Cops shouldn't be administering drugs period.

There wasn't a line of bleeding hearts handing out free meds when my Wife was dying from Leukemia.

Drug Addiction is not a disease as far as I'm concerned. But a choice. Fuck em.

Ed

i saw what you did there, great movie LOL

At least there's one voice of reason in this thread. Do the rest of you really want us (the police) making value judgments on who we should try to save and who we should just let die?

They're not doctors.

Anyone who does H on purpose is a retard and deserves to die.  Knowing how dangerous and addictive it is I don't know why anyone would get involved with it.

oh well

Obviously not the user's fault at all then. They are the victims right?

None of the OD folks we've had would have gone on to cure cancer. None would have been on the first manned flight to Mars. Or done anything positive to advance society. I'd feel differently perhaps if even half of the ODs we've had would use the opportunity of being saved to get clean and become productive citizens. But they don't. Quite the opposite. They are often mad that you interrupted their high, even if they were blue and unresponsive.

Now that they're all carrying their own taxpayer funded Narcan, they don't go to the ER for further treatment when their buddy brings them back. They go back to getting high.

Heroin has been responsible for taking away some our regular players. Don't miss them a bit.

Self correcting problem. 

Shameless.

quote"Their duty is to protect and save lifes"

No it isn't their duty per the U.S. supreme court  but I do agree with the first part of your reply.

Came to post this basically.

They aren't medics. If narcan went away they heroin/opiate scourge would be self correcting.

That's why it went away in the late 60's and stayed away until the early 90's, when the start of the "drug war" made pot to risky to smuggle so drugs more profitable and harder to detect surged in popularity.

Super nice guy. Met him at the Hamilton YMCA.

That's my sheriff. he loves illegal immigrants too, lol


Should cops carry glucose tubes for diabetics?

Should cops carry epi pens?

Should cops carry, and the list goes on,,,,,,,,

How about cops do cop shit and leave it at that.

That's doctors. Maybe junkies should shoot up in the ER, save everyone a bunch of trouble.

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Amen and let them rest in peace.

I agree. Why interrupt a suicide? If it's a minor, then help. But, if its an adult. Well, bye.

+1

Why dump another non-cop responsibility on them when they want to be cops.

Then let those parents live with the guilt of what happened till their next buy takes them. Darwin,  take them all.

Now aren't some of us just ass hats. If they junkies and over dose they should just die. Yeah right. Some those people are not junkies that over dose nimrods. You don't know if you've never seen the people before.

Now are far as using narcan. You only want to use enough or in other words titrate to effect to stabilize the patient.

You do not want to take their high away in case they are a junkie. Because if you block the opiate receptors totally and take a junkies high totally away. What happens......................withdrawals.

The person you gave narcan to if a junkie will go into withdrawals which can include. Vomiting, violent reactions, uncontrolled bowel movements ect...ect...

Now the only way you can really know how much to give them is if you have them hooked up to a life pack 10 or 12 so you can monitor their vitals.

You only and I say ONLY GIVE THEM ENOUGH TO STABILZE THEM. They may not even become alert/conscious.

Now in an emergency situation to stabilize someone that may or may not be a junkie. It could be someone that was slipped a drug, first time user that is a straight A student or who ever and a lot of I don't knows.

If you pull up on scene the main thing you as a first responder ie LEO should be concerned with is breathing on an overdose. If you must give narcan give in small burst wait a minute and observe breathing. Once breathing is stable stop.

Then observe until paramedics arrive. You may have to reapply doseage. But no more than necessary just to stabilize the breathing by observation.

You be hailed as a hero for saving a life and get in the NEWS might get LEO of the year and probably a medal for doing what Firefighters and Firefighter Medics do everydays and don't bitch or whine about it like your doing here in this thread.

I don't get this attitude of fuck people let them die. Everyone of you that wears a badge are first responders. If you mind set is not as such as to save peoples lifes you need to fucking quit.

It takes a very special kind of person to roll up on scene and look down upon someone dying. Knowing they have the power to save their life and instead just lets them die because they think that person will never be productive in the world.

In the mind of that first responder he figures he just saved the taxpayer a shit load of money.  Some people might say that first responder committed murdered because they had a fiduciary responsibility to act.

You were not hired to be cop, jury, judge and executioner. Though some of you think you were from they way you post.

Sure theirs garbage out there. But not everyone is garbage, not everyone that overdoses is a junkie. You also have to remember if your in public always assume somebody is recording you. If you fuck up it could cost you.

I agree...cops should never do anything that endangers them.  They should quit intervening in domestic disputes, stop serving warrants against violent criminals, and for goodness sake, NEVER should they pursue bad guys.  Why? None of them are happy to see the police, and they are potentially violent.  

Shit, I don't even think they should exceed the speed limit or go through a red light.  That's dangerous!

There is no consitutional duty to protect, either, so they should change "To Protect and Serve" on their cars to, "To Sit Back and Watch."  

The cops I know are great people and they got in the business to save lives.  One was decorated for giving Narcan to a boy, saving his life.  I wonder how things will go in this sheriff's jourisdiction when the life that could have been saved is the son or daughter of another deputy.  Guess what? Even some cops have kids who become addicted to heroine.  If they become hostile, that's what tasers are for, or billy clubs.  Btw, whatever happened to billy clubs? That used to be the antecdote for someone not happy to see the cops.

Bullshit excuse 

Too dangerous for cops- lets have nurses or medics do it

He should reconsider his policy for his Deputy's safety.  The introduction of fentanyl and carfentanyl into the heroin increase the possibility of an officer over dosiing through accidental contact.  An officer to the south of us overdosed through incidental contact with extra spicy heroin.  I'd also not want to be the guy standing there while a kid who got into some heroin was dying over a policy stance.

This right here is how we got here. You work in the ER, you'll see it every damn day.

make it illegal to possess by anyone outside of a hospital.

Saw a guy in the trauma room not breathing, basically dead, dumped off at the ER doorstep by his buddy. Given Narcan and came around. Became violent and denied that he was brought back from death. Kept looking at us and say "oh, bullsheeet" (latin accent) when we told him. He was PISSED to be there, off his high, and had to be "carpet-bombed" by the syringe-yielding nurse to keep him in check. Dude slept for 10 hours after that. 

And how much you want their vomit % to go up!  

I know right. It interferes with midnight basketball and acting as social workers.

All of that, plus I find it very hard to believe that everyone at (among others) purdue pharma were completely innocent in how they marketed their high dose formulations, and how they handled post-marketing surveillance.

One or more of the neighboring counties is considering a 3 strikes system becuase they have to save the same people over and over. It consumes a lot of local resources.
Dayton OH is 30 minutes from there and it is #1 in the US for drug OD deaths even with the massive use of narcan.
Montgomery County, Ohio, tops in U.S. for overdose deaths

Using Heroin is like giving yourself the death sentence. I have read newspaper articles where Narcan was administered to someone that OD'd and brought them around, only to have it administered to them again a couple of days later. A young cousin of mine was addicted an died from an OD. He Od'd many times but the last one got him.

I told my son when he was old enough to listen that Heroin is a death sentence and sooner or later it will get you. I am torn on the use of Narcan because of this. It just prolongs a family's suffering in dealing with an addict. Is that cold, yes it is but its the reality of it.