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Posted: 4/14/2024 11:39:05 AM EDT
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Drive your corneas!
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:15:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mban2: Considering Ben teaches the organization with the most combat experience in the world… I would say he knows what they need to know regarding getting hits on target fast Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mban2: Originally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By SV650Squid: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: At some point I wish all these guys would shoot in some big matches so we can really see which "systems" prevail. He might be an ass, but he is a skilled ass who can convey information in a simple to understand manner. How many gunfights has he survived? Has he ever served to see if his methods are effective on a two way range? Considering Ben teaches the organization with the most combat experience in the world… I would say he knows what they need to know regarding getting hits on target fast So…none? |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:20:02 PM EDT
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Intermediate influencer 2-gun course*. $2500
Requirements Prior completion of beginner social media course Aproved gear from the block 2 gucci list 4000 rounds pistol 4000 rounds carbine Sack lunch Participants will receive 10gb of photo and video ** of themselves and themselves in proximity to keynote personality or associates 1 signed photo of keynote personality suitable for framing Choice of beard, hair, or scalp care gift bag *this is not the "influencer level 2" course **Note the helicopter was on the old property and there will be no helicopter photo opportunities until further notice |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:20:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By testosteroneOD: I’ve taken a few of his classes. I learned a lot and improved quite a bit. He was helpful and seemed to care. I was the least experienced in our training classes and he spent extra time with me to make sure I learned and understood. Seems like this community just likes to tear people down and eat its own. It’s really disappointing. Well, yeah. Also, don’t forget that MOST of the posters here haven’t fired their firearm in over a month. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:24:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Well, yeah. Also, don’t forget that MOST of the posters here haven’t fired their firearm in over a month. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By testosteroneOD: I’ve taken a few of his classes. I learned a lot and improved quite a bit. He was helpful and seemed to care. I was the least experienced in our training classes and he spent extra time with me to make sure I learned and understood. Seems like this community just likes to tear people down and eat its own. It’s really disappointing. Well, yeah. Also, don’t forget that MOST of the posters here haven’t fired their firearm in over a month. Nah, everyone here dry fires ten hours a day, has 20 handguns and shoots 30,000 rounds a year through each of them. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:25:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By merick: Intermediate influencer 2-gun course*. $2500 Requirements Prior completion of beginner social media course Aproved gear from the block 2 gucci list 4000 rounds pistol 4000 rounds carbine Sack lunch Participants will receive 10gb of photo and video ** of themselves and themselves in proximity to keynote personality or associates 1 signed photo of keynote personality suitable for framing Choice of beard, hair, or scalp care gift bag *this is not the "influencer level 2" course **Note the helicopter was on the old property and there will be no helicopter photo opportunities until further notice 
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:28:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RIP-Yataski: What is an occular scientist?... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/350291/E243395C-D723-4082-A116-9FB77DD7B0BC-2884133.jpg  This thread made me feel dumb ..For a few seconds. 
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:30:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By merick: Intermediate influencer 2-gun course*. $2500 Requirements Prior completion of beginner social media course Aproved gear from the block 2 gucci list 4000 rounds pistol 4000 rounds carbine Sack lunch Participants will receive 10gb of photo and video ** of themselves and themselves in proximity to keynote personality or associates 1 signed photo of keynote personality suitable for framing Choice of beard, hair, or scalp care gift bag *this is not the "influencer level 2" course **Note the helicopter was on the old property and there will be no helicopter photo opportunities until further notice Lol You will be a trained gunfighter and killer upon graduation. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 12:46:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LongTrang]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Nah, everyone here dry fires ten hours a day, has 20 handguns and shoots 30,000 rounds a year through each of them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By testosteroneOD: I’ve taken a few of his classes. I learned a lot and improved quite a bit. He was helpful and seemed to care. I was the least experienced in our training classes and he spent extra time with me to make sure I learned and understood. Seems like this community just likes to tear people down and eat its own. It’s really disappointing. Well, yeah. Also, don’t forget that MOST of the posters here haven’t fired their firearm in over a month. Nah, everyone here dry fires ten hours a day, has 20 handguns and shoots 30,000 rounds a year through each of them. lol It's ARFCOM GD. The website of "rich" blowhards who would rather eat their own because they have nothing better to do after fucking their supermodel wives. So, they bitch about instructors, techniques, etc and glom onto whatever "instructor" fits THEIR lifestyle all the while posting recliner threads with their guts and nasty ass feet. GD bitches, GD doesn't train. Internet is serious business. Stay true GD!  ETA: Not taken seriously. If you do, well..... |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:16:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: So…none? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By mban2: Originally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By SV650Squid: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: At some point I wish all these guys would shoot in some big matches so we can really see which "systems" prevail. He might be an ass, but he is a skilled ass who can convey information in a simple to understand manner. How many gunfights has he survived? Has he ever served to see if his methods are effective on a two way range? Considering Ben teaches the organization with the most combat experience in the world… I would say he knows what they need to know regarding getting hits on target fast So…none? Lots of crappy shooters have survived gunfights. These threads always go the same way. The highest level soldiers have been hiring competition shooters to train them for a long time and it kicked into high gear with GWOT. Yet we still see it'll get you killed in the streets mentality. Competition like USPSA doesn't care how you do it as long as you follow some basic safety rules. You can't fake it. Stoeger is known to be one of the best shooters in the world is Haley? Obviously there's a lot to comparing people who are vastly different and no perfect way to do it but I'm a believer of competition weeding out a lot of the bullshit. I don't think Haley is a fraud at all I just think he's down a rabbit hole that might not benefit most people. No different than people with no skills buying expensive guns thinking it will make the difference. I think Travis is smart and hope he continues to really push the knowledge on this stuff I just don't think most people need to go down the rabbit hole. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:38:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: StevenH]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Lots of crappy shooters have survived gunfights. These threads always go the same way. The highest level soldiers have been hiring competition shooters to train them for a long time and it kicked into high gear with GWOT. Yet we still see it'll get you killed in the streets mentality. Competition like USPSA doesn't care how you do it as long as you follow some basic safety rules. You can't fake it. Stoeger is known to be one of the best shooters in the world is Haley? Obviously there's a lot to comparing people who are vastly different and no perfect way to do it but I'm a believer of competition weeding out a lot of the bullshit. I don't think Haley is a fraud at all I just think he's down a rabbit hole that might not benefit most people. No different than people with no skills buying expensive guns thinking it will make the difference. I think Travis is smart and hope he continues to really push the knowledge on this stuff I just don't think most people need to go down the rabbit hole. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By mban2: Originally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By SV650Squid: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: At some point I wish all these guys would shoot in some big matches so we can really see which "systems" prevail. He might be an ass, but he is a skilled ass who can convey information in a simple to understand manner. How many gunfights has he survived? Has he ever served to see if his methods are effective on a two way range? Considering Ben teaches the organization with the most combat experience in the world… I would say he knows what they need to know regarding getting hits on target fast So…none? Lots of crappy shooters have survived gunfights. These threads always go the same way. The highest level soldiers have been hiring competition shooters to train them for a long time and it kicked into high gear with GWOT. Yet we still see it'll get you killed in the streets mentality. Competition like USPSA doesn't care how you do it as long as you follow some basic safety rules. You can't fake it. Stoeger is known to be one of the best shooters in the world is Haley? Obviously there's a lot to comparing people who are vastly different and no perfect way to do it but I'm a believer of competition weeding out a lot of the bullshit. I don't think Haley is a fraud at all I just think he's down a rabbit hole that might not benefit most people. No different than people with no skills buying expensive guns thinking it will make the difference. I think Travis is smart and hope he continues to really push the knowledge on this stuff I just don't think most people need to go down the rabbit hole. There’s shooting (marksmanship). You find the best shooters in the Olympics and the national matches. There’s gunfighting: which is tactics, movement, cover, communication, judgment, problem solving. “Tactical” firearms courses are usually attended by people trying to learn gunfighting not marksmanship. The military, already knowing gunfighting, sometimes do use civilian instructors to improve marksmanship. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:38:58 PM EDT
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Ocular-ballistic performance, pushing human limits in all domains in the strive for excellence |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:45:19 PM EDT
[#13]
Visual Neuroscience
It is a field of study. The few guys I’ve known in it probably had IQ’s around the 200 range. Bill Gates and the like were trying to recruit them in the 90’s because it plays a major role in the way we process information from a computer screen |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 1:47:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: At some point I wish all these guys would shoot in some big matches so we can really see which “systems” prevail. This. Let them fight. We will follow the winner to battle
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Posted: 4/14/2024 2:09:01 PM EDT
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I've taken a Haley class. It helped immensely. I understood and saw where the science applied.
Different methods for different people. I missed the Glover class here due to injury, but I suspect it would have been completely different. Yet still very beneficial. Lovell is on the short list. Again, I'm sure it'll be different but I'll take away a ton of new and differently presented information. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 2:09:49 PM EDT
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Some guys go to the gym and lift and do whatever.
Some go with a routine. Some go with a routine and eat protein. Some go to the gym, eat protein, take vitamins and minerals, and tailor their diets, routines, and supplements based on the latest science. Guess which group likely progresses the best? Doesn't mean it's needed for everyone. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 2:30:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Visual Neuroscience It is a field of study. The few guys I’ve known in it probably had IQ’s around the 200 range. Bill Gates and the like were trying to recruit them in the 90’s because it plays a major role in the way we process information from a computer screen This. I’m no expert, but the science of seeing is valid from a human performance standpoint. Seeing, and knowing how to see, is step 1 in many athletic events. Hitting a baseball…players spend huge time on eye exercises to link what you need to see to where it is in space to calculating the time and place to connect the bat to the ball…which all starts with seeing. It works. I’ve seen the results where guys were able to hit pebbles in the air with the shaft of a golf club…and guys who hadn’t had the visual acuity courses couldn’t do it. It applies to gunfight skills just as well, regardless of who teaches what. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 2:54:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mah_lee: Ocular-ballistic performance, pushing human limits in all domains in the strive for excellence |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 3:31:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: There’s shooting (marksmanship). You find the best shooters in the Olympics and the national matches. There’s gunfighting: which is tactics, movement, cover, communication, judgment, problem solving. “Tactical” firearms courses are usually attended by people trying to learn gunfighting not marksmanship. The military, already knowing gunfighting, sometimes do use civilian instructors to improve marksmanship. So in the context of firearms training which this thread is about what is your point? Why bring up whether he has survived gunfights? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 4:23:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RIP-Yataski: What is an occular scientist?... It means she looks good.  Attached File |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 4:34:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: How many gunfights has he survived? Has he ever served to see if his methods are effective on a two way range? That would be relevant if BS taught tactics. He is or was a competition shooter and stays in his lane however. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 4:39:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ecgRN: I've taken a Haley class. It helped immensely. I understood and saw where the science applied. Different methods for different people. I missed the Glover class here due to injury, but I suspect it would have been completely different. Yet still very beneficial. Lovell is on the short list. Again, I'm sure it'll be different but I'll take away a ton of new and differently presented information. Glover is a complete fucking clown. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 4:40:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RePp]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rem700PSS: Some guys go to the gym and lift and do whatever. Some go with a routine. Some go with a routine and eat protein. Some go to the gym, eat protein, take vitamins and minerals, and tailor their diets, routines, and supplements based on the latest science. Guess which group likely progresses the best? Doesn't mean it's needed for everyone. I think the guy not taking protein might be screwed. Also where’s the dude not fucking around who went right to the anabolic? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 4:48:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: Glover is a complete fucking clown. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: Originally Posted By ecgRN: I've taken a Haley class. It helped immensely. I understood and saw where the science applied. Different methods for different people. I missed the Glover class here due to injury, but I suspect it would have been completely different. Yet still very beneficial. Lovell is on the short list. Again, I'm sure it'll be different but I'll take away a ton of new and differently presented information. Glover is a complete fucking clown. Why do you say that? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 4:53:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Ascent-: Why do you say that? Because of his completely shilling attitude, terrible reputation, things he’s said about training (example would be dry firing is a waste of time) also him giving his list of clients for that end of the world thing to the FBI. All of that compared to the long list of decent instructors makes him not even a consideration even if it was a short list. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 5:04:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: Because of his completely shilling attitude, terrible reputation, things he’s said about training (example would be dry firing is a waste of time) also him giving his list of clients for that end of the world thing to the FBI. All of that compared to the long list of decent instructors makes him not even a consideration even if it was a short list. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: Originally Posted By -Ascent-: Why do you say that? Because of his completely shilling attitude, terrible reputation, things he’s said about training (example would be dry firing is a waste of time) also him giving his list of clients for that end of the world thing to the FBI. All of that compared to the long list of decent instructors makes him not even a consideration even if it was a short list. Is this first hand experience or just stuff from the internet? Just curious I have no dog in the fight. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 5:13:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: All of that compared to the long list of decent instructors makes him not even a consideration even if it was a short list. I want to see that thread. Of these 5 or 6 goofs, who would be your least worst choice?
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Posted: 4/14/2024 5:14:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Ascent-: Is this first hand experience or just stuff from the internet? Just curious I have no dog in the fight. I have seen videos he’s posted to social media of his training/shooting and it’s painfully bad. Like the not believing in dry fire was just the one that stuck with me the most. His overall persona is just a giant red flag. Think there was even a thread here about the FBI getting a list of his clients when they said he was a terrorist. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 5:18:49 PM EDT
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Travis knows that snake oil sells. Always has, always will.
Deep down, people will always pay to be lied to. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 5:23:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: Exactly. It was funny when these guys were popular and they all had their own cute phrases for everything. Chris and Travis said institutional inertia and Pat Mac said institutional inbreeding. It meant the exact same thing but you have to be unique to sell a product. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 5:42:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: I have seen videos he’s posted to social media of his training/shooting and it’s painfully bad. Like the not believing in dry fire was just the one that stuck with me the most. His overall persona is just a giant red flag. Think there was even a thread here about the FBI getting a list of his clients when they said he was a terrorist. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: Originally Posted By -Ascent-: Is this first hand experience or just stuff from the internet? Just curious I have no dog in the fight. I have seen videos he’s posted to social media of his training/shooting and it’s painfully bad. Like the not believing in dry fire was just the one that stuck with me the most. His overall persona is just a giant red flag. Think there was even a thread here about the FBI getting a list of his clients when they said he was a terrorist. Interesting. It just seems that everyone finds something to hate about people in the shooting space. I definitely disagree on the dry fire thing and I’m curious about the FBI issue. If he was forced to, if they seized it or he voluntarily gave it up. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 6:00:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ken_mays: I want to see that thread. Of these 5 or 6 goofs, who would be your least worst choice? I do think Stoeger would be a very good instructor. Same as xray alpha even if they talk shit they can burn it down. Joe Dawson at bruiser industries for everything from pistols to long range. Kagwerks is also good. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 6:04:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: It was funny when these guys were popular and they all had their own cute phrases for everything. Chris and Travis said institutional inertia and Pat Mac said institutional inbreeding. It meant the exact same thing but you have to be unique to sell a product. I mean Pat bagging on range theatrics while performing next level theatrics of his own was kinda confusing. I would like to say I’m sure there’s tons to learn from any of these guys. It’s the marketing ploy or ways to be unique that gets a little off the rails. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 6:24:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Missilegeek]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JimEN: I saw that too. Hailey ... seems to talk like he thinks he's way smarter than he actually is. I get the same impression. Seems to have a huge ego as well. A former dumb jock type who is reformed and tried a bit too hard to be, or at least be viewed as, smart. Stoeger might be the biggest and best troll in the gun community. Looks like he reads at about the 8th grade level, which is hilarious. Never met any of these guys, and at the end of the day don't care. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 6:31:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Travis is paying it, not Lucas or any of us, so what does it matter? Not only that, if he learns anything of usefulness, someone will copy it soon and it’ll be disseminated pretty fast. But someone’s got to do the research. Teaching isn’t just telling people things you’ve picked up over the years. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Advance: Lucas' comment was lol worthy (even though he probably shouldn't have inserted himself into the conversation). https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screenshot_2024-04-14_104340_png-3187645.JPG Travis is paying it, not Lucas or any of us, so what does it matter? Not only that, if he learns anything of usefulness, someone will copy it soon and it’ll be disseminated pretty fast. But someone’s got to do the research. Teaching isn’t just telling people things you’ve picked up over the years. The seemingly obvious, yet unstated point is that there's a 99% chance that Travis is full of shit. He probably doesn't have 3 ocular scientists on his staff. Whatever the fuck that even is. The obvious issue there is, the guy is a bullshitter and who wants to go get expensive training from someone who spews BS? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 6:32:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AJE]
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I laughed out loud at the video where Ben and Travis are in the same discussion and Travis talks about the amount of time he spends on something in class and Ben laughs at him. "What the fuck?"
skip to 36:45ish  Pranka/Stoeger vs Haley/Blue Just him wearing those glasses makes me laugh as well. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 6:51:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: I laughed out loud at the video where Ben and Travis are in the same discussion and Travis talks about the amount of time he spends on something in class and Ben laughs at him. "What the fuck?" skip to 36:45ish  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODw1RiW8EggJust him wearing those glasses makes me laugh as well. That is hilarious. Wannabe nerd meets troll who happens to be wearing sun glasses, in what looks to be a basement with the shades curtains closed. Haley talks for 30 seconds... Ben "you mean to say align your body to the target and the gun will follow" why complicate it? Haley "Brother look, I'd love to have you come down here, take a class and look at my laboratory." Top. Men. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:02:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: The seemingly obvious, yet unstated point is that there's a 99% chance that Travis is full of shit. He probably doesn't have 3 ocular scientists on his staff. Whatever the fuck that even is. The obvious issue there is, the guy is a bullshitter and who wants to go get expensive training from someone who spews BS? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Advance: Lucas' comment was lol worthy (even though he probably shouldn't have inserted himself into the conversation). https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screenshot_2024-04-14_104340_png-3187645.JPG Travis is paying it, not Lucas or any of us, so what does it matter? Not only that, if he learns anything of usefulness, someone will copy it soon and it’ll be disseminated pretty fast. But someone’s got to do the research. Teaching isn’t just telling people things you’ve picked up over the years. The seemingly obvious, yet unstated point is that there's a 99% chance that Travis is full of shit. He probably doesn't have 3 ocular scientists on his staff. Whatever the fuck that even is. The obvious issue there is, the guy is a bullshitter and who wants to go get expensive training from someone who spews BS? What basis do you have to say he’s full of shit? |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:07:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: What basis do you have to say he’s full of shit? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Advance: Lucas' comment was lol worthy (even though he probably shouldn't have inserted himself into the conversation). https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screenshot_2024-04-14_104340_png-3187645.JPG Travis is paying it, not Lucas or any of us, so what does it matter? Not only that, if he learns anything of usefulness, someone will copy it soon and it’ll be disseminated pretty fast. But someone’s got to do the research. Teaching isn’t just telling people things you’ve picked up over the years. The seemingly obvious, yet unstated point is that there's a 99% chance that Travis is full of shit. He probably doesn't have 3 ocular scientists on his staff. Whatever the fuck that even is. The obvious issue there is, the guy is a bullshitter and who wants to go get expensive training from someone who spews BS? What basis do you have to say he’s full of shit? Common sense and logic. It seems very unlikely that he employs 3 ocular scientists full time. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:13:48 PM EDT
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I barely knew who Ben was and took a class with him a few weeks ago. Guy seemed really down to earth and made it fun. He sees the same types of mistakes from students week after week and still paid attention to us and wasn’t a dick in correcting us.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:15:11 PM EDT
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If I went to a shooting class with Travis Haley and they made me spend 4-5 hours in a classroom before we shot a round, I would consider it a waste of time.
I've watched alot of Ben's videos and I've learned quite a bit, even buying his dry fire books. I'm not interested in the science or the why. Just demonstrate techniques and skillsets that will help me improve as a shooter. If you want me to be target focused, that's fine, just demonstrate it....I dont need a 2 hours dissertation about eye muscles, corneas, or blood flow. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:15:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: macman37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Common sense and logic. It seems very unlikely that he employs 3 ocular scientists full time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Advance: Lucas' comment was lol worthy (even though he probably shouldn't have inserted himself into the conversation). https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screenshot_2024-04-14_104340_png-3187645.JPG Travis is paying it, not Lucas or any of us, so what does it matter? Not only that, if he learns anything of usefulness, someone will copy it soon and it’ll be disseminated pretty fast. But someone’s got to do the research. Teaching isn’t just telling people things you’ve picked up over the years. The seemingly obvious, yet unstated point is that there's a 99% chance that Travis is full of shit. He probably doesn't have 3 ocular scientists on his staff. Whatever the fuck that even is. The obvious issue there is, the guy is a bullshitter and who wants to go get expensive training from someone who spews BS? What basis do you have to say he’s full of shit? Common sense and logic. It seems very unlikely that he employs 3 ocular scientists full time. We’re basing this on something T Rex Arms said, not what I or (from the thread) Travis said. So there’s that. I’m just saying there might be a reason why “ocular scientists” could be employed by an instructor doing the work to impart quality knowledge to their students. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:19:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: Trainer cat fighting doesn't really mean anything Interesting they have selected the guy that literally won a modern day overseas Alamo event for their first target, so to speak. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:21:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Common sense and logic. It seems very unlikely that he employs 3 ocular scientists full time. This is the correct answer. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:22:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Switchback_Arms]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SV650Squid: In any case, Stoeger is an actual world champion. He might be an ass, but he is a skilled ass who can convey information in a simple to understand manner. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SV650Squid: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: At some point I wish all these guys would shoot in some big matches so we can really see which "systems" prevail. He might be an ass, but he is a skilled ass who can convey information in a simple to understand manner. This, I find his videos entertaining and informative I'd still love to take classes from either, I'm of the opinion I can learn from anyone. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:25:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AJE: I laughed out loud at the video where Ben and Travis are in the same discussion and Travis talks about the amount of time he spends on something in class and Ben laughs at him. "What the fuck?" skip to 36:45ish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODw1RiW8EggJust him wearing those glasses makes me laugh as well. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:29:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: We’re basing this on something T Rex Arms said, not what I or (from the thread) Travis said... No. In the first 30 seconds of the Video in the second post Haley says "We have 3 ocular scientists on staff" |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:32:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: This is the correct answer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Common sense and logic. It seems very unlikely that he employs 3 ocular scientists full time. This is the correct answer. Having someone on staff doesn't mean they are full time employees on site. Could be a part time or on call employee that have an agreement with. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:37:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Having someone on staff doesn't mean they are full time employees on site. Could be a part time or on call employee that have an agreement with. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By RePp: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Common sense and logic. It seems very unlikely that he employs 3 ocular scientists full time. This is the correct answer. Having someone on staff doesn't mean they are full time employees on site. Could be a part time or on call employee that have an agreement with. Context matters. What was said in context heavily implies full time employment. I have no doubt that this is how TH will try to walk it back. He will just say well we've consulted 3 ocular scientists. That is what he should have just said to start with. This is what used car salesmen and bullshitters do all the time. Bloviate, and mostly don't get called out on it. Then if they are called out, it's "well what I actually meant was...(insert something different than what they said)". |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 7:41:58 PM EDT
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Is the .mil and .gov Haley's primary customers?
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