@TurkeyLeg

Fantastic pictures, really puts into perspective how big it is.
TV makes it look big but up close is another

Hope your guy(s) stay safe in that environment

The freaky thing is just seeing the bridge just stop in mid air.

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A view from this past Sunday, I think we were on 95 at the time, about 5 miles from the bridge, as Carnival bused us back to our vehicles.

Kharn

It would make the port less competitive against other ports pushing shippers to call elsewhere.

I think you may also see MSC and MARAD potentially changing the ports where they layberth the Pre-Pos if multiple assets can be tied up in a single port behind a downed bridge.  Currently, there is a significant amount of TransCom cargo volume capability tied up in that port right now.

Kharnival Cruises, I guess.

Yep.  Not that the Antares and Denebola will go anywhere soon (or any SL-7 for that matter) but the situation is shitty.  It could have been much worse, but its hard to fathom the amount of money this will cost.  The lost lives are bad enough.

For a boat that size, a 4000 horse tug pulling on the bow and another 4000 horse tug pulling in reverse on the stern could possibly have straightened her out enough for only a glancing blow, but thats a huge maybe with a million variables.  Youre also hoping you dont kill  any tugboaters doing that, so its hard to tell what a tug captain might do in that kind of scenario.   Feeding out the line might be the only option in many instances.

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Yup.

Kharn

Karine Jean-Pierre, Reading From Notes, Calls Baltimore’s Key Bridge “Francis Scott King Bridge”




That was no mistake. Francis Scott Key wrote the Star Spangled Banner and the bridge was named after him. Total disrespect from this administration.

Baltimore Bridge Collapse Timeline Announced by Engineers

Hell yeah!  God bless those Americans!  

It has to transit under another bridge approx 20 miles down the bay also.

I have a lot of respect for the dudes cutting the bridge into pieces.

This is the maritime equivalent of cutting hundreds of trees for firewood than starting to cut them into 18" lengths - every piece you cut is under different stresses in ways you can't always tell, only this time, it's in near-zero-visibility water and you're a diver with a torch, not standing on dry ground with a chainsaw.

Every piece you cut has the potential to twist and bend or spring back on you, or cause another piece 100' away to twist and hit another diver. Or cause a large piece to pin you underwater.

Spooky stuff. Whatever they're getting paid, they're earning it.

Clearing the first bridge gets them out of the bad engine start dangerzone and keeps the lanes open for the naval base

the Dali was under tugboat guidance from her slip till the edge of the port

For that speed profile, indirect tow by a stern tethered escort is the better option than a direct pull. There are places that have tethered outbound escort as standard procedure for this specific scenario, usually due to past circumstances.

If the backing bell rumor is true, a 6-7k hp tethered ASD/tractor tug going starboard indirect at the same time likely had a good shot at keeping it straight enough to miss the bridge. Again, that's not even touching the larger issue of what it would take for all domestic ports to have enough proper tugs with trained wheelhouse crew to run a tethered escort past all vulnerable infrastructure.

https://aeic-iaac.gc.ca/050/documents_staticpost/cearref_21799/2559/appendixa.pdf

A Confused Biden Is Guided Into Place In Baltimore Despite Giant Xs Taped To Floor: "Right Here?"





"Johnny O. I Like That. Johnny O. Ho Ho Ho!"





"Guy's Got Guns As Big As My Thighs"





Biden's Speech In Baltimore Is Completely Incomprehensible Due To His Nonsensical Slurring

Biden, In Baltimore, Claims His Family Goes "All The Way Back To Being Watermen In This Bay" Back in the 1800s!

His granddaddy was an engineer on the Underground Railroad, and carried thousands of escaped slaves across the Francis Scott key Bridge to freedom in Scranton PA each night.  He would return each morning and blow the train horn to wake up young Joe for a morning of crabbing and fishing out on the Chesapeake. Joe was inspired by his childhood when he wrote Maryland’s famous slogan “Crabcakes and Football, that’s what Maryland Does”

Have you ever considered that the local power structure wanted the bridge to be taken out so they could get some sweet federal $$$$ to replace the bridge without having to vote a bond election and impose additional taxes locally to pay for it?

A cynical person would also consider the palm greasing that would take place in addition to a massive cash influx to the local economy.

Ol' joe sure epitomizes the saying about 'how do you know when a politician is lying?'

As of now, they’ve removed very little of the bridge.  This is going to take a long-ass time

They need some of these cranes on scene.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/3d-sonar-images-of-baltimores-key-bridge-reveal-the-underwater-wreckage-in-detail-180984090/

If the goverment does the clean up, they will probably build the worlds biggest dry dock around the area first.

They need to call CDI and get busy.

Ohh nonsense… we were assured by GD experts here saying it would take a mere 2 weeks to get the ship out and open the lane. They’ll get that done in the next 3 days and they’ll rebuild it in a year because the .gov is going to “fast track” it…

The weather has been bad most days since the bridge fell, and all the runoff makes visibility underwater even worse.

They are cutting 350 ton segments, one piece at a time. The parts that are underwater are going to be a PIA to cut and remove.

If the Feds are paying for this work, they should sue Maryland for installing a bridge that was difficult to remove from navigable waterways.

Turning on closed captioning didn't help.

Another body found

I guess that's good because it's not like anyone expected anything other than a recovery.

Was talking to an asshole I work with who’s done a lot of work with NAVSEA over the years.  He said that the people and equipment that initially show up to something like this is nothing more than a bunch of grab-asses who accomplish very little other than getting in the way.  They are only there for show.  In a few weeks, you’ll see them starting to get pulled off the the real, not f__ing around team with the real, northern European equipment will arrive.  And then, stuff will start to get done.

Moran adds an extra 3100 an hour per tug for escort with a 2hr minimum.

So tug services for an off hours transit go from (spitballing) 13-15k to probably 30k or more.

ETA: If you get into a tractor tug, I'm pretty sure the rate is 1.5x normal rate

Starting to remove containers from the ship

I dare you to go tell those guys they are working too slow.

All joking aside, I wonder how things would differ if this were a war emergency.  For example, we were going at it with China and we got caught with our pants down with two carriers on the wrong side of it (yes, an unrealistic example for this particular bridge).

I wonder if they would bring in massive tugs, make a few cuts, and drag the shit out of there with brute force.

You just earned another 87 days in tolerance camp

That bridge is deeply imbedded in the mud. There is nothing that could move it by dragging it. I would bet you couldn't even get enough air bags under it to lift it out of the mud.

I know this is a shat post but why not hook the bridge sections to the ship and back her up. Pull them up and out.

It won’t work, not enough power.

Hook a few of these bitches up to it.  Pull hard enough and something will happen.  That something may not be what you want and it may even involve someone getting killed, but something WILL happen if you pull hard though.

Right on schedule..


Civil rights groups call for collapsed Baltimore bridge to be renamed when it's rebuilt because legacy of national anthem author Francis Scott Key is 'clouded with racism accusations'



Civil rights groups are calling for the collapsed Baltimore bridge to be renamed when it's rebuilt, citing accusations of racism against national anthem author Francis Scott Key.

The Caucus of African American Leaders of Anne Arundel County in Maryland voted unanimously to call for the renaming and will lobby governor Wes Moore on the proposal, as reported by the Baltimore Banner.

The caucus includes civil rights groups such as the NAACP and the National Coalition of 100 Black Women.

Leaders argued that the The Star-Spangled Banner author  -who the collapsed bridge was named after - was a slave owner who wrote lyrics that scholars have said 'demeaned black people.'

They have asked for the bridge to be renamed after late congressman Parren J Mitchel, the first black man from Maryland elected to the US House of Representatives.




They have asked for the bridge to be renamed after late congressman Parren J Mitchel, the first black man from Maryland elected to the US House of Representatives




Democratic gov Moore told Fox News he remains 'laser-focused on providing closure to these families, clearing the channel, and rebuilding the bridge.'

However, the Baltimore Banner reported that on Monday Moore told reporters there will 'be a time for that' conversation at a later date.

While as a lawyer Key helped many black Marylanders obtain their freedom before emancipation, he opposed the idea of free black citizens in the US, helping create the American Colonization Society, which promoted the emigration of black Americans to Africa.

Key is also often quoted as claiming that black Americans are 'a distinct and inferior race of people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community.'

However,  the Star Spangled Banner Foundation has claimed the racist quote is 'Incorrectly credited to Key as a first-person expression of his attitudes about race in the United States.'

The foundation added: 'The quote is taken from page 40 of Jefferson Morley's generally insightful 2012 book Snow-Storm in August: Washington City, Francis Scott Key, and the Forgotten Race Riot of 1835).


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Are we just going to disregard the newcomers that parished trying to maintain the bridge?