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My family has vacationed in Pagosa Springs, CO every Christmas for the last 12 years. We won't be going back
We went to Pinetop, AZ one year and they had snow at Christmas, we will probably start going to somewhere around there or maybe Ruidoso, NM, at least until they screw up their 2a. |
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Originally Posted By Yojimbo: Well, that sucks. What exactly does the Colorado AWB do? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes It ass rapes the Constitutions by outlawing the transfer / sale of 90% of the most useful and popular firearms in America. If this passes, it will essentially outlaw semi auto sales here. For those who think it might not be "that" unconstitutional... From the Colorado constitution All persons have certain natural, essential and inalienable rights, among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; of acquiring, possessing and protecting property; and of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness. Ironically, Colorado's version of the 2A is written in a way that contradicts the Federal 2A. It is horribly written. But this law is still a violation of it. The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when there to legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons. |
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Gun enthusiasts of New Mexico better be paying attention because the further this goes in Colorado the more embolden MLG, Et al. will be in January for their next 60 day session. The 10th circuit is not the most gun friendly court and I don’t think that Gorsuch will differ from Barrett, in the 7th (Illinois), on how immediate awb injuctions/stays/appeals are handled. So if it passes then it will likely stick unless SCOTUS rules on these bans.
I doubt the Colorado senate is going to be any better than their house but I really hope this bill gets stalled. Hopefully the bill’s continued movement can generate more public pushback and motivate some fence sitters to get more involved to stop this. |
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Originally Posted By Square66: And there it is. All California's fault. I'm sure it has nothing to do with two generations of leftists being churned out under your noses in your own high schools and universities. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: You don't believe the massive influx of Californians and their well established voting habits has nothing to do with this? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Originally Posted By Square66: And there it is. All California’s fault. I’m sure it has nothing to do with two generations of leftists being churned out under your noses in your own high schools and universities. You don't believe the massive influx of Californians and their well established voting habits has nothing to do with this? It does but home grown leftists from those schools he mentioned probably has a bigger effect. |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: It does sound like California gun control but on steriods View Quote Its way worse than CA. It seems to ban 80-90% of all semi autos from what the various pro-gun orgs are saying. Certainly shit like semi shotguns and many hunting rifles as well. Unclear on the pistol thing but maybe those too. |
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Originally Posted By PorkchopSandwhiches: Scotus isn’t going to save shit View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PorkchopSandwhiches: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: COLORADO STATE SENATE https://i.ibb.co/L5Szz5D/IMG-1404.jpg Looks like CO is another state losing the 2nd Amendment. In before “the SCOTUS will save us”. Scotus isn’t going to save shit That was my point. Kavanaugh and Gorsuch are fine with the restrictions in the 1934 NFA and 1968 GCA (they said so during confirmation hearings) and Gorsuch just clarified that he is for machine gun bans. Kavanaugh does not like to rule on Founder’s intent but instead on precedent and Barrett ruled/sided with leftist SC judges on homemade guns. We only have Thomas as Trump’s “best people” weren’t the best as usual. |
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You all really going to let some grandmas and commies in suits take away your rights?
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Lol no. Colorado's population didn't double from home-grown sources. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: It does but home grown leftists from those schools he mentioned probably has a bigger effect. Lol no. Colorado's population didn't double from home-grown sources. It took 40 years to double. It was both. |
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Originally Posted By mancat: What's your problem? The influx fucked up the politics of most west coast states whether you want to admit it or not View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mancat: Originally Posted By realwar: Aww poor baby.. What's your problem? The influx fucked up the politics of most west coast states whether you want to admit it or not There were "Don't Californicate Oregon" bumper stickers at least as far back as the 1970s. It has been a West Coast problem for a long time. Except I bet the 1970s looney lefties would be considered conservatives nowadays. |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: It does sound like California gun control but on steriods View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Californians doing what Californians do. It does sound like California gun control but on steriods Colorado hysteria even appears to ban muzzle brakes on new sales. On both semi pistols & rifles. This won’t have any impact on criminal acquisition & misuse of firearms but will harass the law abiding enthusiasts and their progeny. It’s more than just symbolic, it’s hegemonic culturecide. |
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Its way worse than CA. It seems to ban 80-90% of all semi autos from what the various pro-gun orgs are saying. Certainly shit like semi shotguns and many hunting rifles as well. Unclear on the pistol thing but maybe those too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: It does sound like California gun control but on steriods Its way worse than CA. It seems to ban 80-90% of all semi autos from what the various pro-gun orgs are saying. Certainly shit like semi shotguns and many hunting rifles as well. Unclear on the pistol thing but maybe those too. The way it's currently written, it would outlaw transfer of semi auto pistols with threaded barrels. Seems very easy to get around that, if the vendors are willing to continue to ship threaded barrels. It seems to have been intending to target all the pistol things the ATF was recently trying to label as SBRs. AR, AK, Suit Scorpion and so forth. They have a list. IIRC, the list doesn't have any CCW pistols on it. Remember 15+ round mags are already "illegal to transfer" in Colorado. I've never heard of that law being enforced, outside of the fairly infamous competition scandal a few years back. IIRC, that was in the Boulder area. |
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Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: You don't believe the massive influx of Californians and their well established voting habits has nothing to do with this? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Originally Posted By Square66: And there it is. All California’s fault. I’m sure it has nothing to do with two generations of leftists being churned out under your noses in your own high schools and universities. You don't believe the massive influx of Californians and their well established voting habits has nothing to do with this? I sure do. All Californians are leftists... ...its proven fact |
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The threat is real...
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Originally Posted By Aimless: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14563/IMG_0996-3186566.jpg I haven't read the bill, that's a summary from earlier this year from a news web site. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Aimless: Originally Posted By Yojimbo: Well, that sucks. What exactly does the Colorado AWB do? I haven't read the bill, that's a summary from earlier this year from a news web site. Welcome to the party CO. |
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Originally Posted By hollywood387: Even a bolt action if it has DBM and a threaded barrel. It's a 2nd generation ban on virtually all firearms. You can keep what you have but you can never "transfer" them..... even to your heirs. H View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By hollywood387: Originally Posted By TheLookingGlass: So my old Remington 2+1 semi auto skeet gun is now an "assault weapon" in Colorado? Jesus Christ. Even a bolt action if it has DBM and a threaded barrel. It's a 2nd generation ban on virtually all firearms. You can keep what you have but you can never "transfer" them..... even to your heirs. H Reading the above post with some of the language + your post makes this a damn-near spitting image of the Cali ban language... ...but not even a 'bullet button' is allowed |
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The threat is real...
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Originally Posted By RIP-Yataski: Reading the above post with some of the language + your post makes this a damn-near spitting image of the Cali ban language... ...but not even a 'bullet button' is allowed View Quote And our Cali AW ban recently got ruled unconstitutional, so the CO AW should be ruled the same if it goes into law. |
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Originally Posted By RIP-Yataski: I sure do. All Californians are leftists... ...its proven fact View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RIP-Yataski: Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Originally Posted By Square66: And there it is. All California’s fault. I’m sure it has nothing to do with two generations of leftists being churned out under your noses in your own high schools and universities. You don't believe the massive influx of Californians and their well established voting habits has nothing to do with this? I sure do. All Californians are leftists... ...its proven fact True. California conservatives are not conservatives- a two minute conversation on political issues proves it every time. If they were conservative, and freedom was important to them, they wouldn’t live there. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: And our Cali AW ban recently got ruled unconstitutional, so the CO AW should be ruled the same if it goes into law. View Quote LOL, do you even understand how the circuit courts work? And no, your AWB was ruled unconstitutional, then that was overturned en banc. So you still have it and are fucked. I don't have much faith in the CO 10th circuit either or SCROTUS in general. |
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Originally Posted By Missilegeek: The way it's currently written, it would outlaw transfer of semi auto pistols with threaded barrels. Seems very easy to get around that, if the vendors are willing to continue to ship threaded barrels. It seems to have been intending to target all the pistol things the ATF was recently trying to label as SBRs. AR, AK, Suit Scorpion and so forth. They have a list. IIRC, the list doesn't have any CCW pistols on it. Remember 15+ round mags are already "illegal to transfer" in Colorado. I've never heard of that law being enforced, outside of the fairly infamous competition scandal a few years back. IIRC, that was in the Boulder area. View Quote The WA AWB that this is largely a copy of, technically does not ban AR uppers. It bans complete firearms with those features. Still, good luck getting a complete upper shipped to your door by PSA or others. Primary Arms is one of the few big online resellers that will ship, and you still have to sign a little waiver saying that you won't do bad stuff with it. No LGS I've been into still has complete uppers for sale that I've seen. The bigger problem is our new liability law that states the AG office can sue any out of state entity for selling a gun or gun accessory used in a crime. It's a double whammy in combination with the AWB Oh and our state AG is aggressively prosecuting shops selling full cap mags. Even though the ban was just ruled unconstitutional, the state had an emergency stay issued within 2 hours of the ruling, by a court COMMISSIONER - not even a judge. If you guys get an aggressive AG in office like ours who wants to enforce the mag ban or AWB, you're fucked |
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Originally Posted By MATTINFAIRBORN: There were "Don't Californicate Oregon" bumper stickers at least as far back as the 1970s. It has been a West Coast problem for a long time. Except I bet the 1970s looney lefties would be considered conservatives nowadays. View Quote The invasion of CO started in the 80's. Got really bad around 2000. Its not all CA, tons of New Yawka's and other east coast shitholes too, whom are arguably worse. |
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Originally Posted By hollywood387: Even a bolt action if it has DBM and a threaded barrel. It's a 2nd generation ban on virtually all firearms. You can keep what you have but you can never "transfer" them..... even to your heirs. H View Quote Honestly I don't read it like this, it specifies semi-autos for the features as I read it. IDK maybe I'm wrong. But seems like bolt action anything should be ok threaded barrel or otherwise. |
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: True. California conservatives are not conservatives- a two minute conversation on political issues proves it every time. If they were conservative, and freedom was important to them, they wouldn’t live there. View Quote I'd rather deal with the shit here than live in fucking Ohio. |
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So, tell me about the 10th Circuit.
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Preferred Pronoun: Space Lord Mutherfucker
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Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: So, tell me about the 10th Circuit. View Quote Not great really. We might luck out on a judge but odds are nope. About 1/4 are hard leftists appointed recently by Obummer/Biden. Another 1/4 look pretty left. The "right wing" appointments look "moderate" with a few exceptions. So... 75/25 we are probably fucked unless we luck out on one of the few hard right ones. whee |
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Originally Posted By mancat: The WA AWB that this is largely a copy of, technically does not ban AR uppers. It bans complete firearms with those features. Still, good luck getting a complete upper shipped to your door by PSA or others. Primary Arms is one of the few big online resellers that will ship, and you still have to sign a little waiver saying that you won't do bad stuff with it. No LGS I've been into still has complete uppers for sale that I've seen. The bigger problem is our new liability law that states the AG office can sue any out of state entity for selling a gun or gun accessory used in a crime. It's a double whammy in combination with the AWB Oh and our state AG is aggressively prosecuting shops selling full cap mags. Even though the ban was just ruled unconstitutional, the state had an emergency stay issued within 2 hours of the ruling, by a court COMMISSIONER - not even a judge. If you guys get an aggressive AG in office like ours who wants to enforce the mag ban or AWB, you're fucked View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mancat: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: The way it's currently written, it would outlaw transfer of semi auto pistols with threaded barrels. Seems very easy to get around that, if the vendors are willing to continue to ship threaded barrels. It seems to have been intending to target all the pistol things the ATF was recently trying to label as SBRs. AR, AK, Suit Scorpion and so forth. They have a list. IIRC, the list doesn't have any CCW pistols on it. Remember 15+ round mags are already "illegal to transfer" in Colorado. I've never heard of that law being enforced, outside of the fairly infamous competition scandal a few years back. IIRC, that was in the Boulder area. The WA AWB that this is largely a copy of, technically does not ban AR uppers. It bans complete firearms with those features. Still, good luck getting a complete upper shipped to your door by PSA or others. Primary Arms is one of the few big online resellers that will ship, and you still have to sign a little waiver saying that you won't do bad stuff with it. No LGS I've been into still has complete uppers for sale that I've seen. The bigger problem is our new liability law that states the AG office can sue any out of state entity for selling a gun or gun accessory used in a crime. It's a double whammy in combination with the AWB Oh and our state AG is aggressively prosecuting shops selling full cap mags. Even though the ban was just ruled unconstitutional, the state had an emergency stay issued within 2 hours of the ruling, by a court COMMISSIONER - not even a judge. If you guys get an aggressive AG in office like ours who wants to enforce the mag ban or AWB, you're fucked Good insight. I'm truly sorry to hear what has happened to your beautiful state and hope it can be turned around. We have a pretty strong tradition of the local Sheriff telling the State to get fucked on illegal gun laws. So I don't know who, where or how it's going to be enforced. |
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Not great really. We might luck out on a judge but odds are nope. whee View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: So, tell me about the 10th Circuit. Not great really. We might luck out on a judge but odds are nope. whee IMO, the entire purpose of the district and circuit courts, in this context, is to be a mechanism for appeal. The way things are going, I could see myself filing a case, as an individual. |
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Originally Posted By Missilegeek: IMO, the entire purpose of the district and circuit courts, in this context, is to be a mechanism for appeal. The way things are going, I could see myself filing a case, as an individual. View Quote Problem is it will take YEARS to get to the SCOTUS. At this point our best bets for any sort of resolution on this shit are the 4th circuit (bianchi), but they are playing the waiting game, 9th cicrcus seems to be playing delay it as long as possible. 7 circuit is a fucking mess too. SCOTUS wise, the left is grasping at the straw that several judges have put in about "particularly dangerous weapons" which people on the right took to mean NFA stuff. But who the fuck knows how it will turn out, and thats assuming it goes to the SCOUTS while we have a sort-of majority. |
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Originally Posted By Falcon09: My family has vacationed in Pagosa Springs, CO every Christmas for the last 12 years. We won't be going back We went to Pinetop, AZ one year and they had snow at Christmas, we will probably start going to somewhere around there or maybe Ruidoso, NM, at least until they screw up their 2a. View Quote Texans vacationing in all the mountains states is no different than liberals moving into them. You’re both no good and not wanted. |
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Your painted rifle is ugly, but I’m uglier, so send it to me and I’ll make it look good!
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California. You can ski and surf in the same day!
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Salute the Marines.
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Big difference between a conservative and a constitutionalist.
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Originally Posted By mancat: Same shit here I travel to CA a lot for work. About five years back or so I overhear a conversation between three boomer aged California couples in the waiting area for my flight. They hit it off over something they had in common: all three were flying out to WA to look at properties. All thee then exclaimed "wow!!" when they realized they were all going to look in the same area of WA - right where I live. The area of WA I live in has grown tremendously since we bought our place around 12 years ago. Almost every new house that has gone up on our once quiet road sold to someone from California View Quote The offspring of the Seattle grunge turds that moved to CA and ruined us are going back home where they belong. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: I'd rather deal with the shit here than live in fucking Ohio. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: True. California conservatives are not conservatives- a two minute conversation on political issues proves it every time. If they were conservative, and freedom was important to them, they wouldn’t live there. I'd rather deal with the shit here than live in fucking Ohio. Enjoy dealing with your overpriced real estate, high taxes, gun control, illegal invasion, high crime, 3rd world cities, perverts, and leftists. |
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CompMag is going to see a sharp increase in business.
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Originally Posted By Millennial: https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2024A/bills/2024a_1292_eng.pdf The relevant bits: View Quote Colorado government is insane. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14563/IMG_0996-3186566.jpg I haven't read the bill, that's a summary from earlier this year from a news web site. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Aimless: Originally Posted By Yojimbo: Well, that sucks. What exactly does the Colorado AWB do? I haven't read the bill, that's a summary from earlier this year from a news web site. |
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Who wants to be my friend?
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: True. California conservatives are not conservatives- a two minute conversation on political issues proves it every time. If they were conservative, and freedom was important to them, they wouldn’t live there. View Quote Former Californian here. Never voted for a Democrat in my life. What makes you more ideologically pure than I am? Dying to hear this explanation. |
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