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Posted: 4/18/2016 5:39:39 PM EDT
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Those that voted negative. Now imagine Al Gore as president after 9/11. We would have sued the terrorist for peace. Gore had already pushed anti-terror bills that went after gun owners. Imagine if a Gore administration pushed through the Patriot Act. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 5:41:07 PM EDT
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Doobya's legacy is perpetual war and Heimat Sicherheitsdienst. Enjoy being groped at the airport peasant? Who's legacy? War with Islam was coming anyway. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 5:42:37 PM EDT
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I thought he was a good man who was motivated by love of country. I still do. And by comparison to his predecessor and successor, I thought he walked on water and shit ice cream. I was born in '63. I count him as the second best POTUS of my lifetime. I rate him higher than: Obama Clinton His father H. W. Carter Ford Nixon LBJ JFK |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 5:44:05 PM EDT
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I've always felt that the worst mistake that George Bush ever made was trading Sammy Sosa ! ! ! 
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Posted: 4/18/2016 5:47:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure starting two wars, growing the size and scope of federal government, while simultaneously lowering taxes is fiscally conservative. Also seems odd to leave the borders wide open and create programs to spy on actual American citizens. Atleast he didn't pass Amnesty like the other great conservative. The "weapons of mass destruction" was perfectly fine when the dems said it. http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp The replies in this thread prove that not only does the media now pick the president, it tells us how we must feel about other presidents. Comparing the Bush debt to the Obama debt is just silly. Plus all the other crap that's too long to make a list of. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 5:49:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Invade SA? That makes no sense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Medicare part d, TSA, patriot act, Iraq instead of house of Saud. We didn't get an AWB renewal so we got that going for us. Invade SA? That makes no sense. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 5:50:13 PM EDT
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Republicans or Democrats they are both the establishment of the same parties. It just boils down to of the lesser evil. No. Bush was a center right Republican who was almost exactly where the American middle was politically when he was POTUS. His agenda was what America wanted. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 5:53:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was born in '63. I count him as the second best POTUS of my lifetime. I rate him higher than: Obama Clinton His father H. W. Carter Ford Nixon LBJ JFK Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thought he was a good man who was motivated by love of country. I still do. And by comparison to his predecessor and successor, I thought he walked on water and shit ice cream. I was born in '63. I count him as the second best POTUS of my lifetime. I rate him higher than: Obama Clinton His father H. W. Carter Ford Nixon LBJ JFK If the web were around LBJ would rival, if not surpass Obama as the worst. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 6:05:16 PM EDT
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He didn't "start 2 wars", we were attacked. And we weren't attacked again until he was out of office. The replies in this thread prove that not only does the media now pick the president, it tells us how we must feel about other presidents. Comparing the Bush debt to the Obama debt is just silly. Plus all the other crap that's too long to make a list of. We are going to be at war with Islam no matter what, and the weak policies of Clinton and Obama drive it more than Bush's wars. Likewise the debt is going to increase. America simply has no political will to reduce the debt. The increase will get higher as we go forward. Obama was going to have higher debt than Bush, or whoever was POTUS after Bush. Obama had more than he should have due to bad policies, but balanced budgets were not on the table. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 6:11:46 PM EDT
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The 911 attackers were Saudi, so it kind of does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Medicare part d, TSA, patriot act, Iraq instead of house of Saud. We didn't get an AWB renewal so we got that going for us. Invade SA? That makes no sense. They did not attack us as SA nationals but as good Muslims. Bush's error was thinking that bringing freedom to Iraq would put them on the right track. He failed to grasp the significance of the cultural and religious differences. Nevertheless attacking SA makes no sense. Certainly not in the context of the ME with actors like Saddam's Iraq and Iran. Regime change in SA would result in a very nasty situation there. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 6:13:29 PM EDT
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I concur with that. Although JFK would be considered an extreme right winger by todays standards. If the web were around LBJ would rival, if not surpass Obama as the worst. Nixon and JFK had an almost identical agenda. They were both anti-communist moderate progressives. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 6:13:30 PM EDT
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I liked him because he didn't seem to waffle on his decisions.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 6:15:47 PM EDT
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On the aggregate, yes.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 6:16:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2016 6:16:47 PM EDT
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387 to 387, I find it comical
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Posted: 4/18/2016 6:17:20 PM EDT
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I knew the war in Iraq was lost within about a week when they were saying that we wouldn't pursue their militias into "holy sites".
I liked the idea of him more than the real him in the end. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 6:19:59 PM EDT
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I liked W. 
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Posted: 4/18/2016 7:05:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I feel like I wandered into DU. I guess if you repeat something long enough people believe it.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think a lot of you lack context. Yes. I also think a lot of these guys failed high school govt.  I guess if you repeat something long enough people believe it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 10:29:44 PM EDT
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Comparing the Bush debt to the Obama debt is just silly. Plus all the other crap that's too long to make a list of. That's the great thing about the D's and R's having cult like followers-excuses/justifications for everything. Bush expanded the size and spending of government,contrary to what the Republican party supposedly stands for.But hey,it's OK because he's a Republican. Passed the "Patriot" Act which the D side was ranting and raving against and were going to get rid of it when they gained power.Of course they gained power and what did they do? It's a big Kabuki Theater and we can count on bigger government and more spending no matter which side is in power.
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Posted: 4/18/2016 10:38:26 PM EDT
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I voted no for the reasons you stated, OP. Also, American lives for oil.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:59:04 AM EDT
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I feel like I wandered into DU. I guess if you repeat something long enough people believe it.
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I think a lot of you lack context. Yes. I also think a lot of these guys failed high school govt. I guess if you repeat something long enough people believe it.
http://www.senate.gov/reference/Legislation/Vetoes/BushGW.htm His legacy may have been less tainted if he refused to sign bills that irrepably damaged this country. But, sure...this is DU. 
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Posted: 4/19/2016 2:16:07 AM EDT
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A mixed bag for sure. But no doubt he had the country's best interests in mind unlike zero.
I wonder what his presidency would have been like if Sept 11 had not happened. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 7:20:46 AM EDT
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The first couple of years, yes. I liked W and still think he was the leader America needed at the time.
The remainder of his first term and whole second term, no. He showed himself to be the RINO (sorry, "compassionate conservative") that he is. It was with the advantage of hindsight that I know this now... i was pretty on board with him through his two terms. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 7:44:04 AM EDT
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Comparing the Bush debt to the Obama debt is just silly. So going deep into debt for an African big game hunt is okay, but going deep into debt to travel to famous golf courses isn't?
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Posted: 4/19/2016 7:46:56 AM EDT
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Not really. I dont think he hates america the way obama does, but some of the shit we got under him just pushed the government that much father up our asses. +1 He was the lesser of two evils. We got Medicare Part D to help his 2004 re-election. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 7:51:50 AM EDT
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No, he sucked as POTUS but I think he's a good person
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Posted: 4/19/2016 7:54:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a favorable opinion of the man, but not his presidency, policies or appointments. This. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 7:56:01 AM EDT
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This. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a favorable opinion of the man, but not his presidency, policies or appointments. This. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 8:00:01 AM EDT
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As a kid during his presidency, yes.
Nowadays, meh. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 9:37:52 AM EDT
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A mixed bag for sure. But no doubt he had the country's best interests in mind unlike zero. I wonder what his presidency would have been like if Sept 11 had not happened. I guess if enough people keep repeating that it will become the truth.............
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Posted: 4/19/2016 11:04:01 AM EDT
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Bush expanded the size and spending of government,contrary to what the Republican party supposedly stands for.But hey,it's OK because he's a Republican. You simply don't understand. When Republicans spend money and increase the debt, it is for goods and services which are critically needed for the survival of the nation and the people. When Democrats spend money and increase the debt the money is pissed away due to waste, fraud and abuse ... unless the Republicans in Congress participated in the process, in which case it is impolite to even mention growing Federal expenditures and mounting debt. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 11:06:13 AM EDT
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The first 6 or so years, yep.
He didn't exactly finish strong though. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 12:33:05 PM EDT
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I voted yes. 51/49 though. He brought us through 9/11 well. Part D Medicare and the TSA are down votes though.
No president is perfect. He at least had the adults in charge. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:01:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So going deep into debt for an African big game hunt is okay, but going deep into debt to travel to famous golf courses isn't? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Comparing the Bush debt to the Obama debt is just silly. So going deep into debt for an African big game hunt is okay, but going deep into debt to travel to famous golf courses isn't? Not sure if sarcasm. I hope so. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:06:33 PM EDT
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It's all about the feels for ARFcom when it comes to GWB.
"well gosh, our economy tanked, we got involved in a retardedly stupid war, and our federal government grew in both size and power like it hasn't in decades, but I dunno, he was just such a likable guy, you know..." Such a crock of shit. I adore that people actually fell for his "trimming brush at the ranch" persona. Hook line and sinker. Fucking idiots. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:11:12 PM EDT
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I think his first term was great, don't know what happened in the second term, but not so great...
I didn't like how he never defended himself or hit back against the Dems...I understand his reasoning, and think he shows himself a better man than most that occupied the office, but I wish he would have stood up against them a bit more... But I do think he was a good man, and loved his country, and tried to do good things for it, unlike the shitbag who currently sits in the White House.... |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:15:50 PM EDT
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He pushed the pendulum towards a more powerful government.
I don't look past somebody's horrific mistakes just because they seem like they'd be a cool person to have a beer with. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:20:05 PM EDT
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I supported the military moves he made at the time. In hindsight, why go into anything without a workable exit strategy? The mess that was left behind has made the world a worse place. The power vacuum that resulted has not worked out well. The people in that part of the world are not like us, don't think the way we do and can't be trusted. His spending is the next issue that concerns me in hindsight.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:26:02 PM EDT
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I like GWB the man, his Presidency left something to be desired. I think he meant well, and did his best for America.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:38:29 PM EDT
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A mixed bag for sure. But no doubt he had the country's best interests in mind unlike zero. I wonder what his presidency would have been like if Sept 11 had not happened. People forget there was a lot of disappointment in W prior to 9/11. If it wasn't for the rallying around the flag that happened I believe W would have been a one-term president. Then there was the forced resignation of sectreas O'niel for disagreeing with "deficits don't matter", the nomination of Ben Bernanke based on his essay on QE/bailouts, medicare part D, and the whole Iraq thing...all first term. The second term was when people started getting fed up with him but the groundwork was being laid from day one. People argue about the WMD lies and chemical weapons and the Dems believing it and whatnot but the bottom line is the evidence of a credible threat they presented publicly to build support for Iraq was known to be false when they presented it. That's a pretty serious thing IMO, hard to ignore. Charismatic guy, I think his biggest problem is he surrounded himself with people who had an agenda he didn't fully understand, and who never adapted to the reality of the post cold war. I think a telling moment was when he told European leaders the Iraq war was the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy, obviously somebody was pushing that line to him, in pursuit of the PNAC agenda that he didn't seem to personally be all that invested in. Bottom line is he managed to derail the ascendant conservative revolution that elected him, fracture the conservative coalition, which remains broken, and handed the nation to Obama on a silver platter. There isn't a lot of difference in the favorability of my opinion between any of the administrations since Reagan, but W is in contention for the worst, since Obama is part of his legacy. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:44:37 PM EDT
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Aspects of it, yes. Other aspects, no. He wasn't the worst thing to ever happen to the country. This. Don't like the PATRIOT Act or the monolithic Homeland Security Korps (Heimat Sicherheitsdienst  ) but they came about because a gaggle of RoPer goatfucking scum murdered 3,000 Americans, for fuck's sake. I can't believe some of you maroons have forgotten that.
He struck back at the shitbirds which is a fuck of a lot more than I can say for Slick Willy or FBHO, he started the hunt for FBHO's idol Osama, he crushed the Taliban and drove them into the mountains, and he took out Hussein. I wasn't in favor of OIF (I thought we could have co-opted Hussein) but thought his plans for creating a democracy in Iraq had the possibility of working. Until he took his eyes off the ball and lost it, then it was just a disaster saved only by the courage and brilliance of our .mil and McCain's surge. He loves vets and looks out for them in every way. His wife didn't have a penis and was, in fact, a MILF. And his daughters are hot. Plus, he wore real jeans and not mom jeans. And I don't think I ever saw a pic of him wearing a retard helmet while riding his horse. Overall, I like Bush and think he did a pretty good job as a wartime consigliore with a few pretty big hiccups. 
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Posted: 4/19/2016 1:47:38 PM EDT
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As much as TSA and the Patriot Act sucked....
I don't think there has been a halfway serious presidential candidate in the last 50 years that wouldn't have advocated for it (or something even worse) after the 9/11 attacks. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 2:45:58 PM EDT
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It was much better than an Al Gore presidency. He would have flopped over after 9/11, we'd STILL have all the patriot act and TSA bullshit, and tack on Cap and Tax and other global warming bullshit.
Saddam would still be torturing people, OBL would have pulled off a bigger stunt, etc. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 2:47:22 PM EDT
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Medicare Part D.
Fuck 'im. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 3:11:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck him, fuck his father, and definitely fuck his fucking brother. W and the old man have made the dumbest decisions in the history of this country. Everything in this world that is fucked up is their fault. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 3:14:38 PM EDT
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I thought the 1st term was alright.....2nd term He really screwed the pooch
and that wiped out any good he might have done. Hell, he if said we cannot afford more gov't then started Homeland Security. Just look at the monstrosity that has turned into. |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 3:18:18 PM EDT
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It was much better than an Al Gore presidency. He would have flopped over after 9/11, we'd STILL have all the patriot act and TSA bullshit, and tack on Cap and Tax and other global warming bullshit. Saddam would still be torturing people, OBL would have pulled off a bigger stunt, etc. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Wonder if ISIS would be around if he had stayed. Guessing he would have had no qualms about torturing ISIS members/supporters........ |
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Posted: 4/19/2016 3:19:52 PM EDT
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You simply don't understand. When Republicans spend money and increase the debt, it is for goods and services which are critically needed for the survival of the nation and the people. When Democrats spend money and increase the debt the money is pissed away due to waste, fraud and abuse ... unless the Republicans in Congress participated in the process, in which case it is impolite to even mention growing Federal expenditures and mounting debt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bush expanded the size and spending of government,contrary to what the Republican party supposedly stands for.But hey,it's OK because he's a Republican. You simply don't understand. When Republicans spend money and increase the debt, it is for goods and services which are critically needed for the survival of the nation and the people. When Democrats spend money and increase the debt the money is pissed away due to waste, fraud and abuse ... unless the Republicans in Congress participated in the process, in which case it is impolite to even mention growing Federal expenditures and mounting debt. If I had a dollar every time someone told me I don't understand politics I would be freakin rich. 
You could have thrown some gun control shit in there too.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 3:30:21 PM EDT
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Yes. I didn't agree with all of his decisions, but he was still a good leader.
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Posted: 4/19/2016 3:32:43 PM EDT
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I have a favorable opinion of the man, but not his presidency, policies or appointments. This is the correct answer. |
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