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Posted: 4/6/2024 8:59:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2024 9:10:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: $1700 seems crazy high but that seems to be MSR from what I can tell. I don’t see any vendors asking that but they are certainly well over $700. The only thing that gives me pause is deeply discounted often means a know problem with an item. The slide wear issue mentioned above is the only one I can find other than early models had issues with trigger guards breaking. That issue was supposedly resolved. I have an original Trailside. Accurate. Reliable. Mags haven’t worn out yet even though they are plastic. Mine came with the XESSE grip but I swapped for the standard plastic grips. I’d like to get some fancier ambi grips. Maybe these newer ones fit older pistols. Only shoot standard velocity (<1100 fps) ammo or the frame is likely to crack. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 11:21:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: WeimaranerDad]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johhnyrotten: I bought one when the crowns were bored at an angle and the trigger had a lot of creep. Hmmm…. Bummer.  EDIT: I have the Beretta conversion:  Attached FileWhile not a target pistol, it was accurate enough for steel challenge. BONUS: not having to pick up brass after the match. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 12:11:27 PM EDT
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Any words of wisdom in regards to magazines? Namely, will the only accept ESEE mags or will the Trailside ones work as well? Are there aftermarket magazines available?
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Posted: 4/6/2024 12:17:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bohr_Adam]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I want a target pistol but every time I price out match 22 I chicken out. I'd love a pair of those one in 32 and one in 22. I've wanted a mag forward target gun ever since I saw Point Of No Return  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129950/Bridget_Fonda_Hammerli_Point_of_No_Retur-3179250.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129950/Point_of_No_Return_jpg-3179251.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I want a target pistol but every time I price out match 22 I chicken out. Originally Posted By BikerNut: I thought about getting an X-Esse but didn't because I really wanted this instead. https://www.krale.shop/media/catalog/product/w/a/walther_gsp_expert_1_.jpg I'd love a pair of those one in 32 and one in 22. I've wanted a mag forward target gun ever since I saw Point Of No Return https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129950/Bridget_Fonda_Hammerli_Point_of_No_Retur-3179250.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129950/Point_of_No_Return_jpg-3179251.JPG Ahh, yes. I believe that was the old Model 280. I loved the impractical but aesthetically awesome weapons choices in that movie. Edit. Beat like a retarded foster kid. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 12:20:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By opnblstr: I have an original Trailside. Accurate. Reliable. Mags haven’t worn out yet even though they are plastic. Mine came with the XESSE grip but I swapped for the standard plastic grips. I’d like to get some fancier ambi grips. Maybe these newer ones fit older pistols. Only shoot standard velocity (<1100 fps) ammo or the frame is likely to crack. Not the frame, the trigger guard. It has a nub that sticks up and that is what the slide impacts moving rear ward. I bought spares from Larry's and threw them in the bag. Never have needed one though. The Trailside is a laser beam and the trigger is easy to make pretty damn good. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/6/2024 12:42:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tangeant]
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They fixed the trigger guard issue on the newer ones. The trigger on the expert model is supposed to be updated Larry type not sure if ipsc , long or sport versions are the same.
My Buds blowout Expert has a pretty nice trigger, solid two stage with clean break. I have a good selection of 22 Target Pistols but still caved and ordered a Long model from PSA. The blowout prices on Xesse's is a deal not to pass up if you are looking for a oob competition grade 22. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 12:44:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tangeant: They fixed the trigger guard issue on the newer ones. The trigger on the expert model is supposed to be updated Larry type not sure if ipsc , long or sport versions are the same. My Buds blowout Expert has a pretty nice trigger, solid two stage with clean break. I have a good selection of 22 Target Pistols but still caved and ordered a Long model. The blowout prices on Xesse's is a deal not to pass up if you are looking for a oob competition grade 22. @tangeant Just curious, why the long vs ipsc? I've had the ipsc in my cart since last night. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 12:53:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RealityCheck0311]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: @wineraner I haven't shot it much and with various ammo. More accurate than I am, for sure, but I need to baseline it from a rest with a single ammo. Free pistol is SO much different than all other shooting I have done, that I really need to focus on just that discipline for an honest review. Just the trigger usage is a whole new realm, with it set medium, it is still more a thought that fires the gun, rather than moving the finger! I shaped the grip myself. Glove-like fit. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/38726/1000009893_jpg-3179461.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/38726/1000009894_jpg-3179462.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/38726/1000009895_jpg-3179463.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/38726/1000009896_jpg-3179464.JPG Conceal carry?  That's awesome BTW. I've used a few Feinwerkbau 10m air pistols with fancy grips and a balanced frame (using the weights) and it's incredible how it just becomes an extension of your arm. With the air pistols it feels like you're just finger pointing at the target and the next second a perfectly sized widecutter hole appears exactly where you pointed (lack of recoil too). They've always made some really cool 10m match air pistols over the years.  Really want one of their early single stroke pneumatics like a 100 series. 
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/6/2024 12:59:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tangeant]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WDEagle: @tangeant Just curious, why the long vs ipsc? I've had the ipsc in my cart since last night. I think the only difference is the ipsc has a larger silver colored safety lever for easier operation + position ID and 3 width front sight+ some minor cosmetic stuff . Not going to shoot steel / action matches with it so the cheaper cost was the reason for going for Long model. One of the club guys has one and it is a nice piece and the regular sights were fine. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 1:10:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 917-30]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Any words of wisdom in regards to magazines? Namely, will the only accept ESEE mags or will the Trailside ones work as well? Are there aftermarket magazines available? They use the same magazine. As far as I know no one ever made aftermarket magazines for the Trailside/X-esse. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 1:39:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: They use the same magazine. As far as I know no one ever made aftermarket magazines for the Trailside/X-esse. Thanks. Can anyone tell me the difference between the Sport and Expert? Is it just the grips? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/6/2024 1:46:39 PM EDT
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Prices went up a bit glad I put in my order last night & didn’t sleep on ordering the standard long model…
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Posted: 4/6/2024 7:54:19 PM EDT
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I broke down an ordered one. Nine hundred dollars of of retail just can’t missed.
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Posted: 4/6/2024 8:08:48 PM EDT
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So, clearance magazines anywhere?
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Posted: 4/6/2024 8:14:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FADALdude: So, clearance magazines anywhere? If you find any let me know |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 8:29:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 917-30]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FADALdude: So, clearance magazines anywhere? No, and you won't likely ever even see them on sale. 15+ years ago they were $35 each. Now they're $40, and as far as I know nothing else made uses the same magazine. You might be able to find a slightly better deal on gunbroker, but shipping will likely kill any savings unless you buy several at a time. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 8:52:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: No, and you won't likely ever even see them on sale. 15+ years ago the were $35 each. Now they're $40, and as far as I no nothing else made uses the same magazine. You might be able to find a slightly better deal on gunbroker, but shipping will likely kill any savings unless you buy several at a time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: Originally Posted By FADALdude: So, clearance magazines anywhere? No, and you won't likely ever even see them on sale. 15+ years ago the were $35 each. Now they're $40, and as far as I no nothing else made uses the same magazine. You might be able to find a slightly better deal on gunbroker, but shipping will likely kill any savings unless you buy several at a time. Yeah I remember. Got mine from CDNN when Sig released the Mosquito. Hoping Walther drops them and that happens again
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Posted: 4/6/2024 8:55:29 PM EDT
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I got a sport model on the way. I have the Sig Hammerli Trailside too and already have 6ish magazines stockpiled over the years. Magazine compatibility made the decision to go for it easier. Frankly, these are not worth anywhere near the MSRP, but I’ve been seeing them over the years at about 1k so this does seem like a better deal than normal.
I love my trailside, never malfunctioned and is it accurate and rugged. Now that I’ll have this version I’ll be a little bit more open to beating up the trailside, and keep this one as a safe queen that I’ll shoot once a year. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 8:57:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: No, and you won't likely ever even see them on sale. 15+ years ago the were $35 each. Now they're $40, and as far as I no nothing else made uses the same magazine. You might be able to find a slightly better deal on gunbroker, but shipping will likely kill any savings unless you buy several at a time. My brother has my Dad's very old High Standard Victor. Still on the original two mags. .22 mags should last a while and speed reloads.... meh. Additional mags are pricey. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 9:38:07 PM EDT
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~1983 GSP
Doesn't look as fancy as the new ones, but it is a stellar shooter, even with mediocre ammo.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 10:15:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: ~1983 GSP Doesn't look as fancy as the new ones, but it is a stellar shooter, even with mediocre ammo. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/38726/1000009910_jpg-3180533.JPG Sweet! I've wanted one of those since they came out but just can't justify the price for plinking. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 10:23:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: Sweet! I've wanted one of those since they came out but just can't justify the price for plinking. My father got it in the late 80s, so grew up on it. Honestly ~1400 isn't a bad deal Just found this (not shilling, not mine, I would never sell it) https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1033351508 |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 10:26:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: I don't think that any of the X-esses had the trigger guard issue. It was found and eliminated before they were released. Early Trailsides with that issue can be fixed with a small amount of filing to get the trigger guard to fully seat. IIRC, E-esses started at $600+ when they were first introduced so PSA's sale prices are really good considering inflation. Another difference between the target Trailside like mine and the X-esse is that the X-esse has an upgraded adjustable rear target sight. You can see the difference by comparing my photos with PSA's. PSA's description of one of the X-esse models states that the slide is made of steel. I think they are actually aluminum unless there has been a recent change/option. If the slide is steel, that would eliminate the slide stop issue, but I've not seen or handled any of the recent models. This is my snag. They mark it as a XF model. I am not sure I have seen that. The steel slides are marked SF. I don’t want an aluminum slide Xesse. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 10:31:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: My father got it in the late 80s, so grew up on it. Honestly ~1400 isn't a bad deal Just found this (not shilling, not mine, I would never sell it) https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1033351508 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: Originally Posted By 917-30: Sweet! I've wanted one of those since they came out but just can't justify the price for plinking. My father got it in the late 80s, so grew up on it. Honestly ~1400 isn't a bad deal Just found this (not shilling, not mine, I would never sell it) https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1033351508 Almost tempting, but I'm left handed so the $300-400 extra for grips kills it for me. Whatever you do, don't post one at that price with left handed grips. It would break me. 
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Posted: 4/6/2024 10:36:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2024 11:05:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TZ250: I like my Russian clunker https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/319389/IMG_3073_jpeg-3180585.JPG Don't think I've seen those. Never should have passed up all the cheap toggle bolt 22's that came through. |
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Posted: 4/6/2024 11:34:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: phatmax]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: Almost tempting, but I'm left handed so the $300-400 extra for grips kills it for me. Whatever you do, don't post one at that price with left handed grips. It would break me. How about 1100? https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/pistols/walther-pistols/walther-gsp-22lr-with-walther-black-suitcase.cfm?gun_id=102563685 @917-30 I am an enabler. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 12:01:03 AM EDT
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My Buds Expert with RF mount and Ultra Dot.
 SP22 and MP90, Bought SP to Replace MP90 but i shoot the Benelli better have broken 880 with it. 
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Posted: 4/7/2024 12:19:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tangeant: My Buds Expert with RF mount and Ultra Dot. https://i.imgur.com/xtyy6Q5.jpg SP22 and MP90, Bought SP to Replace MP90 but i shoot the Benelli better have broken 880 with it. https://i.imgur.com/AEyh8lf.jpg Nice! How accurate is the X-esse compared to the other two? |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 1:31:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tortilla-flats]
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Ultra Dots are legit with this?
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Posted: 4/7/2024 2:06:47 AM EDT
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I wonder if the front counterweights are still available? They clamp to the same place the scope mount clamps to.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2024 2:54:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TZ250: I like my Russian clunker https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/319389/IMG_3073_jpeg-3180585.JPG Semi or full auto? /s These can get exciting to use. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 6:53:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Darrellbear: I wonder if the front counterweights are still available? They clamp to the same place the scope mount clamps to. HAMMERLI X-esse SPORT FRONT-END WEIGHT (165g)  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 7:13:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tangeant: My Buds Expert with RF mount and Ultra Dot. https://i.imgur.com/xtyy6Q5.jpg SP22 and MP90, Bought SP to Replace MP90 but i shoot the Benelli better have broken 880 with it. https://i.imgur.com/AEyh8lf.jpg Does anybody know how that stippling is done? I have dabbled making 1911 grips before, but I am not quite up to checkering them yet. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 7:30:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Darrellbear: I wonder if the front counterweights are still available? They clamp to the same place the scope mount clamps to. The expert should come with the weight, if you want to go that route. I was pissed for sleeping on the $599 X-Esse Long, so I went ahead and grabbed the Expert at $799. Factoring in 100 bones just to purchase the weight separately it made sense for me. I figure on 3D printing some cool ambi grip for mine in the style of my FAS 6004 ambi grip. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 7:34:22 AM EDT
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Does the sport come with the weight? I have one of those on order and was wondering how it differs from the expert
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2024 7:59:04 AM EDT
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I’m not certain, but from what I gleaned from other sights that sell them I don’t think the sport comes with the weight.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2024 9:54:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: Nice! How accurate is the X-esse compared to the other two? Just as accurate, after a few sighters to zero dot.... shot a 295 25yd NMC B16/B8 targets. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 11:59:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: Ultra Dots are legit with this? Yes..... Ultra Dots and Aimpoint 9000 are the most popular Bullseye/Precision competition dots. UDs are half the cost of Aimpoint. I use 1" 2 min dot UDs |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 12:00:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By WDEagle: Originally Posted By Darrellbear: I wonder if the front counterweights are still available? They clamp to the same place the scope mount clamps to. HAMMERLI X-esse SPORT FRONT-END WEIGHT (165g) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/Screenshot_2024-04-07_065304_png-3180779.JPG Holy crap. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 12:49:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WeimaranerDad: Does anybody know how that stippling is done? I have dabbled making 1911 grips before, but I am not quite up to checkering them yet. I use a small nail wedged into a tack-hammer. Do the edges and the details first, then relax and fill in the area. Rink uses Scheroll oil, but I like Tung oil better. With some practice you can match the texture that Rink uses. Brownells has stippling punches in their catalog but using two hands (punch and hammer) is tough on the odd shape of anatomical grips. For pistol frames I like coarse air chisel stippling like the Army Marksmanship Unit armourers used to do. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 7:44:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Darrellbear: Holy crap. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Darrellbear: Originally Posted By WDEagle: Originally Posted By Darrellbear: I wonder if the front counterweights are still available? They clamp to the same place the scope mount clamps to. HAMMERLI X-esse SPORT FRONT-END WEIGHT (165g) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174498/Screenshot_2024-04-07_065304_png-3180779.JPG Holy crap. Yeah, Hammerli parts aren't cheap even on their "inexpensive" guns. The pricing used to be a little better when Larry was around but even then prices weren't great. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 7:55:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: Yeah, Hammerli parts aren't cheap even on their "inexpensive" guns. The pricing used to be a little better when Larry was around but even then prices weren't great. Also check at Walther support in Arkansas, Earl's Repair, and Red Feather Outfitters. Likely all will be about the same. You may catch some slack at Krale's in the Netherlands. When I had my X-esse I liked the heavy weight. Since the pistol is so light running the heavy weight was no problem and made the pistol balance well for me. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 8:23:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr: Semi or full auto? /s These can get exciting to use. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clovis_Ledbetter_Jr: Originally Posted By TZ250: I like my Russian clunker https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/319389/IMG_3073_jpeg-3180585.JPG Semi or full auto? /s These can get exciting to use. After it emptied all five with one pull of the trigger one time I’d had enough and I made tooling to machine the bolt face. After I correctly set the headspace for US and Euro ammo it’s been flawless.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 8:39:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 917-30: Yeah, Hammerli parts aren't cheap even on their "inexpensive" guns. The pricing used to be a little better when Larry was around but even then prices weren't great. If I need a barrel weight, I will be putting my mini mill to work. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 8:50:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/563702/IMG_1062_jpeg-3179434.JPG I didn’t see this one earlier l it’s $800 @Curmudgeon762 Where is this for sale? |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 9:58:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Digger440: @Curmudgeon762 Where is this for sale? Palmetto state |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:14:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:42:29 PM EDT
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Nice! Mine is waiting for me when i get back home this weekend
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