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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:27:16 PM EDT
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Is the EU referendum legally binding?
Parliament is sovereign and, if Brexit wins, Cameron will not be legally obliged to invoke the Lisbon treaty to start an EU exit The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain. This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK. An exception was the 2011 referendum on changing the electoral system to alternative vote, where the relevant legislation obligated the government to change the law to reflect a “yes” vote had that occurred. No such provision was contained within the EU referendum legislation. In 1975, when the last vote on whether to stay in the EU (then the European economic community) was held, the rightwing Conservative MP Enoch Powell, unhappy about what he considered a loss of national sovereignty, argued that the result was merely provisional as it could not be legally binding on parliament. If the British public votes on Thursday for Brexit it will be in the hands of Cameron to decide when to invoke article 50 of the Lisbon treaty, which represents formal notification of any decision to leave. The prime minister has said he would have to trigger it immediately after a vote, although this might have been a way of emphasising that there would be no going back, to people thinking of voting leave. Some advocates of Brexit argue that discussions with other member states could start informally, without article 50 having to be invoked. There has even been the argument, made by some in the Brexit camp, that the mere threat of departure following a vote to leave could smooth the way to a better deal for Britain which could then be put to voters in a second referendum on EU membership. The wrangling reflects the fact that there is no binding legal process to force Cameron to invoke article 50. In theory, he could ignore the public and disregard a Brexit vote. In practice he has repeatedly promised that the result will stick – and there may be no going back on that line now. But Cameron will step down in October. Will the next PM play ball? 
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:28:48 PM EDT
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Well, that blows for the British people.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:29:59 PM EDT
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I would imagine that would not go over very well...
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:30:37 PM EDT
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Yeah that's not gonna happen.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:31:09 PM EDT
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:31:31 PM EDT
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Yes. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:32:11 PM EDT
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Yes, did everyone think the referendum was rule of law?
It has to pass parliament, which it should. But its possible the government will dissolve, and Pro-stay coalition is assembled, and article 50 never invoked keeping the UK in. And with no good guns, it would be hard for the populace to fight back, because that would be shootin' time 
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:32:56 PM EDT
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This is why I will not be disarmed.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Yes. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:34:45 PM EDT
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And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Guns are not the only means of effecting change. The Brits have come close to blowing up Parliament before. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:35:28 PM EDT
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Where do we ship "supplies"?
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:37:11 PM EDT
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Yes, did everyone think the referendum was rule of law? It has to pass parliament, which it should. But its possible the government will dissolve, and Pro-stay coalition is assembled, and article 50 never invoked keeping the UK in. And with no good guns, it would be hard for the populace to fight back, because that would be shootin' time I believe that one man has proved the only thing stopping them from putting politicians in the grave is lack of will. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:38:59 PM EDT
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Yes. 
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:39:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:39:56 PM EDT
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Tyranny
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:42:35 PM EDT
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Nobody is dumb enough to try that.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:43:52 PM EDT
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[Sarcasm] Well, thank God the British people have been disarmed, or that could get ugly![/Sarcasm]
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:44:11 PM EDT
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? They will shout "stop!" And if that doesn't work....they will shout "stop!" again and mean it more. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:44:55 PM EDT
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And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Shoot a bitch in the face apparently. "One witness said a man pulled an old or makeshift gun from a bag and fired twice. "I saw a lady on the floor like on the beach with her arms straight and her knees up and blood all over the face," " http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-politics-attack-idUSKCN0Z21LS |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:48:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: Link Is the EU referendum legally binding? Parliament is sovereign and, if Brexit wins, Cameron will not be legally obliged to invoke the Lisbon treaty to start an EU exit The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is "no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain. This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK. An exception was the 2011 referendum on changing the electoral system to alternative vote, where the relevant legislation obligated the government to change the law to reflect a "yes” vote had that occurred. No such provision was contained within the EU referendum legislation. In 1975, when the last vote on whether to stay in the EU (then the European economic community) was held, the rightwing Conservative MP Enoch Powell, unhappy about what he considered a loss of national sovereignty, argued that the result was merely provisional as it could not be legally binding on parliament. If the British public votes on Thursday for Brexit it will be in the hands of Cameron to decide when to invoke article 50 of the Lisbon treaty, which represents formal notification of any decision to leave. The prime minister has said he would have to trigger it immediately after a vote, although this might have been a way of emphasising that there would be no going back, to people thinking of voting leave. Some advocates of Brexit argue that discussions with other member states could start informally, without article 50 having to be invoked. There has even been the argument, made by some in the Brexit camp, that the mere threat of departure following a vote to leave could smooth the way to a better deal for Britain which could then be put to voters in a second referendum on EU membership. The wrangling reflects the fact that there is no binding legal process to force Cameron to invoke article 50. In theory, he could ignore the public and disregard a Brexit vote. In practice he has repeatedly promised that the result will stick – and there may be no going back on that line now. But Cameron will step down in October. Will the next PM play ball? While not legally binding, it does open the doors to exit. As I said before: The election won't immediately do anything. All that happens if the brexits win is the gov can (note, this is not the same as will) then make an application to the EEC to leave. It takes a 72% majority of the remaining EEC member countries representing at least 65% of their population (whatever that means), and approval of the European Parliament for a country to be allowed to leave the EEC. At the end of the above process - if it is approved - all that the UK gets is the ability to negotiate an exit from the EEC. The exit fight in not at all won... this is just the first tiny little step. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:48:57 PM EDT
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This is why I will not be disarmed. 
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:56:26 PM EDT
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And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? I believe there was this fellow called Fawkes once... They still burn his effigy every Nov 5th... Of course the Remain folks will be able.to have a sit in and behave like 5 year olds because they didn't get their way... Oh wait a minute... |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:57:48 PM EDT
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I believe there was this fellow called Fawkes once... They still burn his effigy every Nov 5th... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? I believe there was this fellow called Fawkes once... They still burn his effigy every Nov 5th... Oh yeah, that Guy. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:58:21 PM EDT
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Burn this bitch down!
However as politely as possible and with proper grammer. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:58:26 PM EDT
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This is why I will not be disarmed. This! |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 1:58:27 PM EDT
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Dont even bother. The EU referendum may not be legally binding but it might as well be.
Its a done deal. FerFAL |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:00:48 PM EDT
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Guns are not the only means of effecting change. The Brits have come close to blowing up Parliament before. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Guns are not the only means of effecting change. The Brits have come close to blowing up Parliament before. Remember Remember the 5th of november. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:02:35 PM EDT
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Yes. Well, they would exercise their 2nd Amend....... Wait, Nevermind.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:04:22 PM EDT
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That's right, but politically Parliament is expected to follow the will of the people. If they don't, the parties and individual members will pay a heavy political price.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:04:29 PM EDT
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Well, they would exercise their 2nd Amend....... Wait, Nevermind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Yes. Well, they would exercise their 2nd Amend....... Wait, Nevermind. I would imagine lots of knives would come out.. 
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:08:22 PM EDT
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Remember Remember the 5th of november. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Guns are not the only means of effecting change. The Brits have come close to blowing up Parliament before. Remember Remember the 5th of november. Remember, remember! The fifth of November, The Gunpowder treason and plot; I know of no reason Why the Gunpowder treason Should ever be forgot! Guy Fawkes and his companions Did the scheme contrive, To blow the King and Parliament All up alive. Threescore barrels, laid below, To prove old England's overthrow. But, by God's providence, him they catch, With a dark lantern, lighting a match! A stick and a stake For King James's sake! If you won't give me one, I'll take two, The better for me, And the worse for you. A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope, A penn'orth of cheese to choke him, A pint of beer to wash it down, And a jolly good fire to burn him. Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring! Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King! Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray! |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:09:42 PM EDT
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This is why I will not be disarmed. Word. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:10:55 PM EDT
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Yes. And grab their butter knife!  
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:12:44 PM EDT
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Dont even bother. The EU referendum may not be legally binding but it might as well be. Its a done deal. FerFAL Yup |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:13:10 PM EDT
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"...but were a democracy!"
No, you're not. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:15:49 PM EDT
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Do you want riots? Because this is how you get riots.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:17:11 PM EDT
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Still got a lot of double guns and a goodly number of old bolt stuff- and Britons are stubborn as shown over and over again. My money is on the mob- they voted Brexit. I think it would be unwise to challenge that. Globalists be damned!
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:17:25 PM EDT
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"...but were a democracy!" No, you're not. Neither are we... |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:22:07 PM EDT
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Shoot a bitch in the face apparently. "One witness said a man pulled an old or makeshift gun from a bag and fired twice. "I saw a lady on the floor like on the beach with her arms straight and her knees up and blood all over the face," " http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-politics-attack-idUSKCN0Z21LS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Shoot a bitch in the face apparently. "One witness said a man pulled an old or makeshift gun from a bag and fired twice. "I saw a lady on the floor like on the beach with her arms straight and her knees up and blood all over the face," " http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-politics-attack-idUSKCN0Z21LS Quite common A Prime Minister was whacked. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:22:44 PM EDT
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Burn this bitch down! However as politely as possible and with proper grammer. 
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:23:46 PM EDT
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Yes. They've got empty liquor bottles and petrol, hanven't they? They can burn stuff down, as a start. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:24:55 PM EDT
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Shoot a bitch in the face apparently. "One witness said a man pulled an old or makeshift gun from a bag and fired twice. "I saw a lady on the floor like on the beach with her arms straight and her knees up and blood all over the face," " http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-politics-attack-idUSKCN0Z21LS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Shoot a bitch in the face apparently. "One witness said a man pulled an old or makeshift gun from a bag and fired twice. "I saw a lady on the floor like on the beach with her arms straight and her knees up and blood all over the face," " http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-politics-attack-idUSKCN0Z21LS Wow |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:27:39 PM EDT
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Smart money says Cameron's replacement is going to be considerably to the political right of Cameron, possibly from the Brexit movement itself.
Also, a government dragging a kicking and screaming populace along to continue with the EU would cause serious secondary problems for the EU itself. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:30:24 PM EDT
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And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? You think gun control works there? If the Brits needed to arm themselves it could be done. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:32:40 PM EDT
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Think the Scotts and Irish will see this as an opportunity?
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:48:40 PM EDT
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Why is the news pushing this bullshit that the EU has been around for 40 some years?
I remember clearly when it was created while I was in college, and I remember the Euro being introduced about a decade later. History has now been revised so the EU has always been around.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:52:17 PM EDT
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I get the feeling some folks here think Guy Fawkes was some type of libertarian hero. Nothing could be farther from the truth. He did not want to blow up Parliament to institute some type of libertarian paradise. He wanted to do it, so Spain could come in, take over England and institute the Spanish Inquisition and stamp out those heretics that ate meat on Friday, drank, danced, wore bright colors, etc.
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:52:50 PM EDT
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Why is the news pushing this bullshit that the EU has been around for 40 some years? I remember clearly when it was created while I was in college, and I remember the Euro being introduced about a decade later. History has now been revised so the EU has always been around. We've always been at war with Eurasia. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:58:38 PM EDT
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i thought everyone knew this?
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Posted: 6/24/2016 2:59:14 PM EDT
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And come this November they will have burned Guy Fawkes' effigy in celebration for 411 years. Remember Remember the 5th of november. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would imagine that would not go over very well... And the British people would do what if the govt ignored their will? Shake their fists? Guns are not the only means of effecting change. The Brits have come close to blowing up Parliament before. And come this November they will have burned Guy Fawkes' effigy in celebration for 411 years. Remember Remember the 5th of november. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 3:00:26 PM EDT
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