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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:19:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: intheburbs]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FuriousYachtsman: No 12 year old vehicle is dependable. Disagree. I have a 2008 Suburban 2500 with 250k miles. 16 years old, for those with limited math skills. Thing is built/over engineered like a brick shithouse. Hell, the rear axle is rated to the same weight as its GVWR. We're planning an epic family roadtrip pulling an 8000-lb travel trailer to Yellowstone and Colorado with 6 adults onboard. I fully expect to make the trip with no mechanical issues. Expect to log 5000 miles of towing in two and a half weeks. ETA: Probably driving one of the Jeeps, too. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:19:36 AM EDT
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I am looking at a 2013 with 120k on it.
I want it but don't know if I really wan it. My wife says I look like a weirdo because I bring a creeper, gloves and a flashlight to every Jeep I look at. Damn near all of them have oil leaking everywhere. Going look at this one tomorrow. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1318610832141506/ |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:21:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: klinc]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By reb0957: I am looking at a 2013 with 120k on it. I want it but don't know if I really wan it. My wife says I look like a weirdo because I bring a creeper, gloves and a flashlight to every Jeep I look at. Damn near all of them have oil leaking everywhere. Going look at this one tomorrow. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1318610832141506/ I went and looked at a truck once someone was selling (private seller) and I was all over it. The guy's wife said to him, "Why don't you ever go through a vehicle like this when you buy them?" 
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:25:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity]
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:26:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: I went and looked at a truck once someone was selling (private seller) and I was all over it. The guys wife's said to him, "Why don't you ever go through a vehicle like this when you buy them?" |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:28:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: intheburbs]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By reb0957: I am looking at a 2013 with 120k on it. I want it but don't know if I really wan it. My wife says I look like a weirdo because I bring a creeper, gloves and a flashlight to every Jeep I look at. Damn near all of them have oil leaking everywhere. Going look at this one tomorrow. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1318610832141506/ Wow. That's a stripper. Manual crank windows. At least the doors would be lighter and easier to remove. Crawl under it and look at the lift kit. Ask the owner about it. Lifted Jeeps scare me. You never know what kind of hack job you're inheriting. And, for the love of all that's holy, if you buy it please remove that idiotic "angry" grille. Grrr! I'm angwy jeepie! 
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:29:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Correct, morning brain fog. Sold my LJ last year, built it for the Red Clay Rally. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164007/A6D8EB3D-0F68-4E17-93A3-9AAB52FF2704-2407960.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By Ulster: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Last good Jeeps we’re made in 2005. TJ/LJ. I’d only trust a 4.0 vs the 3.8/3.6 Last TJ with the 4.0 was in 2006. Mine has 190k, and still going strong. Not trading. I don't even like riding in anything else.  https://i.postimg.cc/qqrg3cyr/IMG-1170.jpg Correct, morning brain fog. Sold my LJ last year, built it for the Red Clay Rally. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164007/A6D8EB3D-0F68-4E17-93A3-9AAB52FF2704-2407960.jpg I was wondering why you ignored the ‘06. Wranglerfix has eliminated the one issue I could think of on the later year TJ’s. Jeep pic thread  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:29:52 AM EDT
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Bought a 2010 about 5 years ago. Motor had to be replaced at 165k. Replaced the top 2 years ago. Headlights were a pita to replace bulbs in. Kept burning out the passenger side brake light until i put led assembly in, ac quit working about 2 years ago, paint is not holding up well in the sun, anything that can come loose has come loose, eats front tires.
Would not buy another. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:35:50 AM EDT
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Reliability is relative. My first vehicle died a fairly horid death before 100k. My second vehicle was leaving me stranded on the road from 20k on. My third vehicle spent way too many weeks at the dealer before 50k. Then I got a Ford F150 that drove without any real problems for 15 years. I can not say the 3 Jeeps I have gotten since then were the least reliable vehicles I ever owned. First Jeep was great when we owned it (JLUR), but shit it's motor less than 20k miles after that. The next JLURD is still running no problems (honestly there were battery issues and entertainment system issues with the JLUR). I have never really had a long period of no problems with my LJ. But at least it is not like my VW... VW has gone months when I could not drive it - yet I love it when it works.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:36:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Last good Jeeps we’re made in 2005. TJ/LJ. I’d only trust a 4.0 vs the 3.8/3.6 Word. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:36:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: Wow. That's a stripper. Manual crank windows. At least the doors would be lighter and easier to remove. Crawl under it and look at the lift kit. Ask the owner about it. Lifted Jeeps scare me. You never know what kind of hack job you're inheriting. And, for the love of all that's holy, if you buy it please remove that idiotic "angry" grille. Grrr! I'm angwy jeepie! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145716/1000031651-3191117.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: Originally Posted By reb0957: I am looking at a 2013 with 120k on it. I want it but don't know if I really wan it. My wife says I look like a weirdo because I bring a creeper, gloves and a flashlight to every Jeep I look at. Damn near all of them have oil leaking everywhere. Going look at this one tomorrow. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1318610832141506/ Wow. That's a stripper. Manual crank windows. At least the doors would be lighter and easier to remove. Crawl under it and look at the lift kit. Ask the owner about it. Lifted Jeeps scare me. You never know what kind of hack job you're inheriting. And, for the love of all that's holy, if you buy it please remove that idiotic "angry" grille. Grrr! I'm angwy jeepie! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145716/1000031651-3191117.jpg I know a guy that bought a Jeep a few years old and took it to a shop to have it lifted. After that it would shake very bad at 60mph. He eventually traded it off. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:43:30 AM EDT
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I would avoid the 2012's, and maybe even some early 2013's.
2012 was the first year of the 3.6 in the JK's, and there were some issues. I have an early 2013 that has been "OK", but it just turned 50,000 miles last week. I had a KJ before my JK, I don't think I will get another Jeep, at least not as a daily driver. I looked at a Gladiator, but I kept thinking "it is a Jeep"..... |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:49:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighLighter: I know a guy that bought a Jeep a few years old and took it to a shop to have it lifted. After that it would shake very bad at 60mph. He eventually traded it off. Probably could have just replaced the track bar and death wobble would have ceased. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:51:40 AM EDT
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My 2021 Rubicon is a piece of shit, but it’s the lightest and easiest thing to tow behind the RV. It does not get driven much outside vacations
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:03:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: timeless]
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Had my 2021 now for 3 years and it's been great. It's been way more reliable than any of the other 5 Jeep generations I have owned.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:06:22 AM EDT
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Our 21 diesel has been great through 50k miles.
Wife and kids love it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:07:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Natty_Bumppo: Had 9 Jeeps in a row, from CJ's through JK's. I drive a Tacoma now. Man, getting old and requiring special medical equipment and mobility devices really sucks. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:07:25 AM EDT
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My grandsons 2011 wrangler has been in the dealership for about 6 months and they still haven't figured out it's over heating problems even after charging over 3000 dollars for repairs.
They're letting him drive a replacement but want to give it back unfixed and a thousand dollars. My wife got one of the last 2022 grand cherokee wk and we both love it. It's our first jeep. I'd like to find a 1999 TJ for off road. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:13:42 AM EDT
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I've owned a lot of jeep wranglers over the years, and still have my 08 jku, they are more unreliable on average than most. The positive is there is a great online community to walk you through many issues. Chrysler vehicles always have check engine lights for emission, gas cap crap. I had to replace my fuel injectors on my 08, and my check engine light is always on for emissions.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:49:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Last good Jeeps we're made in 2005. TJ/LJ. I'd only trust a 4.0 vs the 3.8/3.6 |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:55:32 AM EDT
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We've had several Jeeps over the years... 2002 WJ 4.7 5-45RFE/NV242HD, 1994 ZJ 4.0 42RE/NV242, 2003 4.7HO 5-45RFE/NV247 (QD), 2014 WK2 3.6, 2016 WK2 5.7, 2017 WK2 3.6. The 02 hit 309k, the 94 was sold running with 298k, the 03 hit about 192K, 14 had a dash fire and was totaled (aftermarket wireless backup cam was the culprit), 16 and 17 are still low mileage at 106k and 84k and are tow rigs for our camper.
The ZJ and WJ could wheel as good as a TJ/JK/etc, solid axles, coil springs, and the WJs had a really flexy OEM rear suspension if you removed the sway bar. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:13:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By reb0957: In all fairness, my wife should know I how I am........I inspect her like that as often as I can! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By reb0957: Originally Posted By klinc: I went and looked at a truck once someone was selling (private seller) and I was all over it. The guys wife's said to him, "Why don't you ever go through a vehicle like this when you buy them?" cheap bumper, cheap winch.... probably cheap everything aftermarket as well and too much money |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:21:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Last good Jeeps we’re made in 2005. TJ/LJ. I’d only trust a 4.0 vs the 3.8/3.6 This. Newer "Jeeps" are garbage, at best. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:27:28 PM EDT
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I had a 2010. It was solid. Very few mods, lift Kit, gears and Tires. It was a dog before the gear change.
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:31:01 PM EDT
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I have a 2004 LJ with over 200,000 miles, I have replaced the water pump, the u-joint, My windshield washer fluid pump is on the fritz, but other than that, runs fine, except it does slip (auto) when going into second gear when the vehicle is cold, or has been sitting overnight. After that first hiccup, it's good for the rest of the day.
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USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:38:37 PM EDT
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2015 without major mechanical issues.
Seized caliper, heater core. Both repaired under the extended warranty though. Other than that routine maintenance. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:39:27 PM EDT
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Had AMC CJs back in the day
Had YJ, TJ and XJs Now have a gladiator. As for the past couple if decades…..It is a Chrysler product so Plan accordingly. If you want ultra dependable. Buy a Toyota. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:45:43 PM EDT
[#28]
Had AMC CJs back in the day
Had YJ, TJ and XJs Now have a gladiator. As for the past couple if decades…..It is a Chrysler product so Plan accordingly. If you want ultra dependable. Buy a Toyota. |
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SD, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:50:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rmac7748: This. Newer "Jeeps" are garbage, at best. They are a good platform to build what you want. At least the early JK's compared to the later computer controlled hell that are '12 and beyond. It'll be a whole lot easier to rip out and replace the wiring to run an L31 SBC cut over to LSx ECM and an LT2 iso. They are also a touch wider and longer, if you need to deal with slick roads and high crosswinds. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:50:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taom: Here is what you need to do, drive by several used car lots that sell trucks and SUVs and look at what is on the lots, that will answer your question. When people unload certain vehicles because of problems they end up on these mom-and-pop used car lots. Alternatively... those mom and pop shops buy wranglers at the auction because they know that they'll turn over quickly. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:52:34 PM EDT
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Mine has been dependable. 94..bought it in 95 and still own it. I never had any major issues that were not the result of off reading.
It just sits now waiting for it's turn as a wrench on my current project. If you are going to off road it. It turns into a piece of equipment. Always working on it. Going over it to ensure survivability. It only left me walking once. I swamped the engine. The 4.0 with zero oil pressure got me out of the woods to a trailer. 176k miles on it. A lot of hard wheeling. Friends with newer models have had very few issues with theirs. My girlfriend is looking at buying a Gladiator now. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:57:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panthermark: I would avoid the 2012's, and maybe even some early 2013's. 2012 was the first year of the 3.6 in the JK's, and there were some issues. I have an early 2013 that has been "OK", but it just turned 50,000 miles last week. After 12 years, if there was a major issue it likely would have surfaced by now... |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:57:49 PM EDT
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I Had a JK, it's the only vehicle I have owned that I had to have towed. This includes
vehichles 40 years older that I drove that shit out of. Pos Plastic part to blame in JK shifting mechanism. Sold it a week later |
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USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:58:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Probably could have just replaced the track bar and death wobble would have ceased. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Originally Posted By HighLighter: I know a guy that bought a Jeep a few years old and took it to a shop to have it lifted. After that it would shake very bad at 60mph. He eventually traded it off. Probably could have just replaced the track bar and death wobble would have ceased. Or balanced his wheels... or tightend all the bolts to recommended torque settings... or... or... |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:58:31 PM EDT
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I have a 2010 with the 3.8 bought it new.
Yes, it burns oil. 128,000 miles and the only non-maintenance so far was alternator and tire pressure sensors. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 2:05:33 PM EDT
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A few years ago I would have said stick with the i6 4.0. Doesn't need water, barely needs oil, and I think if you put leaves and twigs in the gas tank it'd run on those too.
However I have been really surprised by the 2.0T,... mine is still kicking at over 240k. I've only had to replace some seals on the coolant system and catalytic converter so far. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 2:18:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HighLighter: I’m looking at a 2012 Sport manual transmission 4x4 that looks great. Around 60K miles. I’ve always heard bad things about Jeeps but I figure a lot of that is brand “banter”. Should I run away from Jeep products? As the former owner of a 2012 Wrangler that I owned for 12 years that I just sold 2 months ago: Run. Away. That is a very bad year for the 3.6L engine in the wrangler. So much so that Jeep voluntarily extended the warranty on some engine parts to 10 years. Since that time has elapsed, you're SOL and it's very, very likely you have a valve or camshaft issue waiting for you in the future if you acquire a 2012. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 3:27:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rmac7748: This. Newer "Jeeps" are garbage, at best. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rmac7748: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Last good Jeeps we’re made in 2005. TJ/LJ. I’d only trust a 4.0 vs the 3.8/3.6 This. Newer "Jeeps" are garbage, at best. Cry harder. 
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 3:34:50 PM EDT
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My 2020 3.6L blew a head gasket 10k miles out of warrenty
 I bought a Tacoma to replace it. I might have just had bad luck. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 3:40:21 PM EDT
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They're ok. If you want reliable get a Toyota pre 2020
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Posted: 4/18/2024 3:41:01 PM EDT
[#41]
'06 LJR still going strong.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 4:17:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Deerhurst]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FuriousYachtsman: No 12 year old vehicle is dependable. Hahahahaha!!!! I daily a 21 year old Audi which has been just as dependable as any vehicle my family has owned with the exception of my 38 year old Nissan hardbody. Between those 2 (plus a second Audi) they have been more reliable than the Ford's, Toyotas, Chevy's and maybe even the Infiniti. Definitely kept them longer than the rest. Hell, we went German over getting a Chrysler or Fiat product. That should tell you a lot. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 4:19:16 PM EDT
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I had two I bought new, and two i bought with many many miles. the new ones ran fine for years, the used ones needed a few things fixed but had many more years of service.
The thing I love about Wranglers, CJs, YJs, TJs, JKs and JLs is they are like lego vehicles. So many aftermarket parts you could do anything you want. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 4:35:19 PM EDT
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Coming up on 90k miles on my 2020 JLU sport S with zero issues at all. Just done standard PM the whole time
  Attached FileBought brand new in May 2020 |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 4:44:30 PM EDT
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I have owned 5 wranglers. 4 of them were awesome. Then I bought a 2021 that was made during the pandemic. It had major electronic issues. Chrysler bought it back from me.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 4:46:07 PM EDT
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Had a 2020 Wrangler UL Rubicon, bought brand new.
At 24,700 miles, 2 spark plugs died out. At 25,100 miles, fuel pump went out. At 25,101 miles replaced with a Tacoma. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 4:46:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mousehunter]
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LJ's had the i6 option for all their production, including the 1/2 year of 2006 production. I forget the changes from the 2002-2003 to the 2004, but when I was researching it - it seemed like 2004-2006 were the better bets.
One odd thing about mine. It appears it was originally designed without air bags, and when they bolted them in - they did not change the seat height. I am 5' 10" and felt like I was looking through the bottom 1/3 of the windshield. That said, you can stack washers or purchase spacers that will raise the seat up to whatever feels right for you. I got the second tallest spacers IIRC, seat height is near perfect now - but the seat kisses the sunshades when pushed forward. I have been temped to get one size lower for the passenger side (not like I ever sit there) so the seat will fold forward easier. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 5:00:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FuriousYachtsman: No 12 year old vehicle is dependable. I daily drive an 01 Tacoma that has had a starter and 1 alternator in 360000 miles both those went out over 300k never left me stranded every knob/ button works cold ac all power window n locks work like new. It's got a broke door handle tho |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 5:05:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sigshooter3: As an owner of a Jeep (TJ) I can say this is the absolute truth. Also, they leak. Hard top or soft top, there is a reason many, many Jeep owners keep them garaged. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sigshooter3: Originally Posted By KingNine: Just Empty Every Pocket Also, they leak. Hard top or soft top, there is a reason many, many Jeep owners keep them garaged. My 06 LJR with an old, cheap Rampage soft top doesn’t leak. Water. My RMS leaks oil.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 5:06:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Last good Jeeps we’re made in 2005. TJ/LJ. I’d only trust a 4.0 vs the 3.8/3.6 2006 I trust the 4.0 so much I put a second in my LJ. |
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