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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:01:27 AM EDT
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I am caught up to the current episode #8 and I have a question. Were they really lady bosses in that era? I get the feeling women were pretty much treated like property back then and then all the sudden a lady boss pops up. Is that realistic for that time frame or is that just modern wokeness infecting every thing good?
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:07:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLookingGlass: I am caught up to the current episode #8 and I have a question. Were they really lady bosses in that era? I get the feeling women were pretty much treated like property back then and then all the sudden a lady boss pops up. Is that realistic for that time frame or is that just modern wokeness infecting every thing good? It's aristocracy. Feudalism. Family name. Title. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:10:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fulcrum-5: I got a chuckle out of the attention to detail. The lords all sit cross-legged, rather than in stereotypical "samurai seiza". Seiza was an Edo-period traditional made up so it would be more difficult for courtiers to lunge at one another (or their superiors). Shogun is pre-Edo (literally, as we see Edo being built). you're right about anza/agoura being period-accurate, but i can tell you for a fact that it is much easier to generate explosive movements out of seiza than anza. think of seiza as a cocked hammer, with your legs tucked under you so that you can make immediate use of the most powerful muscles in your body. anza has no such positional energy. when tokugawa (toranaga's historical model) decided to tame the samurai, ogasawara ryu reigi became the basis for warrior-class etiquette. |
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AS, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:27:58 AM EDT
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Looks like things are about to get really spicey
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:23:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sirensong: you're right about anza/agoura being period-accurate, but i can tell you for a fact that it is much easier to generate explosive movements out of seiza than anza. think of seiza as a cocked hammer, with your legs tucked under you so that you can make immediate use of the most powerful muscles in your body. anza has no such positional energy. when tokugawa (toranaga's historical model) decided to tame the samurai, ogasawara ryu reigi became the basis for warrior-class etiquette. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sirensong: Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: I got a chuckle out of the attention to detail. The lords all sit cross-legged, rather than in stereotypical "samurai seiza". Seiza was an Edo-period traditional made up so it would be more difficult for courtiers to lunge at one another (or their superiors). Shogun is pre-Edo (literally, as we see Edo being built). you're right about anza/agoura being period-accurate, but i can tell you for a fact that it is much easier to generate explosive movements out of seiza than anza. think of seiza as a cocked hammer, with your legs tucked under you so that you can make immediate use of the most powerful muscles in your body. anza has no such positional energy. when tokugawa (toranaga's historical model) decided to tame the samurai, ogasawara ryu reigi became the basis for warrior-class etiquette. Ogasawara is still kicking around to this day. https://www.iccho-ogasawara-ryu.com/about-us Japanese version I do Kyudo and while we are not Ogasawara Ryu, we certainly look at the taihai movements from Ogasawara. Their control is insane. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 11:35:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZF-1: Ogasawara is still kicking around to this day. https://www.iccho-ogasawara-ryu.com/about-us Japanese version I do Kyudo and while we are not Ogasawara Ryu, we certainly look at the taihai movements from Ogasawara. Their control is insane. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZF-1: Originally Posted By sirensong: Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: I got a chuckle out of the attention to detail. The lords all sit cross-legged, rather than in stereotypical "samurai seiza". Seiza was an Edo-period traditional made up so it would be more difficult for courtiers to lunge at one another (or their superiors). Shogun is pre-Edo (literally, as we see Edo being built). you're right about anza/agoura being period-accurate, but i can tell you for a fact that it is much easier to generate explosive movements out of seiza than anza. think of seiza as a cocked hammer, with your legs tucked under you so that you can make immediate use of the most powerful muscles in your body. anza has no such positional energy. when tokugawa (toranaga's historical model) decided to tame the samurai, ogasawara ryu reigi became the basis for warrior-class etiquette. Ogasawara is still kicking around to this day. https://www.iccho-ogasawara-ryu.com/about-us Japanese version I do Kyudo and while we are not Ogasawara Ryu, we certainly look at the taihai movements from Ogasawara. Their control is insane. awesome - thank you for posting this! i might give their zoom reigi course a shot. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 8:38:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ZF-1]
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Posted: 4/16/2024 9:32:20 PM EDT
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Anjin Wick.
At least he got some Mariko before it all went down. |
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AS, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2024 10:25:52 PM EDT
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Holy shit, Mariko
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Posted: 4/16/2024 10:35:05 PM EDT
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Damn
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Posted: 4/16/2024 10:45:24 PM EDT
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Looks like one more episode. Is there going to be a second season?
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Posted: 4/16/2024 10:51:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlabamaFan64: Looks like one more episode. Is there going to be a second season? I believe just the one season as far as I can find out. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 11:03:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fushaw: Sama is not a male honorific. Its a gender-neutral honorific for people of higher status. San = Mr./Ms. Sama = Sir/Ma'am, your honor, your lord/ladyship, your grace, etc... None of the common Japanese honorifics are gender specific But if that's true, GD can't be all outraged about gIrL pOwEr and go watch something with titties and explosions |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 12:33:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2024 12:48:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex_F: But if that's true, GD can't be all outraged about gIrL pOwEr and go watch something with titties and explosions One less trivial thing for GD to not be outraged over I guess. This show has been very minimal on the GiRl PoWeR and has kept pretty well to the script of the book. Women aren't beating up 200lb men. Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 2:50:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2024 6:12:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlabamaFan64: Looks like one more episode. Is there going to be a second season? The producers said they were going to follow the book faithfully and that the story ends there. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2024 6:26:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fushaw: One less trivial thing for GD to not be outraged over I guess. This show has been very minimal on the GiRl PoWeR and has kept pretty well to the script of the book. Women aren't beating up 200lb men. Click To View Spoiler Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fushaw: Originally Posted By Alex_F: But if that's true, GD can't be all outraged about gIrL pOwEr and go watch something with titties and explosions One less trivial thing for GD to not be outraged over I guess. This show has been very minimal on the GiRl PoWeR and has kept pretty well to the script of the book. Women aren't beating up 200lb men. Click To View Spoiler Agreed. I understand the aversion to the "strong female" role. But they're playing this pretty straight as far as I can tell. Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 6:32:02 PM EDT
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I knew we were going to see shinobi. Wasn't as crazy as The Last Samurai, but I'll take it.
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Posted: 4/17/2024 8:22:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 549]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kihn: The producers said they were going to follow the book faithfully and that the story ends there. I read an interview with the actress that plays Mariko and it was said that due to the popularity of the series, a second season is maybe being considered. I hope not. I'd rather it end as a really good miniseries than something that declines and either get cancelled mid-season or needs to commit seppuku. Speaking of, was that what Mariko was going to do, or was she going to stab herself in the heart? |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 8:46:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kihn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 549: I read an interview with the actress that plays Mariko and it was said that due to the popularity of the series, a second season is maybe being considered. I hope not. I'd rather it end as a really good miniseries than something that declines and either get cancelled mid-season or needs to commit seppuku. Speaking of, was that what Mariko was going to do, or was she going to stab herself in the heart? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 549: Originally Posted By Kihn: The producers said they were going to follow the book faithfully and that the story ends there. I read an interview with the actress that plays Mariko and it was said that due to the popularity of the series, a second season is maybe being considered. I hope not. I'd rather it end as a really good miniseries than something that declines and either get cancelled mid-season or needs to commit seppuku. Speaking of, was that what Mariko was going to do, or was she going to stab herself in the heart? She played the hand she was dealt. Loyalty and duty. Hardcore. Click To View Spoiler The series is so well done. the recreation of the buildings and gardens. All of the formality and the wicked mind games buried in subtlety. High level strategizing within the formalities of the culture, deep abstraction of thought, and then such highly skilled killers. Killing each other. In a blink of an eye. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 8:59:31 PM EDT
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Newest episode was really good.
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Posted: 4/17/2024 9:38:06 PM EDT
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This has been the best series on TV in a while.
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Posted: 4/17/2024 9:39:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bulldog1967: Anjin Wick. At least he got some Mariko before it all went down. Mariko was quite the hottie...............curious to see the next episode, which I think is the series finale. Toranaga finally going to open that can of Crimson Sky on Ishido |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 9:39:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kihn: She played the hand she was dealt. Loyalty and duty. Hardcore. Click To View Spoiler The series is so well done. the recreation of the buildings and gardens. All of the formality and the wicked mind games buried in subtlety. High level strategizing within the formalities of the culture, deep abstraction of thought, and then such highly skilled killers. Killing each other. In a blink of an eye. I understand she was going to kill herself, but it didn't seem like she was holding the knife to slit her belly, but rather to stab herself in the chest. Just seeking clarification of the method. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 9:45:37 PM EDT
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Anjin had sleight of hand equipped
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Posted: 4/17/2024 9:46:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 549: I understand she was going to kill herself, but it didn't seem like she was holding the knife to slit her belly, but rather to stab herself in the chest. Just seeking clarification of the method. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 549: Originally Posted By Kihn: She played the hand she was dealt. Loyalty and duty. Hardcore. Click To View Spoiler The series is so well done. the recreation of the buildings and gardens. All of the formality and the wicked mind games buried in subtlety. High level strategizing within the formalities of the culture, deep abstraction of thought, and then such highly skilled killers. Killing each other. In a blink of an eye. I understand she was going to kill herself, but it didn't seem like she was holding the knife to slit her belly, but rather to stab herself in the chest. Just seeking clarification of the method. I think she was going to stab herself in the heart............ |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 9:46:27 PM EDT
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Not reading the thread. But I am.
Im enjoying it. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/17/2024 9:54:42 PM EDT
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Haven't seen the show or read the 6 pages of this thread. But the book was a let down
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Posted: 4/17/2024 9:55:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kihn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 549: I understand she was going to kill herself, but it didn't seem like she was holding the knife to slit her belly, but rather to stab herself in the chest. Just seeking clarification of the method. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 549: Originally Posted By Kihn: She played the hand she was dealt. Loyalty and duty. Hardcore. Click To View Spoiler The series is so well done. the recreation of the buildings and gardens. All of the formality and the wicked mind games buried in subtlety. High level strategizing within the formalities of the culture, deep abstraction of thought, and then such highly skilled killers. Killing each other. In a blink of an eye. I understand she was going to kill herself, but it didn't seem like she was holding the knife to slit her belly, but rather to stab herself in the chest. Just seeking clarification of the method. Yeah, Pretty sure that was the formality for women. In a ritual form. Seppuku kind of has an ambiguity to it IIRC. People doing it out of sense of duty. To display loyalty/ fealty. As a form of protest to influence their master to see the error of their ways. Others doing it so they don't become prisoners of war. Others ordered to do it as a punishment, possibly without the benefit of a second. It's a very formal technique for gut splitting. Some did it poorly and would take a while to die if not given the courtesy of a second. Like days. It's a display of courage in the face of death thingy. IIRC. Seeing their true mettle. When they spoke of Toranaga seconding for the defeated lord, when he was twelve years old, early in the series (2nd maybe), the lord asking Toronaga to second for him, that could have been as much about embarrassing Toranaga as anything. It was poor form to not get it right. A shameful thing. So last act of defiance. Or he could have sincerely wanted the lord whose army beat him in battle to take his head, out of honor, respect, envy, whatever. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 10:40:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bully13: Haven't seen the show or read the 6 pages of this thread. But the book was a let down  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 10:46:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax: This has been the best series on TV in a while. That's truth. I'm waiting till Friday to catch the last two episodes. It's been great so far. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 11:03:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 549: I understand she was going to kill herself, but it didn't seem like she was holding the knife to slit her belly, but rather to stab herself in the chest. Just seeking clarification of the method. technique was into the throat, and out to one side. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 11:15:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Newnimprovedusername]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 549: I understand she was going to kill herself, but it didn't seem like she was holding the knife to slit her belly, but rather to stab herself in the chest. Just seeking clarification of the method. IIRC she says something earlier along the lines of her heart being pierced. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 6:27:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DoverGunner]
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If anyone is interested Netflix has a show Age of Samurai/ Battle for Japan. It has 6 episodes. The sixth episode is about where Blackthorne would have showed up. It tells of the ruling and dying Daimyo setting up a council of regents to protect his son until he is of age.
Lord Toranaga in real life would be Tokugawa Ieyasu. Only if you are interested ETA The actor playing Blackthorne is from New Jersey and his first name is Cosmo I kid you not |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:32:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: macaho45]
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:27:27 PM EDT
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The show is killer. After next weeks finale I will watch it again in one sitting so that I may enjoy it again.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:31:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fushaw: One less trivial thing for GD to not be outraged over I guess. This show has been very minimal on the GiRl PoWeR and has kept pretty well to the script of the book. Women aren't beating up 200lb men. Click To View Spoiler I've enjoyed it immensely. It's well done and a breath of fresh air compared to the other crap I've been watching recently (although I admit I enjoy any 'samurai' movie, not because I'm part Asian, but because of the rigid culture and how alien it is to us - I couldn't do it). I totally agree, her fighting the men and then giving up was much more realistic. You could tell they were holding back a bit because the royalty was watching and she was royalty and no one wanted to be the guy to kill the high lady. Her guards attitude of "we die today!" was part of the culture that fascinates me since I couldn't do it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:14:18 AM EDT
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I really love the Yabushige character or more accurately the actor playing the role. He and the Blackthorn actor have the huh type mannerisms down well. Not sure what needs to be in spoiler or not since it has been a few days since the last episode. I'll throw it in spoiler just in case.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:20:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7: I really love the Yabushige character or more accurately the actor playing the role. He and the Blackthorn actor have the huh type mannerisms down well. Not sure what needs to be in spoiler or not since it has been a few days since the last episode. I'll throw it in spoiler just in case. Click To View Spoiler Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:41:09 PM EDT
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Women would generally commit seppuku by cutting their carotid.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 10:44:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:47:43 PM EDT
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To everyone saying this is a great series
You have fine taste Love this show and wish it could go on for a few seasons though I get wanting to stay close to the source Scenery, buildings, costumes, how the actors act like it's the 1600s Pure TV magic I hope more series like this come out in the near future going up to the end of the samurai |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:59:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ZF-1]
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 9:38:01 AM EDT
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it's finally over, sad ending but it was still nice. and fuji is so beautiful.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 10:59:53 AM EDT
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The part with Toronaga and Yubishige was amazing.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:02:29 AM EDT
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Cool ending.
The structure of the whole series was pretty brilliant. Western storytelling in the first half and Japanese in the second half. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:55:37 PM EDT
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Just finished the last episode
Not a fan of the ending Just didn't seem "right" in keeping with show Very anticlimactic |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:19:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By craig24680: Just finished the last episode Not a fan of the ending Just didn't seem "right" in keeping with show Very anticlimactic Ya I was quite disappointed in the ending. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:23:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By griffin86: The part with Toronaga and Yubishige was amazing. I can see why they went that way. They didnt want to have Toranaga do a voiceover at the end, so they gave him somebody to talk to. And I dont dislike it... but I think I prefer Yabu's seppuku scene in the original. |
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