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Originally Posted By Freakinout: Lawyers have doctorates in jury, do we call them doctors? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Freakinout: Originally Posted By DogtownTom: Originally Posted By Freakinout: Doesn't mean she's a doctor Yeah it does. "Doctor" is an earned academic degree in pretty much any field of study. If you think the only "doctors" are physicians you need to get out more. Lawyers have doctorates in jury, do we call them doctors? You could. You could also call me Master. Seriously, the "Jill Biden isn't a Dr.!!!" bit is stupid. It has been common usage in this country for over a century to refer to those in education, sciences, religion and the arts by "Doctor" if they hold that degree. My apologies for the thread derail OP. |
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Not trying to be a hall monitor, just wondering if this is the correct thread for the Doctor, Doctor arguments?
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What a fucking joke. It's a joke that bull shit like this doesn't just get thrown out
Clown fucking world. |
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Originally Posted By Freakinout: Doesn't mean she's a doctor View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Freakinout: Originally Posted By DogtownTom: Originally Posted By Kuraki: Humble guy, he could have made himself a Doctor like Jill Jill Biden does hold an earned Doctorate. Doesn't mean she's a doctor LOL. If only we had dictionaries that told us what words mean! But let's get back to supporting ADCO and this silly lawsuit. |
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Originally Posted By DogtownTom: You could. You could also call me Master. Seriously, the "Jill Biden isn't a Dr.!!!" bit is stupid. It has been common usage in this country for over a century to refer to those in education, sciences, religion and the arts by "Doctor" if they hold that degree. My apologies for the thread derail OP. View Quote Professionally, yes. Personally, not so much. Especially the Erectile Disfunction Doctorate, which is used only in educational settings. When the only reason somebody is talking to you is that you married a famous person, a huffy "Call me Doctor" is not an attractive look. |
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I am still stunned about the whole rexkwondo self degreed delusional motherfucker.
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GD is like putting on crampons and walking through a room full of puppies.
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The order the Settlement meeting was posted this week! I wish I was allowed to write the settlement statement!
1. ATTENDANCE OF LEAD, TRIAL COUNSEL IS REQUIRED. Counsel is required to be personally present and have full settlement authority. When the settlement decision will be made in whole or part by an insurer, the insurer shall have a representative present in Court at the time of the settlement conference with full and complete authority to make settlement decisions. A corporate party shall have a representative present in Court at the time of the settlement conference with full and complete authority to bind the company. A governmental entity shall have a representative present in Court at the time of the settlement conference authorized to act on its behalf. Failure to produce the appropriate person(s) at the conference may result in an award of costs and attorney fees incurred by the other parties in connection with the conference and/or other sanctions against the noncomplying party and/or counsel. At least three (3) court days prior to the conference, each party shall submit a confidential statement to the Court. The settlement statement shall not become a part of the file of the case, but shall be for the exclusive use of the Judge in preparing for the settlement conference. The settlement statement shall contain a specific recitation of the facts, an analysis of the law, a discussion of the strengths and weaknesses of the case, the parties' position on settlement, including the latest settlement proposal, and a report on settlement efforts to date. If not already a part of the court file, copies of any critical agreements, business records, photographs or other documents or exhibits shall be with the settlement statement. The statement should not be lengthy, but should contain enough information to be useful to the Judge in analyzing the factual and legal issues in the case. The parties are encouraged to be candid in their statements. 3. STATEMENTS INADMISSIBLE. Statements made by an party during the settlement conference are not to be used in discovery and will not be admissible at trial. Parties are encouraged to be frank and open in their discussions. The Court expects the participants to address each other with courtesy and respect. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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So they are going to settle,?
Damn I know, at thise piont they are going to settle for pennies, as the other legal team will take a $1 settlement with a confidential clausw that the value can't be made pubic, rather than a loss - but damnit, I wanted to see a full loss on this one. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: So they are going to settle,? Damn I know, at thise piont they are going to settle for pennies, as the other legal team will take a $1 settlement with a confidential clausw that the value can't be made pubic, rather than a loss - but damnit, I wanted to see a full loss on this one. View Quote This just a meeting to inform the judge we are not settling, and why we are not offering anything. After this the Judge can plan ahead and know she has to make room on her docket for this nonsense. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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good luck. you are good people that don't deserve the BS.
hopefully once you win you can turn the table on them, like chris rock said that shit ain't right. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: The Court expects the participants to address each other with courtesy and respect. View Quote So, your attorney has to figure out how to say "FOAD we ain't paying a dime because your client should profit off of someone who committed a crime" in a courteous and respectful manner. That's why he gets paid the big bucks. |
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Originally Posted By Bubbles: So, your attorney has to figure out how to say "FOAD we ain't paying a dime because your client should profit off of someone who committed a crime" in a courteous and respectful manner. That's why he gets paid the big bucks. View Quote I would just like to stand up and say: Allison and Jerry, via text messages, conspired to commit a felony straw purchase; Jerry agrees to buy a firearm for a prohibited person. Jerry bought a .22 revolver for target shooting from ADCO. This type of firearm is the most common and most popular choice for a new shooter who wants to “shoot targets,” as Jerry said is his deposition and interview with Albright. Jerry filled out the 4473 background check form as the buyer of the handgun. Jerry supplied his Ohio Driver’s license as the required valid government ID. In section A of the 4473, Jerry misrepresents his address. Jerry moved from the address on his driver’s license on December, 2 2019. •On question 11(a) of the 4473, Jerry knowingly and admittedly lied in an effort to deceive Mr. Thompson when he answered “yes,” indicating he was the actual buyer of the gun. •On question 11(h) of the 4473, Jerry lied when he checked “no,” saying he was not subject to a restraining order. Detective Albright from Sylvania Township Police Dept. informs Mr. Thompson of ADCO Firearms that Allison used the gun Jerry purchased to kill herself. Mr. Thompson says he remembers them because of the strange dynamic (age difference) but further stated, “There were no indications they were attempting to make a straw purchase.” Jerry Zohn pleads guilty in federal court to Counts 1 of the Indictment and is convicted under 18:922(A)(6): It shall be unlawful for any person- in connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm…from a licensed dealer, to knowingly to make any false or fictitious oral or written statement or to furnish or exhibit any false, fictitious, or misrepresented identification, intended or likely to deceive … the dealer…with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale or other disposition of such firearm. Zohn was convicted of a crime, one element of which is knowingly lying to a firearms dealer, Mr. Thompson. The only physical evidence of the events of the firearm purchase by Zohn is the 4473, which was completed and signed by Zohn, and submitted to and approved by the FBI NICS echeck system. There were no other employees or witnesses in the store, and no video recording. Mr. Thompson has an established, documented history of reporting suspicious purchase attempts to local law enforcement. Mr. Thompson was never questioned by any law enforcement agency beyond the initial contact, and no one in law enforcement has ever suggested he broke any laws. Mr. Thompson’s deposition testimony is consistent with what he told Detective Albright about the events of July 2. Zohn’s testimony varies greatly between his deposition and interview with Detective Albright about the events of July 2. Zohn showed no remorse when being interviewed by Albright. When told he was brought in for questioning about Allison, who he hadn’t spoken to in a month, he never once did asked if she was OK. When Zohn was told his gun was used in the suicide, he said, “I should have kept the gun with me and been done with it.” Zohn told Det. Albright the receipt for the gun was in his car. Payment for the gun was made with cash. Unlike a credit card payment, there are no statements with the name of the purchaser or card holder, or when payment was made. The receipt offers no proof of who the payment came from. While Zohn claims Allison paid for the gun, Mr. Thompson stated in his deposition that Zohn handed him the cash. If it was Allison’s cash, there is no way Mr. Thompson could have known that. Further, there are no bank receipts or statements showing Allison withdrew any cash that day in the court record. When Albright asks Zohn, “Do you wanna guess what gun she used to do it,” Zohn replies, “The gun that I bought her.” Zohn once again clearly states he was the buyer of the gun. Zohn told Albright, “She actually wanted a bigger gun. I said no, what do you need a bigger gun for to shoot at targets?” Zohn was in charge of the decision-making when he purchased the .22 revolver for target shooting. The plaintiff’s only witness is a convicted felon and an adjudicated liar, who lied under oath in his deposition in this matter several times. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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There is a lot to learn from this whole fiasco but one thing I'm not sure anyone has mentioned yet, but is very important: Don't park right in front of Steve's shop door because it's not a parking spot and it will annoy Steve enough to remember you clearly should he ever be asked about you in a deposition 🤣
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Settlement offer: One (1) twenty-four (24) ounce by net weight bag of dicks, which must be consumed at time of settlement.
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Bro, I stayed in the Marines for 26 years and been to cola warrior like 10 times, I'm all about bad decisions. -HDLS
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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The settlement meeting with the Judge was changed by the Judge at the last minute into a civil mediation meeting with a magistrate. Bad guys said they want $500k. Our response was that we are not willing to offer 5 cents. Insurance Adjuster was present and fully supportive of the decision. Trial is Scheduled for May 21, 10AM.
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: The settlement meeting with the Judge was changed by the Judge at the last minute into a civil mediation meeting with a magistrate. Bad guys said they want $500k. Our response was that we are not willing to offer 5 cents. Insurance Adjuster was present and fully supportive of the decision. Trial is Scheduled for May 21, 10AM. View Quote In case I missed it, trial by Judge or are you going jury trial? |
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Originally Posted By Morgan321: Been following this for a while and this is the best news I've read. I hope there is some way to countersue or otherwise recover expenses for you and the insurance company. View Quote Pretty big endorsement when insurance says "We offer $0 or we go to trial." |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: The settlement meeting with the Judge was changed by the Judge at the last minute into a civil mediation meeting with a magistrate. Bad guys said they want $500k. Our response was that we are not willing to offer 5 cents. Insurance Adjuster was present and fully supportive of the decision. Trial is Scheduled for May 21, 10AM. View Quote I entreat the relevant God or Gods that you crush your opponents, drive them before you, and hear the lamentation of their women. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: The settlement meeting with the Judge was changed by the Judge at the last minute into a civil mediation meeting with a magistrate. Bad guys said they want $500k. Our response was that we are not willing to offer 5 cents. Insurance Adjuster was present and fully supportive of the decision. Trial is Scheduled for May 21, 10AM. View Quote Thank you for being willing to stand up and not just do the easy thing. |
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Originally Posted By stevelish: Pretty big endorsement when insurance says "We offer $0 or we go to trial." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stevelish: Originally Posted By Morgan321: Been following this for a while and this is the best news I've read. I hope there is some way to countersue or otherwise recover expenses for you and the insurance company. Pretty big endorsement when insurance says "We offer $0 or we go to trial." Indeed |
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Carry it, shoot it. (repeat forever)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: The settlement meeting with the Judge was changed by the Judge at the last minute into a civil mediation meeting with a magistrate. Bad guys said they want $500k. Our response was that we are not willing to offer 5 cents. Insurance Adjuster was present and fully supportive of the decision. Trial is Scheduled for May 21, 10AM. View Quote Good news so far. Hope jury selection goes well |
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Originally Posted By stevelish: Pretty big endorsement when insurance says "We offer $0 or we go to trial." View Quote Never say never. My sisters insurance company said the same thing until day 2 of the trial. Then settled for $75,000. Plaintiffs were suing for $750,000. Auto accident so definitely not the same scenario as here. Wish ADCO the best of luck and hope the ins company stands strong. |
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I wish ADCO best of luck in this Trial. I know they will need it not because of facts but because of bias and political shenanigans.
I only have used them once when I needed a pin and welded flash hider removed. They did an amazing job and had a fast turnaround. The reason I was made aware of them was a post where someone was trying to do this themselves and failed horribly at it. ADCO popped in very early and made the OP aware of their services. They are very active on the forums. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: I'm sure the corporate insurance lawyers looked at all the depositions, witnesses and evidence and said, "Fuck no, we're not setting. They have nothing." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By stevelish: Pretty big endorsement when insurance says "We offer $0 or we go to trial." I'm sure the corporate insurance lawyers looked at all the depositions, witnesses and evidence and said, "Fuck no, we're not setting. They have nothing." Agreed They have nothing and for insurance to offer nothing to settle bodes well in my non expert opinion |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: The settlement meeting with the Judge was changed by the Judge at the last minute into a civil mediation meeting with a magistrate. Bad guys said they want $500k. Our response was that we are not willing to offer 5 cents. Insurance Adjuster was present and fully supportive of the decision. Trial is Scheduled for May 21, 10AM. View Quote If this was just, they would be offering to pay your legal expenses and your personal and company time and expense. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: The settlement meeting with the Judge was changed by the Judge at the last minute into a civil mediation meeting with a magistrate. Bad guys said they want $500k. Our response was that we are not willing to offer 5 cents. Insurance Adjuster was present and fully supportive of the decision. Trial is Scheduled for May 21, 10AM. View Quote Long term this decision makes financial sense for the insurer. It's unfortunate but thousands of people do kill themselves every year and not just by firearm. If insurers suddenly had to pay wrongful death claims for any merchant who sold the means by which the person took his or her own life, they would go bankrupt quickly - never mind the criminal acts involved in getting to that point. |
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@bigbore did you at least offer them the aforementioned bag of dicks at settlement talks?
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Originally Posted By voodochild: @bigbore did you at least offer them the aforementioned bag of dicks at settlement talks? View Quote I never saw them. I was in a room with the claims adjuster. Plaintiffs were in a different room. The attorneys and mediator were in another room. None of what was said today is admissible, so I may well have offered a bag of dicks given the opportunity to sit across from them - which is probably why the put the parties in separate rooms. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: The settlement meeting with the Judge was changed by the Judge at the last minute into a civil mediation meeting with a magistrate. Bad guys said they want $500k. Our response was that we are not willing to offer 5 cents. Insurance Adjuster was present and fully supportive of the decision. Trial is Scheduled for May 21, 10AM. View Quote I'm thinking the insurance industry is waking up to the threat of bogus lawsuits and have made the right decision to try them instead of settling. Offering a settlement will only encourage the bastards. Jury selection is important, they are going to try to disqualify anyone who owns a firearm. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: I never saw them. I was in a room with the claims adjuster. Plaintiffs were in a different room. The attorneys and mediator were in another room. None of what was said today is admissible, so I may well have offered a bag of dicks given the opportunity to sit across from them - which is probably why the put the parties in separate rooms. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By voodochild: @bigbore did you at least offer them the aforementioned bag of dicks at settlement talks? I never saw them. I was in a room with the claims adjuster. Plaintiffs were in a different room. The attorneys and mediator were in another room. None of what was said today is admissible, so I may well have offered a bag of dicks given the opportunity to sit across from them - which is probably why the put the parties in separate rooms. Shoulda offered a bag of dicks and them paying all your legal expenses up to this point. |
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So sorry that ADCO is going through this. But glad to see they are fighting the good fight. Hoping that there is video of Rexkwando’s testimony. That’ll be quite entertaining.
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Originally Posted By cap6888: So sorry that ADCO is going through this. But glad to see they are fighting the good fight. Hoping that there is video of Rexkwando’s testimony. That’ll be quite entertaining. View Quote Rexkwando will not be testifying. I'm going to make the call, even if the judge doesn't exclude him, they will not put him on stand. They have to know he's a joke. I can't believe there will be a trial in May. I think they are going to find a way out. They wanted a settlement, they dont want a trial. They can not win, their case is so weak. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Being ignorant of legal procedures, at what point does the opposing counsel realize the theory of “diminishing returns” and say “nevermind, my bad. Sorry about that”?
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Originally Posted By bajagringo: Being ignorant of legal procedures, at what point does the opposing counsel realize the theory of “diminishing returns” and say “nevermind, my bad. Sorry about that”? View Quote I think that’s a discussion between the attorney and the client. Are the lawyers obligated to go to trial if their clients want a trial? Can the lawyers fire their clients? Here is their contract - Here |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Can the lawyers fire their clients? View Quote Yes, the attorney can withdraw because the client lies to the attorney, or because the client isn't paying the attorney, or because the attorney has health issues and can no longer effectively represent the client. I don't see any of those changing between now and May. |
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Once again, ignorant. Can the opposing attorney just quit when he sees no future money in it?
Are there any repercussions if he does? |
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Originally Posted By Lost-Drive-In: If this was just, they would be offering to pay your legal expenses and your personal and company time and expense. View Quote I would want to sue the brady campaign and the family for pursuing it even after they closed her case.... but yet held strong they had a case. Normally I would kinda give the family a pass but in this case the Mom closed the daughters estate and then when they realized the fubar went back to the judge and said that is not what we meant even though she signed the forms. The other factor is based on family history these people were fuck ups over and over again with the cops called all the time. I thought there were some things brought up early about the father molesting the daughter that could have created her mental state but I could be thinking of some other case. I will say at this point it didn't happen until proven otherwise. |
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RIP CeCe and FCSD you will be missed
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Originally Posted By Bubbles: Yes, the attorney can withdraw because the client lies to the attorney, or because the client isn't paying the attorney, or because the attorney has health issues and can no longer effectively represent the client. I don't see any of those changing between now and May. View Quote How does this work in a personal injury case which I assume this is, where the lawyer gets a part of the settlement but not paid in advance. In the document he linked to the plaintiffs contract it said the lawyers will be constantly monitoring the case and its viability for lack of a better term in the last paragraph on the first page. It starts out about appeals but I would assume this is for the entire case and not just any appeal or possibility of one. |
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RIP CeCe and FCSD you will be missed
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Originally Posted By bajagringo: Once again, ignorant. Can the opposing attorney just quit when he sees no future money in it? Are there any repercussions if he does? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bajagringo: Once again, ignorant. Can the opposing attorney just quit when he sees no future money in it? Are there any repercussions if he does? It varies, I suspect, by state. In Florida: A lawyer may withdraw from representation in some circumstances. The lawyer has the option to withdraw if it can be accomplished without material adverse effect on the client's interests. The lawyer also may withdraw where the client insists on taking action that the lawyer considers repugnant, imprudent, or with which the lawyer has a fundamental disagreement. A lawyer may withdraw if the client refuses to abide by the terms of an agreement relating to the representation, such as an agreement concerning fees or court costs or an agreement limiting the objectives of the representation. Certain causes for terminating representation must be approved by the Court. |
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