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Posted: 4/5/2017 4:51:37 PM EDT
Whenever I go traveling abroad, I like to pick up traditional weapons of the region--either good quality reproductions made by local smiths (not tourist junk) or antiques.  For example--handmade rapier when I was in Toledo Spain and hand made basket hilt when I was in Scotland .  Looking for fully functional weapons, of course, not SCA stuff.


The question is, since the next trip is to Ireland, what is a traditional/representative blade for that region and does anyone know of excellent craftsmen in Ireland who make said blades?
Link Posted: 4/5/2017 4:57:11 PM EDT
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If I recall my Bede correctly, the Irish liked very large axes.
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Potato peeler
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broken whiskey bottle
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Examples of said axes?
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Here in the states, that device had its very own name. It did growing up in Baltimore anyway.
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lol, this
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Double handed long sword



and a short sword

Link Posted: 4/5/2017 5:27:19 PM EDT
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claideamh ? 


Or Claymore as it is commonly known. 

Gaelic warfare
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more recently, car bombs.
Link Posted: 4/5/2017 5:36:58 PM EDT
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After some Celtic bronze weapons, not a ton stands out as uniquely Irish.  

I would look into a Gallowglass axe, perhaps.

There are some swords with peculiar pommels (ring and exposed tang) associated with Ireland, but they weren't widespread and tend to be Ren Faire oriented now (in terms of repros).
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GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

lol.



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Here in the states, that device had its very own name. It did growing up in Baltimore anyway.
"Basketball American Knife"?

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more recently, car bombs.
"Better come clean with ya now, sweetheart. That was an outright lie I was giving ya about me revolver being wet. You see, I'm not too fond of shooting. It's my preference to blow things up. Once you blast the roof off a pub, and see all the parts flying off people, a little bang-bang's never going to match the sight of that. And here I am with all these fine grenades, and such a sweet beauty of a remote. But it's my knife I'll be doin' you with."
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"Better come clean with ya now, sweetheart. That was an outright lie I was giving ya about me revolver being wet. You see, I'm not too fond of shooting. It's my preference to blow things up. Once you blast the roof off a pub, and see all the parts flying off people, a little bang-bang's never going to match the sight of that. And here I am with all these fine grenades, and such a sweet beauty of a remote. But it's my knife I'll be doin' you with."
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Sin City?
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After some Celtic bronze weapons, not a ton stands out as uniquely Irish.  

I would look into a Gallowglass axe, perhaps.

There are some swords with peculiar pommels (ring and exposed tang) associated with Ireland, but they weren't widespread and tend to be Ren Faire oriented now (in terms of repros).
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Looks pretty cool.
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"Better come clean with ya now, sweetheart. That was an outright lie I was giving ya about me revolver being wet. You see, I'm not too fond of shooting. It's my preference to blow things up. Once you blast the roof off a pub, and see all the parts flying off people, a little bang-bang's never going to match the sight of that. And here I am with all these fine grenades, and such a sweet beauty of a remote. But it's my knife I'll be doin' you with."
Sin City?
Yes
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lol.



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GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

lol.



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Here in the states, that device had its very own name. It did growing up in Baltimore anyway.
"Basketball American Knife"?

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What about the Seax?
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more Saxon or Viking, IIRC.
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Ah, so the consensus seems to be the cool axe or typical swords with specific hilts?


Here's the basket hilt I got in Scotland.  Hand made and very sharp.
Link Posted: 4/5/2017 7:02:27 PM EDT
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The irish never got around to making any cool weapons. They intended to, but they got drunk instead. That's one of the reasons the English always kicked their asses
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Maybe a replica of the county Limerick sword seen on page 28 in "Swords Of The Viking Age" by Ian Peirce  Its kind of unique in its construction. Or a replica of the Ballinderry bog sword. This one was a +ULFBERHT+ sword. Its on page 63  and the hilt is the cover picture.  As mentioned above the ring pommel swords are usually found in Ireland. The Albion Kern is a good example.
ANS17 - Albion Kern Sword - $1,295.00
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Nobody prefers axes.

Here's celtic swords. Very similar to Roman ones.

Celtic


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That ENGLISH LONGSWORD?

Also what time period OP?
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Nobody used that much.
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Ah, so the consensus seems to be the cool axe or typical swords with specific hilts?


Here's the basket hilt I got in Scotland.  Hand made and very sharp.
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That is a WAY more modern sword made specifically for stabbing. A very poor cutting tool but great for getting into the joints of armor.
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Nobody in the ancient world really preferred axes for combat. And even more popular than swords were spears; cheap, easier to produce, and little training required.
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Against armor an axe is almost useless.
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A mace or a warhammer, even a sword are better.
Using half swording and murder strokes


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The most common weapon of the celtic armies.

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As far as how early celts were equipped it was very similar to Romans. In armor, weaponry, etc.
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And other than slight variations for a time the arming sword was standard in most places.




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Traditional as to when?
Sword technology was constantly changing in Europe, as was armor.
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The bludgeoning force alone could break bone.  
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A warhammer or a mace would've been preferred.
An axe is far cheaper and easier to make than a sword, it's just more economical, it's hard to fuck up.
Most axes picked up by peasants were their tools.

Pros and cons of axes compared to swords
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Nobody who could afford a sword wanted an axe.
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And more than likely if you're being armed by a large standing army you'll get a spear or polearm.
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Spears are hands down the easiest to use and cheapest weapons to produce.
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People wore thick padding under their armor.
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In fact, this is very effective armor against cutting.



A gambeson was made of many layers of thick cloth.
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A warhammer or a mace would've been preferred.
An axe is far cheaper and easier to make than a sword, it's just more economical, it's hard to fuck up.
Most axes picked up by peasants were their tools.

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that's a CRKT tomahawk.
I have one; it's pretty cool.

and yes, the peasantry brought their agricultural tools to war; axes, bill-hooks, flails, hammers.
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Good question. I'd like something iconic to the region from Middle Ages to the renaissance perhaps
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That is a WAY more modern sword made specifically for stabbing. A very poor cutting tool but great for getting into the joints of armor.
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Yes, certainly, however when you see a basket hilt, you think Scotland.  What weapon says Ireland?
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Today I learned what SGStiles autistic trigger is.

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more Saxon or Viking, IIRC.
Most of Irish military history eventually involves Vikings, Scottish mercs, etc.
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