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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:22:09 AM EDT
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And when a cop accidentally ODs on heroin in the process of dealing with a junkie I guess they will just have to wait for the medics? There is stuff so potent out there these days that the police will not knowingly handle it without hazmat suits.
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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:24:01 AM EDT
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My brother is a junkie, last time I heard he OD'ed, I just wanted to know if he lived. I hope he goes back to prison soon, or doesn't live through an OD, just so I don't have to worry about him as much. He is not ready to change, so those are the 2 options I live with from him. I don't wish it on him, and wish he would choose to get sober, but that's not the reality. 
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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:25:58 AM EDT
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I know right. It interferes with midnight basketball and acting as social workers.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been against this whole lets make medics out of cops deal. 
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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:30:02 AM EDT
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Is an overdose of Narcan dangerous? What if you give a 70 pound child a dose of Narcan more suitable for a 220 pound adult? I say leave medical treatment to medical professionals. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:36:13 AM EDT
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Never mind the little issue of it being a prescription medication. Who is prescribing it?
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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:38:27 AM EDT
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Much feelz for a bunch of worthless junkie fuckheads.
Fuck 'em they bought the ticket let them take the ride. Inshallah... |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:41:23 AM EDT
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They're not doctors. This is retarded and asking to be sued. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:45:12 AM EDT
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Never mind the little issue of it being a prescription medication. Who is prescribing it? |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:50:52 AM EDT
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Now if we could just get Montgomery county to stop giving narcan Ohio would be a better place.
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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:53:07 AM EDT
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They are never happy to see the medic either. So definitely, let the guys without guns take care off it. I don't think cops should give it. But that's a weak excuse. Put the stuff in operating rooms in case of overdose with surgery. Ban it everywhere else. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:53:32 AM EDT
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Good. The most effective way to rehabilitate a drug addict is to let them die in their own filth.
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Posted: 7/7/2017 8:58:42 AM EDT
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Because doctors were giving out way too many opioids and the Mexican drug cartels made a business decision to flood the US with more and cheaper heroin. Herion and opiods abuse is ridiculously common now. I see people involved in it all the time who are not "typical junkies." It's even in high schools. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:00:42 AM EDT
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Cheaper in the long run cleans up the jean pool quicker  |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:01:49 AM EDT
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The doctors getting blamed is fake news. The "opioid epidemic" is fake news. It's a heroin epidemic. The news can't call it that, because it's all coming through the border that liberals want to stay open. People aren't OD'ing on pills they got from their doctor, and doctors aren't creating addicts. Maybe they prescribe opioids to future addicts, who find that they like them enough to switch to heroin, but that has nothing to do with the doctors. The one and only problem is that heroin is pouring through the border. As with any drug, the market is unlimited. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:04:36 AM EDT
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What if the medical professionals say that a person with a small amount of appropriate training can administer narcan? Then we're right back to the original argument. So are aspirin and nitro for angina, dextrose gel, activated charcoal, O2, pulse ox, albuterol, benadryl, and epi. These are all EMT-Basic shit, no lock box, no extra paperwork, on MD standing orders. What other medical intervention do you want LEOs to perform in addition to LEO responsibilities if we're going down the "small amount of appropriate training" slope? When I rolled up on a scene, PD was there to secure the scene and control traffic/crowds and ensure FD and EMS could focus on the patient. This is the Sheriff making the call he wants his department and deputies to focus their time and resources on law enforcement. No deputy is making the decision of who lives or dies on OD calls. The die is already cast and the Sheriff will answer for it if the county elects a new one. The few times I worked OD patients, FD medics pushed enough Narcan to wake the patient. Every time, said patient was belligerent as fuck. We manhandled and strapped their asses to the backboard for transport with O2 or facemask to stop them from spitting on us. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:04:58 AM EDT
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And when a cop accidentally ODs on heroin in the process of dealing with a junkie I guess they will just have to wait for the medics? There is stuff so potent out there these days that the police will not knowingly handle it without hazmat suits. Idiocy. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/americas-heroin-epidemic/fentanyl-crisis-ohio-cop-accidentally-overdoses-during-drug-call-n759741 |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:06:57 AM EDT
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Well opiods prescribed by doctors to seem to create addicts out of people who would never have become drunks or meth or crack users. Obviously not everyone starts out on legal opiods but it has been a huge fuck up in the medical profession that we now pay for now if you want to start shooting potheads that'll save some money  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obviously not the user's fault at all then. They are the victims right? Obviously not everyone starts out on legal opiods but it has been a huge fuck up in the medical profession that we now pay for now if you want to start shooting potheads that'll save some money |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:08:56 AM EDT
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I don't really have an issue with their position. They are police officers, not EMTs or Paramedics.
It might be a "nice" or "the right thing" to do depending on your opinion but it's not the de facto purview of law enforcement. I say this as someone who had administered well over a 100 milligrams in the field this year FYI. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:10:07 AM EDT
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Personal responsibility.
Want to do heroin... face the music. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:11:19 AM EDT
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From 99-2015 183,000 died from ODing on prescription opiods. That ignores the much larger number of people deliberately ODing and not dying. Is that the end of the story? Of course not. But the mddical industry absolutely has its hands in this cluster fuck. You know an average of 5,000 Americans drown in bathtubs each year? That's 80,000 people in 16 years. I bet you think the bathtub manufacturers has their hands in this. Nearly a thousand die each year on lawnmowers, I bet you blame the lawnmower companies for having a hand in this. Over 2,000 die each year from constipation, I bet laxative companies are behind this. 10,000 Americans die falling out of beds..... fucking temperpedics and those high mattress manufacturers..... btw, that's 160,000 in 16 years. Imagine how many fall out of bed and don't die *sarcasm* But hey, let's blame Doctors and the medical companies for 180k people dying each year becuase they are drug addicts. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:13:16 AM EDT
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Can they get "We Harm" on the side of the patrol cars under the Punisher skulls? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They're not doctors. Some kid who is having an allergic reaction I can't do anything for, but some shit head who decides to get his fix for the 100th time is more worth saving. Gotta love society. 
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:13:36 AM EDT
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Cheaper in the long run cleans up the jean pool quicker |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:15:13 AM EDT
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Easy, make a policy leaving the carry and use of Narcan entirely up to the individual officer.
If they want to carry it strictly for personal emergency use they have that option. If they want to be "Captain save a Junkie" and have a dozen doses on hand for every OD they come across they also have that option. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:21:48 AM EDT
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I don't know. I think maybe given the chance a LEO would rather save a life especially if the family is there hoping their son doesn't die than see some one die. Except this guy.
But I'm not a LEO so I wouldn't know what it's like in this situation. Any LEOs here, what would you prefer? |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:24:42 AM EDT
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I am not allowed to administer an epi pen, but I can administer narcan. Some kid who is having an allergic reaction I can't do anything for, but some shit head who decides to get his fix for the 100th time is more worth saving. Gotta love society. you hit someone with an epi pen who isn't having an allergy attack and you can kill them. I've seen this. Old guy allergic to bees, one landed on him, he had a panic attack and his buddy hit him with his epi pen. CPR in progress by the time we showed up, no bee sting you hit someone with Narcan who isn't high and Odds are good you just wasted the narcan |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:26:51 AM EDT
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We're educated over and over through school about the bad effects of drugs. Yet our tax dollars go to keep these leeches of society alive and promote their drug use. I have no sympathy for them having grown up with a parent on drugs. Good for Sheriff Jones. More should follow his lead.
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:27:20 AM EDT
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Cops are not medical personnel.
Give the officers the non medical tool to do their job. 
Wake up,slap, wake up mother fucker, slap slap slap. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:32:40 AM EDT
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From 99-2015 183,000 died from ODing on prescription opiods. That ignores the much larger number of people deliberately ODing and not dying. Is that the end of the story? Of course not. But the mddical industry absolutely has its hands in this cluster fuck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The doctors getting blamed is fake news. The "opioid epidemic" is fake news. It's a heroin epidemic. The news can't call it that, because it's all coming through the border that liberals want to stay open. People aren't OD'ing on pills they got from their doctor, and doctors aren't creating addicts. Maybe they prescribe opioids to future addicts, who find that they like them enough to switch to heroin, but that has nothing to do with the doctors. The one and only problem is that heroin is pouring through the border. As with any drug, the market is unlimited. https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates 
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:34:30 AM EDT
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Liberalism is a mental problem. So many on here.
Liberalism, socialism, communism all involve the same things. Chiefly, no personal responsibility for where you are and how you got there. I do not care. I do care about paying more taxes to save these people from their bad decisions. Oh libtards of GD......so kind of you to advocate taking money from innocent people at gun point to save these worthless people. So charitable of you. Bet you feel good about yourselves too uh? Regular little robin hoods. So brave of you to take by threat of force from those who make good decisions to give to those who make bad. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:38:58 AM EDT
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Theres cause for that you hit someone with an epi pen who isn't having an allergy attack and you can kill them. I've seen this. Old guy allergic to bees, one landed on him, he had a panic attack and his buddy hit him with his epi pen. CPR in progress by the time we showed up, no bee sting you hit someone with Narcan who isn't high and Odds are good you just wasted the narcan Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am not allowed to administer an epi pen, but I can administer narcan. Some kid who is having an allergic reaction I can't do anything for, but some shit head who decides to get his fix for the 100th time is more worth saving. Gotta love society. you hit someone with an epi pen who isn't having an allergy attack and you can kill them. I've seen this. Old guy allergic to bees, one landed on him, he had a panic attack and his buddy hit him with his epi pen. CPR in progress by the time we showed up, no bee sting you hit someone with Narcan who isn't high and Odds are good you just wasted the narcan Average response time for EMS around here is 10 - 15 minutes. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:40:30 AM EDT
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They should carry it for themselves at least. Fentanyl is nasty and if an officer accidentally comes in contact he should inject himself. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:41:57 AM EDT
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We should all support anything that helps the police, I support that 100%
Not the cops job to save junkies from thier own stupid fucking addiction, let the liberals do it. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:43:19 AM EDT
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Theres cause for that you hit someone with an epi pen who isn't having an allergy attack and you can kill them. I've seen this. Old guy allergic to bees, one landed on him, he had a panic attack and his buddy hit him with his epi pen. CPR in progress by the time we showed up, no bee sting you hit someone with Narcan who isn't high and Odds are good you just wasted the narcan In several decades in the ER, I've never seen epi kill anyone. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:45:25 AM EDT
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They just need to legalize it all.
Give them medical cards and have at it. Its a drain either way, at least they are getting clean stuff and petty crime will go down. The cartels will die in a year. My kids aren't gonna do that shit. Either you will or won't. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 9:46:10 AM EDT
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I've worked closely with the guys over in Butler Co. before. They're a class act. And I mean that most sincerely. They always have their stuff squared away and I have yet to meet one who isn't a really good cop. If their Sheriff says that's their policy then that's their policy and they'll obey it.
I know of one EMS service that is getting very good at timing their administration of Narcan as closely as possible to their arrival at the ER so the patient isn't thrashing around in the back of the truck en route. They exercise an abundance of caution before administering any drug and only use the Narcan as a last resort. Often times the patient will refuse treatment and leave the ER AMA once they're brought back to the World of the Living anyway. As for me. If I'm able to not have to deal with someone dying in front of me and usually their family or friends then I'll do it. Not really out of any over abundance of compassion for them but just because I don't want to have to deal with it. Not my problem and if I can avoid making it my problem I'll do it in a heartbeat. Cops spend their days walking in a sewer of human behavior anyway. Who needs all the death and dying drama? It is kind of advisable to have the suspect properly restrained before hitting them with the magic juice because they tend to be very unhappy and downright dope sick when they come around. The latest fallacy we're having shoved down our throats locally is that addiction is some kind of treatable disease. The health care community is trying to normalize being a junkie and has apparently figured out how to bill for big bucks on "treatment" services. They pat the addicts on the head and tell them none of this is their fault. Yeah, that's really cut down on the number of theft reports, OD's, gang bangers from out of town, and inexplicable traffic crashes down to nearly nothing. It's a disease, don't you know? |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 10:01:34 AM EDT
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We just got training on Narcan for personal protective purposes.
We received a bulletin about how tow officers, (NJ I think) were damn near killed by contact with Carfentanyl which a no shit elephant anesthetic. Fentanyl is supposed to be 10x stronger than heroin, and Carfentanyl is supposed to be 10x stronger than normal fentanyl. These two cops thought they were just dealing with fentanyl instead of the carfentanyl they really had. One got it on his uniform and the other brushed it off, causing it to become airborne and they accidentally inhaled some, and were pretty quickly put down. They were saved by immediate EMS response and repeated Narcan treatments. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 10:06:19 AM EDT
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Yeah. You are suppose to give just enough to keep them breathing but still under. Most people just slam it to piss them off because fuck them. If the RN at the hospital are cunts to you, Slam it just as you unload them and they will puke and fight in the ER.  Maybe the RN's are "cunts" to you because you do stupid shit like this??? |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 10:40:36 AM EDT
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Y'all are pro-life but only as far as fetuses are concerned.
"Drug addicts? Well I don't understand how addiction works, so I'll just consider them flawed subhuman scum that deserves a painful death in a gutter so I don't have to feel any empathy for them. It's the Christian thing to do." |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 10:48:51 AM EDT
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Y'all are pro-life but only as far as fetuses are concerned. "Drug addicts? Well I don't understand how addiction works, so I'll just consider them flawed subhuman scum that deserves a painful death in a gutter so I don't have to feel any empathy for them. It's the Christian thing to do." What does Christianity have to do with Narcan??? I see people having to pay for chemo and yet Narcan gets all the oxygen. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 10:52:32 AM EDT
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At least there's one voice of reason in this thread. Do the rest of you really want us (the police) making value judgments on who we should try to save and who we should just let die? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol "safety" The sheriff has decided to let some people die who his officers could save. I suppose we'll see private ambulance companies in places like Portland refusing to assist injured police officers "my EMTs could be injured by criminals." Our society is so obsessed with saving people from their own stupidity it's negatively affecting us. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 10:52:45 AM EDT
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Y'all are pro-life but only as far as fetuses are concerned. "Drug addicts? Well I don't understand how addiction works, so I'll just consider them flawed subhuman scum that deserves a painful death in a gutter so I don't have to feel any empathy for them. It's the Christian thing to do." That is one of the dumbest comparisons I've seen in GD in awhile... 
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Posted: 7/7/2017 10:54:15 AM EDT
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Not sure I agree %100 with that. Sometimes kids of junkies will injest or otherwise consume haroine. I think they should carry it. Their duty is to protect and save lifes. Anything that can help them save lives should be utilized.  
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Posted: 7/7/2017 10:54:31 AM EDT
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We just got training on Narcan for personal protective purposes. We received a bulletin about how tow officers, (NJ I think) were damn near killed by contact with Carfentanyl which a no shit elephant anesthetic. Fentanyl is supposed to be 10x stronger than heroin, and Carfentanyl is supposed to be 10x stronger than normal fentanyl. These two cops thought they were just dealing with fentanyl instead of the carfentanyl they really had. One got it on his uniform and the other brushed it off, causing it to become airborne and they accidentally inhaled some, and were pretty quickly put down. They were saved by immediate EMS response and repeated Narcan treatments.
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Posted: 7/7/2017 10:57:51 AM EDT
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Good. Why should they interfere with Darwin's work?
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Posted: 7/7/2017 10:57:58 AM EDT
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Intra-nasally administered narcan needs to be ambu bagged in to really take effect, at least to someone who is really blue. It's not a pulp-fiction wake up when you spray it up their nose. I personally don't have a problem with cops (who have very minimal medical training) not administering medication. We have EMT's, medics, and nurses for that. Let them be cops, that job is hard enough. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 11:05:35 AM EDT
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There was an officer in Ohio who was hospitalized after getting the elephant stuff on his uniform and brushing it off Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We just got training on Narcan for personal protective purposes. We received a bulletin about how tow officers, (NJ I think) were damn near killed by contact with Carfentanyl which a no shit elephant anesthetic. Fentanyl is supposed to be 10x stronger than heroin, and Carfentanyl is supposed to be 10x stronger than normal fentanyl. These two cops thought they were just dealing with fentanyl instead of the carfentanyl they really had. One got it on his uniform and the other brushed it off, causing it to become airborne and they accidentally inhaled some, and were pretty quickly put down. They were saved by immediate EMS response and repeated Narcan treatments. Another officer brushed it off his co-workers uniform. I am not sure if that other officer even knew what it was. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 11:07:27 AM EDT
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I've listened to Richard K Jones interviewed on Willy's show quite a bit.
He's a blowhard, ignorant, showboating asshole. A good fit with Bill Cunningham. |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 11:08:39 AM EDT
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I'm a cop...
I'm not a locksmith, but I have to go out and unlock car doors... I'm not a mechanic, but I have to change tires and jump off cars... I'm not an animal control officer, but I have to get snakes out of houses and an rescue dogs... I'm not a social worker, but I have to go out and check on the elderly and the someone that won't return your phone call... I'm not a paramedic and I don't want to carry Narcan... |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 11:09:13 AM EDT
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Y'all are pro-life but only as far as fetuses are concerned. "Drug addicts? Well I don't understand how addiction works, so I'll just consider them flawed subhuman scum that deserves a painful death in a gutter so I don't have to feel any empathy for them. It's the Christian thing to do." |
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Posted: 7/7/2017 11:11:55 AM EDT
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Y'all are pro-life but only as far as fetuses are concerned. "Drug addicts? Well I don't understand how addiction works, so I'll just consider them flawed subhuman scum that deserves a painful death in a gutter so I don't have to feel any empathy for them. It's the Christian thing to do." |
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