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Posted: 5/17/2016 5:17:55 PM EDT
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Why the fuck can't this be applied nation wide? New York? California? New Jersey? Amen. I am tired of waiting for Peruta to resolve. |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 5:18:06 PM EDT
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where is the DOJ and the civil rights infraction squad...
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Posted: 5/17/2016 5:18:25 PM EDT
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So when do they do like they did in Texas with school finance reform? Where the judge basically says this is how it will be until you come back here with a reasonable plan that I approve?
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Posted: 5/17/2016 5:30:56 PM EDT
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They allow on-line "training" now. I think it's $20 and takes no time. Then you print out a certificate and you're done. Easy peasy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That is ultimately what I want.  Don't us VA folks still need to take some dumb training class? Is that still a thing? I'd like to get my permit and carry again in DC. Yes...yes we do. Unless you have a DD-214...then it's waved 
They allow on-line "training" now. I think it's $20 and takes no time. Then you print out a certificate and you're done. Easy peasy. I don't think anybody is doing the DC training online. |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 5:38:57 PM EDT
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I realize it's probably not within the court's purview, but they should be fined into oblivion.
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Posted: 5/17/2016 5:58:49 PM EDT
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I don't think anybody is doing the DC training online. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That is ultimately what I want. Don't us VA folks still need to take some dumb training class? Is that still a thing? I'd like to get my permit and carry again in DC. Yes...yes we do. Unless you have a DD-214...then it's waved
They allow on-line "training" now. I think it's $20 and takes no time. Then you print out a certificate and you're done. Easy peasy. I don't think anybody is doing the DC training online. No no - I am talking about the VA requirement - I thought that was the question. Currently, I don't believe there is ANY way for a VA resident to even apply for a D.C. permit. Even if/when D.C. is finally forced (kicking and screaming) into something approaching "shall issue" they will without doubt create all kinds of ridiculous training requirements and fees and bullshit and renewals and all kinds of stuff. Probably toeprints and stool samples too. |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 6:01:19 PM EDT
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No no - I am talking about the VA requirement - I thought that was the question. Currently, I don't believe there is ANY way for a VA resident to even apply for a D.C. permit. Even if/when D.C. is finally forced (kicking and screaming) into something approaching "shall issue" they will without doubt create all kinds of ridiculous training requirements and fees and bullshit and renewals and all kinds of stuff. Probably toeprints and stool samples too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't us VA folks still need to take some dumb training class? Is that still a thing? I'd like to get my permit and carry again in DC. Yes...yes we do. Unless you have a DD-214...then it's waved
They allow on-line "training" now. I think it's $20 and takes no time. Then you print out a certificate and you're done. Easy peasy. I don't think anybody is doing the DC training online. No no - I am talking about the VA requirement - I thought that was the question. Currently, I don't believe there is ANY way for a VA resident to even apply for a D.C. permit. Even if/when D.C. is finally forced (kicking and screaming) into something approaching "shall issue" they will without doubt create all kinds of ridiculous training requirements and fees and bullshit and renewals and all kinds of stuff. Probably toeprints and stool samples too. Yeah, I guess I was unclear. It wasn't worded well. I thought there was an out of state provision. |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 6:01:20 PM EDT
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/us-judge-strikes-down-dc-concealed-carry-gun-law-as-likely-unconstitutional/2016/05/17/d36d35dc-1c49-11e6-8c7b-6931e66333e7_story.html?tid=sm_tw For the second time in as many years, a federal judge in Washington ordered the city to halt enforcement of its new, concealed-carry law that requires applicants to state “good reason” to carry a weapon in order to obtain a permit from police. Contempt. |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 6:06:24 PM EDT
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I hope that some of this judicial common sense bleeds over into The Communist Republic of MD. As it stands now, normal, law abiding and tax paying citizens have close to zero chance of getting a CCW permit.
It pisses me off every day. |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 6:14:26 PM EDT
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It's possible Emily Miller applied - but she's a DC resident. IIRC, the class is something like 8 hours. And it has a practical/shooting range test. Only there is NO shooting range open in DC for testing purposes. So you have to go to MD to do that part of the test. 
Not even sure if there is ANY non-resident permit. Too bad they could not have forced DC and MD to accept VA permits as part of the reciprocity deal with McAwful last year. |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 6:19:13 PM EDT
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I wish they would challenge New York's 16 month wait time to get a permit to basically hunt with your pistol and same thing without a good cause they wont issue you a carry permit. These laws are insane. Intentionally. |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 6:59:09 PM EDT
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Being from Oklahoma I dont know anything about everyone elses gun laws. What I do know is that gun laws only help the bad guy. I feel bad for the good people that live in states with jacked up gun laws.
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Posted: 5/17/2016 8:19:45 PM EDT
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Did anyone else enjoy the detail that the plaintiff was a member of the Pink Pistols? Good for them! That bit should make some liberal heads explode.
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Posted: 5/17/2016 8:31:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is in Florida. When state preemption passed making all local ordinances involving firearms null & void and holding local politicians personally and financially responsible for any contrary legislation, the city attorneys couldn't scrub the books fast enough. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wish there were legal/employment repercussions for people that habitually pass laws that are struck down as unconstitutional.. There is in Florida. When state preemption passed making all local ordinances involving firearms null & void and holding local politicians personally and financially responsible for any contrary legislation, the city attorneys couldn't scrub the books fast enough. |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 8:36:20 PM EDT
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It probably means it now reverts to shall issue instead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this an immediate hold on the current rules? Does that mean that - like last time - until they quickly pass some new rules, open and concealed carry is temporarily legal in D.C.?  It probably means it now reverts to shall issue instead. Until DC gets an "emergency" stay of the injunction pending a trial decision. |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 8:42:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did anyone else enjoy the detail that the plaintiff was a member of the Pink Pistols? Good for them! That bit should make some liberal heads explode. I donate to Pink Pistols. They are a damn good organization. |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 8:42:34 PM EDT
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[Probably stool samples too. Mailing mine to them today! |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 8:44:47 PM EDT
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It's possible Emily Miller applied - but she's a DC resident. IIRC, the class is something like 8 hours. And it has a practical/shooting range test. Only there is NO shooting range open in DC for testing purposes. So you have to go to MD to do that part of the test.
Not even sure if there is ANY non-resident permit. Too bad they could not have forced DC and MD to accept VA permits as part of the reciprocity deal with McAwful last year. Then it seems that the DC PD would be required to provide the MPD range and ROs for the purposes of permit testing.
That said, there is now ONE gun store/range in the works for DC. FFL applied for and looking for a space now, according to WMAL this afternoon. |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 8:52:48 PM EDT
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Folks here bash gays, lesbians, and even transgenders. But there are a lot of gun owners and not all of them are bible thumping heterosexual white males. I donate to Pink Pistols. They are a damn good organization. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did anyone else enjoy the detail that the plaintiff was a member of the Pink Pistols? Good for them! That bit should make some liberal heads explode. I donate to Pink Pistols. They are a damn good organization. I have LGBT friends. Some of them actually shoot and are actually pretty conservative, other than LGBT issues. |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 8:54:02 PM EDT
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I want to go into DC tomorrow just to submit the paperwork for a permit in DC. In the good reason field, I'll put "because I fucking want to."
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Posted: 5/17/2016 8:54:31 PM EDT
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Wish there were legal/employment repercussions for people that habitually pass laws that are struck down as unconstitutional.. Prison, reparations with confiscation of property. Execution in egregious cases. How many people are imprisoned and their lives ruined under illegitimate law while the legal battle ensues? How many people have to put their constitutional rights on hold? Do they get compensated when the law is thrown out? 
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Posted: 5/17/2016 8:59:32 PM EDT
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Why are the pro 2A lawyers not charging 1k per hour when attacking these BS laws?
Ramp up the costs until they feel it. I will be a witness to any case for 1 million dollars, and I will donate it all the NRA and Fischer House. State pays when they lose yeah? |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 8:59:43 PM EDT
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The case is still pending. The Plaintiff asked for - and got - a preliminary injunction. As of now DC is enjoined (prohibited) from "denying concealed carry licenses to applicants who meet all eligibility requirements other than the 'good reason' requirement." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this an immediate hold on the current rules? Does that mean that - like last time - until they quickly pass some new rules, open and concealed carry is temporarily legal in D.C.? The case is still pending. The Plaintiff asked for - and got - a preliminary injunction. As of now DC is enjoined (prohibited) from "denying concealed carry licenses to applicants who meet all eligibility requirements other than the 'good reason' requirement." It's too bad that a similar suit can't be brought and won in New York City where the good reason requirement disqualifies just about everyone who isn't "someone." |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 9:00:46 PM EDT
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Yes! MD has been watching this one, since the "good and substantial" requirement here is equal levels of fucked (though bureaucratically easier to skirt if you have the connections). Same in NJ with "Justifiable Need" |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 9:09:38 PM EDT
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A bit of good news.
Though what are the chances that in 24-48 hours, DC establishes another bureaucratic obstacle which will eventually face yet another legal challenge? |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 10:11:10 PM EDT
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I want to go into DC tomorrow just to submit the paperwork for a permit in DC. In the good reason field, I'll put "because I fucking want to." Carpool? |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 10:14:08 PM EDT
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Wish there were legal/employment and massive financial repercussions for people that habitually pass laws that are struck down as unconstitutional.. FIFY |
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Posted: 5/17/2016 11:15:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this an immediate hold on the current rules? Does that mean that - like last time - until they quickly pass some new rules, open and concealed carry is temporarily legal in D.C.? This was my first thought. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 12:30:33 AM EDT
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They have to have a pile of contingency plans in the rafters.
Wonder how long the next suit will take? |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 10:14:44 AM EDT
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I want to go into DC tomorrow just to submit the paperwork for a permit in DC. In the good reason field, I'll put "because I fucking want to." Probably better to simply put down the case citation, and attach a copy of the injunction requiring them to be "shall issue." |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 10:31:02 AM EDT
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/us-judge-strikes-down-dc-concealed-carry-gun-law-as-likely-unconstitutional/2016/05/17/d36d35dc-1c49-11e6-8c7b-6931e66333e7_story.html?tid=sm_tw For the second time in as many years, a federal judge in Washington ordered the city to halt enforcement of its new, concealed-carry law that requires applicants to state “good reason” to carry a weapon in order to obtain a permit from police. If the court had any balls, they would throw the assholes who keep coming up with these schemes into prison. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 10:34:16 AM EDT
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There should be a law or possibly a Constitutional Amendment that all new laws have to pass a Constitutional Review
before they become law. That should tie the system up for long enough that no new laws get passed for a while. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 10:36:50 AM EDT
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Rulings such as this explains the sudden moonbat push by the Left against the 2nd amendment. They can see that the courts are reading the 2nd, and they do not like it one bit.
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Posted: 5/18/2016 10:41:58 AM EDT
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And the DC city govt will simply ignore the ruling, again.
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Posted: 5/18/2016 11:00:23 AM EDT
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If they were jacking up voting rights like this, injunctions would be flying AND the President and his DOJ MINIONS would be in the middle of it.
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Posted: 5/18/2016 11:01:11 AM EDT
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Not yet. The principle voters who swear "Never Trump" need to get Hillary elected so we can get 2 more Sotomayors and they can begin reversing all 2A advances made in the last 30 years.
CA and Safe Act laws for ALL! Thumbs up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
PLEASE GO TO SCOTUS! GOODBYE SULLIVAN LAW! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 11:08:30 AM EDT
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This was my first thought.
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Is this an immediate hold on the current rules? Does that mean that - like last time - until they quickly pass some new rules, open and concealed carry is temporarily legal in D.C.? This was my first thought.
That's the kind of law enacted in Florida wherein the creation of any local, county, or municipal gun laws, which are prohibited by state pre-emption, brings stiff personal financial penalties against the individuals who pass those local laws and even includes removing them from office by the governor. Until the new pre-emption law was passed; there were no penalties for local politicians and/or the localities that passed illegal gun laws so they ignored the state pre-emption, in some cases, their municipal attorneys even claiming that they were unaware of it. There needs to be penalties assigned against individual elected officials who continuously flaunt the law and court rulings in favor of gun rights. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 11:12:35 AM EDT
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Not yet. The principle voters who swear "Never Trump" need to get Hillary elected so we can get 2 more Sotomayors and they can begin reversing all 2A advances made in the last 30 years. CA and Safe Act laws for ALL! Thumbs up. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not yet. The principle voters who swear "Never Trump" need to get Hillary elected so we can get 2 more Sotomayors and they can begin reversing all 2A advances made in the last 30 years. CA and Safe Act laws for ALL! Thumbs up. Quoted:
PLEASE GO TO SCOTUS! GOODBYE SULLIVAN LAW! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Those fucking idiots need to learn the difference between a lukewarm Trump vs liquid nitrogen cold from Clinton. When your state gets it's case upheld by the circuit court saying they don't need a gun for "imagined confrontation" maybe they will learn, and it will be too late. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 11:30:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have LGBT friends. Some of them actually shoot and are actually pretty conservative, other than LGBT issues. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did anyone else enjoy the detail that the plaintiff was a member of the Pink Pistols? Good for them! That bit should make some liberal heads explode. I donate to Pink Pistols. They are a damn good organization. I have LGBT friends. Some of them actually shoot and are actually pretty conservative, other than LGBT issues. Yep, one of the guys on my Facebook who is most likely to post links to articles about conservative issues is married to a black man (both are very active in the veterans community and fairly conservative). |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 2:14:32 PM EDT
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If the court had any balls, they would throw the assholes who keep coming up with these schemes into prison. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/us-judge-strikes-down-dc-concealed-carry-gun-law-as-likely-unconstitutional/2016/05/17/d36d35dc-1c49-11e6-8c7b-6931e66333e7_story.html?tid=sm_tw For the second time in as many years, a federal judge in Washington ordered the city to halt enforcement of its new, concealed-carry law that requires applicants to state “good reason” to carry a weapon in order to obtain a permit from police. If the court had any balls, they would throw the assholes who keep coming up with these schemes into prison. They would rule that constitutional carry was legal, until they came up with something that met the court's approval. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 4:34:31 PM EDT
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Wish there were legal/employment repercussions for people that habitually pass laws that are struck down as unconstitutional.. they should be tried for treason and if convicted face a maximum penalty of the death penalty. |
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