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Posted: 3/26/2024 2:32:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't seem to have any problems riding their bikes or pulling their carts from their camp sites to make beer runs from what I've seen. Watch one get angry. They’ll throw that rollator 15 feet or get up out of that wheelchair and stomp around like they’re training for the Olympics. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 2:37:06 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meaning it’s a low-skilled job that requires little training. Back breaking sure, hard work absolutely but something people of limited abilities can do. Sounds like you can direct their efforts, not saying they’re ideal employees but pretend they’re not useful to some degree is dishonest. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A shovel doesn’t take much work to it? Have you used one much? 35 years as a new construction plumber I’ve racked up some time, and yes, it does take “work to it”, and skill. We hand dig the majority of our undergrounds. As far as giving the homeless a shovel, who’s hiring them? I’m not. Maybe concrete guys, they’re basically homeless anyways. Also “do”. Meaning it’s a low-skilled job that requires little training. Back breaking sure, hard work absolutely but something people of limited abilities can do. Sounds like you can direct their efforts, not saying they’re ideal employees but pretend they’re not useful to some degree is dishonest. 99% are not useful. You cant be around them. They are irrational, sick, narcissistic, and unpredictable not to mention way too unhealthy for labor. Have you had interactions with any? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 2:40:39 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The majority are low IQ, mentally ill, and incapable of real work. What you wanna do with those? Ship them to a state like New York, Washington, or California which is better able to help them. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 2:49:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Laws against vagrancy have been on the books since before the Revolution. Guess the Founders, and all those folks were leftists. Who knew? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Amazing how just a few years ago, such a law would have been decried as tyranny by most members here. Apparently people being free to live and sleep anywhere open to the public is just a little too scary, even for arfcom. We need more laws like this, but we have a little further to fall before we'll have the will to see them through. I think you might have missed the entire point of my post. I’m supporting what DeSantis is doing. I’m simply pointing out that the road to “fix” what the left has done, and hopefully keep them from doing it again, is going to involve forcing some people to modify their behavior, which is something that makes a lot of people here squeamish. Laws against vagrancy have been on the books since before the Revolution. Guess the Founders, and all those folks were leftists. Who knew? Why have they stopped being enforced? Rhetorical question, unless someone really knows. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 2:57:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think humans can compete with ditch-digging machines. In the legend of John Henry the attempts killed the only man tough enough to try in the 1800s. Point is, some menial work can be done by some of these types given them a path to a normal life. Some may say homeless are the ultimate in Freedom but that's really not true, they rely on public funds/services/hand outs to survive so their 'freedom' strips other's of their (financial freedoms.) Also, a good number of them are a public nuisance, shitting/pissing in public where others and committing petty crimes. It's not like these types live out all alone and never bother others, if that were the case I'd say leave them alone. Problem is, the must be around others and otherwise infringe upon others, some are outright dangerous. There are plenty of programs to help these people into a role where they're a functioning person, for the one's that can't an institution should be an option. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:21:32 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Florida needs to open some psych wards again. The low IQ ones can be trained to pick up trash. Trash for food. Enough trash picked up and you get a spot in the shelter. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:21:53 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Send them to Alabama, they'll make good fans! RTR! Go War Eagles!  |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:26:56 PM EDT
[#8]
We need to open the asylums back up , that would take care of alot of them.
Furthermore, this will be as useful of a law as the hands-free while driving. Not that I'm against either. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:29:59 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 99% are not useful. You cant be around them. They are irrational, sick, narcissistic, and unpredictable not to mention way too unhealthy for labor. Have you had interactions with any? Yes I have, some are extremely unpleasant but they're still have some value. For those that don't, throw them into an institution. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:36:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Deport them, or institutionalize them, enough of this shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The majority are low IQ, mentally ill, and incapable of real work. What you wanna do with those? Deport them, or institutionalize them, enough of this shit. If we deport all the illegals, there would be shelters in Martha's Vineyard they can live in. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:27:51 PM EDT
[#11]
Make Florida clean ??
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:30:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why have they stopped being enforced? Rhetorical question, unless someone really knows. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Amazing how just a few years ago, such a law would have been decried as tyranny by most members here. Apparently people being free to live and sleep anywhere open to the public is just a little too scary, even for arfcom. We need more laws like this, but we have a little further to fall before we'll have the will to see them through. I think you might have missed the entire point of my post. I’m supporting what DeSantis is doing. I’m simply pointing out that the road to “fix” what the left has done, and hopefully keep them from doing it again, is going to involve forcing some people to modify their behavior, which is something that makes a lot of people here squeamish. Laws against vagrancy have been on the books since before the Revolution. Guess the Founders, and all those folks were leftists. Who knew? Why have they stopped being enforced? Rhetorical question, unless someone really knows. Money |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:34:37 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's popular to just write them off as "mentally defective, drug addicts, alcoholics, etc., etc.", but from what I've seen and read, lots of the homeless are otherwise sane people who consider "camping out" to be an adventure, or a return to basic living like in times past. And many of them have just given up on the responsibilities of modern life ... like having to pay taxes, utilities, fuel bills, etc., and they've shucked all that off to "live free". Problem is, they live free at our (taxpayer and property owner) expense. Personally, I hate people who are lazyasses and expect others to support them. And I hate thieves and fake beggars more than anything, and that's how many of them live. Fuck the homeless. I can agree with most of that. When you take a look at some of them they clearly are crafty and motivated enough not to just die so they arent totally mentally deficient. They just have it too easy not to have to do anything. Why work when you can get free food and pop up a tent in the woods? Clearly there are mental defective mixed in and some with varying degrees of it. I really hate that it takes another law but honestly the shit has gotten a lot worse recently and dont see it getting better here unless something is done to change or deter that behavior. We used to rarely see any and now they are all over the place littering shit everywhere, begging on every corner, tent encampments all over town in vacant woods, pack ratting in mountains of trash and shit. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:19:20 PM EDT
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Great way to put the cart in front of the horse.
Hence transient problems stated way before jobless camps, and goes all the way back to the closure of Mental hospitals, that put such out on the streets to begin with. So now thinks that this problem can be solved with just homeless shelters, when the ones that need mental facilities in the first place, you don't want them in homeless shelters to begin with. And fuck the substance abuse part, and what is really needed, is to get them on the correct meds (again), in the first place, and away from the pubic, even when on meds. And no, the ones with a drug problem, can not have them going through withdraws at a homeless shelter, so guessing to to set up more methadone clinics closer to the homeless shelters, and just instead of having Heroin junkies, will now to deal with methadone junkies instead. Bluntly, he and his staff really did not think this one through, or even a good solution in the end. Then you have LEO that has to enforce such, and the last thing they want to deal with is one of these people in there squad car. Hence basic clean up of the car my ass once your back at the station, and it more of a trip down to the car wash to open all the doors and break out a power washer first to give the inside of it a good douching, then bug bomb the car to kill what the power washer did not. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:22:01 PM EDT
[#15]
Go live in the woods off the side of the road. Just stop being a disgusting piece of shit laying sprawled out in front of the gas station. I have no sympathy, life was not nice to me, but I didn’t fuck off, I worked hard.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:28:38 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wish other states would pass similar laws. At the state level, we will see what SCOTUS says as they are set to rule on a similar law from Oregon. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/homeless-crackdown-gains-momentum-california-us-supreme-court-test-looms-2024-03-02/ San Diego passed a local ordinance that prohibits "camping" in public but it's been largely unenforceable. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:45:53 PM EDT
[#17]
I plan on calling dispatch every time I see one camped out or sleeping on public property.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:49:50 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bus them to homeless sanctuary cities on the West Coast. This. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:51:27 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No longer interested in taking the moral high-ground. I haven't been interested in that for decades. You just get taken advantage of. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:53:10 PM EDT
[#20]
Send the whole lot of them to Burma, feedd them rice and make them build a bridge.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:56:05 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why have they stopped being enforced? Rhetorical question, unless someone really knows. UnConstitutional in many cases. So much so most County Attorneys/ADA's wont prosecute. Police departments that regularly arrest people on such cases get sued. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:56:57 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is public after all. A much better solution is to make it uncomfortable for them. Throw away their trash, destroy their encampments. This. While you can't boot them off of public property you can make life so miserable there so that they'll leave. Water the lawn for a few hours a night. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:03:48 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bus tickets to California, Martha's Vineyard, or New York. This. Preferably the Vineyard. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:06:34 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The impact is already being felt in crime, property damage, disease, reduced foot traffic in downtown areas, etc. It needs to be done. It also won’t be, because racism and any other -ism. But it’s like how SF was cleaned up for Xi’s visit in basically a day. It damn well can be done. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lots of edgelords here posting but not coming up with solutions. The solutions offered in this thread aren't good either. How long can you keep a homeless person in a hospital psych ward? If they are legit crazy that would have to be indefinitely. Who will pay for that? Someone will. I don't know what sort of economic impact homeslls have in the streets but it will be a significant impact if they have to go to hospitals. There has to be other solutions? Besides some of the edgy responses already posted like shipping to Cali or worse But it’s like how SF was cleaned up for Xi’s visit in basically a day. It damn well can be done. It ain't hard, what do people think used to happen? You roust the shitbirds, convince them to clean their act up or move along... if they don't comprende you escalate to the Jesus compells you stage.. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:07:24 PM EDT
[#25]
Banning it is one thing, enforcing that ban is quite another. I hope for the latter but have seen too much of the former.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:47:28 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The majority are low IQ, mentally ill, and incapable of real work. What you wanna do with those? Send them back to AL |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:52:21 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Banning it is one thing, enforcing that ban is quite another. I hope for the latter but have seen too much of the former. Mental hospitals have a bad rap like nuclear energy. Most of it is old, outdated info but people won't let it go. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:53:07 PM EDT
[#28]
I'm ok with this as long as there really is a place for them to go.
A while back I was trying to help someone find a shelter and they were all full. Show up on Tuesday morning between 7 and 8 am for screening. Unless you are a female victim of domestic violence there really don't appear to be many good options. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 10:15:14 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trash for food. Enough trash picked up and you get a spot in the shelter. That is the whole point. They DO NOT want a spot in the shelter. They can't have their drugs and alcohol in the shelter. They would rather sleep on the street. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 5:27:01 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The majority are low IQ, mentally ill, and incapable of real work. What you wanna do with those? Low IQ can do manual labor, or starve if they choose not to. Mentally ill need to go to facilities where they will receive treatment. Anyone else who is somehow “incapable of real work” better figure it out or they can starve too. I have zero fucks to give about people who give zero fucks about themselves. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:06:59 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Supreme Court said in January it would hear and appeal of a decision from a west coast appellate court that said it's unconstitutional to kick homeless off public property. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna133440 I was wondering when someone was going to post this. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:23:05 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Homeless are just mental, the drugs are a byproduct. Clean them off of drugs and you basically have a retard. Then what? They go to work in IT and write their own check? They can go live with you since there is apparently no other option. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:25:39 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is more accurate than people will realize. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Homeless are just mental, the drugs are a byproduct. Clean them off of drugs and you basically have a retard. Then what? They go to work in IT and write their own check? This is more accurate than people will realize. Why are there so many more retarded people today than there were 20 years ago? @MallSRTsniper @boolzi |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:27:18 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are there so many more retarded people today than there were 20 years ago? @MallSRTsniper @boolzi Good times make weak men |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:27:38 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, while I agree with the need for the law, it is hardly freedom. Unfortunately freedom and social safety nets aren’t compatible. @ClayHollisterTT |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:28:05 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good times make weak men Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why are there so many more retarded people today than there were 20 years ago? @MallSRTsniper @boolzi |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:29:52 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you talk with the homeless or housing challenged, among other things is that they are afraid of the shelters, churches, etc because they aren’t safe or the other residents are zombies. Maybe some type of guard or monitors. The rest have serious mental issues that a shelter won’t solve. You don’t have to stay in the shelter if you accept responsibility for yourself, and stop being a worthless leach. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:34:22 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is public after all. A much better solution is to make it uncomfortable for them. Throw away their trash, destroy their encampments. Can’t do that because the government can’t just destroy someone’s property. The Supreme Court ruled on that decades ago. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:34:40 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are there so many more retarded people today than there were 20 years ago? @MallSRTsniper @boolzi Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Homeless are just mental, the drugs are a byproduct. Clean them off of drugs and you basically have a retard. Then what? They go to work in IT and write their own check? This is more accurate than people will realize. Why are there so many more retarded people today than there were 20 years ago? @MallSRTsniper @boolzi Cause there are more people in general? But, in simpler older societies(more homestead/farm) they were probably easier to retain in families. Today, we are less willing to take care of our retarded/narcissistic family, plus the availability of drugs probably exacerbate the issue. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:35:17 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They’re unemployable. What is your solution since you don’t seem to like anyone else’s? @boolzi |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:36:40 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no belief in freedom on ARFCOM anymore. All of you are trading liberty to protect.....what exactly? Are we so stupid that we still resort to "If WE can't control it we should ban it!"?. All we ever do is outlaw things instead of solving the issues. What if they could apply for a $200.00 tax stamp, and in 9 months be allowed to lay down on the bench? Would you be OK with that? Any corrections officers that want to chime in? Are you ready to work intake? How many leo's just can't wait to log infor their shift now? Since yall don't have enough to do already. Just wait for all the prisoner transports with the windows down and the AC on high. But at least people won't see someone sleeping in front of Starbucks while they support the DNC by purchasing grande fraps latte ice tea. I have not read one post questioning how this may affect veterans. How many who support this wear Gadsden Flag t shirts, or flags on their Ford TRX Tundra? Where do you live? @Yani |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:39:32 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is your solution since you don’t seem to like anyone else’s? @boolzi Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They’re unemployable. What is your solution since you don’t seem to like anyone else’s? @boolzi I dont have one. But expecting someone, like me, to employ those messes is not rational. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:41:30 PM EDT
[#43]
Does this apply to the "van lifer" crowd?
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:42:06 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The majority are low IQ, mentally ill, and incapable of real work. What you wanna do with those? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Go to shelters that force them to get clean, it's in the link. The majority are low IQ, mentally ill, and incapable of real work. What you wanna do with those? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:43:39 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lots of edgelords here posting but not coming up with solutions. The solutions offered in this thread aren't good either. How long can you keep a homeless person in a hospital psych ward? If they are legit crazy that would have to be indefinitely. Who will pay for that? Someone will. I don't know what sort of economic impact homeslls have in the streets but it will be a significant impact if they have to go to hospitals. There has to be other solutions? Besides some of the edgy responses already posted like shipping to Cali or worse If a person is crazy/mentally deficient they should be housed somewhere indefinitely. It is the only way. Crazies have proven they cannot be trusted to take the medication they are prescribed, and get the treatment they need unless you force them to, and they are too dangerous to allow to roam free. People who are mentally deficient don’t deserve to die because they are born with an insurmountable disability, and can’t care for themselves so they should also be housed somewhere. Some of them might be able to live somewhat normal lives, and stay in group homes depending on their level of deficiency. Anyone who chooses to be a leach deserves to starve. No social safety net. You don’t get to live on the streets because you’re too lazy, or hate responsibility. You get a job like the rest of us, or you don’t eat. I think you’d find over time there are far more people in groups 3 than 1 or 2. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:45:30 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure cops will get right on enforcing that. Nothing like getting out of an air conditioned squad car to be into proximity with a smelly hobo and risk getting stabbed with a hobo knife. If there was any real commitment on the back end to fixing the problem I would happily enforce vagrancy laws. I hate vagrants, and believe they are a blight. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be enough public support to do what needs to be done yet. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:04:27 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All large hospitals have psych wards so that's where they will end up Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They'll just take them to the ER... it's what they do everywhere else. All large hospitals have psych wards so that's where they will end up The asylum system needs to start somewhere, this looks like it could be nucleus of getting the mentally ill housed (or warehoused, I am good either way). |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 12:11:29 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where should they sleep then? Homeless people are by definition homeless. Should they sleep on the private property they don't have? I know there are shelters, but do they have capacity? I know for a fact some shelters won't take in anybody convicted of a violent offense or who can't pass a drug test.. where do they sleep? They have a physical body that cannot simply pop out of existence. What's the alternative? Get a job, and stop being a leach, or go far out into the wilderness, and live there. Of course then you can’t be a leach as easy which is generally their goal. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 12:12:52 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Procecute the fuckers employing illegals and I bet this place would sort itself out. Cut off welfare as well, and all of a sudden we’d have a lot more people capable of working, and contributing to society. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 12:17:29 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This sounds great in theory, but you are basically saying you would either have the state pay to involuntarily house these people, or execute them (I'm assuming that's what no second change ever means). Which is pretty tyrannical for the government to kill someone for being a lazy bum. How does a person who is a bum feed themselves, and buy things they need? If you address that the problem will fix itself. |
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