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Originally Posted By dannylgriffin: Honestly, you are picking up every single item from your cart and putting it into a bag or onto a conveyance. How can you miss something? Either your cart is empty or it is not. View Quote We no longer get bags at Walmart in Colorado (due to Democrat asswipes in Denver). Sometimes I use the remote scanner and scan items moving them from one side to another in the cart. In the past on occasions when I walked in to get one or two things I would end up needing a cart. I would walk to the cart area with my stuff, place it in the cart then go back inside and continue shopping. Based upon this thread I don't do that anymore. |
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Originally Posted By StillGonnaSendIt: Passing the checkout is not the crime. Only attempting to leave the store is. View Quote Not 100% true and a good point concerning the bathrooms at stores like Wal-Mart... totality of the circumstances concerning behavior prior to, during, and after passing the checkout can lead to "inferred intent". While not a statutory requirement here in FL, some stores require the customer to actually exit the store, which isn't a bad policy per se. Of course this depends if a state has a specific law to the contrary. Not sure if I've already mentioned it... but our local Target's loss prevention guy is a total tool, he works two different locations... I've refused to make theft cases twice when dealing with him for some of the reasons already mentioned in this thread and other officers have expressed the same when dealing with him. |
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Is she of a certain persuasion? I guess not bc she could have carried it all out in her arms. They only fo after the others.
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The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.
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Still not buying it.
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Prohibition doesn't work.
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Originally Posted By Whiskey1Alpha: Longtime friend came over for BBQ and beer this weekend. Tells me a story of his 18 year old daughter that went to Target, used the self checkout and forgot 2 smaller items on the bottom shelf that amounted like like $40 after paying for $200+ items that were in the cart. Checks out, walks to the door and before she leaves 2 random dudes come up to her block her, 1 grabs the cart almost pushing her back and they tell her forcefully that she needs to come with them. She has zero idea what to do, doesn't think she did anything wrong and goes with these guys to the security office where they tell her they just caught her stealing. She's confused as she has a receipt. They say they're calling the cops and she freaks out as she has never been in trouble at all with anything. The big mistake here is that she is too scared/embarrassed to call dad at this point as he would have asked if an officer was present (there was none) and told her to have either left or to meet him outside in the parking lot to figure out WTF was going on. Instead, she sits there for almost 2 hours until a officer decides to show up as I'm sure this guy didn't want to deal with the paperwork. The hilarious thing is that while she was sitting there for 2 hours, they pulled in 2 black girls who literally started fighting with the staff and they were mysteriously gone by the time the officer arrived. Officer shows up, talks to the security office people and they fill him in on the 'theft'. He looks at the camera footage and instantly tells them it clearly looks like an accident with zero intent. Offers to have her pay for the items and be done as well as mentions that she did not actually leave the store with any items and she must be some criminal mastermind to buy 200$ worth of items to steal 2 plastic storages boxes left on the bottom of the cart. They don't want to do that as apparently this specific store has been targeted with thieves and they are watching 100% of self checkout transactions hence why they caught this so fast. Officer is forced to write a citation for 'petty larceny' and she's sent home. Get's a mailer card a bit later with a court date. Dad has called the court, prosecutors office and no one knows anything other than there's a court date. He googled the charge and its a misdemeanor with usually some smallish fine and can be sealed within 6 months to a year - makes a lawyer basically unwarranted especially due to cost. Main issue right now is none of us have ever had to deal with any court stuff, for anything other than a divorce. She has a court date set middle of next month that basically gives her case number, time/date and where to go. We were trying to figure out what was next? She shows up to a shitty downtown judicial building and sits around for hours to get some copy/paste 'deal' for a fine? Or what usually happens here? I can't imagine they'd actually send this to a trial or whatever as A. she has 0 history B. the case is flimsy as it is as the first thing needed to prove petty larceny in Nevada is intent and C. who the hell would want to waste time and resources on this? What usually happens at that point? It's insane to me watching people steal thousands from stores on youtube and ransack gas stations and malls with zero repercussions yet we end up with this? UPDATE #1: So in the meantime, friend had gotten an attorney in Nevada who I guess was a friend of someone. He also works at one of those defense firms that basically specialize in this shit and have a direct line to the people at the prosecutors office on a daily basis. Friend told me that when he began the story of what happened, the attorney stopped to ask him if this was at a Target within 15 seconds. Apparently Target loss prevention is so trigger happy that cases brought by them basically annoy the prosecutors office as they have less of a chance of being a serious case. Arraignment date was set for today but other than going in to put in a Not Guilty plea, the attorney had already gotten a call earlier in the morning about them offering a dismissal 'deal' after they reviewed whatever 'evidence' they had and apparently it was basically a fuck all waste of time. He talked to the paralegal there for an update and he's waiting to see what they are going to do at this point but it looks like the kid was 100% telling the truth. On a personal level thinking about all of this and reading the thread, I'm glad it looks like its going to work out for her, but if this were me in the exact same situation: I wouldn't have stopped, stayed, or went with fucking anyone. Yeah. No. I would have went to my car and driven home or whatever. There is a 0% chance that any box store employee was putting a hand on me. They know it. I know it. I also asked 2 current police officer friends the same question - what would happen if they took a picture of my plate or even knew who I was and/or where I lived? Both stated that at best, I would have had an officer knocking on my door once to talk to me but also, basically no one would care after taking a report. Seeing as how I don't ever answer my door, well, yeah. UPDATE #2 Just got off the phone with the dad. They got a letter in the mail (non registered) from a law firm named Palmer Reifler. The letter read like some total bullshit shakedown that is written targeted towards extremely young or extremely old people as anyone else would laugh at it. It said that they were representing Target in the potential civil case about the theft and to pay them $400 and they would consider the matter closed. A quick google of their name shows that this is a legal scam and actual lawyers consider this 'firm' a hack job shyster shop. The notice also holds zero legal weight. Yet, this is somehow allowed and I'm sure people fall for it. Target is apparently aware of this and does nothing to stop it because I'm sure they get a piece of anything anyone sends in. No wonder they are totally ok with basically jamming anyone up with the smallest thing in the store. Makes you wonder. View Quote With regards to the second, file a complaint with the state bar association. |
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Originally Posted By dannylgriffin: Honestly, you are picking up every single item from your cart and putting it into a bag or onto a conveyance. How can you miss something? Either your cart is empty or it is not. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dannylgriffin: Originally Posted By Amped: Buddy had the same thing at Walmart. All the lines were slammed so they told him to use self check out. He missed 32 worth of shit and they ticked him and set a court date. Had to hire an attorney to get a plea deal. For what it’s worth he had $600 worth of shit for their new house and was trying to get home. I’ve known the guy for 10 years and he doesn’t steal. Sometimes people miss shit, sometimes people are shit Honestly, you are picking up every single item from your cart and putting it into a bag or onto a conveyance. How can you miss something? Either your cart is empty or it is not. I've walked out of Walmart with a case of water on the bottom shelf of my cart that I forgot about. I almost did it a second time, too. |
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Originally Posted By HecklerKac: Because she won't be convicted of theft on a first offense with the circumstances. She will get probation at best, plead to a lesser charge (not theft) I'm not a lawyer, just basing it off probabilities Again , I'll bet anyone a pmag she won't have THEFT on her record View Quote The charge is already on her record. The conviction isn't. You are still wrong. |
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If you can't take the high road, occupy the high ground.
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Coincidentally this was in my Nextdoor feed today.
Attached File Attached File Maybe they should have called the police and had Target arrested. |
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Originally Posted By dorobuta: The charge is already on her record. The conviction isn't. You are still wrong. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dorobuta: Originally Posted By HecklerKac: Because she won't be convicted of theft on a first offense with the circumstances. She will get probation at best, plead to a lesser charge (not theft) I'm not a lawyer, just basing it off probabilities Again , I'll bet anyone a pmag she won't have THEFT on her record The charge is already on her record. The conviction isn't. You are still wrong. I was talking to multiple people, I meant conviction. You know what I meant, not sure why you felt the need to say what 4 other guys already did? Not wrong either way. She won't have a theft conviction on her record. |
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Originally Posted By HecklerKac: Because she won't be convicted of theft on a first offense with the circumstances. She will get probation at best, plead to a lesser charge (not theft) I'm not a lawyer, just basing it off probabilities Again , I'll bet anyone a pmag she won't have THEFT on her record View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HecklerKac: Originally Posted By Bat15: Originally Posted By HecklerKac: Originally Posted By buckshot_jim: Originally Posted By HecklerKac: Why are so many dudes saying hire an attorney for a young girls first offense? A tiny offense at that. Too many movies. The judge will either throw it out or give her probation. Why spend thousands of dollars? Ill bet a pmag on it. It's a theft conviction on her record. It will seriously hurt her ability to find employment or even get into some schools. She needs a lawyer. First offense and with all the circumstances provided? I would bet money its thrown or probation at best....nothing on record. Be prepared for fines though, thats why theyre there, after all What makes you think there will be no record of the conviction? Because she won't be convicted of theft on a first offense with the circumstances. She will get probation at best, plead to a lesser charge (not theft) I'm not a lawyer, just basing it off probabilities Again , I'll bet anyone a pmag she won't have THEFT on her record This is accurate. Even if they have clear proof of her guilt if it's a first offense most prosecutors will offer a deal that keeps it off her record in exchange for community service or some such. They might do something like stay the case for a year and if she stays clean then dismiss it. |
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I understand how these things can happen. I've did something similar twice. Once at a store, I put a small bag of wood chips in the basket a few minutes later I put a smoker on top. I went through to check out paid for the smoker and didn't realize I hadn't paid for the chips when I got to the car. Simple enough i walk back into the store and pay for the chips. Another time at a self check out I somehow didn't scan a jar of peanut butter. The next time I was in that store I made sure to scan the same jar of peanut butter and leave it in the store. That way at least I had paid for what I took home. Now I'm super cautious about anything the self check out.
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Originally Posted By greenranger: GD “shoplifters should be prosecuted”!!! Also GD “arresting shoplifters is bullshit”!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By greenranger: Originally Posted By Aspida1776: Originally Posted By mjohn3006: Maybe don’t steal shit? Yeah, this. Op spent forever typing up some bullshit one sided 3rd hand account of how his buddy's kid dindu nuffin. GD “shoplifters should be prosecuted”!!! Also GD “arresting shoplifters is bullshit”!! "Us" versus "them." Everything else is a smokescreen. |
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Here’s an example from a butterfly, an example that it can be happy on a hard rock. An example that it can lie on this unsweetened stone, friendlessly and all alone. Now let my bed. I do not care.
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Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC: That's crazy. I made it to my car and realized a small ticket item didn't get paid for. I was with my young son at the time and wanted to teach a lesson about doing the right thing even when you can get away with doing the wrong thing. I walked all the way back into the store with my boy and walked to customer service. I told them I forgot to ring an item up. The lady there was taken back and made it a point to tell my son that dad is a good guy and is doing the right thing. She rang the item up, I paid, and all was good. Another time, I got back to the store and was putting away groceries and realized I didn't have an item I thought I paid for. I called customer service to see if it was left behind. No one had seen it but they told me to come in and take a replacement item to CS and they would let me take it. I did, and got back. One of my sons had taken the item to his room. So I got back in my car, told CS what happened, went back and grabbed the item, scanned, paid and handed it back to CS. I absolutely will not steal from anyone. If they had me arrested me in either case, I would have gone fuckin' babnanas. I'd spend any amount of money to clear my name and teach a lesson. Sometimes good deeds don't go unpunished, but FUCK the LP for arresting anyone for trying to do the right thing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC: Originally Posted By broncobisley1: Yep, as much as it sucks lawyer up. I've read about this happening, and the dumbest part is people that realize they missed an item and go back to pay for it are charged. I was told if you miss an item, and you feel guilty upon discovery that you missed the item just ring up the same item the next time you are there and leave the item behind but tell no-one what happened. That's crazy. I made it to my car and realized a small ticket item didn't get paid for. I was with my young son at the time and wanted to teach a lesson about doing the right thing even when you can get away with doing the wrong thing. I walked all the way back into the store with my boy and walked to customer service. I told them I forgot to ring an item up. The lady there was taken back and made it a point to tell my son that dad is a good guy and is doing the right thing. She rang the item up, I paid, and all was good. Another time, I got back to the store and was putting away groceries and realized I didn't have an item I thought I paid for. I called customer service to see if it was left behind. No one had seen it but they told me to come in and take a replacement item to CS and they would let me take it. I did, and got back. One of my sons had taken the item to his room. So I got back in my car, told CS what happened, went back and grabbed the item, scanned, paid and handed it back to CS. I absolutely will not steal from anyone. If they had me arrested me in either case, I would have gone fuckin' babnanas. I'd spend any amount of money to clear my name and teach a lesson. Sometimes good deeds don't go unpunished, but FUCK the LP for arresting anyone for trying to do the right thing. I did self checkout at home depot and forgot to ring up two orange carpenter's pencils. My youngest put them in the cart and they laid flat against the back of the orange cart. I just forgot them. He mentioned that I had forgot them as we were walking to my truck without even looking in the cart. Little dude has a great memory. So I AGAIN walked back into the store with all $0.40 worth of "stolen items" and stood in line/paid for them. I even told the self checkout lady I did it and she looked at me like "cool, but why bother?" It was another great teachable moment about never stealing and always being accountable for ones actions. This thread was on my mind when I did it. I can't imagine getting arrested for bringing unpaid merch back in with intent to pay. |
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What NRA just did was legitimize the left's argument that guns are the problem, not people. Great job NRA" |
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Looks like OP, OP's friend, and OP's friend's daughter were telling the truth. Who is going to apologize to OP?
Also, always hire a lawyer. |
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The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.
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