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Posted: 8/6/2017 6:00:56 AM EDT
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That involves too much freedom and not enough bureaucracy.  Meanwhile now we have drug addicts driving ten hours round trip to a "clinic" where they can get "legal" drug substitutes. I'm guessing there's a reason why these people aren't going to local doctors. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 6:02:52 AM EDT
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the current version of prohibition is not working so why not try something different set up gov heroin operations in impacted communities junkies get maintenance doses of clean heroin at no cost they also have access to counseling if they choose to attempt to quit. no more overdoses in the street cut down on cartel money and drug violence addicts no longer have to commit crime to support their addiction. the downside is you have to accept that there will be some lifelong addicts leading mostly normal lives (soccer mom getting 3-4 doses a day) |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 7:45:45 AM EDT
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I've said it before and I'll continue to say it. Don't fuck with ARFCOM'S two addictions: Entertainment and prescription drugs. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 8:12:07 AM EDT
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I was in the ER a few months ago for a neck problem, and I met this guy in his 50's who was a long-term alcoholic. I was amazed he opened up to me so quickly, but it seems he and his friends have this scam where they check-in to the hospital for alcohol detox because the hospital gives them Ativan to help in the detox. Once they get the Ativan, they go back to drinking as usual, and then check themselves back into the hospital for another dertox to get more Ativan. He said they have been doing it for years. I don't know a lot about Ativan, but I remember the couple of times I was in the hospital in the past 10 years, when my back hurt so bad I could not sleep, Ativan was the cure. The pain pills alone did not cut it. I needed the pain pills and Ativan to finally get some sleep. Is Ativan additive? Does the fact some drunks abuse it mean it will be banned for everyone at some point? That seems unfair. Just as it seems unfair to ban a certain class of opioids because a small percentage of individuals abuse them. It sounds like gun control for meds. Ninety-nine percent of gun owners never do anything illegal with guns, but because 1% do, all guns should be banned or gun ownership curtailed? Makes sense.  |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 8:13:04 AM EDT
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Cut Narcan production.....problem will solve it's self. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 8:14:30 AM EDT
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Well, I guess this will please heroin dealers.
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Posted: 8/6/2017 8:27:43 AM EDT
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The problem with young'ns is they don't realize that government truly is the problem, not the solution. Start from there on any issue. Then work backwards.
Prosecutor every single bad doctor. Even if it doesn't get you an FBI promotion. Fight heroin and hard drug importers. Same methods. Leave pot and legal meds and good doctors the fuck alone. And let us people who live with constant daily pain to suffer (just a little less) in peace. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 8:29:01 AM EDT
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Somewhere in America, a heroin dealer is jumping for joy!!
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Posted: 8/6/2017 8:54:25 AM EDT
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Somewhere in America, a heroin dealer is jumping for joy!! 
And its not even so much the drug dealers it's the Mexican cartels who will be picking up the slack. The terrorist organisations that murder cops, Americans, and whole villages of people. Sounds like a great plan. 
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Posted: 8/6/2017 9:27:55 AM EDT
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WTF? There's no way to argue with someone who, genuinely, has no grasp of reality. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You do realize that all alcoholics bought their first drink from a state/federal licensed or run store. Half the fatal car accidents are due to alcohol yet the stores stay open. Opioid problem is real and some doctors are the cause Research from the University of Pennsylvania shows that over-prescribing of even small amounts of opioids for minor injuries can increase risk of long-term use.
Researchers point to the significant variation in opioid prescribing habits by doctors for minor injuries such as sprained ankles as a major contributor to the current opioid epidemic in the United States. Using private insurance claims data from more than 53,000 patients visiting U.S. emergency rooms for an ankle sprain between 2011 and 2012, researchers found 7 percent of patients received a prescription for an opioid pain medication. Researchers found there was significant variation across states, with only 1.6 percent of patients receiving prescriptions for opioids in Delaware compared to 16 percent in Mississippi. There's no way to argue with someone who, genuinely, has no grasp of reality. I guess the hundreds of alcoholics I've admitted to the hospital were a figment of my imagination, not to mention all the ones I've seen as an outpatient.
Alcohol isn't a problem because the state makes money from it.
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Posted: 8/6/2017 9:28:34 AM EDT
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Try me, one of my favorite undergrad courses was psychopharmacology. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WTF? There's no way to argue with someone who, genuinely, has no grasp of reality.
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Posted: 8/6/2017 9:41:11 AM EDT
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Unfortunately too many doctors have used terrible judgement in prescribing pain meds for years, then it went to "ridiculous clampdown" Meanwhile now we have drug addicts driving ten hours round trip to a "clinic" where they can get "legal" drug substitutes. I'm guessing there's a reason why these people aren't going to local doctors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That involves too much freedom and not enough bureaucracy. Meanwhile now we have drug addicts driving ten hours round trip to a "clinic" where they can get "legal" drug substitutes. I'm guessing there's a reason why these people aren't going to local doctors. Fun fact: Dr. Kermit Gosnell, the abortion doctor in Philly, wasn't investigated because of the post-birth murder allegations, but because he was, you guessed it, running a pill mill. It was during the bust that they found all the other stuff. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 9:43:12 AM EDT
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Alcohol is not addictive like opioids. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 9:49:48 AM EDT
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The doctors that run/ran pill mills are almost always the bottom of the barrel. I'm all for permanently yanking their medical license. Fun fact: Dr. Kermit Gosnell, the abortion doctor in Philly, wasn't investigated because of the post-birth murder allegations, but because he was, you guessed it, running a pill mill. It was during the bust that they found all the other stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That involves too much freedom and not enough bureaucracy. Meanwhile now we have drug addicts driving ten hours round trip to a "clinic" where they can get "legal" drug substitutes. I'm guessing there's a reason why these people aren't going to local doctors. Fun fact: Dr. Kermit Gosnell, the abortion doctor in Philly, wasn't investigated because of the post-birth murder allegations, but because he was, you guessed it, running a pill mill. It was during the bust that they found all the other stuff. Wait just a fucking minute. You mean to tell me that we can punish wrongdoers for their actions without blanket policies that fuck everyone and not only fail to accomplish stated goals but actually make new and improved problems? You mean the states and markets already have mechanisms for that? Wholly shit. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 9:51:47 AM EDT
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There's a new thing called the ignore function. Not sure if you've heard about it before. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WTF? There's no way to argue with someone who, genuinely, has no grasp of reality. You've consistently proven you aren't worth the conversation it would take to prove your "theories" wrong. You're the kind of poster that makes me sad. It hurts my heart to think that there's people walking this world who really believe the kinds of shit you talk about, openly. I'm sorry that you have to endure living in your own head and hearing those thoughts all day. I just wish you could refrain from making us hear them, too. Besides, if I ignored the idiots who weren't worth debating, who would I make fun of? |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 10:01:45 AM EDT
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+1 I guess the hundreds of alcoholics I've admitted to the hospital were a figment of my imagination, not to mention all the ones I've seen as an outpatient.
Alcohol isn't a problem because the state makes money from it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You do realize that all alcoholics bought their first drink from a state/federal licensed or run store. Half the fatal car accidents are due to alcohol yet the stores stay open. Opioid problem is real and some doctors are the cause Research from the University of Pennsylvania shows that over-prescribing of even small amounts of opioids for minor injuries can increase risk of long-term use.
Researchers point to the significant variation in opioid prescribing habits by doctors for minor injuries such as sprained ankles as a major contributor to the current opioid epidemic in the United States. Using private insurance claims data from more than 53,000 patients visiting U.S. emergency rooms for an ankle sprain between 2011 and 2012, researchers found 7 percent of patients received a prescription for an opioid pain medication. Researchers found there was significant variation across states, with only 1.6 percent of patients receiving prescriptions for opioids in Delaware compared to 16 percent in Mississippi. There's no way to argue with someone who, genuinely, has no grasp of reality. I guess the hundreds of alcoholics I've admitted to the hospital were a figment of my imagination, not to mention all the ones I've seen as an outpatient.
Alcohol isn't a problem because the state makes money from it. Not some bull shit "shakes and throwing up" either. I've had petite mal seizures from genuine withdrawal. But, hey, you know, it's not addictive .... not like opiates. (which, is actually true, opiate withdrawal won't FUCKING KILL YOU like EtOH will) |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 12:15:16 PM EDT
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We could shit can EMTALA..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I vote increase by 200% and hand it out like candy.....let Darwin sort this shit out Democrats: "Why do you hate children? Think of the children! Think of the innocent babies that will die!"
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Posted: 8/6/2017 12:31:33 PM EDT
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Depends on which situation they're trying to help -- we may think them idiots but perhaps they are geniuses. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 12:32:58 PM EDT
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And the cartels will get to sell 20% more heroin. Genius. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 12:34:22 PM EDT
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this opioid "epidemic" is weird. in the past we used to run a good mix of pill vs street drug issues in ems and rescue. In the last 3 years i have run 1 pill related call. our "drug calls" are up massively the last few years and 90% of it is heroin or heroin mixed drugs sold on the street. these junkies didn't go from a pain management mindset to heroine. they went from a desire to get high to a bigger desire to get high. pills don't do it for them. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 12:37:12 PM EDT
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From your lips to God's ears. Democrats: "Why do you hate children? Think of the children! Think of the innocent babies they will die!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I vote increase by 200% and hand it out like candy.....let Darwin sort this shit out Democrats: "Why do you hate children? Think of the children! Think of the innocent babies they will die!" |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 10:58:59 PM EDT
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this opioid "epidemic" is weird. in the past we used to run a good mix of pill vs street drug issues in ems and rescue. In the last 3 years i have run 1 pill related call. our "drug calls" are up massively the last few years and 90% of it is heroin or heroin mixed drugs sold on the street. these junkies didn't go from a pain management mindset to heroine. they went from a desire to get high to a bigger desire to get high. pills don't do it for them. Now taking away painkillers from people who are already addicted to them, then yeah, there isn't much alternative in that class of drugs than to seek out heroin. But it's not always the case while they are still available on the street. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 5:13:34 AM EDT
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I would ask for a refund. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/7/2017 5:32:45 AM EDT
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Same here. Any time I get some prescribed, I try to ration them so that if something happened to me in the future and I actually NEED one that I have one. Saved me a couple times when I had migraines. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't get allure of opioids. The few times they have been prescribed to me I have always had leftovers. I say let the dopers buy them cause they are going to anyway. Legalize weed also.
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Posted: 8/11/2017 11:53:00 PM EDT
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As a prescriber I have mixed emotions for sure
But how do I sort out the 10% w true pain versus the 90% with arthritis? They always have 10/10 pain |
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Posted: 8/12/2017 2:18:11 AM EDT
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Completely predictable. Rescheduled Hydrocodone, put the fear of losing their license into docs, and they cut back prescribing. What happens? People dependent on their scrip suddenly need another source. Street drugs. I predicted this when they rescheduled Vicodin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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this opioid "epidemic" is weird. in the past we used to run a good mix of pill vs street drug issues in ems and rescue. In the last 3 years i have run 1 pill related call. our "drug calls" are up massively the last few years and 90% of it is heroin or heroin mixed drugs sold on the street. these junkies didn't go from a pain management mindset to heroine. they went from a desire to get high to a bigger desire to get high. pills don't do it for them. |
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Posted: 8/12/2017 2:59:38 AM EDT
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bad news for junkies, they'll have to do with 20% less |
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Posted: 8/12/2017 10:27:23 PM EDT
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Wait. Wait just a fucking minute. You mean to tell me that we can punish wrongdoers for their actions without blanket policies that fuck everyone and not only fail to accomplish stated goals but actually make new and improved problems? You mean the states and markets already have mechanisms for that? Wholly shit. I know, it's a crazy idea. 
Imagine putting people in prison who commit crimes with guns, instead of banning certain guns and magazine capacities.
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