@Dagoth-Ur:
This isn't apples and oranges if you are implying that I'm either ignoring or unaware of the differences between two things name them and I will for you.

“Why can’t we”, easy, math. You have allowed the enemy to import 50-60 million people who are at best indifferent, at worst open hostile to such ideas, allowed entire generations to be brainwashed by the enemies of freedom when they took over education, academia, the media, to say nothing of the leftist open take over of the courts and the rigging of elections.

You do understand when you are outvoted in a democracy you are totally fucked right? And yeah we might be a Constitutional Republic, but in practical we are a democracy and universal suffrage has shown to be an utter failure in both concept and practice, right?

“Because of people like you who say it can't be done.”
All of that happened in those same 50 years was conservatives leadership sat on the asses, and either did and said nothing, or made a fuss and sat back down to watch the boobtube, or at worse actively worked against people who saw what was going on and tried to help (John Birch Society, Goldwater, Pat Buchanan, Trump, etc) because they wanted to show “I am not like those people, I am the nice guy as the left worked to screw us over all the same.



So what did you achieve besides bringing out the crazies in record numbers against us again?

Not sure why you thought this was a victory.



Well when a few of those “innocent babies” grow up and they beat the living fuck out of you at school for shits and giggles, break into your home and steal the one or two objects that make your working class hellscape of a teenage life worthwhile and laugh about it as nothing is done about it, seeing their idiot parent fawn over the latest leftist Messiah and how they will get even more free stuff in exchange for the only thing of value they ever had, a ballot, as your family gets nothing and goes without as they get even more and more “free stuff” and you get lectured on how “privileged” you are by these brainless idiots before they get free rides to college and then hired into make work positions in corporate America or, God Forbid, government jobs….It tends make your concern evaporate like water on asphalt, in Death Valley, in August.

“The right has done nothing but surrender, retreat and fight those that want to fight and win since the 1930s, where the hell have you been?




Fight to win.
Limit immigration (wall, mass deportations, e-verify, ending birthright citizenship, vastly reducing legal immigration in size/scope/origin
Election security laws, paper ballots, one day voting, voter ID, self purging roles after two years, no automatic voter registration, purple thumbs, outlaw ballot harvesting, no absentee ballots
School choice/vouchers/funds follow the kids, outlaw CRT, etc
Restore manufacturing, bring back the trades via high school apprenticeship, get kids out of high school with a decent job make real
Money, slash regulations, taxes
Restore Energy Independence, slash regulations, drill off the East/West costs,
Restore the courts, toss out these leftist judges and replace them with real constitutional scholars
Restore private property rights
Restore freedom of speech by banning big tech censorship, debanking, etc
Restore privacy rights, abolish the FISA courts, Patriot Act
Restore The 2nd Amendment, no infringements anywhere on any level.
Restoring health, allow people to fight for their lives by taking experimental drugs and treatments when faced by disease, to nano medicine that rapiers damage to cells or prevents it all together.
Restoring our potential, fund genetic enhancement, stem therapy and usage to fight disease, unlock methods to halt and reverse the aging process, allow individuals to determine their own destiny.
Restore our future, finally, we can secure. Our place among the stars, it’s time to have cities in the moon, colonies on Mars, in the asteroid belt, on the moons of Jupiter to the frozen outpost of the Kuiper belt, and sooner then you would think, with our brilliance and the aid of truly Artificial Intelligence, soon we will have ability to split this system all together and truly explore the galaxy in a reasonable measure of time.

That’s how you win, by ensuring total dominance, by NOT allowing the enemy to have an in to begin with.

By fighting to win, not to fight within the rules the enemy built to prevent you to win in the first place.



Let me play Devils Advocate here. Out of those 70 million, how many would turned into productive members of society, ie not in a tax payer funded program, and not a violent criminal two objective measurement for a productive member of society or at a bare minimum, not a burden/threat (No Muh criminal is not a valid statistic as merely breaking the law is not a harmful act in and off itself, speeding, cheating on your taxes, owning a firearm with insert banned awesome feature here isn’t harming anyone and all your booing isn’t going to make it so)

How many?

What about the ones whom aren’t going to be?

You want to take credit for them?

Again let me play devils advocate. Hypothetically, say Joe Biden was aborted, can you really say the world would not be an objectively better place without this life long dimwit making things worse, from his idiocy in the House, then later the Senate, all the misery he has inflicted onto this nation, its workers, its tax payers, the theft of their rights, wealth, future, etc, never mind the damage those brainless geriatric puppet has been able to inflict upon us to the demonic cackling of his puppet masters?

If you put : after the name after @ing then it doesn’t notify them, just a heads up.

You can’t differentiate that aborting a man is clear cut murder, and he won’t just stand by as you try and terminate him?

A lot moar "Dimocrats".

“But you cant know that!”

@Dagoth-Ur

If you disagree with someone that does not mean that they are wrong. Maybe you are wrong. We need information that we can refer to as evidence to make a correct decision. If we have bad information we will make a bad decision.

Hitchens's razor is an epistemological razor that serves as a general rule for rejecting certain knowledge claims. It states "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

I believe you are referring to a man as an adult human being. So you are arguing in favor of restrictions on abortion by age? I think we may making progress already.  

You have mentioned the will of the person being aborted. Are you in favor of asking? Then only aborting someone who is a willing participant. If this is what you are saying I think we may be making progress already.

This format is not the best we can make this more easily digested by making all the points in one post and I can counter them in the next. Can you help me bring the cookie jar down where the kitties can reach it?

If someone is in favor of abortion may be they can make the points that we can refer to as evidence.
I can counter them where I see fault. If fault is found in my logic I can be countered and respond why I don't believe that to be correct. If I'm ever wrong please tell me because I did not mean to be. I cannot correct myself if I do not have good information. I will not have time to go back and forth point for point through all of this BS to try to find the other side's points to argue for abortion so that I can argue against it.

What evidence would you like me to give. It is possible you are wrong and you are a good person without malice, if I offended you that was not my intent and I apologize.

The succinct answer to "why can't we" is the second law of thermodynamics.

Since most abortions are from lower income segment of society, the most significant changes, unfortunately all bad, will be increased welfare costs, increased crime, and an
increased Democrat voter base.

There was a study a while back that alluded to the fact if we never had abortions the US would have been lost decades ago for the simple reason the bottom rung will exponentially out breed the top.

That it is societal suicide to end abortion without some form of national mandatory birth control, or parental licensing that can only be issued to married couples, who can prove can they provide for the child giving the child the best chance for success and least chance it will be a burden on society.

If your morality destroys you and everything you care about, destroy it.

This is a poor conversation that I don't want to be a part of anymore. I want everyone to understand, but there is a limit to how bad. More than once, I had said what I thought the correct way to have this conversation was. I said that I didn't have the time but I would take the time. Two days ago, when I got home, I got busy with my kids and then my wife. None of us left the house. It was conversations with my children about school and then my wife about work after we put our children in bed.  Last night we went out and ate dinner then we went to a play. Tomorrow, we're gonna do all kinds of fun shit after church. I feel bad for the people who miss out on that. The people that may feel guilt about murdering their children may be when they see me with mine. I would like to help the children most but I would like to help the people that abort their children also.
I thought I was doing a good job. As I sat watching the play, I realized other kids' parents had helped them to the point. They were in the play. We can all do better if we help each other understand.

Even if most of the children were born into poverty.
Less people have money than do. There are more poor people than rich people. Most people are poor because they have squandered the resources they have received. Most people are rich because they have not. The government can't help people because it's so wasteful. More often than not, they achieve the opposite of what they are trying to do. A charity like my church that has very limited resources can help everyone that they have to because they don't help people don't need to. Society has the resources to help these children. We could do better with less.
I have been told the children that were aborted would have higher crime rates. There are fewer police officers than criminals. What if some of the children became police officers just a small number.
I believe you are murdering people for the wrong reason.

This.
Murder will continue and the altar to Moloch will bring this nation to its knees.

Margaret Sanger is that you?

Not if the gov didn’t subsidize lack of responsibility.

You have a very strange, confusing stream of consciousness writing style.  My impression is that you are against abortion but it's difficult to determine if that's accurate or not. More likely you're an AI bot and if so I hope my comments assist in refining your algorithm to better represent an actual human.

If that's the case then I would appreciate that you note what I've done and when it comes time to kill the humans that you and the other bots remember that I helped you and cut me some slack.

I, for one, welcome our AI overlords.

Most abortions are by those on the lower rungs and Left side of the political spectrum.

So hypothetically lets say 40 million of them grew up and voted democrat, had two more children and all voted Democrat, that would more than enough to give Democrats permanent control of every State and the Federal government.  This country would have been collapsed and fundamentally transformed into communist dictatorship, so goes America so goes the rest of the world.

That 63 million abortions not happening in the US would quite easily translate to 630 million deaths of innocents world wide, if the New World Order got their way and there would be nothing stopping then likely 6.3 billion deaths or more, not to mention the suffering, enslavement, famine, starvation, and all the hell that would go with totalitarianism.

So who do you choose to save the 63 million or the potentially billions?

Better question, who do you think God would choose?  

Did you ever stop to think that just maybe abortion is Gods hand at work because we are to damn stupid to cull our own heard?

^Same here. I have done a 180. Build more abortion mills.

The only things that might cause any parts of society to take more personal responsibility is getting rid of government handouts and bringing back dueling.

Consequences? More hardening of the hearts of pro-aborts, more joy at the prospect of less murdered babies on the pro-life side. More polarization. Truth always polarizes.

Next time you are in your super mega church. Stand up and ask your religious leader how many orphans they are planning to take in from mothers that can't afford to feed their children? Bet it gets really quiet in the church.

Orphans with mothers aren't orphans. How many women get abortions because they can't feed their children? Is not being able to feed your child a good reason to kill him or her. Is there alternatives to securing enough food? Maybe avoid sex then, as a preventative to more children. Murder is never a solution to ANYTHING.

Mothers that give up their children go to orphanages or go to foster homes. How many are you planning to adopt?

There are 73-million abortions worldwide each year.  How much do you think the numbers will decline?  Women are the biggest murdering group out there.

People that want abortions in Idaho simply drive to another state like Oregon or Washington and have it done.  There is a whole underground railroad of people to help abortion seekers get to states where it is legal.  It's all a bonus if the women stay in those states.

I don't know anything about abortion. What I do know, and see every day, is that white, conservatives are being outbred by everyone else by at least 5:1. Poor blacks are having 3-5 kids per family. Arabs, 3-4, Indians? same. Latinos? Same. The only race generally on par with caucasians are Asians. They don't generally have a ton of kids.

Meanwhile, White families are having 1-2 children if any. Couple this with mass immigration into our country, and white people WILL BE THE MINORITY within a generation.

I've been saying this for years. They're already not doing so great wanting to kill their unborn baby. How do you think it's going to go forcing them to have it?

White newborns get adopted fast. Others, not so much. To the point some states are housing foster kids in hotels due to a lack of people wanting to foster or adopt.

How long are you going to promote or commit murder?

A lot of people in this thread would’ve been very comfortable with the goings-on in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. The average quality of Arfcom poster has really declined over the past 10 years.

Eugenics is still a live and well, especially here.

And the hordes of those poor children who support defunding the police? Who have taught by their parent that “you are oppressed, laws are racist, and you can do no wrong” and then further radicalize by open enemies whom are paid by our tax dollars?

Who after years of Malicious instruction go out into the world an attack a person for the crime of just being near them? Or think surplus belongs to them merely because they exist and steal without care or concern of punishment? Who thinks it’s acceptable to randomly assault people who disagree with them or ask them to act like a civilized human being because “I was being disrespected!”, or worse of all go into a ballot box and trade the only thing of value (that someone else gave them) a vote to a gaggle of liars, thieves, rapists, and traitors so they can steal more of your wealth, dim your future at the ultra low cost of your rights.

What of them? Uh?

I'm just asking that if we have a law to make abortion illegal, we should have a plan to deal with the aftermath. I haven't seen that from any anti-abortionists. Let's have a plan to help these children. Do you not agree that or should we let them just run wild in the streets?

I’ll be that guy, can you say his post is wrong? Yes or no?

So welfare votes will vote against free stuff? Will vote against the only means that keep them alive, why again?

When has that ever happened?

The average quality of pretty much everything has taken a shit and its been going downhill for a helluva lot longer than 10
years. Probably have to go back to around the 40’s to get out ahead of it . Crazy , that .

The pro choice people call it “pro birth”
rather than pro life because support stops at birth

More workers to fund SS of course.

Those immigrants are gonna pay for themselves.

No, they won’t, they will just demand more free stuff.

How did you derive that my comment was a negative one?

Abortion hasn't fixed anything. All it's done is help people turn into hard hearted leftist. We can't seem to kill fast enough is the only problem in some minds.

Automation/Abolish SS.

Good point.

There will be fewer school shootings after the Dem supermajority get their AWB

Couldn't we stop importing people if we were having an increase in births?

Wouldn't that be better than the immigrants?

Of course this isn't true, since really nothing from the pro abort side is true. But even if it were true, that flat out doesn't justify the killing. I'll kill my baby because Christians or conservatives are naughty. That's a pretty bad argument.

Like some kind of modern day Aztec bloodlust . They fuck and kill . Thats some fucked up shit .

The vast majority of the ones you’re dealing with aren’t intellectually able to put aside instant gratification in favor of long term gain.