refund-specific campaign, they would be taking an entirely different approach to bring all those sights in house to fix them. And they ain't doing that... |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 3:46:23 PM EDT
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Curious where you read this because it sounds like Internet heresay. As far as I know, nothing has been officially stated by L3/EOTech that they have remedied the issue. IMO, if that was the case, they wouldn't be offering reimbursement for zillions of holographic weapon sights through a refund-specific campaign, they would be taking an entirely different approach to bring all those sights in house to fix them. And they ain't doing that... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Instead of returning them you could send them in for a fix. Eotech said they now have a permanent fix for the issues. I just got my exps3 back and it looks perfect again. Curious where you read this because it sounds like Internet heresay. As far as I know, nothing has been officially stated by L3/EOTech that they have remedied the issue. IMO, if that was the case, they wouldn't be offering reimbursement for zillions of holographic weapon sights through a refund-specific campaign, they would be taking an entirely different approach to bring all those sights in house to fix them. And they ain't doing that... I was told by three different people over the phone. I sent it in and got it back. So far so go |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 4:01:28 PM EDT
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I was told by three different people over the phone. I sent it in and got it back. So far so go Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Instead of returning them you could send them in for a fix. Eotech said they now have a permanent fix for the issues. I just got my exps3 back and it looks perfect again. Curious where you read this because it sounds like Internet heresay. As far as I know, nothing has been officially stated by L3/EOTech that they have remedied the issue. IMO, if that was the case, they wouldn't be offering reimbursement for zillions of holographic weapon sights through a refund-specific campaign, they would be taking an entirely different approach to bring all those sights in house to fix them. And they ain't doing that... I was told by three different people over the phone. I sent it in and got it back. So far so go What date did you send it in? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 4:09:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was told by three different people over the phone. I sent it in and got it back. So far so go Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Instead of returning them you could send them in for a fix. Eotech said they now have a permanent fix for the issues. I just got my exps3 back and it looks perfect again. Curious where you read this because it sounds like Internet heresay. As far as I know, nothing has been officially stated by L3/EOTech that they have remedied the issue. IMO, if that was the case, they wouldn't be offering reimbursement for zillions of holographic weapon sights through a refund-specific campaign, they would be taking an entirely different approach to bring all those sights in house to fix them. And they ain't doing that... I was told by three different people over the phone. I sent it in and got it back. So far so go What exactly did they say they fixed? Somehow, I doubt it included the wandering zero in sub freezing temps. Any documentation you can share? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 4:41:16 PM EDT
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Instead of returning them you could send them in for a fix. Eotech said they now have a permanent fix for the issues. I just got my exps3 back and it looks perfect again. Curious where you read this because it sounds like Internet heresay. As far as I know, nothing has been officially stated by L3/EOTech that they have remedied the issue. IMO, if that was the case, they wouldn't be offering reimbursement for zillions of holographic weapon sights through a refund-specific campaign, they would be taking an entirely different approach to bring all those sights in house to fix them. And they ain't doing that... I was told by three different people over the phone. I sent it in and got it back. So far so go What date did you send it in? Nov 27. I sent it in a few days before all this went down. So I called them while they had it and they told me multiple times not to worry and it will be fixed Permanently |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:52:17 PM EDT
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Nov 27. I sent it in a few days before all this went down. So I called them while they had it and they told me multiple times not to worry and it will be fixed Permanently Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Instead of returning them you could send them in for a fix. Eotech said they now have a permanent fix for the issues. I just got my exps3 back and it looks perfect again. Curious where you read this because it sounds like Internet heresay. As far as I know, nothing has been officially stated by L3/EOTech that they have remedied the issue. IMO, if that was the case, they wouldn't be offering reimbursement for zillions of holographic weapon sights through a refund-specific campaign, they would be taking an entirely different approach to bring all those sights in house to fix them. And they ain't doing that... I was told by three different people over the phone. I sent it in and got it back. So far so go What date did you send it in? Nov 27. I sent it in a few days before all this went down. So I called them while they had it and they told me multiple times not to worry and it will be fixed Permanently From what I have been told about this "fix" they still only guarantee the zero stays within 4 MOA. I was told this came from EOTech representatives, but have seen nothing backing this up. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:55:42 PM EDT
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Waiting till after Christmas to send mine back that way someone will be there to accept it.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 6:58:08 PM EDT
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From what I have been told about this "fix" they still only guarantee the zero stays within 4 MOA. I was told this came from EOTech representatives, but have seen nothing backing this up. That's a lot. Combined with a 4moa rifle that can add up to a lot of man sized missed past 100 yards. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 7:00:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nov 27. I sent it in a few days before all this went down. So I called them while they had it and they told me multiple times not to worry and it will be fixed Permanently Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Instead of returning them you could send them in for a fix. Eotech said they now have a permanent fix for the issues. I just got my exps3 back and it looks perfect again. Curious where you read this because it sounds like Internet heresay. As far as I know, nothing has been officially stated by L3/EOTech that they have remedied the issue. IMO, if that was the case, they wouldn't be offering reimbursement for zillions of holographic weapon sights through a refund-specific campaign, they would be taking an entirely different approach to bring all those sights in house to fix them. And they ain't doing that... I was told by three different people over the phone. I sent it in and got it back. So far so go What date did you send it in? Nov 27. I sent it in a few days before all this went down. So I called them while they had it and they told me multiple times not to worry and it will be fixed Permanently |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 7:00:43 PM EDT
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Yeah, not exactly the fix I was looking for.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 7:02:03 PM EDT
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From what I have been told about this "fix" they still only guarantee the zero stays within 4 MOA. I was told this came from EOTech representatives, but have seen nothing backing this up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Curious where you read this because it sounds like Internet heresay. As far as I know, nothing has been officially stated by L3/EOTech that they have remedied the issue. IMO, if that was the case, they wouldn't be offering reimbursement for zillions of holographic weapon sights through a refund-specific campaign, they would be taking an entirely different approach to bring all those sights in house to fix them. And they ain't doing that... I was told by three different people over the phone. I sent it in and got it back. So far so go What date did you send it in? Nov 27. I sent it in a few days before all this went down. So I called them while they had it and they told me multiple times not to worry and it will be fixed Permanently From what I have been told about this "fix" they still only guarantee the zero stays within 4 MOA. I was told this came from EOTech representatives, but have seen nothing backing this up. 4 moa is not bad for a read dot. But more importantly they said there is a permanent fix for the radical dimming. All of my repairs have been sent for this reason |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 7:24:13 PM EDT
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4 moa is not bad for a read dot. But more importantly they said there is a permanent fix for the radical dimming. All of my repairs have been sent for this reason Look, no disrespect to you or your story, but if they have truly "solved" the thermal drift, reticle fading, and delamination issues, they would have quickly shared this information with the .gov, .mil, directly and with the public-at-large through press releases on their site and every friggin' gun blog/news site there is, as well as written correspondence/email, etc.. Then, they would have made arrangements to immediately stop issuing refunds (and stop the financial bleeding that this is costing them) and instead, hire and train a bunch of technicians to work around the clock to "fix" all of the HWS units that have been sent in for refunds and ship them back to customers in their [apparently] "fixed for good" state. Again, that hasn't happened and there's no indication that it's going to happen. So I don't find this bit of news very helpful. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 8:42:56 PM EDT
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That's a lot. Combined with a 4moa rifle that can add up to a lot of man sized missed past 100 yards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From what I have been told about this "fix" they still only guarantee the zero stays within 4 MOA. I was told this came from EOTech representatives, but have seen nothing backing this up. That's a lot. Combined with a 4moa rifle that can add up to a lot of man sized missed past 100 yards. 
Still as acurate as half the aimpoints.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 8:51:04 PM EDT
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Aaaaaaand now my coworker is looking for a cheap used EOTech to buy and flip back to the company. lol THAT shit will ruin it for everyone. When they see that happening they WILL start requiring a reciept. So they're going to get mad that they're getting fucked after fucking everyone else? Also, the ones people buy to return are still defective. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 8:51:55 PM EDT
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Look, no disrespect to you or your story, but if they have truly "solved" the thermal drift, reticle fading, and delamination issues, they would have quickly shared this information with the .gov, .mil, directly and with the public-at-large through press releases on their site and every friggin' gun blog/news site there is, as well as written correspondence/email, etc.. Then, they would have made arrangements to immediately stop issuing refunds (and stop the financial bleeding that this is costing them) and instead, hire and train a bunch of technicians to work around the clock to "fix" all of the HWS units that have been sent in for refunds and ship them back to customers in their [apparently] "fixed for good" state. Again, that hasn't happened and there's no indication that it's going to happen. So I don't find this bit of news very helpful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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4 moa is not bad for a read dot. But more importantly they said there is a permanent fix for the radical dimming. All of my repairs have been sent for this reason Look, no disrespect to you or your story, but if they have truly "solved" the thermal drift, reticle fading, and delamination issues, they would have quickly shared this information with the .gov, .mil, directly and with the public-at-large through press releases on their site and every friggin' gun blog/news site there is, as well as written correspondence/email, etc.. Then, they would have made arrangements to immediately stop issuing refunds (and stop the financial bleeding that this is costing them) and instead, hire and train a bunch of technicians to work around the clock to "fix" all of the HWS units that have been sent in for refunds and ship them back to customers in their [apparently] "fixed for good" state. Again, that hasn't happened and there's no indication that it's going to happen. So I don't find this bit of news very helpful. Stop issuing refunds? I did not know they had started. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 9:03:58 PM EDT
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I have 2, 553's, and 1 552 all bought for steals on eBay.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 9:08:35 PM EDT
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4 moa is not bad for a read dot. But more importantly they said there is a permanent fix for the radical dimming. All of my repairs have been sent for this reason Look, no disrespect to you or your story, but if they have truly "solved" the thermal drift, reticle fading, and delamination issues, they would have quickly shared this information with the .gov, .mil, directly and with the public-at-large through press releases on their site and every friggin' gun blog/news site there is, as well as written correspondence/email, etc.. Then, they would have made arrangements to immediately stop issuing refunds (and stop the financial bleeding that this is costing them) and instead, hire and train a bunch of technicians to work around the clock to "fix" all of the HWS units that have been sent in for refunds and ship them back to customers in their [apparently] "fixed for good" state. Again, that hasn't happened and there's no indication that it's going to happen. So I don't find this bit of news very helpful. Stop issuing refunds? I did not know they had started. ETA: stop [the process of] issuing refunds. I don't think anyone has actually received a refund yet. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 9:10:01 PM EDT
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4 moa is not bad for a read dot. But more importantly they said there is a permanent fix for the radical dimming. All of my repairs have been sent for this reason Look, no disrespect to you or your story, but if they have truly "solved" the thermal drift, reticle fading, and delamination issues, they would have quickly shared this information with the .gov, .mil, directly and with the public-at-large through press releases on their site and every friggin' gun blog/news site there is, as well as written correspondence/email, etc.. Then, they would have made arrangements to immediately stop issuing refunds (and stop the financial bleeding that this is costing them) and instead, hire and train a bunch of technicians to work around the clock to "fix" all of the HWS units that have been sent in for refunds and ship them back to customers in their [apparently] "fixed for good" state. Again, that hasn't happened and there's no indication that it's going to happen. So I don't find this bit of news very helpful. Stop issuing refunds? I did not know they had started. ETA: stop [the process of] issuing refunds. I don't think anyone has actually received a refund yet. Just yanking your chain.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 9:12:46 PM EDT
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Look, no disrespect to you or your story, but if they have truly "solved" the thermal drift, reticle fading, and delamination issues, they would have quickly shared this information with the .gov, .mil, directly and with the public-at-large through press releases on their site and every friggin' gun blog/news site there is, as well as written correspondence/email, etc.. Then, they would have made arrangements to immediately stop issuing refunds (and stop the financial bleeding that this is costing them) and instead, hire and train a bunch of technicians to work around the clock to "fix" all of the HWS units that have been sent in for refunds and ship them back to customers in their [apparently] "fixed for good" state. Again, that hasn't happened and there's no indication that it's going to happen. So I don't find this bit of news very helpful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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4 moa is not bad for a read dot. But more importantly they said there is a permanent fix for the radical dimming. All of my repairs have been sent for this reason Look, no disrespect to you or your story, but if they have truly "solved" the thermal drift, reticle fading, and delamination issues, they would have quickly shared this information with the .gov, .mil, directly and with the public-at-large through press releases on their site and every friggin' gun blog/news site there is, as well as written correspondence/email, etc.. Then, they would have made arrangements to immediately stop issuing refunds (and stop the financial bleeding that this is costing them) and instead, hire and train a bunch of technicians to work around the clock to "fix" all of the HWS units that have been sent in for refunds and ship them back to customers in their [apparently] "fixed for good" state. Again, that hasn't happened and there's no indication that it's going to happen. So I don't find this bit of news very helpful. I completely agree bro. I'm fairly sure the "permanent fix" was for delamination and/or loss of nitrogen purge. If you are familiar with the EOTech internals, these issues that came up here cannot be fixed without a redesign. It's the nature of the beast, the way the Eo is built. And to the guy further up that asked, yes Aimpoint's red dot emitter is LED. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 9:20:41 PM EDT
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I completely agree bro. I'm fairly sure the "permanent fix" was for delamination and/or loss of nitrogen purge. If you are familiar with the EOTech internals, these issues that came up here cannot be fixed without a redesign. It's the nature of the beast, the way the Eo is built. And to the guy further up that asked, yes Aimpoint's red dot emitter is LED. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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4 moa is not bad for a read dot. But more importantly they said there is a permanent fix for the radical dimming. All of my repairs have been sent for this reason Look, no disrespect to you or your story, but if they have truly "solved" the thermal drift, reticle fading, and delamination issues, they would have quickly shared this information with the .gov, .mil, directly and with the public-at-large through press releases on their site and every friggin' gun blog/news site there is, as well as written correspondence/email, etc.. Then, they would have made arrangements to immediately stop issuing refunds (and stop the financial bleeding that this is costing them) and instead, hire and train a bunch of technicians to work around the clock to "fix" all of the HWS units that have been sent in for refunds and ship them back to customers in their [apparently] "fixed for good" state. Again, that hasn't happened and there's no indication that it's going to happen. So I don't find this bit of news very helpful. I completely agree bro. I'm fairly sure the "permanent fix" was for delamination and/or loss of nitrogen purge. If you are familiar with the EOTech internals, these issues that came up here cannot be fixed without a redesign. It's the nature of the beast, the way the Eo is built. And to the guy further up that asked, yes Aimpoint's red dot emitter is LED. Well If these are the real fixes they were referring to then it's the main problem and this temp thing is not a huge deal |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 9:23:52 PM EDT
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4 moa is not bad for a read dot. But more importantly they said there is a permanent fix for the radical dimming. All of my repairs have been sent for this reason Look, no disrespect to you or your story, but if they have truly "solved" the thermal drift, reticle fading, and delamination issues, they would have quickly shared this information with the .gov, .mil, directly and with the public-at-large through press releases on their site and every friggin' gun blog/news site there is, as well as written correspondence/email, etc.. Then, they would have made arrangements to immediately stop issuing refunds (and stop the financial bleeding that this is costing them) and instead, hire and train a bunch of technicians to work around the clock to "fix" all of the HWS units that have been sent in for refunds and ship them back to customers in their [apparently] "fixed for good" state. Again, that hasn't happened and there's no indication that it's going to happen. So I don't find this bit of news very helpful. I completely agree bro. I'm fairly sure the "permanent fix" was for delamination and/or loss of nitrogen purge. If you are familiar with the EOTech internals, these issues that came up here cannot be fixed without a redesign. It's the nature of the beast, the way the Eo is built. And to the guy further up that asked, yes Aimpoint's red dot emitter is LED. Well If these are the real fixes they were referring to then it's the main problem and this temp thing is not a huge deal Yeah I also think the delamination issue is a bigger deal that the temp change/wandering zero. So if they did perm fix the delamination and nitrogen purge issues then I say good on them. My beef with EOTech is the covering it up part of all of this, and straight up lies in the Manual. Up until 2 weeks ago I had owned 7 eotechs total (2 still in my possession) and 0 Aimpoints, I now own 0 EOTech's. Because of the bullshit, not performance of the sights. And to add, I traded them off. Didn't do the refund thing. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 9:28:33 PM EDT
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I'm going to stick mine on a shotgun until I see people getting checks. 4MOA at 50 yards is 2" and with buckshot that's nothing. My experience with EOTech's on high recoil platforms has been quite negative... But whatever works for you. We have one on M240B at work.....it holds a zero....they are going back.... My experience with EOTech's on higher recoil platforms has either been them eventually deciding to start randomly turning off after the weapon is fired, or simply ceasing to function completely. Never had the zero shift, though. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 9:49:06 PM EDT
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Sending my 512.A65 back Monday; USPS, medium flat rate priority box, insured - so I can have an electronic signature on file. However, this whole thread makes me scratch my head as much as this pic of a drive thru ATM.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 10:44:46 PM EDT
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I'm going to stick mine on a shotgun until I see people getting checks. 4MOA at 50 yards is 2" and with buckshot that's nothing. My experience with EOTech's on high recoil platforms has been quite negative... But whatever works for you. We have one on M240B at work.....it holds a zero....they are going back.... 240 is actually very soft recoil as far as shock to optics is concerned. Much softer than an M4. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 10:59:29 PM EDT
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