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Posted: 3/16/2017 11:30:23 AM EDT
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Believable. I think a third of the doctors in this town are foreign. But H1B isn't going anywhere. The corporate world loves cheap help.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 11:33:09 AM EDT
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Believable. I think a third of the doctors in this town are foreign. But H1B isn't going anywhere. The corporate world loves cheap help. No one gives much thought to when we import aluminum ore, or uranium. How long would it take to scale up to where we could internally meet our needs for RNs and MDs? Much longer than the typical political cycle. Same like balancing the budget. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 11:36:06 AM EDT
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Glancing around the office makes me think that 1 million number is low.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 11:40:43 AM EDT
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Glancing around the office makes me think that 1 million number is low. 
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Posted: 3/16/2017 11:42:16 AM EDT
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well you know.......the left tells me we're too stupid for those jobs or we don't want to do them
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Posted: 3/16/2017 11:44:15 AM EDT
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There is not enough bandwidth nor resources in the USA to produce enough RNs and MDs to meet the needs of the population. Nobody said "MAGA" was going to be easy or painless. We have spent decades importing cheap/illegal labor and cheap goods at the expense of American workers. Those actions have consequences. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 11:45:39 AM EDT
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There is not enough bandwidth nor resources in the USA to produce enough RNs and MDs to meet the needs of the population. No one gives much thought to when we import aluminum ore, or uranium. How long would it take to scale up to where we could internally meet our needs for RNs and MDs? Much longer than the typical political cycle. Same like balancing the budget. There are hundreds of qualified white Mormon males who want to get into the U of U Med School. The school doesn't want them, and would rather fill its 50 or so yearly slots with incompetent AA quota candidates. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 11:46:05 AM EDT
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There is not enough bandwidth nor resources in the USA to produce enough RNs and MDs to meet the needs of the population. No one gives much thought to when we import aluminum ore, or uranium. How long would it take to scale up to where we could internally meet our needs for RNs and MDs? Much longer than the typical political cycle. Same like balancing the budget. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Believable. I think a third of the doctors in this town are foreign. But H1B isn't going anywhere. The corporate world loves cheap help. No one gives much thought to when we import aluminum ore, or uranium. How long would it take to scale up to where we could internally meet our needs for RNs and MDs? Much longer than the typical political cycle. Same like balancing the budget. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 11:47:23 AM EDT
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. Bullshit! If college was affordable, tort law was fixed, Obamacare eliminated, and big pharma not pulling strings in Congress. There would be no domestic shortage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Believable. I think a third of the doctors in this town are foreign. But H1B isn't going anywhere. The corporate world loves cheap help. No one gives much thought to when we import aluminum ore, or uranium. How long would it take to scale up to where we could internally meet our needs for RNs and MDs? Much longer than the typical political cycle. Same like balancing the budget. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 11:50:38 AM EDT
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Well, when you artificially restrict the supply of MDs like most Med Schools do, then of course you are going to get shortages. There are hundreds of qualified white Mormon males who want to get into the U of U Med School. The school doesn't want them, and would rather fill its 50 or so yearly slots with incompetent AA quota candidates. We live in a society where diversity is more important than skills or intellect. I had a college professor tell me they would rather hire a minority professor even if they are clearly less qualified because diversity is more important. When you promote diversity to the point it is crippling, are you surprised when you're crippled by the diversity? |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 11:52:54 AM EDT
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What is your suggestion to make college affordable? They spend billions of dollars on impressive building and expensive technologies like automatic book retrieval systems for the libraries and all of that is passed on to the students. College use to be affordable because it consisted of dorms and some classrooms, and that was it. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 11:57:04 AM EDT
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The H1b program needs to be killed or scaled back in a yuuuuge way. It's had detrimental consequences on the tech industry as well.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:01:06 PM EDT
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The H1b program needs to be killed or scaled back in a yuuuuge way. It's had detrimental consequences on the tech industry as well. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:01:21 PM EDT
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Well, when you artificially restrict the supply of MDs like most Med Schools do, then of course you are going to get shortages. There are hundreds of qualified white Mormon males who want to get into the U of U Med School. The school doesn't want them, and would rather fill its 50 or so yearly slots with incompetent AA quota candidates. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is not enough bandwidth nor resources in the USA to produce enough RNs and MDs to meet the needs of the population. No one gives much thought to when we import aluminum ore, or uranium. How long would it take to scale up to where we could internally meet our needs for RNs and MDs? Much longer than the typical political cycle. Same like balancing the budget. There are hundreds of qualified white Mormon males who want to get into the U of U Med School. The school doesn't want them, and would rather fill its 50 or so yearly slots with incompetent AA quota candidates. The shortage of doctors in the U.S. is the result of a deliberate strategy among the medical profession/schools, that wants to restrict supply (which drives up wages). |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:05:29 PM EDT
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The H1b program needs to be killed or scaled back in a yuuuuge way. It's had detrimental consequences on the tech industry as well. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:06:12 PM EDT
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i worked with someone who has an H1B and she and I started talking, texting and going out on dates. then i asked her about her immigration status and she revealed that she has a H1B that is up for renewal this year and she didn't think her current employer/sponsor would renew it. i told her i wasn't interested in immigrating her or her family from china lol. she quickly lost interest and we no longer talk.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:06:29 PM EDT
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Being in the IT world, I would say the million mark is low.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:07:58 PM EDT
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There is not enough bandwidth nor resources in the USA to produce enough RNs and MDs to meet the needs of the population. No one gives much thought to when we import aluminum ore, or uranium. How long would it take to scale up to where we could internally meet our needs for RNs and MDs? Much longer than the typical political cycle. Same like balancing the budget. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Believable. I think a third of the doctors in this town are foreign. But H1B isn't going anywhere. The corporate world loves cheap help. No one gives much thought to when we import aluminum ore, or uranium. How long would it take to scale up to where we could internally meet our needs for RNs and MDs? Much longer than the typical political cycle. Same like balancing the budget. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:08:32 PM EDT
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Unless we gut some labor regulations it will result in corporations moving the labor overseas. Needs to be a comprehensive plan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The H1b program needs to be killed or scaled back in a yuuuuge way. It's had detrimental consequences on the tech industry as well. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:12:08 PM EDT
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Stupid democrat college kids, your demokrats (and Rinos) have sold themselves to a higher bidder.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:12:17 PM EDT
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We should start importing CEOs and hedge fund managers on special worker visas.
I am not a huge class warfare guy but it is all but impossible to ignore how the government turns a blind eye while illegals are imported and manufacturing is exported to gut the lower/middle class and H1Bs to keep wages artificially low for the upper middle class and lower upper class. Meanwhile, those who benefit from them get profoundly wealthier. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:14:12 PM EDT
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Same here. Natural born American citizens are a minority in my office |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:20:31 PM EDT
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The shit that has been perpetrated by the Feds and corporations against the American people is fucking criminal. This is a prime example.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:20:40 PM EDT
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Yep. It's already happening. Corporations will always seek the lowest cost solution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The H1b program needs to be killed or scaled back in a yuuuuge way. It's had detrimental consequences on the tech industry as well. 100% tariff on companies that move production overseas. 95% exit tax for companies moving their HQ and/or operations out of the US. Severe civil and criminal penalties for companies and executives try to circumvent the regulations. A company could leave the US, but there wouldn't be much of the company left if they wanted to. Also lower corporate income taxes and scale back regulation. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:21:15 PM EDT
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Same here. Natural born American citizens are a minority in my office |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:24:32 PM EDT
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BIL is a programmer for a large institution. There are only two white guys left in his division, the replacements are all Indians on visas. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Same here. Natural born American citizens are a minority in my office <img src="http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_freak.gif" /> It was happening at my last job. Really ramped up once a former H1B (now permanent resident) got senior enough to have significant input on developer interviewing and hiring. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:31:26 PM EDT
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Have you walked into a modern university campus lately? They spend billions of dollars on impressive building and expensive technologies like automatic book retrieval systems for the libraries and all of that is passed on to the students. College use to be affordable because it consisted of dorms and some classrooms, and that was it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is your suggestion to make college affordable? They spend billions of dollars on impressive building and expensive technologies like automatic book retrieval systems for the libraries and all of that is passed on to the students. College use to be affordable because it consisted of dorms and some classrooms, and that was it. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:36:32 PM EDT
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Study STEM! So you can brag about your degree while working at starbucks because an H1B took your job.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:38:11 PM EDT
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Study STEM! So you can brag about your degree while working at starbucks because an H1B took your job. 
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:39:12 PM EDT
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It was happening at my last job. Really ramped up once a former H1B (now permanent resident) got senior enough to have significant input on developer interviewing and hiring. Who you gonna give a good job to? A racist deplorable or your cousin? |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:45:00 PM EDT
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How long would it take to scale up to where we could internally meet our needs for RNs and MDs? |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:52:37 PM EDT
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Glancing around the office makes me think that 1 million number is low. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:55:14 PM EDT
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if you want more of something, subsidize it. if you want less of something, tax it. therefore we should continue to tax each h1b's wages PLUS add an additional tax to the employer for each h1b, say, 50% of what they pay for wages to that h1b is a good starting point, i think.
ETA: but who am i kidding? crony capitalism loves its status quo |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:56:28 PM EDT
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I'd guess that about 95% of our IT dept is from India. I'd bet that there are a lot of out-of-work Americans with IT degrees. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glancing around the office makes me think that 1 million number is low. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 12:59:51 PM EDT
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What is your suggestion to make college affordable? Just like everything else, you want prices to go down, get the govt out of the way and let the free market dictate the price. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 1:01:23 PM EDT
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I can truthfully say that my old company tries to hire as many H1B-visa holders as possible, and they would pay them 25-30% less, and the thing is many of these people are quite knowledgeable.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 1:24:05 PM EDT
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Grads in Basket Weaving and similar areas of expertise, are thankful to have more time for Gaming and blow-up dolls...
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Posted: 3/16/2017 1:38:24 PM EDT
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We have been entirely too Liberal with H1b visas
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Posted: 3/16/2017 1:39:50 PM EDT
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Get rid of these programs and go back to the apprentice type programs....that is what Trump needs to promote with Tax incentives.. It would cure many issues all at once if combined with Welfare renewals....
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Posted: 3/16/2017 2:25:19 PM EDT
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. Bullshit! If college was affordable, tort law was fixed, Obamacare eliminated, and big pharma not pulling strings in Congress. There would be no domestic shortage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Believable. I think a third of the doctors in this town are foreign. But H1B isn't going anywhere. The corporate world loves cheap help. No one gives much thought to when we import aluminum ore, or uranium. How long would it take to scale up to where we could internally meet our needs for RNs and MDs? Much longer than the typical political cycle. Same like balancing the budget. I said : Not enough of everything allocated to make enough docs to meet demand, and it won't/can't happen in one 4 yr election cycle. You say: Bullshit... and then go on to say we would need to 1. Fix the law 2. Make college affordable 3. Eliminate Obamacare 4. Reduce the influence of big pharm Ok. So you agree with me completely then. 
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Posted: 3/16/2017 2:27:54 PM EDT
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Bingo. The shortage of doctors in the U.S. is the result of a deliberate strategy among the medical profession/schools, that wants to restrict supply (which drives up wages). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is not enough bandwidth nor resources in the USA to produce enough RNs and MDs to meet the needs of the population. No one gives much thought to when we import aluminum ore, or uranium. How long would it take to scale up to where we could internally meet our needs for RNs and MDs? Much longer than the typical political cycle. Same like balancing the budget. There are hundreds of qualified white Mormon males who want to get into the U of U Med School. The school doesn't want them, and would rather fill its 50 or so yearly slots with incompetent AA quota candidates. The shortage of doctors in the U.S. is the result of a deliberate strategy among the medical profession/schools, that wants to restrict supply (which drives up wages). 1.3 M attorneys practicing. 855k MDs practicing 92 PAs practicing $270k to go thru med school $150k to go thru law school Can you explain to me how in a country run by attorneys, it is big pharma and docs that have us by the nose hairs? |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 2:30:40 PM EDT
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One of the big gotchas with an increased life expectancy is that we do not have a significant increase in the quality of life in those waning years of life, so it takes far more resources to keep an aging population, and a young overweight population going.
This is one reason for the almost exponential disparity between doctors made and doctors needed. And unlike SOME legal matters, you cannot routinely adjourn SOME medical procedures 3-9 months down the road. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 2:38:55 PM EDT
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Well, when you artificially restrict the supply of MDs like most Med Schools do, then of course you are going to get shortages. There are hundreds of qualified white Mormon males who want to get into the U of U Med School. The school doesn't want them, and would rather fill its 50 or so yearly slots with incompetent AA quota candidates. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 2:43:18 PM EDT
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Easy fix: 100% tariff on companies that move production overseas. 95% exit tax for companies moving their HQ and/or operations out of the US. Severe civil and criminal penalties for companies and executives try to circumvent the regulations. A company could leave the US, but there wouldn't be much of the company left if they wanted to. Also lower corporate income taxes and scale back regulation. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 2:45:37 PM EDT
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If they're here on an H1B....how are they taxed?
Federal/State Income? |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 2:47:20 PM EDT
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Even the Univ of Calif Berkley is getting into the IT H1B-visa stuff. They have laid-off all of their US-based help and hired off-shore people.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 2:48:18 PM EDT
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Well, when you artificially restrict the supply of MDs like most Med Schools do, then of course you are going to get shortages. There are hundreds of qualified white Mormon males who want to get into the U of U Med School. The school doesn't want them, and would rather fill its 50 or so yearly slots with incompetent AA quota candidates. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is not enough bandwidth nor resources in the USA to produce enough RNs and MDs to meet the needs of the population. No one gives much thought to when we import aluminum ore, or uranium. How long would it take to scale up to where we could internally meet our needs for RNs and MDs? Much longer than the typical political cycle. Same like balancing the budget. There are hundreds of qualified white Mormon males who want to get into the U of U Med School. The school doesn't want them, and would rather fill its 50 or so yearly slots with incompetent AA quota candidates. If a school has 50 slots, and they graduate 50 MDs in 4 years, where is the artificial restriction? If you said they were selectively discriminating, prejudicial or biased against certain classes, I would agree but I don't see the cap you are mentioning. It would also be great for the discussion if you could back your stuff up with real numbers. Aint nobody getting into medical school who is not adequately qualified. The acceptance rate for medical school is about 6.7 - 7%. As we found out from our Harvard guy here, the acceptance rate into Harvard is about 5.3% When you look at drop out rates for med school compared to other graduate/post grad stuff, do you expect that rate is higher, or lower than the rest? |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 2:53:16 PM EDT
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Yep. It's already happening. Corporations will always seek the lowest cost solution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The H1b program needs to be killed or scaled back in a yuuuuge way. It's had detrimental consequences on the tech industry as well. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 3:07:25 PM EDT
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There is not enough bandwidth nor resources in the USA to produce enough RNs and MDs to meet the needs of the population. No one gives much thought to when we import aluminum ore, or uranium. How long would it take to scale up to where we could internally meet our needs for RNs and MDs? Much longer than the typical political cycle. Same like balancing the budget. This, and a lot of other artificial constraints we self-impose through the administrative overhead we require, are the real reasons medicine is so fucking expensive in this country. And, why there hasn't been a "free market" in medicine since fer-fuckingever--The AMA is a textbook case of a cartel taking over a market, dominating it, and then fucking over the customer base. Why we allow it? 'Cos doctors can do no wrong... |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 3:10:06 PM EDT
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There is not enough bandwidth nor resources in the USA to produce enough RNs and MDs to meet the needs of the population. No one gives much thought to when we import aluminum ore, or uranium. How long would it take to scale up to where we could internally meet our needs for RNs and MDs? Much longer than the typical political cycle. Same like balancing the budget. |
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