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Quoted: Well. There ya go! MBT is $125 right now! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: They can be tool steel and still be investment cast or MIM. It's obvious that's how Geissele triggers are rough formed given their embossed "G". They most likely wire EDM engagement surfaces but they are cast or injected blanks. Not that I think anything is wrong with that. I have 4 of their triggers. But I would much more prefer one made from barstock for the same price. Well. There ya go! MBT is $125 right now! I just ordered one for full price 10 days ago..lol Hopefully it shows up soon. |
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I've got two Geissele's , they are great triggers , just ordered an MBT today , couldn't pass up the price , if it's as good or close to my Geissele's , I'll be very happy
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I tried the Geissele and MBT back to back at the GA hometown forum MOA All Day Challenge and could tell very little difference between the two (break felt ever so slightly different between the two). I think they both make excellent triggers.
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I tried the Geissele and MBT back to back at the GA hometown forum MOA All Day Challenge and could tell very little difference between the two (break felt ever so slightly different between the two). I think they both make excellent triggers. View Quote I have 2 G2s triggers installed and a 3rd waiting for a build. Picked up a LaRue to compare to them. |
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I tried the Geissele and MBT back to back at the GA hometown forum MOA All Day Challenge and could tell very little difference between the two (break felt ever so slightly different between the two). I think they both make excellent triggers. View Quote I have RR 2-stages, Geisselle G2S's & ordered an MBT today. In all honesty, I like the feel of the G2S's slightly better when dry firing or shooting off the bench. They break more crisp & the second stage is a little smoother but also a little lighter pull. Reset is also more certain. Shooting 'at something', I'm will to bet I'd never which was which after shot. I think about any 'good' trigger will break you from using mil-spec (pun intended)... |
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You guys cost me money again. I hope the mbt is a significant upgrade from a LMT 2 stg.
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Absolutely love Geissele triggers. I think I have at least 5 of them now! Even their rails are top notch designs!
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Man... I'm a huge Geissele fanboy... Geissele being my favorite gun related company period.
But no need to start a war between the Geissele triggers and the Larue MBT. I've tried the Larue and really liked the trigger pull but just couldn't get over the width of the trigger blade. |
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As much as I enjoy my Geissele trigger, I think my next trigger purchase will be a CMC drop in flat trigger. I might regret it, but I think it's worth a try. |
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I'll also put it out there...
Triggers: x3 SSA-E x1 SSA x1 G2S x1 National Match - Service Rifle x1 RRA 2 stage NM trigger Rails: Mk.2 9.5in Mk.3 13in Mk.4 15in Mk.7 national match rail I'm a little bias. But they make good shit. |
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I have 3 Geissele triggers, a LaRue LT104 mount, and now an MBT on its way. Proud fanboy of both companies. Soot Kitty likes them both too. Thanks to the coolest 14er, TATBME, and his little-assed, every-hat-looks-like-Small's-hat-from-Sandlot-on-it head for the generous donation of the hats. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/KOOLmike/20151228_230706_zpsprvwizcj.jpg View Quote I stared into your cat's eyes too long, now I'm going to have to take some Nyquil to go to sleep. That's scary |
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That's really not a single stage, it's an odd rolling break. Reset is a little long too View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I really wish Geissele or Larue would make a single stage trigger. Until then I'll be buying hyperfires. I do own multiple Geissele triggers. They are nice, but I prefer single stage. https://geissele.com/super-3-gun-s3g-trigger.html If that is the trigger Stag ships in their 3 gun rifle I didn't like it. I absolutely understand the intent but it just felt too different from what I am used to. I prefer single stage triggers for the most part. I have several Armalite and Rock River two stages that are more than smooth enough for me. I picked up a CMC for black friday last year but haven't put it in anything yet. Also want to try a Timney. |
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3 LaRue MBT's
Geissele 2 SSA-E, SD-E, G2S If I had known how good the MBT's were, I never would have bought the G2S. I still love the Enhanced Geisseles tho. |
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I have 3 Geissele triggers, a LaRue LT104 mount, and now an MBT on its way. Proud fanboy of both companies. Soot Kitty likes them both too. Thanks to the coolest 14er, TATBME, and his little-assed, every-hat-looks-like-Small's-hat-from-Sandlot-on-it head for the generous donation of the hats. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/KOOLmike/20151228_230706_zpsprvwizcj.jpg I stared into your cat's eyes too long, now I'm going to have to take some Nyquil to go to sleep. That's scary He's a straight killer. Only got three legs, too. |
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Meh. I have a SD-3G and its decent for sure but its nothing like the 2oz shillen in my bolt gun or the Jewell that's in my SPR-ish AR. They are a really nice combat trigger but not a great target trigger. If all you have ever used is stock trash can triggers they are awesome.
And yes there are roughly 10 million people making triggers right now and most of the higher end ones are all pretty good. |
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Have we forgot already Has anybody else stepped up like Bill has? http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/F2DE06EE-4761-4F1C-9EFE-1BDB9AB61ECC-21113-00000CF33FCAAA2D_zps2f813327.jpg http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/438F8732-EDDB-40E0-98B5-B3A2379F821E-21113-00000CF336B14B36_zpsc6e43df8.jpg View Quote |
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Have we forgot already Has anybody else stepped up like Bill has? http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/F2DE06EE-4761-4F1C-9EFE-1BDB9AB61ECC-21113-00000CF33FCAAA2D_zps2f813327.jpg http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/438F8732-EDDB-40E0-98B5-B3A2379F821E-21113-00000CF336B14B36_zpsc6e43df8.jpg View Quote Lets be fair here, larue has donated to chris kyles, chad littlefields and imawmd's families. (still don't like Larue, #geisselelyfe ) Though those 125 dollar triggers ARE tempting and I will be buying one, I am whore, i know. |
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Quoted: I want a $50 trigger. Wake me up when someone makes a good one. Until then I'll just have to deal with my JP Enterprises and my RRA 2 stage. View Quote I have RRA 2-stage triggers, and truly there may be better triggers but I don't need them. And I grab RRA 2-stages when they are sale; haven't gotten any for $50, but damn close to that |
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I have only ever had mil spec triggers in all my guns. I polish em up, change some springs, and thread in a set screw to take up travel.
I bought a G2S on Cyber Monday for a build I'm working on and I just bought a MBT yesterday on sale. I'm not sure which one to install. The struggle is real. |
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Still king. Geissele makes a trigger for all flavors. His competitors make a trigger or maybe a couple variations thereof.
That said, I like the competition as it gives us more options. Just 10 years ago all you had were reduced power hammer springs, an adjustable jewell trigger, chip mccormick, or RRA 2 stage. |
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Still king. Geissele makes a trigger for all flavors. His competitors make a trigger or maybe a couple variations thereof. That said, I like the competition as it gives us more options. Just 10 years ago all you had were reduced power hammer springs, an adjustable jewell trigger, chip mccormick, or RRA 2 stage. View Quote Or an Armalite, JP, Compass Lake, Milazzo Kreiger, Bushmaster or Accuracy Speaks |
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Lets be fair here, larue has donated to chris kyles, chad littlefields and imawmd's families. (still don't like Larue, #geisselelyfe ) Though those 125 dollar triggers ARE tempting and I will be buying one, I am whore, i know. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Have we forgot already Has anybody else stepped up like Bill has? http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/F2DE06EE-4761-4F1C-9EFE-1BDB9AB61ECC-21113-00000CF33FCAAA2D_zps2f813327.jpg http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/438F8732-EDDB-40E0-98B5-B3A2379F821E-21113-00000CF336B14B36_zpsc6e43df8.jpg Lets be fair here, larue has donated to chris kyles, chad littlefields and imawmd's families. (still don't like Larue, #geisselelyfe ) Though those 125 dollar triggers ARE tempting and I will be buying one, I am whore, i know. We may or may not have helped here and there, and even if we did, we don't keep a list maker on staff. |
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Or an Armalite, JP, Compass Lake, Milazzo Kreiger, Bushmaster or Accuracy Speaks View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Still king. Geissele makes a trigger for all flavors. His competitors make a trigger or maybe a couple variations thereof. That said, I like the competition as it gives us more options. Just 10 years ago all you had were reduced power hammer springs, an adjustable jewell trigger, chip mccormick, or RRA 2 stage. Or an Armalite, JP, Compass Lake, Milazzo Kreiger, Bushmaster or Accuracy Speaks My point still stands |
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They can be tool steel and still be investment cast or MIM. It's obvious that's how Geissele triggers are rough formed given their embossed "G". They most likely wire EDM engagement surfaces but they are cast or injected blanks. Not that I think anything is wrong with that. I have 4 of their triggers. But I would much more prefer one made from barstock for the same price. View Quote That is my thought as well. Given nearly the same price there is no reason to buy a non-barstock machined part as long as they perform equally well. |
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There are lots of toy triggers on the market that would be fine in range use guns. Geissele makes the only quality, severe use triggers on the market. Decide what your rifle is for and spend your money accordingly. Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. He's right The other stuff is fine for toys |
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I wondered when competition was going to heat up. Hell Ruger sells some kind of upgrade trigger that comes with some kind of weird housing that looks like part of a lower.*
I don't know if Ruger sells any but I would bet they have a market that is clueless enough to not know about Geisselle and LaRue. *i assume the housing is so people who have never installed a trigger can get an idea how to do it. Still think Ruger should have gone with an enclosed trigger that just needs pins shoved through |
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Have we forgot already Has anybody else stepped up like Bill has? http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/F2DE06EE-4761-4F1C-9EFE-1BDB9AB61ECC-21113-00000CF33FCAAA2D_zps2f813327.jpg http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/438F8732-EDDB-40E0-98B5-B3A2379F821E-21113-00000CF336B14B36_zpsc6e43df8.jpg View Quote Nobody here is saying Geissele isn't a stand up company, nor is anyone here saying Larue isn't a stand up company, nor is anybody here saying that Troy is a stand up company. This thread is simply about a developing rapidly performance trigger market that was once dominated by one single company. |
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I really wish Geissele or Larue would make a single stage trigger. Until then I'll be buying hyperfires. I do own multiple Geissele triggers. They are nice, but I prefer single stage. https://geissele.com/super-3-gun-s3g-trigger.html Have you ever shot one? That's not a single stage. Still feels like a 2 stage to me. I have replaced my s3g in my 3 gun ar with an elffman 3 gun trigger. |
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Lets be fair here, larue has donated to chris kyles, chad littlefields and imawmd's families. (still don't like Larue, #geisselelyfe ) Though those 125 dollar triggers ARE tempting and I will be buying one, I am whore, i know. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Have we forgot already Has anybody else stepped up like Bill has? http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/F2DE06EE-4761-4F1C-9EFE-1BDB9AB61ECC-21113-00000CF33FCAAA2D_zps2f813327.jpg http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/438F8732-EDDB-40E0-98B5-B3A2379F821E-21113-00000CF336B14B36_zpsc6e43df8.jpg Lets be fair here, larue has donated to chris kyles, chad littlefields and imawmd's families. (still don't like Larue, #geisselelyfe ) Though those 125 dollar triggers ARE tempting and I will be buying one, I am whore, i know. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I have both Bill and Marks triggers. That's just fine with Mark donating to those that you guys know about. Nothing wrong with it. Mark donated a brand new release rifle to the guy in NJ that all of his guns were stolen. Bad ass. I'm not kicking rocks at Mark. Period, so don't take that from my post. I was just pointing out Bill stepped up and did something never seen around here before. (That I am aware of anyway) I think once you achieve a certain level (in this case triggers) it gets really hard to tell one apart. Mark giving away the monthly upper is a hell of a thing. No telling how long he has done that. I guess what I'm saying is support those that support back the customers. Because not all manufactures do (that we know of anyway) Both people are making a hell of a product, you cannot go wrong with either one. |
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I wondered when competition was going to heat up. Hell Ruger sells some kind of upgrade trigger that comes with some kind of weird housing that looks like part of a lower.* I don't know if Ruger sells any but I would bet they have a market that is clueless enough to not know about Geisselle and LaRue. *i assume the housing is so people who have never installed a trigger can get an idea how to do it. Still think Ruger should have gone with an enclosed trigger that just needs pins shoved through View Quote Ruger is going to sell a ton of those triggers. Probably already have moved more than most small companies can dream of. Their market share is the real deal. That housing might be handy for quickly testing triggers. I agree on the drop ins and think the market has shown those to be popular. |
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I'm not saying one is better than the other. I have both Bill and Marks triggers. That's just fine with Mark donating to those that you guys know about. Nothing wrong with it. Mark donated a brand new release rifle to the guy in NJ that all of his guns were stolen. Bad ass. I'm not kicking rocks at Mark. Period, so don't take that from my post. I was just pointing out Bill stepped up and did something never seen around here before. (That I am aware of anyway) I think once you achieve a certain level (in this case triggers) it gets really hard to tell one apart. Mark giving away the monthly upper is a hell of a thing. No telling how long he has done that. I guess what I'm saying is support those that support back the customers. Because not all manufactures do (that we know of anyway) Both people are making a hell of a product, you cannot go wrong with either one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Have we forgot already Has anybody else stepped up like Bill has? http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/F2DE06EE-4761-4F1C-9EFE-1BDB9AB61ECC-21113-00000CF33FCAAA2D_zps2f813327.jpg http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/438F8732-EDDB-40E0-98B5-B3A2379F821E-21113-00000CF336B14B36_zpsc6e43df8.jpg Lets be fair here, larue has donated to chris kyles, chad littlefields and imawmd's families. (still don't like Larue, #geisselelyfe ) Though those 125 dollar triggers ARE tempting and I will be buying one, I am whore, i know. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I have both Bill and Marks triggers. That's just fine with Mark donating to those that you guys know about. Nothing wrong with it. Mark donated a brand new release rifle to the guy in NJ that all of his guns were stolen. Bad ass. I'm not kicking rocks at Mark. Period, so don't take that from my post. I was just pointing out Bill stepped up and did something never seen around here before. (That I am aware of anyway) I think once you achieve a certain level (in this case triggers) it gets really hard to tell one apart. Mark giving away the monthly upper is a hell of a thing. No telling how long he has done that. I guess what I'm saying is support those that support back the customers. Because not all manufactures do (that we know of anyway) Both people are making a hell of a product, you cannot go wrong with either one. +1 |
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They can be tool steel and still be investment cast or MIM. It's obvious that's how Geissele triggers are rough formed given their embossed "G". They most likely wire EDM engagement surfaces but they are cast or injected blanks. Not that I think anything is wrong with that. I have 4 of their triggers. But I would much more prefer one made from barstock for the same price. That is my thought as well. Given nearly the same price there is no reason to buy a non-barstock machined part as long as they perform equally well. You know probably 99% of light duty vehicles on the road use a cast crankshaft, and a vehicle is a hell of alot more expensive than a trigger. |
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You know probably 99% of light duty vehicles on the road use a cast crankshaft, and a vehicle is a hell of alot more expensive than a trigger. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They can be tool steel and still be investment cast or MIM. It's obvious that's how Geissele triggers are rough formed given their embossed "G". They most likely wire EDM engagement surfaces but they are cast or injected blanks. Not that I think anything is wrong with that. I have 4 of their triggers. But I would much more prefer one made from barstock for the same price. That is my thought as well. Given nearly the same price there is no reason to buy a non-barstock machined part as long as they perform equally well. You know probably 99% of light duty vehicles on the road use a cast crankshaft, and a vehicle is a hell of alot more expensive than a trigger. Sure. Cast steering knuckles. Cast 1911 frames. There's nothing wrong with castings, especially when Geissele is doing MP testing. My only point was that casting is generally not done to improve the end products performance or durability. It is a cost saving measure only*. If we were able to take a million MBTs machined from hot rolled S7 and a million SSAs machined from cast S7 (I'm not certain what the ASTM designation is for cast steel with the properties of rolled S7), both heat treated and stress relieved to the same final hardness; and put a million cycles through each of those triggers, the cast trigger would have a higher failure rate. Even if only slightly. And to your point, probably unnoticeable to any typical end user. *exception being when the geometry of the part in question can be cast to reduce weight in shapes impossible to machine. ETA: The fact that we'd even be discussing in term of parts per million failure illustrates your previous point that others have also made - once you get to spending $200 on a trigger, it's a pretty tight competition between which is "better." |
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I have several Geissle SD-E triggers and I like them a lot but I'd be hard pressed to decide between my two Hiperfire 24C triggers.
Both are nice and crisp but the Geisslle has just a hair of take up the Hiper Fire has zero take up. |
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Ive been using an SSF since they first came out, still running strong.
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Nobody here is saying Geissele isn't a stand up company, nor is anyone here saying Larue isn't a stand up company, nor is anybody here saying that Troy is a stand up company. This thread is simply about a developing rapidly performance trigger market that was once dominated by one single company. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Have we forgot already Has anybody else stepped up like Bill has? http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/F2DE06EE-4761-4F1C-9EFE-1BDB9AB61ECC-21113-00000CF33FCAAA2D_zps2f813327.jpg http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee126/jeep450/438F8732-EDDB-40E0-98B5-B3A2379F821E-21113-00000CF336B14B36_zpsc6e43df8.jpg Nobody here is saying Geissele isn't a stand up company, nor is anyone here saying Larue isn't a stand up company, nor is anybody here saying that Troy is a stand up company. This thread is simply about a developing rapidly performance trigger market that was once dominated by one single company. LOL |
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No one can touch geiselle View Quote This MBT trigger by LaRue gives Geissele competition with the SSA or maybe even a SSA-E but nobody puts out the specialty triggers like Geissele. Also, if you need a big pin trigger for your Colt Geissele has it and if you need a FA enhanced trigger set for your Class III Geissele has it. |
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Still king. Geissele makes a trigger for all flavors. His competitors make a trigger or maybe a couple variations thereof. That said, I like the competition as it gives us more options. Just 10 years ago all you had were reduced power hammer springs, an adjustable jewell trigger, chip mccormick, or RRA 2 stage. Or an Armalite, JP, Compass Lake, Milazzo Kreiger, Bushmaster or Accuracy Speaks Ohhh yeah, I had a Compass Lake rifle with their trigger... best AR target trigger I've used. |
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This MBT trigger by LaRue gives Geissele competition with the SSA or maybe even a SSA-E but nobody puts out the specialty triggers like Geissele. Also, if you need a big pin trigger for your Colt Geissele has it and if you need a FA enhanced trigger set for your Class III Geissele has it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No one can touch geiselle This MBT trigger by LaRue gives Geissele competition with the SSA or maybe even a SSA-E but nobody puts out the specialty triggers like Geissele. Also, if you need a big pin trigger for your Colt Geissele has it and if you need a FA enhanced trigger set for your Class III Geissele has it. We started with a one-springer, now we're already shipping 2-springers ... |
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I wondered when competition was going to heat up. Hell Ruger sells some kind of upgrade trigger that comes with some kind of weird housing that looks like part of a lower.* I don't know if Ruger sells any but I would bet they have a market that is clueless enough to not know about Geisselle and LaRue. *i assume the housing is so people who have never installed a trigger can get an idea how to do it. Still think Ruger should have gone with an enclosed trigger that just needs pins shoved through View Quote That is a brilliant move. In a brick and mortar store, it allows customers to feel the Ruger trigger before they buy it. With Geissele, CMC, and the others, you have to know someone that has one if you want to try before you buy. |
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That is a brilliant move. In a brick and mortar store, it allows customers to feel the Ruger trigger before they buy it. With Geissele, CMC, and the others, you have to know someone that has one if you want to try before you buy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I wondered when competition was going to heat up. Hell Ruger sells some kind of upgrade trigger that comes with some kind of weird housing that looks like part of a lower.* I don't know if Ruger sells any but I would bet they have a market that is clueless enough to not know about Geisselle and LaRue. *i assume the housing is so people who have never installed a trigger can get an idea how to do it. Still think Ruger should have gone with an enclosed trigger that just needs pins shoved through That is a brilliant move. In a brick and mortar store, it allows customers to feel the Ruger trigger before they buy it. With Geissele, CMC, and the others, you have to know someone that has one if you want to try before you buy. Yea you can fire the trigger in the store, at least with the upgrade 10/22 trigger anyway. |
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No one can touch geiselle This MBT trigger by LaRue gives Geissele competition with the SSA or maybe even a SSA-E but nobody puts out the specialty triggers like Geissele. Also, if you need a big pin trigger for your Colt Geissele has it and if you need a FA enhanced trigger set for your Class III Geissele has it. We started with a one-springer, now we're already shipping 2-springers ... How about sending me the extra springs that you provide now but were not available when I bought two of your MBTs (at full price) back in the summer? I'll be glad to pay shipping. The hats were great, (I wear them out to the range) and I enjoyed the Dillo Dust (had it on ribs) and I distributed the copies of the Constitution to family members I suspect voted for Obama and I even put one of your bumper stickers on my truck but the extra springs would be nice to have now. |
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There are a lot of new performance triggers coming out from practically everyone. I've noticed that Geissele triggers are frequently on sale everywhere, which wasn't the case a year ago. Are they taking a beating in the trigger market? View Quote My only goal when I was making my first Hi Speed triggers back in 2004 was to make enough money so Mrs. ALG could stay home with the future munchkins. Never set out to be the king of anything. 11 years later the Geissele triggers have done well and it gives me great pride to see our SSF fully fielded by USSOCOM and to see the trust you guys give us. Whether it's triggers or speciality tomatoes or cars or scope mounts these all follow a market trajectory. There are the early innovators, the refiners and improvers, the look at me mom's and the commodity brokers. Charlie Milazzo was the innovator for AR15 triggers, he stood on the shoulders of John Garand (M1) while Garand stood on the shoulders of John Browning (Mdl 8). I place myself in the improver category. There is still room for innovative triggers for the AR such as our SSP (Super Speed Precision) which I hope to be showing at SHOT in January. We are now in the look at me mom stage of the trigger market with re-hashed Rock River, kinda/sorta billet triggers trumpeted throughout the internet ether. The commodity stage is coming but still a ways out as long as we can hold onto our precious freedoms that are under attack by the modern day descendants of the Chicoms. What I am looking forward to is continuing our Geissele improver methods with scope mounts while still improving/innovating with triggers. I can't tell you how many people have told me thank God you are doing quality scope mounts now so I can get rid of these no RTZ lever mounts that are holding me back. I thought we would have had our civilian sales going by now but we keep having our scope mount production taken by the U.S. Mil and this is with us adding new 5 axis mills that turn 4.5lb blocks of 7075 aluminum into these beautiful 5.5oz jewels of billet scope mounts. We are living in the Golden Age of Guns fellas. I am enjoying all the new and available Gun stuff just like you guys are. I hope it continues. WHG |
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