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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:11:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CyberSlacker: Agreed ! I was always proud to be a member of a forum, with like minded people, but members thinking, it is right, lying to cover your ass, HUMMM. not so proud now.  This country is in a mess and that kind of thinking is responsible for that. So before you call yourself a patriotic American, look in the mirror, then delete your profile, so we can be proud of this forum again... PLEASE help this country, instead of adding to the selfishness that is ruining it for responsible people. TIP for all members: if you have kids or friends with kids, once they get to be your age, would you be PROUD of them if they handled issues the way you do, or did in the past? if your honest answer is NO, then there still is hope for you, do what is right, "when there is doubt there is NO doubt" (movie Ronin) So proud to be a member that you posted a whole 137 times in 23 years.....lol |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:15:13 AM EDT
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$1 cash money says the AD has lingering pain in his fingers and $150,000 will make them feel better.
If the AD driver is smart, or talks to someone at Amazon, they're going to sue you personally for negligence. I would assume there's a few lawyers that the drivers all use in these cases. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:20:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jack19]
[#3]
Nevermind.
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:21:09 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KoolOperator: What kind of weirdo leaves the front door of the house wide open.  People who sleep with bugs in their home. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:21:50 AM EDT
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I get a message before every Amazon delivered Amazon delivery asking me to secure pets.
Your dog, your responsibility. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:24:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: People who sleep with bugs in their home. I have a buddy that lives in the Black Forest area of Colorado Springs, there just aren’t many bugs there. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:24:57 AM EDT
[#7]
Breed of Peace.
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:25:13 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tsg68: Dog was on private property, fenced and posted. What the fuck else do you want? Less civil liability from bite cases.
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:26:12 AM EDT
[#9]
Finish watching the Fallout series ASAP.
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:27:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Meathook]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eracer: One thing I don't understand is why AG didn't have time to get behind the gate when he saw the dog running at him. Is the dog that fast? Did AG not see the dog? Is the gate 6 feet from the front door? Did AG think the dog was coming for a treat and a pat on the head? I worked for UPS in a past life never was a driver but when I was in management and during the holidays delivered my share of packages. Dogs seem to know exactly how long it will take you to get back to the gate. They don't make a sound or come at you until they know you can't make it. When I was at UPS we had the old style DIAD (delivery computers) boards that were the size of a big clip board. The technique was to shove it in the dogs mouth. It is a hazard of the business. My guess is at most Amazon will contact the OP to check vaccination status and discuss how to deliver in the future. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:27:45 AM EDT
[#11]
honestly the question you should be asking yourself is - why do you own a dangerous dog that bites people? that seems like a pretty big liability and not worth the belly rubs.
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:28:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: "It wasn't our dog. We saw a dog bite the amazon guy and rendered first aid". Take your beware of dog sign down now and police the yard for for every piece of dog poop you can find. Anything the AG testifies about thinking it was your dog is to be taken with suspicious as he was just in a traumatic incident and possibly suffering from shock. Or be prepared to put your dog down when the man comes knocking. So make him a liar too?  What if the OP has morals?
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:29:52 AM EDT
[#13]
I was right.
Amazon doesn't have any drivers. The drivers work for a DSP, Delivery Service Provider, basically a captive contractor. And after the FedEx fiasco, those drivers are employees of that DSP, no 1099 BS going on anymore. I imagine Amazon has an in-house WC program to keep costs down. I also imagine you'll be contacted too. Where it goes from there is anyone's guess. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:35:28 AM EDT
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3 different experiences in the same state:
My nephew was bit on his face buy an aggressive dog. His face was torn pretty badly. He was compensated about $125K, med expenses paid, and dog put down. My sister got an attorney and pressed for compensation. Another instance, almost exactly like OP's....FED EX guy came in, "beware of dog" signs posted. The FED EX guy was kinda dramatic, called the cops. The cops sided with the homeowner because of the signs and fencing. The only repercussion is that FED EX won't deliver to that house. Similair but different situation - I live on a 2 track road along a lakeside. Only 4 houses in 2 miles of road. The road is very narrow, no way can 2 cars pass each other. A neighbor at the entrance end is a little nutty about road speed. For good reason we don't want folks speeding down this road, but he takes it overboard. He confronted a speeding FED EX driver with a hammer in his hand, he was pretty ugly about it. The Sherrif came out and warned him. FEDEX, UPS, and USPS will very RARELY come down our road anymore. 99% of the time we all have to go into town for packages. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:38:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AaronR: dog bite puncture wounds carry about 15-20% risk to become infected; hopefully he sought attention from a medical provider and was prescribed Augmentin for prophylaxis I came to post the same about antibiotics, except I would have thought it was higher than that. If he doesn't take care of the bites you probably could have trouble. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:41:13 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ODA_564: I get a message before every Amazon delivered Amazon delivery asking me to secure pets. Your dog, your responsibility. The dog was behind a gate and fence. How is that not responsible? |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:42:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Rocky41]
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Your dog should be labeled as dangerous and aggressive if it attacks and bites someone. If I were the delivery guy I would sue you personally, my neighbor down the street got a $250,000 settlement from a neighbors Home Owners insurance because his pit bull was loose and attacked her, killed her dog and bit her.
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:44:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Rocky41]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bionicmonkey: honestly the question you should be asking yourself is - why do you own a dangerous dog that bites people? that seems like a pretty big liability and not worth the belly rubs. This |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:47:00 AM EDT
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People saying they shouldn't own a dog that bites..........give me a break. I guess people who have dogs as part of their security should give them tasers?
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:48:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By batmanacw: The dog was behind a gate and fence. How is that not responsible? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By batmanacw: Originally Posted By ODA_564: I get a message before every Amazon delivered Amazon delivery asking me to secure pets. Your dog, your responsibility. The dog was behind a gate and fence. How is that not responsible? A good lawyer can make that gate/fence disappear. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:50:39 AM EDT
[#21]
Just think if the dog was a pit people would be wanting to kill the dog and owner.
No not a pit owner. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:52:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redseven11b: What breed of dog? That'll define this entire thread 
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:52:26 AM EDT
[#23]
In my area if reported they will ask for shot paperwork and to see the dog. This comes from an er visit thst gets reported .
On a note that I will get flamed on. What did the dog do wrong. It say someone entering your property and bit them. Why wouldn't all robbers just were an Amazon jacket when robbing so they won't get bit if a dog can tell the difference. Not the dogs fault. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:53:12 AM EDT
[#24]
Aw shit, sorry OP.
I imagine your course will be dictated for you, for the most part. Good luck and please post updates. Same thing could happen to many of us. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:54:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: I'm not sure the beware of dog sign will be helpful. I would expect you to be liable for medical costs and lost time at work |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:57:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gulftanker: Yeah, shots are all current. If he'd mentioned wanting to go to the urgent care, we'd have offered to handle it. He didn't seem like he was hurt too bad and was mostly interested in getting back to his route. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gulftanker: Originally Posted By whiskerz: What breed of dog? Is the dog up to date on shots? If he wants to see a doc pay the bill out of pocket. Having a dangerous dog can seriously impact your homeowners insurance. Yeah, shots are all current. If he'd mentioned wanting to go to the urgent care, we'd have offered to handle it. He didn't seem like he was hurt too bad and was mostly interested in getting back to his route. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:00:42 AM EDT
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You really should report this to your Insurance Carrier and get it on record, if not they may not cover you down the road if you are sued. Here the dog would be labeled as dangerous since it bit someone. Read the fine print on your Home Owners policy.
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:02:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By batmanacw: All you lawyers missed the part where the dog was inside a gate with a warning that there is a dog inside. The guy entered a space with a dog in it. If you think that removes the owner's liability for his dog's actions, I've got some bad news for you. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:03:28 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By batmanacw: Exactly. The driver entered a fenced space with a dog. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:21:02 AM EDT
[#30]
Man enters gated yard and gets bit sounds like its the drivers fault for
not calling you I get calls for about 1/3 of amazon drops I am close please put your dogs in or I am at your gate where do you want your package. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:27:18 AM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By Gulftanker: The facts: We do have a Beware of the Dog sign on the fence next to the gate. Amazon Guy (AG) whistled before opening the gate, but the dog was upstairs and it took him a few seconds to run downstairs and bound out the open front door (which you can't see from the gate). AG was inside the gate when the dog bit his hand. The bite drew blood, enough to drip on the walkway. Looked like at least 3 punctures on his finger(s). We kenneled the dog and brought AG in the house to get him cleaned up and bandaged. He was very decent about it, said it's happened before, didn't seem too upset at all and was very glad we cared enough to get him bandaged up because a lot of people wouldn't bother. Dog has never bitten anyone before. He said he does have to do paperwork about the incident. Will Amazon try to hold us liable for the workman's comp claim/medical/pain/suffering etc? It seemed like AG didn't want to make an issue about it, but people can always change their mind later. Douglas County, Colorado, if that matters. Should I pepper my angus? you're about to get fucked really hard in the ass with no lube or reach around. you advertised that you have a dangerous animal and you let that animal attack a service worker |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:28:40 AM EDT
[#32]
If I was delivering packages for Amazon and I see a closed gate with a "Beware of Dog" sign, the package is probably getting dropped at the gate.
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:40:23 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Col_Sanders: If I was delivering packages for Amazon and I see a closed gate with a "Beware of Dog" sign, the package is probably getting dropped at the gate. Then they get a complaint that the package was left out on the street and not properly delivered. Those guys can't catch a break. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:40:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shadycoh: Man enters gated yard and gets bit sounds like its the drivers fault for not calling you I get calls for about 1/3 of amazon drops I am close please put your dogs in or I am at your gate where do you want your package. Keep thinking that........but you hear that whooshing sound? That's Morgan & Morgan's Falcon 50 flying over your house for another payday. Them fat jets ain't cheap. Think it was Aimless that said dog bites were the easiest cases, pretty much open' n shut. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:48:49 AM EDT
[#35]
We have a verbally abusive Akita mix that has scared some neighbors. Especially due to the fact we have an invisible fence systems so she looks like she's loose outside. I have the invisible fence sign up and a delivery box set up a few feet outside the fence line. Seems to work fine.
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:50:22 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azjeeper: "Beware of dog". Why, because you knew he was aggressive? Playing devil's advocate, a lawywer would ask this question. EXACTLY. Never put that sign up. It states YOU KNEW you had a public MENACE. You literally screwed yourself from the gitgo |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:51:33 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyMattel: I was right. Amazon doesn't have any drivers. The drivers work for a DSP, Delivery Service Provider, basically a captive contractor. And after the FedEx fiasco, those drivers are employees of that DSP, no 1099 BS going on anymore. I imagine Amazon has an in-house WC program to keep costs down. I also imagine you'll be contacted too. Where it goes from there is anyone's guess. correct except amazon wont call, the delivery company will. they are separate |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:56:45 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kent: This. The sign could be taken as evidence that you knew the dog was dangerous and yet did nothing to prevent people from getting injured by your "dangerous" dog. "Beware of dog" sign has the same effect as those "not responsible for broken windshields" signs on the back of gravel trucks. In neither case do the signs provide any liability reduction for the owner. That's not exactly true. "I have the sign because all dogs are unpredictable". The sign won't absolve him of liability, but it does indeed help his case, as it puts people on notice that a dog is present. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:58:15 AM EDT
[#39]
OP - if someone calls you, don't discuss the case on the phone.
Do you know how difficult it could be to prove that this was your dog, at your house? You don't want a lawyer going to court, saying: "Judge, he admitted that he owned this wild dog -AND- that his dog bit the Defendant!" Don't admit that you live at that address, that you own a dog, that your dog has been vaccinated, that you can spell the word "dog", or anything else. And don't lie. It's all being recorded. Just pretend it's a telemarketer, say "man, I think you got the wrong person", and hang up. If they sue you (doubtful), you'll receive court notice of a lawsuit. Turn it over to your homeowners insurance to manage it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:59:02 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyMattel: A good lawyer can make that gate/fence disappear. No. That isn't how this works lol |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:01:07 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azjeeper: "Beware of dog". Why, because you knew he was aggressive? Playing devil's advocate, a lawywer would ask this question. I’ve seen this in court before. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:02:12 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mrrick: correct except amazon wont call, the delivery company will. they are separate Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mrrick: Originally Posted By MattyMattel: I was right. Amazon doesn't have any drivers. The drivers work for a DSP, Delivery Service Provider, basically a captive contractor. And after the FedEx fiasco, those drivers are employees of that DSP, no 1099 BS going on anymore. I imagine Amazon has an in-house WC program to keep costs down. I also imagine you'll be contacted too. Where it goes from there is anyone's guess. correct except amazon wont call, the delivery company will. they are separate Yep! Or their WC provider. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:02:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: NoFnNamesLeft]
[#43]
We have delivery instructions to leave stuff at the gate, and do not enter the property.
(Invisible fence, open gate) We still get AG’s (especially contract workers) that don’t heed the instructions. Out of all the carriers that drop stuff off, Amazon has the absolute worst trained drivers in regards to interaction with dogs. If they’d redirect some DEI training over to some basic dog psychology and sociality, they’d be able save a lot of trouble vs. sending disposable ‘tards that wind up escalating the situation. I’d lay the responsibility for OP’s situation back on Amazon, for their disregard in preparing employees for expected workplace hazards. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:06:11 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flathead9: No. That isn't how this works lol Like kids jumping a fence into a swimming pool? High $$$ lawyer vs you? |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:07:35 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bubbles: If he doesn't his WC insurance company will. Afterward your homeowner's insurance will probably tell you to get rid of the dog or they will drop you, assuming your dog breed isn't on the list of breeds not covered under their liability policy. The WC will definitely go after the homeowner’s policy regardless. Plan on that. No idea if they’ll drop you, but I imagine that will mean you’ll be out your deductible amount. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:08:25 AM EDT
[#46]
What is amazon's policy regarding an employee entering when there is a beware of dog sign?
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:10:45 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoStockBikes: The WC will definitely go after the homeowner’s policy regardless. Plan on that. No idea if they’ll drop you, but I imagine that will mean you’ll be out your deductible amount. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoStockBikes: Originally Posted By Bubbles: If he doesn't his WC insurance company will. Afterward your homeowner's insurance will probably tell you to get rid of the dog or they will drop you, assuming your dog breed isn't on the list of breeds not covered under their liability policy. The WC will definitely go after the homeowner’s policy regardless. Plan on that. No idea if they’ll drop you, but I imagine that will mean you’ll be out your deductible amount. LOL no Do any of you have experience with workers comp? It doesn’t seem like it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:12:13 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coldair: What is amazon's policy regarding an employee entering when there is a beware of dog sign? Hopefully it will be part of the TOS, if you have a dog that isn’t 100% controlled, we will not deliver to your address, unless you agree to not file for refund on lost, broken or missing deliveries |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:13:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyMattel: Like kids jumping a fence into a swimming pool? High $$$ lawyer vs you? Different scenario. A pool is an attractive nuisance, which brings with it some special considerations. Even in those scenarios, the fences aren't completely disregarded. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:15:18 AM EDT
[#50]
At the very least expect your future deliveries be thrown at your yard as the van drives by.
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