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Posted: 4/17/2024 3:17:03 PM EDT
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Yes, what a shock that you were likely discriminated against by a group with such high in-group preference that India to this day is still largely a caste system.
H1B and L1 Visa holders are NOT supposed to get a job unless the company can document that no American could be found to fit the position. Good luck though getting any justice out of the government. At first the Indians were supposed to supplement the I.T. force and keep labor costs low, but they've been in play for so long now that many of them run the I.T. departments and unlike white folks they have high in group preference without any guilt. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 5:09:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Yes, what a shock that you were likely discriminated against by a group with such high in-group preference that India to this day is still largely a caste system. H1B and L1 Visa holders are NOT supposed to get a job unless the company can document that no American could be found to fit the position. Good luck though getting any justice out of the government. At first the Indians were supposed to supplement the I.T. force and keep labor costs low, but they've been in play for so long now that many of them run the I.T. departments and unlike white folks they have high in group preference without any guilt. In the 25 years since it has steamrolled the govmt has done NOTHING about it. The program has been kept in place no matter how many people dislike it. YOu get to see asshats like Bill Gates testifying in front of Congress for more. The IT field is a shit show, I should have been a plumber. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 6:01:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRShooter: Senator Mike Lee (R), considered one of the most Conservative guys in the Senate, says FUCK YOU and your job. He's been the big push behind getting you replaced for years. His buddies in Tech don't want to pay you, and pay him to find your replacement, which he's happy to do. His plan is to convert them all to Mormons. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 6:12:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mark9000: Been out of work for a month. Got laid off by an Indian and replaced by another Indian. With that being said I have been on a number of interviews and the ENTIRE IT departments are entirely Indian now. No whites, no blacks, no Hispanics, no Chinese - just Indians. I find it incredible how this country has allowed the high tech industry to be taken over by these people. Its unimaginable. Yet they keep telling us there is a shortage of people. Laughably the govmt says they dont know how many are here. How can that possibly be? I have seen estimates online that there are 4 MILLION of these visas at a minimum in the US at any given moment. These are all jobs that Americans are not going to get. Just wasting my time and energy. Couple this with the illegals pouring into the country. As it is the trades are now almost entirely illegal Hispanics. So whats left for us? |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 6:17:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mark9000: This^ Been living this crap since Y2K. IT is a miserable job. My last job we had no H1Bs but did have Europeans (in Europe). I am looking for way out... Project management skills? They tend to be transferable. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 7:24:33 PM EDT
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OP must be in Cali. Fucking HB1 immigrants are everywhere out there. I felt like a minority while living there for 7yrs
The answer? Become their manager or just start revolting out of angst 
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SD, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2024 7:30:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: All you experienced IT guys getting laid off need to get together and figure out how to get your revenge on your replacements! It may take some time but eventually the market punishes incompetence!  The company I was laid off from has been making national news for getting hacked and completely ducking up the healthcare industry. Not going to lie, I enjoyed the schadenfreude, Knowing who was laid off, who was kept, and what was hacked. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 7:37:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2024 7:48:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mah_lee]
[#9]
good thread, surprised the apologists haven't shown up
sorry to hear about your situation op |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 10:10:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ben]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Currahee: @Ben How physically fit are we talking? I'm doing pretty well for 54 years old. I'm probably not willing to relocate, but interested in what job you're talking about. IM me if you want. And to the point of the thread... I see a lot of J1 and H2B Visas. I don't think my Casino could run without them. They are a PITA for me and I'm not even directly involved. But they are one of a long list of problems. With my son in school for programing, they have become a particular concern in the last few years. Gold mining and cowboy work primarily, with housing provided. A few other opportunities, but all require physical presence on site. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 11:27:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mark9000]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmacs69: Project management skills? They tend to be transferable. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmacs69: Originally Posted By mark9000: This^ Been living this crap since Y2K. IT is a miserable job. My last job we had no H1Bs but did have Europeans (in Europe). I am looking for way out... Project management skills? They tend to be transferable. I have thought about trying to get into construction project management. I know a lot about house construction as my family were carpenters and such. Nothing is safe anymore. I transitioned into project/program management around the time of Y2K as I could see the writing on the wall with programming. What I am encountering now is that the management and higher ups are now all indians. Indian project managers are about the most useless people I have encountered. They could not manage an apple cart at a flea market but that doesnt stop them from being hired. Me and my ex-boss (not the one that laid me off) built a modeling and simulation platform using high performance computing and AI. The guy that replaced me has no background in it and cant do the job. But it doesnt matter now either... They LOVE all these certifications in whatever topic. The irony is that they cant do the job but have the cert for it. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 11:28:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GAshooter11: OP must be in Cali. Fucking HB1 immigrants are everywhere out there. I felt like a minority while living there for 7yrs The answer? Become their manager or just start revolting out of angst NJ is just as bad which is where I am. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 11:57:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Gold mining and cowboy work primarily, with housing provided. A few other opportunities, but all require physical presence on site. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By Currahee: @Ben How physically fit are we talking? I'm doing pretty well for 54 years old. I'm probably not willing to relocate, but interested in what job you're talking about. IM me if you want. And to the point of the thread... I see a lot of J1 and H2B Visas. I don't think my Casino could run without them. They are a PITA for me and I'm not even directly involved. But they are one of a long list of problems. With my son in school for programing, they have become a particular concern in the last few years. Gold mining and cowboy work primarily, with housing provided. A few other opportunities, but all require physical presence on site. What kind of pay range for stuff like that? I've always wondered what ranch workers get paid, I see a lot of immigrant worker types (maybe not that far north?) so I always assumed it was nothing special. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:30:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ben]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: What kind of pay range for stuff like that? I've always wondered what ranch workers get paid, I see a lot of immigrant worker types (maybe not that far north?) so I always assumed it was nothing special. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By Currahee: @Ben How physically fit are we talking? I'm doing pretty well for 54 years old. I'm probably not willing to relocate, but interested in what job you're talking about. IM me if you want. And to the point of the thread... I see a lot of J1 and H2B Visas. I don't think my Casino could run without them. They are a PITA for me and I'm not even directly involved. But they are one of a long list of problems. With my son in school for programing, they have become a particular concern in the last few years. Gold mining and cowboy work primarily, with housing provided. A few other opportunities, but all require physical presence on site. What kind of pay range for stuff like that? I've always wondered what ranch workers get paid, I see a lot of immigrant worker types (maybe not that far north?) so I always assumed it was nothing special. Here, if you can ride and are reliable, about $2500 a month, plus room and board, plus a half of beef. At least that is what two different local folks have thrown out so far this year, including one here on ARFCOM who told me I'm going to need to offer more than I wanted to for some work- because the ranchers are offering more than I was. But to be fair, I won't make you ride a horse. And horses are only slightly more dangerous than bullet bikes or parachuting without training... |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:45:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prijador: The Democrat ruling elite want them here, and hate us. 1. Lower wage 2. Desperate 3. Easier to control 4. ...? 5. Profit |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 4:16:20 PM EDT
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If at all possible I will never report to an Indian manager.
I have worked with a lot of Indian developers and for the most part they were good solid people, decent workers too. However, my experience with Indian managers is that the are tyrannical assholes. I got laid off from a large electric utility in January. In one pass they fired 70 IT managers (that include me) and 220 BA's/PM's/DEVs. Rumor has it that they need to cut several hundred more before summer. What is their plan? Have TCS bring in contractors and offshore as much of the work that they can. I do not see this going to work out well for them. I honestly don't care. I am kind if low-key looking for another job, I will probably just do contracting/consulting. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 4:17:46 PM EDT
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I was just re-reading Member of Parliament Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood Speech" from 1968. Here is an excerpt:
(He argued that journalists who urged the government to pass anti-discrimination laws were "of the same kidney and sometimes on the same newspapers which year after year in the 1930s tried to blind this country to the rising peril which confronted it". Powell described what he perceived to be the evolving position of the White British population): "For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country. "They found their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition, their plans and prospects for the future defeated; at work they found that employers hesitated to apply to the immigrant worker the standards of discipline and competence required of the native-born worker; they began to hear, as time went by, more and more voices which told them that they were now the unwanted. "On top of this, they now learn that a one-way privilege is to be established by Act of Parliament; a law which cannot, and is not intended to, operate to protect them or redress their grievances, is to be enacted to give the stranger, the disgruntled and the agent provocateur the power to pillory them for their private actions..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 6:35:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LibertyShip: I was just re-reading Member of Parliament Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood Speech" from 1968. Here is an excerpt: (He argued that journalists who urged the government to pass anti-discrimination laws were "of the same kidney and sometimes on the same newspapers which year after year in the 1930s tried to blind this country to the rising peril which confronted it". Powell described what he perceived to be the evolving position of the White British population): "For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country. "They found their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition, their plans and prospects for the future defeated; at work they found that employers hesitated to apply to the immigrant worker the standards of discipline and competence required of the native-born worker; they began to hear, as time went by, more and more voices which told them that they were now the unwanted. "On top of this, they now learn that a one-way privilege is to be established by Act of Parliament; a law which cannot, and is not intended to, operate to protect them or redress their grievances, is to be enacted to give the stranger, the disgruntled and the agent provocateur the power to pillory them for their private actions..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech The people never asked for diversity. The people never asked for their country to be changed. The people never asked for their culture to be relegated to second class status. Any time the people were asked... they made it clear, they liked their country and their culture just fine the way it was. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:05:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL: If at all possible I will never report to an Indian manager. I have worked with a lot of Indian developers and for the most part they were good solid people, decent workers too. However, my experience with Indian managers is that the are tyrannical assholes. I got laid off from a large electric utility in January. In one pass they fired 70 IT managers (that include me) and 220 BA's/PM's/DEVs. Rumor has it that they need to cut several hundred more before summer. What is their plan? Have TCS bring in contractors and offshore as much of the work that they can. I do not see this going to work out well for them. I honestly don't care. I am kind if low-key looking for another job, I will probably just do contracting/consulting. They may be good workers but every single one of them here has taken a job that an American should have. They shouldnt be here at all as there is no shortage of anyone. Where I live they did this over 10 years ago with the utility companies. I interviewed there and asked where everyone was. They replied that they had laid them off and sent the jobs to India. The only jobs left here was PM's and BA positions. I was flabbergasted that they were offshoring the systems that run the energy grid over seas. Of course they are using TCS or HCL or Cognizant or WiPRO or even IBM or HP. Same deal, makes no difference. I have pretty much resigned to the fact that I am going back to contracting/consulting. You would not believe the ordeals they are making people do to get hired - 5-6 interviews, tests, personality profiles, you name it. I dont need that crap. The best is yet to come. Wait till they realize that AI can replace TCS. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:06:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runcible: The thing you must always keep in mind about the West's immigration policies over the last 50 years or so is this... they were enacted against the will of the people. The people never asked for diversity. The people never asked for their country to be changed. The people never asked for their culture to be relegated to second class status. Any time the people were asked... they made it clear, they liked their country and their culture just fine the way it was. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runcible: Originally Posted By LibertyShip: I was just re-reading Member of Parliament Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood Speech" from 1968. Here is an excerpt: (He argued that journalists who urged the government to pass anti-discrimination laws were "of the same kidney and sometimes on the same newspapers which year after year in the 1930s tried to blind this country to the rising peril which confronted it". Powell described what he perceived to be the evolving position of the White British population): "For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country. "They found their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition, their plans and prospects for the future defeated; at work they found that employers hesitated to apply to the immigrant worker the standards of discipline and competence required of the native-born worker; they began to hear, as time went by, more and more voices which told them that they were now the unwanted. "On top of this, they now learn that a one-way privilege is to be established by Act of Parliament; a law which cannot, and is not intended to, operate to protect them or redress their grievances, is to be enacted to give the stranger, the disgruntled and the agent provocateur the power to pillory them for their private actions..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech The people never asked for diversity. The people never asked for their country to be changed. The people never asked for their culture to be relegated to second class status. Any time the people were asked... they made it clear, they liked their country and their culture just fine the way it was. I have read this before about this being forced on our countries. So why was it done? A difference path to communism or somthing else entirely? |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:48:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Here, if you can ride and are reliable, about $2500 a month, plus room and board, plus a half of beef. At least that is what two different local folks have thrown out so far this year, including one here on ARFCOM who told me I'm going to need to offer more than I wanted to for some work- because the ranchers are offering more than I was. But to be fair, I won't make you ride a horse. And horses are only slightly more dangerous than bullet bikes or parachuting without training... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By Currahee: @Ben How physically fit are we talking? I'm doing pretty well for 54 years old. I'm probably not willing to relocate, but interested in what job you're talking about. IM me if you want. And to the point of the thread... I see a lot of J1 and H2B Visas. I don't think my Casino could run without them. They are a PITA for me and I'm not even directly involved. But they are one of a long list of problems. With my son in school for programing, they have become a particular concern in the last few years. Gold mining and cowboy work primarily, with housing provided. A few other opportunities, but all require physical presence on site. What kind of pay range for stuff like that? I've always wondered what ranch workers get paid, I see a lot of immigrant worker types (maybe not that far north?) so I always assumed it was nothing special. Here, if you can ride and are reliable, about $2500 a month, plus room and board, plus a half of beef. At least that is what two different local folks have thrown out so far this year, including one here on ARFCOM who told me I'm going to need to offer more than I wanted to for some work- because the ranchers are offering more than I was. But to be fair, I won't make you ride a horse. And horses are only slightly more dangerous than bullet bikes or parachuting without training... Hehe ok, Thanks for the response. If I could rewind 25 years that sounds like a pretty fun job for a single guy! Probably a little harder to manage with a family with a bunch of young kids. 
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:09:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LibertyShip: I was just re-reading Member of Parliament Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood Speech" from 1968. Here is an excerpt: (He argued that journalists who urged the government to pass anti-discrimination laws were "of the same kidney and sometimes on the same newspapers which year after year in the 1930s tried to blind this country to the rising peril which confronted it". Powell described what he perceived to be the evolving position of the White British population): "For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country. "They found their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition, their plans and prospects for the future defeated; at work they found that employers hesitated to apply to the immigrant worker the standards of discipline and competence required of the native-born worker; they began to hear, as time went by, more and more voices which told them that they were now the unwanted. "On top of this, they now learn that a one-way privilege is to be established by Act of Parliament; a law which cannot, and is not intended to, operate to protect them or redress their grievances, is to be enacted to give the stranger, the disgruntled and the agent provocateur the power to pillory them for their private actions..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:24:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deschutes541: Surely the Republican Party has our backside! FIFY |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:31:17 AM EDT
[#24]
Neat thing about telecommuting - they don't even need to leave India to take your job.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:13:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LurchAddams: Mike Lee and his H1B friends: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/126713/Mike_Lee_wH1Bs_jpg-3190364.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LurchAddams: Originally Posted By LRShooter: Senator Mike Lee (R), considered one of the most Conservative guys in the Senate, says FUCK YOU and your job. He's been the big push behind getting you replaced for years. His buddies in Tech don't want to pay you, and pay him to find your replacement, which he's happy to do. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/126713/Mike_Lee_wH1Bs_jpg-3190364.JPG The usual stupid, blue-backing conservatives will stop petting snakes like him when they're dead, & not a moment sooner. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:03:33 AM EDT
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Many of them are pro woke and DEI too (look at the peope running twitter before Elon bought it out) even though they are technically classified as 'Asian' and don't benefit from affirmative action unlike blacks and Hispanics.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:02:29 AM EDT
[#27]
Even if they go home companies like Sig will still hire them to make their stuff. And what’s a shame is that they don’t need to in order to stay competitive, it’s solely to funnel more money to the top.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:04:36 AM EDT
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I was assigned my 5th "Personal Banker" in 4 years.
All of them have been Hispanic from Rosa to Luis. What are the odds against that? 
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:18:34 AM EDT
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In the broadcast television engineering the shortage of qualified Americans has been a topic for 25-years. There's just a shortage of American kids who want those sorts of jobs and that's many decades old. So when the entire shop is in their 50s and 60s, when the last job announcements gathered nobody under that age that was remotely qualified or experienced, when enough chairs go empty that the few left can't hardly keep up what do you do?
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:05:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: runcible]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mark9000: I have read this before about this being forced on our countries. So why was it done? A difference path to communism or somthing else entirely? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mark9000: Originally Posted By runcible: Originally Posted By LibertyShip: I was just re-reading Member of Parliament Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood Speech" from 1968. Here is an excerpt: (He argued that journalists who urged the government to pass anti-discrimination laws were "of the same kidney and sometimes on the same newspapers which year after year in the 1930s tried to blind this country to the rising peril which confronted it". Powell described what he perceived to be the evolving position of the White British population): "For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country. "They found their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition, their plans and prospects for the future defeated; at work they found that employers hesitated to apply to the immigrant worker the standards of discipline and competence required of the native-born worker; they began to hear, as time went by, more and more voices which told them that they were now the unwanted. "On top of this, they now learn that a one-way privilege is to be established by Act of Parliament; a law which cannot, and is not intended to, operate to protect them or redress their grievances, is to be enacted to give the stranger, the disgruntled and the agent provocateur the power to pillory them for their private actions..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech The people never asked for diversity. The people never asked for their country to be changed. The people never asked for their culture to be relegated to second class status. Any time the people were asked... they made it clear, they liked their country and their culture just fine the way it was. They want a less intelligent, less economically self-sufficient, population that is totally dependent on the government for their survival. This why they push gun control, socialized medicine, and welfare, while gutting our educational system, allowing crime to run rampant, and importing hordes of Third Worlders with room temp IQs. They seek to destabilize society, then offer security in exchange for freedom. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:30:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL: ... I am kind if low-key looking for another job, I will probably just do contracting/consulting. Rates for contracting/consulting work seem to be getting lower. H1B workers are being laid off, but they're not going home. They they get a ~$30/hour contract job and work illegally. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:32:21 AM EDT
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If you white boys haven't started checking the Hispanic / Asian box whenever presented I don't know what to tell you.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:41:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By killstick_engaged: If you white boys haven't started checking the Hispanic / Asian box whenever presented I don't know what to tell you. I couldn't pass as a Messican, & definitely not as an Asian. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:46:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By killstick_engaged: If you white boys haven't started checking the Hispanic / Asian box whenever presented I don't know what to tell you. Thats not going to fix the problem when everyone is Indian. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:52:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmathew: Both political parties are screwing us on this, one wants their votes and the other wants their cheap labor. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 2:24:38 AM EDT
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Recently a recruiter sent me a resume for an engineering project manager.
5 years work experience B.S. in India Masters in New York H1-B asking $150-160k I politely declined. 
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Posted: 4/20/2024 2:27:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Elwwod: Recently a recruiter sent me a resume for an engineering project manager. 5 years work experience B.S. in India Masters in New York H1-B asking $150-160k I politely declined. The best and brightest! |
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