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Posted: 4/15/2024 5:29:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HecklerKac: I know I'm tired of hearing about them The boomer obsession with them my entire life has been embarrassing Boomers..Boomers never change. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 5:30:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRShooter: I think you forgot one part. The MIC then kicks back money to the politicians and employs a bunch of their family members at do nothing jobs or has a job waiting for them as soon as they leave office. And you forgot that the MIC employs hundreds of thousands of high-skill, US Citizen, blue- and white-collar people, and produces a product that has proven decisively over and over to be superior to anyone else's gear on the planet. You even inhabit a site dedicated to one of the MIC's most enduring products, the AR15. Bitching about the MIC on this site should get a 1 week timeout every time. The site would not exist without the MIC. We'd all be on Fudd gun sites, if we even cared enough to be. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 5:30:24 PM EDT
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Top Recipients, 2023-2024:
Haley, Nikki (R) President $1,555,101 Biden, Joe (D) President $1,508,147 Menendez, Robert (D-NJ) Senate $1,103,810 Torres, Ritchie (D-NY) House $871,137 Jeffries, Hakeem (D-NY) House $713,022 |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 5:43:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Should we have stopped bombing German cities in WW2? Over 70% of Gaznians support Hamas and it's actions. When they're training their kids to kill Israelis it really removes the argument that any of them are noncombatants But we pay for Israel's smart munitions and they still manage to bomb hospitals, or international aid workers. And no, Palestinian children are not "combatants." |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 5:50:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: We do it mainly to annoy the Muslims and anti-dentites. You mean the people who hate teeth? |
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USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 6:19:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Troll-Account: Asking that question is anti-semetic. No it's not. It's naïve and somehow absent any background whatsoever on the middle east. But it's not antisemitic. (sic) |
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USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 6:20:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kraquine: One of the developments of late is that the U.S. recently gave Israel $250M and Israel is going to buy more U.S. F-15's. I tried a version of that process for a dozen holly bushes at Lowes this weekend but they weren't havin' it. There is a version of that for DeWalt tools. 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 6:27:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By happycynic: Israel ranks 18th in per capita GDP, the best measure of the relative wealth of a population. That's higher than such economic powerhouses as Germany, France, Great Britain, and Italy. For comparison, the U.S. is 7th. Israel has a border wall and universal healthcare as well. So why do we give them billions every year? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita Have you not seen the list of our political leaders who have dual-citizenship with Israel? |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 6:32:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By happycynic: And no, Palestinian children are not "combatants." Have you seen the footage of their kids being brainwashed and chanting about killing Israelis while in camouflage and shooting weapons? |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 6:44:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By happycynic: What, exactly do they give us? |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 6:46:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: That’s kind of like me handing out vouchers to passers by good for $20 but only if they spend it at my garage sale. I didn’t really gain anything from the transaction. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: Originally Posted By Kraquine: One of the developments of late is that the U.S. recently gave Israel $250M and Israel is going to buy more U.S. F-15's. I tried a version of that process for a dozen holly bushes at Lowes this weekend but they weren't havin' it. That’s kind of like me handing out vouchers to passers by good for $20 but only if they spend it at my garage sale. I didn’t really gain anything from the transaction. It didn't start out as your $20. You stole it from taxpayers. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 7:02:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Have you seen the footage of their kids being brainwashed and chanting about killing Israelis while in camouflage and shooting weapons? |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 7:21:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: Loads of intelligence Land for an air force base An ally in a "hot" region A distraction for terrorists  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: Originally Posted By happycynic: What, exactly do they give us? Loads of intelligence Land for an air force base An ally in a "hot" region A distraction for terrorists I believe you either overlooked, or were too polite to mention, what I believe is the most important thing they give us. At random intervals, the Israelis will stir their stumps and give us a few militant Islamist corpses to mourn. Personally, if they’d give us twice as many, I’d happy to pay them twice as much. It’s a long way to 2977. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 7:23:52 PM EDT
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We don't subsidize Israel. We are their vassal state. We pay tribute.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 7:56:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R_S: The research has already been done: Leak Reveals How Soros, Bezos, and Other Famous Billionaires Avoid Paying Taxes Congress got right on this... to stop the leaks: Leak of billionaires’ tax data draws GOP outcry over privacy (2021)  You got sucked in. You missed this portion of the article: ProPublica calculates what it calls the “true tax rate” based on the increase in an individuals wealth rather than just income. That includes unrealized capital gains that occur when real estate or stock holdings rise. In the U.S. and much of the world, such gains are only taxed when an asset is sold, allowing gains to mount for years before they are ever taxed. So, is it ok to start taxing you on capital gains on your house while you still own it? How about your stock portfolio before you sell any of it? |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:59:14 PM EDT
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"I don't think we should charge the Israelis for those missiles. It's a small country surrounded by bigger ones, an underdog. I'd kind of like to see that scale get balanced." -- Lance White
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:01:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Have you seen the footage of their kids being brainwashed and chanting about killing Israelis while in camouflage and shooting weapons? So all children are actionable targets because of some. 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:05:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:08:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R_S: Top Recipients, 2023-2024: Haley, Nikki (R) President $1,555,101 Biden, Joe (D) President $1,508,147 Menendez, Robert (D-NJ) Senate $1,103,810 Torres, Ritchie (D-NY) House $871,137 Jeffries, Hakeem (D-NY) House $713,022 That's a Shit List if I've ever seen one.... |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:13:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rheinmetall792: That's a Shit List if I've ever seen one....  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:24:05 PM EDT
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Israel’s military budget is around $24 billion of which the USA contributes $3.3B. That’s about 13.5% which is a solid but small %. 75% of the 3.3B must be spent with American MIC which helps our economy.
Is what it is. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:31:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: They're our most reliable ally in the region What have they done for us other than kill 34 seamen? I actually do support helping Israel, but let's be honest, the real answer to this question isn't COC compliant. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:37:15 PM EDT
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And there is no Genocide taking place. The CCR in Gaza is roughly 2/1 which is pretty damn good in urban combat where the enemy doesn’t wear uniforms, puts command centers in schools and uses civilians as human shields. Hamas has dropped thousands of missiles on Gaza because they are defective. How many civilian deaths came from them?
And Palestinians are not being wiped off the face of the earth. There are over 14 million Palestinians in the world and that number isn’t going to change much because of this conflict. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:29:49 PM EDT
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They give our members of congress a couple hundred thousand each in "campaign donations", in exchange for sending them billions in "aid".
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USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:32:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smarcus: Israel’s military budget is around $24 billion of which the USA contributes $3.3B. That’s about 13.5% which is a solid but small %. 75% of the 3.3B must be spent with American MIC which helps our economy. Is what it is. If you'll give me $1000, I'll give you $750 back. It will help the economy. And by $1000, I mean 13.5% of your income. It's a solid but small amount. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:33:24 PM EDT
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Ask the pussies who simp for Ukraine. They're all writing their PHD dissertations on foreign policy and geo-politics in the 6000 page jack thread.
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:33:26 PM EDT
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It's a money laundering scam, we give them aid the have to spend it here in the US and I'm sure diaper Joe and pals get a kick back from. Defence contractors.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:40:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By happycynic: 1. Loads of intelligence. Possibly. But unverifiable. "Israel is really helpful, just trust us." CIA (probably). 2. Air Force Base. Have we ever launched a strike from an Israeli base? We didn't get to use it in either Gulf War I or II, but we did get to defend Israel from the SCUDs. 3. An ally in a "hot" region. Isn't the region hot in large part because we defend Israel? 4. A distraction for terrorists. Question. Absent our support for Israel, would these terrorists be targeting us? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By happycynic: Originally Posted By djkest: Loads of intelligence Land for an air force base An ally in a "hot" region A distraction for terrorists 2. Air Force Base. Have we ever launched a strike from an Israeli base? We didn't get to use it in either Gulf War I or II, but we did get to defend Israel from the SCUDs. 3. An ally in a "hot" region. Isn't the region hot in large part because we defend Israel? 4. A distraction for terrorists. Question. Absent our support for Israel, would these terrorists be targeting us? Where I'm at. They're a fucking useless money pit. Welfare rats. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 10:59:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkStar: This thread won't go well if someone actually tells you why. This. Congress is owned by the j**s. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 11:02:55 PM EDT
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It gives us a great way to test military equipment. Money to Israel is still better than welfare, food stamps and section 8 housing..As well as a lot of our bullshit humanitarian aid.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 11:04:59 PM EDT
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Because fuck the Muslim Brotherhood.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 11:08:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Question for those isolationists how many defense contractors do you think we'd have left if we stopped all military related foreign aid tomorrow? Look how fucked we are with the inability to keep up with Ukraine, do you think that would get better or worse? In our current state we'd face an uphill battle with our current industrial might and its ability to respond, imagine if that ability were halved or more. For those perhaps too dense to understand you realize during relative peacetime the only reason Lake City can keep going is because of civilian sales? If there are no customers the labor goes, the knowledge goes, and our ability to do anything in a timely manner will be gone, in many cases forever. US companies have lost sales recently thanks to Congress’ brilliant decision to fund direct Israeli competition to Aegis Ashore, THAAD, and Patriot. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 11:11:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tacosis: Ask the pussies who simp for Ukraine. They're all writing their PHD dissertations on foreign policy and geo-politics in the 6000 page jack thread.  Attached File |
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USA
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Posted: 4/15/2024 11:11:52 PM EDT
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Because subsidizing buys international influence, at least that's the theory. In Israel's case a contingent of the voting populace believes they must send funds to Israel or God will punish Americans.
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Posted: 4/15/2024 11:25:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coldair: intel on Muslims as they try to destroy us not to mention they perfect our weapons systems Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coldair: Originally Posted By happycynic: What, exactly do they give us? we also store munitions (a lot) there. and we got bases there... |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 11:29:17 PM EDT
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Evangelical Christians being fooled by their "Chosen" people to cough up money to Israel, probably the greatest scam ever.
They don't need our money and we don't need them for anything. At the end of the day, Israel is going to be a fair weather friend to the USA, they will buddy up to whomever benefits them the most when it suites them the most. Like pretty much any country that actually focuses on their Nation's interest. I don't have any axe to grind with Israel, but the constant pearl clutching on pointing out ANYTHING bad they do is moronic. If it were up to me, I would tell them to do whatever they want, but we won't be fighting any wars for them or help them outside of maybe selling them some weapons. No more Aide. No more BS. No more ass kissing. And they have my permission to blow up the Arab world if they really want to. Don't care one way or the other. In the USA, our leaders and dumb voters like to focus on everyone else's issues and problems. Much easier than fixing anything here. But I would prefer if we get our noses out of Palestine/Israel or whatever, and let the cards fall where they may. None of this shit has anything to do with improving the lives of Americans. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 8:44:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By happycynic: In retrospect the strategic campaigns of WW2 were very wasteful - of our servicemen's lives and the civilians - and not that effective. A more concentrated focus on Luftwaffe facilities is what was needed, which we didn't learn until the end of the war. But in fairness, it was the very first war with strategic bombing so everyone was learning. By the time of the Gulf War in the 1990s we applied those lessons, along with new technology and it was both more effective and more humane. But we pay for Israel's smart munitions and they still manage to bomb hospitals, or international aid workers. And no, Palestinian children are not "combatants." They use women and children as human shields. Should we just let the terrorists win because they violate Geneva conventions? |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 9:48:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: They use women and children as human shields. Should we just let the terrorists win because they violate Geneva conventions? The IBC project, reported that by the end of the major combat phase of the invasion period up to April 30, 2003, 7,419 civilians had been killed, primarily by U.S. air-and-ground forces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War Israel has killed 30,000 in a much smaller operation. Combine that with the extremist statements by their politicians and prominent citizens, and it sure doesn't look like this is all the fault of the other guys. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 10:03:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By happycynic: So did Iraq. The IBC project, reported that by the end of the major combat phase of the invasion period up to April 30, 2003, 7,419 civilians had been killed, primarily by U.S. air-and-ground forces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War Israel has killed 30,000 in a much smaller operation. Combine that with the extremist statements by their politicians and prominent citizens, and it sure doesn't look like this is all the fault of the other guys. It's only 30k if you use the Palestinian numbers. You know, the terrorists, the people you are siding with. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 10:19:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: It's only 30k if you use the Palestinian numbers. You know, the terrorists, the people you are siding with. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 10:28:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By happycynic: Gaza looks like Dresden in WWII. The numbers seem plausible to me. So, are you saying the United States committed genocide at Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and many other cities? Surely there were children in those cities too that had no say in their government starting a war. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 10:51:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By happycynic: Israel has killed 30,000 in a much smaller operation. Combine that with the extremist statements by their politicians and prominent citizens, and it sure doesn't look like this is all the fault of the other guys. Show me the bodies. All 30,000. I want to count them one-by-one. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 10:56:17 AM EDT
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Because the Germans were white, and Americans are mostly white. We will never absolve ourselves of the national guilt of the holocaust.
And because they’re Gods Chosen People. Of course that belief should dictate our foreign policy and the spending of American lives and billions of dollars. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 11:12:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shotar: So, are you saying the United States committed genocide at Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and many other cities? Surely there were children in those cities too that had no say in their government starting a war. As for WWII, those were the rules of a more primitive age. And as I stated earlier, the excesses of the air war campaigns were learned from and refined, along with new technology, to develop our modern, more humane tactics. WWII was the first war in which both strategic bombing and nuclear weapons were available, so yeah, mistakes were going to be made. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 11:13:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Show me the bodies. All 30,000. I want to count them one-by-one. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2024 11:38:24 AM EDT
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So, tell me, where did the evil Jew moneylender touch you?
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Posted: 4/16/2024 12:20:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Show me the bodies. All 30,000. I want to count them one-by-one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Originally Posted By happycynic: Israel has killed 30,000 in a much smaller operation. Combine that with the extremist statements by their politicians and prominent citizens, and it sure doesn't look like this is all the fault of the other guys. Show me the bodies. All 30,000. I want to count them one-by-one. I remember when wanting to see 40 beheaded babies meant you were a sicko... |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2024 12:25:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By happycynic: Israel ranks 18th in per capita GDP, the best measure of the relative wealth of a population. That's higher than such economic powerhouses as Germany, France, Great Britain, and Italy. For comparison, the U.S. is 7th. Israel has a border wall and universal healthcare as well. So why do we give them billions every year? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita Now do boomers. Why are the poorer younger generations paying taxes to subsidize them? |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 12:39:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joe731: I remember when wanting to see 40 beheaded babies meant you were a sicko... Yep |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2024 12:45:14 PM EDT
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Blackmail dirt on our leaders thanks to the Mossad/Epstein/Maxwell operation
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