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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:46:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swolliepop: thanks for linking. as expected, very ambiguous feedback to the public, as expect from public officials. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swolliepop: Originally Posted By steelworker: WANE TV Update thanks for linking. as expected, very ambiguous feedback to the public, as expect from public officials. I love how they fired him out of a concern for the officer’s safety rather than for lying or excessive force. He’s the real victim here. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:00:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: Let me get this straight: The community is DIVIDED on the issue, because some of them adamantly oppose the idea of the girl being tossed on the ground and some of them adamantly support it???? Just think, for ONE SECOND, it that was a black girl.... |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:07:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jhereg]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: The only way a "polite command" with ambiguous terms works as an order is if we all accept that everything a cop "asks" is an order. Just realize that means no more voluntary statements and no consensual searches. That seems like a poor trade versus just stating when a thing is an order. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By jhereg: Polite command. As I've explained to my son I can say "Please take the trash out." He and I both know it's an order, but it's couched in polite language and sounds way better than "Take the fucking trash out!" The only way a "polite command" with ambiguous terms works as an order is if we all accept that everything a cop "asks" is an order. Just realize that means no more voluntary statements and no consensual searches. That seems like a poor trade versus just stating when a thing is an order.  Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police! |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:09:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhereg: It might be wrong, and the cop is in the wrong, but I was always taught not to argue w/ a cop on the side of the road. I've pointed this video out to my son multiple times over the years.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhereg: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By jhereg: Polite command. As I've explained to my son I can say "Please take the trash out." He and I both know it's an order, but it's couched in polite language and sounds way better than "Take the fucking trash out!" The only way a "polite command" with ambiguous terms works as an order is if we all accept that everything a cop "asks" is an order. Just realize that means no more voluntary statements and no consensual searches. That seems like a poor trade versus just stating when a thing is an order. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8Well, you can politely consent to the officer’s request to search your car. I’ll politely pass. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:12:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jhereg]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Well, you can politely consent to the officer's request to search your car. I'll politely pass. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By jhereg: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By jhereg: Polite command. As I've explained to my son I can say "Please take the trash out." He and I both know it's an order, but it's couched in polite language and sounds way better than "Take the fucking trash out!" The only way a "polite command" with ambiguous terms works as an order is if we all accept that everything a cop "asks" is an order. Just realize that means no more voluntary statements and no consensual searches. That seems like a poor trade versus just stating when a thing is an order. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8Well, you can politely consent to the officer's request to search your car. I'll politely pass. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:19:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhereg: I'd tell him no on searching the car, or something to the effect of I object and do not consent, but I'm not going to physically fight him if he does. On the other hand I'll stay in the car unless he tells me to get out and then I would get out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhereg: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By jhereg: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By jhereg: Polite command. As I've explained to my son I can say "Please take the trash out." He and I both know it's an order, but it's couched in polite language and sounds way better than "Take the fucking trash out!" The only way a "polite command" with ambiguous terms works as an order is if we all accept that everything a cop "asks" is an order. Just realize that means no more voluntary statements and no consensual searches. That seems like a poor trade versus just stating when a thing is an order. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8Well, you can politely consent to the officer's request to search your car. I'll politely pass. I’m not sure what your point is then. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:36:48 PM EDT
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OP titled this thread like a porn. Lmao.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:26:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steelworker: WANE TV Update Well that's about as weasely worded and political speak phrased as possible by the people who supported the officers actions until it became public knowledge. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:50:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daveo: Just think, for ONE SECOND, it that was a black girl.... It would be on CNN, Headline News, MSNBC, and the ABC, CBS, and NBC national nightly news. Crump would be there. So would Al Sharpton. And Jesse Jackson. Then VP Kamala Harris. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:14:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WeimaranerDad: It would be on CNN, Headline News, MSNBC, and the ABC, CBS, and NBC national nightly news. Crump would be there. So would Al Sharpton. And Jesse Jackson. Then VP Kamala Harris. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WeimaranerDad: Originally Posted By daveo: Just think, for ONE SECOND, it that was a black girl.... It would be on CNN, Headline News, MSNBC, and the ABC, CBS, and NBC national nightly news. Crump would be there. So would Al Sharpton. And Jesse Jackson. Then VP Kamala Harris. Wait Kamala Harris still exists? Haven't seen her crying at the southern border in while. Thought that's all she did? |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:36:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: Let me get this straight: The community is DIVIDED on the issue, because some of them adamantly oppose the idea of the girl being tossed on the ground and some of them adamantly support it???? The country is socially & politically balkanized for a reason. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 3:34:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: With millions (probably billions) of contacts, these events are isolated. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: Originally Posted By millfire517: How many isolated incidents this year so far With millions (probably billions) of contacts, these events are isolated. Then please point to some of the videos showing the supposedly common incident where on duty Cop A fucks up and violates rights but luckily Cop B steps in and arrests Cop A. If it's all isolated incidents, why is it that every time all the cops on the scene are participants, or fail to stop the lawbreaker? And finally, why does it matter if it's an isolated incident. I mean, guy robs a bank. How much credit does he get if he's gone to a bank 100 times in his life and 99 times out of 100 he didn't rob it. The 1 time out of 100 when he robbed it, that's an isolated incident so it shouldn't count! |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 5:18:42 AM EDT
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When a town of 1751 people think they need a police department, this is what you get...
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Posted: 4/25/2024 6:12:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 219Zipper: Then please point to some of the videos showing the supposedly common incident where on duty Cop A fucks up and violates rights but luckily Cop B steps in and arrests Cop A. If it's all isolated incidents, why is it that every time all the cops on the scene are participants, or fail to stop the lawbreaker? And finally, why does it matter if it's an isolated incident. I mean, guy robs a bank. How much credit does he get if he's gone to a bank 100 times in his life and 99 times out of 100 he didn't rob it. The 1 time out of 100 when he robbed it, that's an isolated incident so it shouldn't count! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 219Zipper: Originally Posted By UV18: Originally Posted By millfire517: How many isolated incidents this year so far With millions (probably billions) of contacts, these events are isolated. Then please point to some of the videos showing the supposedly common incident where on duty Cop A fucks up and violates rights but luckily Cop B steps in and arrests Cop A. If it's all isolated incidents, why is it that every time all the cops on the scene are participants, or fail to stop the lawbreaker? And finally, why does it matter if it's an isolated incident. I mean, guy robs a bank. How much credit does he get if he's gone to a bank 100 times in his life and 99 times out of 100 he didn't rob it. The 1 time out of 100 when he robbed it, that's an isolated incident so it shouldn't count! Not an arrest but the incident where Cop B (female, if it matters) pulled Cop A away from pepper spraying the occupant of a car comes to mind. IIRC, there was a huge shit-storm over that. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 6:25:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diesel1: Not an arrest but the incident where Cop B (female, if it matters) pulled Cop A away from pepper spraying the occupant of a car comes to mind. IIRC, there was a huge shit-storm over that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diesel1: Originally Posted By 219Zipper: Originally Posted By UV18: Originally Posted By millfire517: How many isolated incidents this year so far With millions (probably billions) of contacts, these events are isolated. Then please point to some of the videos showing the supposedly common incident where on duty Cop A fucks up and violates rights but luckily Cop B steps in and arrests Cop A. If it's all isolated incidents, why is it that every time all the cops on the scene are participants, or fail to stop the lawbreaker? And finally, why does it matter if it's an isolated incident. I mean, guy robs a bank. How much credit does he get if he's gone to a bank 100 times in his life and 99 times out of 100 he didn't rob it. The 1 time out of 100 when he robbed it, that's an isolated incident so it shouldn't count! Not an arrest but the incident where Cop B (female, if it matters) pulled Cop A away from pepper spraying the occupant of a car comes to mind. IIRC, there was a huge shit-storm over that. Then he grabbed her by the neck. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 6:27:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: diesel1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gator96: When a town of 1751 people think they need a police department, this is what you get... Truth! You're in TX. Uvalde was a WTF in that I never heard of school districts having their own police force, separate from the local municipality. That's a huge increment from "school resource officers" which, IMO, are also useless. Here in WI, this mostly rural township of about 30 square miles and 4000 people has a full-time police force, maybe 6 employees and about $800K/year budget. How did it get to that point? "Big city thinking", "Empire Building" and "Karenism". Comparable nearby townships with similar demographics contract with the county sheriff's department at a fraction of the cost. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 6:31:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buzz69: Then he grabbed her by the neck. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buzz69: Originally Posted By diesel1: Originally Posted By 219Zipper: Originally Posted By UV18: Originally Posted By millfire517: How many isolated incidents this year so far With millions (probably billions) of contacts, these events are isolated. Then please point to some of the videos showing the supposedly common incident where on duty Cop A fucks up and violates rights but luckily Cop B steps in and arrests Cop A. If it's all isolated incidents, why is it that every time all the cops on the scene are participants, or fail to stop the lawbreaker? And finally, why does it matter if it's an isolated incident. I mean, guy robs a bank. How much credit does he get if he's gone to a bank 100 times in his life and 99 times out of 100 he didn't rob it. The 1 time out of 100 when he robbed it, that's an isolated incident so it shouldn't count! Not an arrest but the incident where Cop B (female, if it matters) pulled Cop A away from pepper spraying the occupant of a car comes to mind. IIRC, there was a huge shit-storm over that. Then he grabbed her by the neck. I think this is it: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Florida-cop-grabs-female-officer-by-the-throat-and-shoves-her-into-patrol-car/5-2522670/?page=1 |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 6:42:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhereg: It might be wrong, and the cop is in the wrong, but I was always taught not to argue w/ a cop on the side of the road. I've pointed this video out to my son multiple times over the years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhereg: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By jhereg: Polite command. As I've explained to my son I can say "Please take the trash out." He and I both know it's an order, but it's couched in polite language and sounds way better than "Take the fucking trash out!" The only way a "polite command" with ambiguous terms works as an order is if we all accept that everything a cop "asks" is an order. Just realize that means no more voluntary statements and no consensual searches. That seems like a poor trade versus just stating when a thing is an order. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8The days of laughing it off are completely gone. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 6:55:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diesel1: I think this is it: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Florida-cop-grabs-female-officer-by-the-throat-and-shoves-her-into-patrol-car/5-2522670/?page=1 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diesel1: Originally Posted By Buzz69: Originally Posted By diesel1: Originally Posted By 219Zipper: Originally Posted By UV18: Originally Posted By millfire517: How many isolated incidents this year so far With millions (probably billions) of contacts, these events are isolated. Then please point to some of the videos showing the supposedly common incident where on duty Cop A fucks up and violates rights but luckily Cop B steps in and arrests Cop A. If it's all isolated incidents, why is it that every time all the cops on the scene are participants, or fail to stop the lawbreaker? And finally, why does it matter if it's an isolated incident. I mean, guy robs a bank. How much credit does he get if he's gone to a bank 100 times in his life and 99 times out of 100 he didn't rob it. The 1 time out of 100 when he robbed it, that's an isolated incident so it shouldn't count! Not an arrest but the incident where Cop B (female, if it matters) pulled Cop A away from pepper spraying the occupant of a car comes to mind. IIRC, there was a huge shit-storm over that. Then he grabbed her by the neck. I think this is it: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Florida-cop-grabs-female-officer-by-the-throat-and-shoves-her-into-patrol-car/5-2522670/?page=1 That’s him. Love this gem of a reply. Why isn't she fired for putting her hands on a supervisor while he was dealing with a prisoner? |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 6:57:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GeneralDisaray]
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I feel like these new incidents align directly when cops started acting like patrolling the streets is kicking in the doors of falluja. When they all started doing the whole punisher thing, tatted up with full beards.
Almost like role play. I mean for fucks sake you’re driving around handing out tickets in the United States - literally the top country in the world lol |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:00:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeneralDisaray: I feel like these new incidents align directly when cops started acting like patrolling the streets is kicking in the doors of falluja. When they all started doing the whole punisher thing, tatted up with full beards. Almost like role play. I mean for fucks sake you’re driving around handing out tickets in the United States - literally the top country in the world lol Gosh, it's almost like recruiting former military into law enforcement was a stupid fucking idea. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:03:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeneralDisaray: I feel like these new incidents align directly when cops started acting like patrolling the streets is kicking in the doors of falluja. When they all started doing the whole punisher thing, tatted up with full beards. Almost like role play. I mean for fucks sake you’re driving around handing out tickets in the United States - literally the top country in the world lol Yes, it's a totally safe job where no one is ever randomly ambushed and murdered by gangsters/drug runners/sovereign citizens with automatic weapons while trying to conduct a traffic stop. Cops should all be clean shaven with a suit and tie and even giving them a gun is pointless since everyone is so polite and respectful. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:14:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: I love how they fired him out of a concern for the officer’s safety rather than for lying or excessive force. He’s the real victim here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By swolliepop: Originally Posted By steelworker: WANE TV Update thanks for linking. as expected, very ambiguous feedback to the public, as expect from public officials. I love how they fired him out of a concern for the officer’s safety rather than for lying or excessive force. He’s the real victim here. He will get a new police job some where else unlike the rest of us who would pull a.stunt like that. Our careers would be over in whatever field we work in. Back to the soup lines for us. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:50:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: The country is socially & politically balkanized for a reason. I wonder how a city of 1751 people is balkanized. It might be interesting to see how many supporters you have left after excluding everybody who got an invitation to the Town Marshal's wedding. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:58:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buzz69: That’s him. Love this gem of a reply. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buzz69: Originally Posted By diesel1: Originally Posted By Buzz69: Originally Posted By diesel1: Originally Posted By 219Zipper: Originally Posted By UV18: Originally Posted By millfire517: How many isolated incidents this year so far With millions (probably billions) of contacts, these events are isolated. Then please point to some of the videos showing the supposedly common incident where on duty Cop A fucks up and violates rights but luckily Cop B steps in and arrests Cop A. If it's all isolated incidents, why is it that every time all the cops on the scene are participants, or fail to stop the lawbreaker? And finally, why does it matter if it's an isolated incident. I mean, guy robs a bank. How much credit does he get if he's gone to a bank 100 times in his life and 99 times out of 100 he didn't rob it. The 1 time out of 100 when he robbed it, that's an isolated incident so it shouldn't count! Not an arrest but the incident where Cop B (female, if it matters) pulled Cop A away from pepper spraying the occupant of a car comes to mind. IIRC, there was a huge shit-storm over that. Then he grabbed her by the neck. I think this is it: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Florida-cop-grabs-female-officer-by-the-throat-and-shoves-her-into-patrol-car/5-2522670/?page=1 That’s him. Love this gem of a reply. Why isn't she fired for putting her hands on a supervisor while he was dealing with a prisoner? Guess who was charged with felony assault and who wasn’t. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:59:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARCNA442: Yes, it's a totally safe job where no one is ever randomly ambushed and murdered by gangsters/drug runners/sovereign citizens with automatic weapons while trying to conduct a traffic stop. Cops should all be clean shaven with a suit and tie and even giving them a gun is pointless since everyone is so polite and respectful. It’s not a very dangerous job. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 8:00:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keymaster4225: Gosh, it's almost like recruiting former military into law enforcement was a stupid fucking idea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keymaster4225: Originally Posted By GeneralDisaray: I feel like these new incidents align directly when cops started acting like patrolling the streets is kicking in the doors of falluja. When they all started doing the whole punisher thing, tatted up with full beards. Almost like role play. I mean for fucks sake you’re driving around handing out tickets in the United States - literally the top country in the world lol Gosh, it's almost like recruiting former military into law enforcement was a stupid fucking idea. 
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Posted: 4/25/2024 8:22:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARCNA442: Yes, it's a totally safe job where no one is ever randomly ambushed and murdered by gangsters/drug runners/sovereign citizens with automatic weapons while trying to conduct a traffic stop. Cops should all be clean shaven with a suit and tie and even giving them a gun is pointless since everyone is so polite and respectful. Did that young girl give off a gangster/drug runner/sovereign citizen vibe? Was she packing? Does South Whitley, IN have a gang/drug problem? Regardless, is it acceptable to lie in a sworn testimony statement about a defendant's actions? How about just conducting business correctly? Or otherwise, maybe just choose a different line of work. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 8:33:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keymaster4225: Gosh, it's almost like recruiting former military into law enforcement was a stupid fucking idea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keymaster4225: Originally Posted By GeneralDisaray: I feel like these new incidents align directly when cops started acting like patrolling the streets is kicking in the doors of falluja. When they all started doing the whole punisher thing, tatted up with full beards. Almost like role play. I mean for fucks sake you’re driving around handing out tickets in the United States - literally the top country in the world lol Gosh, it's almost like recruiting former military into law enforcement was a stupid fucking idea. From my perspective, I've noticed that the large majority of BTDT former military guys, at least that I encounter are some of the strongest critics of these sorts of things. The further away you get from SOF type guys, or infantry, the more TBL behavior I've seen, as far as cops that are/were military. On twitter especially, the SF guys seem to jump on bad cops pretty quickly. One exception I can think of is the acorn cop, who was SF. I'm sure there are others. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 8:56:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LawyerUp: From my perspective, I've noticed that the large majority of BTDT former military guys, at least that I encounter are some of the strongest critics of these sorts of things. The further away you get from SOF type guys, or infantry, the more TBL behavior I've seen, as far as cops that are/were military. On twitter especially, the SF guys seem to jump on bad cops pretty quickly. One exception I can think of is the acorn cop, who was SF. I'm sure there are others. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LawyerUp: Originally Posted By Keymaster4225: Originally Posted By GeneralDisaray: I feel like these new incidents align directly when cops started acting like patrolling the streets is kicking in the doors of falluja. When they all started doing the whole punisher thing, tatted up with full beards. Almost like role play. I mean for fucks sake you’re driving around handing out tickets in the United States - literally the top country in the world lol Gosh, it's almost like recruiting former military into law enforcement was a stupid fucking idea. From my perspective, I've noticed that the large majority of BTDT former military guys, at least that I encounter are some of the strongest critics of these sorts of things. The further away you get from SOF type guys, or infantry, the more TBL behavior I've seen, as far as cops that are/were military. On twitter especially, the SF guys seem to jump on bad cops pretty quickly. One exception I can think of is the acorn cop, who was SF. I'm sure there are others. I agree with this. Of the Ex mil LEO I know they are actually the most even keeled. It’s the d bags that graduated high school became cops and all of a sudden think they are seals that are the problem. That’s why I say it’s the larpers that are an issue and the respek my authorati types. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 8:57:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARCNA442: Yes, it's a totally safe job where no one is ever randomly ambushed and murdered by gangsters/drug runners/sovereign citizens with automatic weapons while trying to conduct a traffic stop. Cops should all be clean shaven with a suit and tie and even giving them a gun is pointless since everyone is so polite and respectful. I don’t even have to respond to this because the stupidity within your post has already been called out. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 10:14:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: diesel1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Guess who was charged with felony assault and who wasn’t. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By Buzz69: Originally Posted By diesel1: Originally Posted By Buzz69: Originally Posted By diesel1: Originally Posted By 219Zipper: Originally Posted By UV18: Originally Posted By millfire517: How many isolated incidents this year so far With millions (probably billions) of contacts, these events are isolated. Then please point to some of the videos showing the supposedly common incident where on duty Cop A fucks up and violates rights but luckily Cop B steps in and arrests Cop A. If it's all isolated incidents, why is it that every time all the cops on the scene are participants, or fail to stop the lawbreaker? And finally, why does it matter if it's an isolated incident. I mean, guy robs a bank. How much credit does he get if he's gone to a bank 100 times in his life and 99 times out of 100 he didn't rob it. The 1 time out of 100 when he robbed it, that's an isolated incident so it shouldn't count! Not an arrest but the incident where Cop B (female, if it matters) pulled Cop A away from pepper spraying the occupant of a car comes to mind. IIRC, there was a huge shit-storm over that. Then he grabbed her by the neck. I think this is it: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Florida-cop-grabs-female-officer-by-the-throat-and-shoves-her-into-patrol-car/5-2522670/?page=1 That’s him. Love this gem of a reply. Why isn't she fired for putting her hands on a supervisor while he was dealing with a prisoner? Guess who was charged with felony assault and who wasn’t. Of course, the same old "circle the wagons" mentality. The girl that got body-slammed was charged too, but it was eventually dismissed. "Guess who" comment was obtuse. What was "the rest of the story" on that incident? If the female got charged it's good reason why the "good cops" won't do anything about the "bad cops". |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 10:47:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diesel1: I think this is it: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Florida-cop-grabs-female-officer-by-the-throat-and-shoves-her-into-patrol-car/5-2522670/?page=1 The best case was the one out of FL where a cop in a squad was chased almost 12 miles by a state trooper. More than justified stop as he was driving at 100 mph and just on his way to a side gig. The revenge by other departments and personnel not even involved was interesting. Female trooper was totally in the right, the culture really showed its stripes. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:13:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beltfed308: The best case was the one out of FL where a cop in a squad was chased almost 12 miles by a state trooper. More than justified stop as he was driving at 100 mph and just on his way to a side gig. The revenge by other departments and personnel not even involved was interesting. Female trooper was totally in the right, the culture really showed its stripes. agreed. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:26:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LawyerUp: From my perspective, I've noticed that the large majority of BTDT former military guys, at least that I encounter are some of the strongest critics of these sorts of things. The further away you get from SOF type guys, or infantry, the more TBL behavior I've seen, as far as cops that are/were military. On twitter especially, the SF guys seem to jump on bad cops pretty quickly. One exception I can think of is the acorn cop, who was SF. I'm sure there are others. Illustration of this: I was in the chow hall at Blackwater eating lunch with members of my class and the instructors many moons ago. The class is all military guys from a couple of different units who were doing training on their own dime prior to going back to the sandbox for another round of fun and wonder. The instructors were SEALs who were between deployments picking up money. I was probably the only dude in the class who hadn't killed people. In another class there was this dude who had a SWAT tattoo. He was from some small hamlet up in the mid-west that obviously had lots of funding as he and the couple of guys he was with arrived in an absolutely striking RV looking thing decked out for SWAT stuff. I asked one of the other guys what their usual call outs were on and he said "We only had one call-out last year. None so far this year." SWAT tattoo boy was there all week and the motherfucker would yell YOU'RE EITHER SWAT OR YOU'RE NOT at seemingly random intervals like some sort of autistic kid. That guy was like that Ron White joke about the bouncers who watch Road House every night and touch themselves. He's saying that shit in a room full of Rangers, SEALs, a bunch of fed and local LE, etc. Dude was a douche and it was obvious. Real violence comes...at least if you're not a fucking psycho...from facing malevolence on the other side. That's not a lot of fun. Some guys do legitimately itch for the fight, but it's for a fight and not whipping up on somebody who is unable to present one. The BTDT types rarely get their jollies from fucking somebody up needlessly. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:40:45 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: It’s not a very dangerous job. Doesn't even crack the top 25 https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/03/02/most-dangerous-jobs-america-database/11264064002/ |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 8:18:27 PM EDT
[#37]
I'll ask again:
What authority did Officer Numbskull have to order her from the vehicle in the first place? It was a simple moving/equipment violation, FFS! |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 8:36:51 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Former11BRAVO: I'll ask again: What authority did Officer Numbskull have to order her from the vehicle in the first place? It was a simple moving/equipment violation, FFS! It's long established law that you can be asked to step out on a traffic stop. Supreme court ruled they can control the scene. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 8:41:10 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: It's long established law that you can be asked to step out on a traffic stop. Supreme court ruled they can control the scene. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By Former11BRAVO: I'll ask again: What authority did Officer Numbskull have to order her from the vehicle in the first place? It was a simple moving/equipment violation, FFS! It's long established law that you can be asked to step out on a traffic stop. Supreme court ruled they can control the scene. My understanding though is that the officer opening the car door is unconstitutional. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:14:25 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DV8EDD: Doesn't even crack the top 25 https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/03/02/most-dangerous-jobs-america-database/11264064002/ Paywall blocks your list. The list I found puts police officers at #22. Garbage collectors and crossing guards are higher on the list. Loggers are #1, of course... |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:08:13 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: My understanding though is that the officer opening the car door is unconstitutional. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By Former11BRAVO: I'll ask again: What authority did Officer Numbskull have to order her from the vehicle in the first place? It was a simple moving/equipment violation, FFS! It's long established law that you can be asked to step out on a traffic stop. Supreme court ruled they can control the scene. My understanding though is that the officer opening the car door is unconstitutional. Heaven forbid someone not comply instantly because they are confused. Or if they comply too fast, they get assaulted or killed because they moved too fast. What was the time frame from opening words to slamming on the ground, less than 30 seconds? Whatever the time frame, if it's to be reasonable, let's let the former cop be surprised and given that amount of time before he's violently assaulted. Then see what he thinks about reasonable interactions |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:52:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: My understanding though is that the officer opening the car door is unconstitutional. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By Former11BRAVO: I'll ask again: What authority did Officer Numbskull have to order her from the vehicle in the first place? It was a simple moving/equipment violation, FFS! It's long established law that you can be asked to step out on a traffic stop. Supreme court ruled they can control the scene. My understanding though is that the officer opening the car door is unconstitutional. I can't speak to that as I have no idea. My guess is that they can open the door if you refuse to get out (assuming the stop is legit). I see so many vids with people making bad choices because they have a bad understanding of the law. I really wish there was more education on that stuff because there are plenty of times where it's a normal legitimate stop or encounter and the person escalates because they think they are right and in the worst cases they end up getting hurt or killed. The crazy amount of auditor type videos with idiots spouting incorrect info certainly doesn't help anyone. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 6:39:27 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: My understanding though is that the officer opening the car door is unconstitutional. The supreme court established awhile ago that you can be ordered out of the vehicle and must comply. Personally I don't like it when cops use it as a power trip simply because someone is questioning things. A few moments of explanation go a long ways in de-escalation most of the time. There will always be the person that no amount of explaining will matter, but at least the officer tried. Especially in todays world of everything being recorded. Only dick cops get clicks on youtube. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 6:48:06 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeneralDisaray: I don’t even have to respond to this because the stupidity within your post has already been called out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeneralDisaray: Originally Posted By ARCNA442: Yes, it's a totally safe job where no one is ever randomly ambushed and murdered by gangsters/drug runners/sovereign citizens with automatic weapons while trying to conduct a traffic stop. Cops should all be clean shaven with a suit and tie and even giving them a gun is pointless since everyone is so polite and respectful. I don’t even have to respond to this because the stupidity within your post has already been called out. While it is kind of dumb, the more regular cops dress like swat and the military, the more they seem to have ''issues'' with dealing with the public. If the phrase ''the clothes make the man'' has any truth to it, maybe departments with issues need to look at the attire they want their officers to wear. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:15:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AmishElectrician]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Former11BRAVO: I'll ask again: What authority did Officer Numbskull have to order her from the vehicle in the first place? It was a simple moving/equipment violation, FFS! PA vs Mimms The Ruling in Pennsylvania v. Mimms. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that it is not a violation of the Fourth Amendment to order someone out of their car and frisk them. They claimed that the officers' safety far outweighed the slight inconvenience of asking a motorist to exit their vehicle while on a traffic stop. But... When its a simple nothing stop on a high school girl? And there is not perceivable threat? Its a domination move. The same reason if someone mouths off to a cop they suddenly want ID where previously it didn't matter. Its to tell you and make it known who the fuck is in charge. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:03:57 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmishElectrician: PA vs Mimms The Ruling in Pennsylvania v. Mimms. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that it is not a violation of the Fourth Amendment to order someone out of their car and frisk them. They claimed that the officers' safety far outweighed the slight inconvenience of asking a motorist to exit their vehicle while on a traffic stop. But... When its a simple nothing stop on a high school girl? And there is not perceivable threat? Its a domination move. The same reason if someone mouths off to a cop they suddenly want ID where previously it didn't matter. Its to tell you and make it known who the fuck is in charge. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmishElectrician: Originally Posted By Former11BRAVO: I'll ask again: What authority did Officer Numbskull have to order her from the vehicle in the first place? It was a simple moving/equipment violation, FFS! PA vs Mimms The Ruling in Pennsylvania v. Mimms. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that it is not a violation of the Fourth Amendment to order someone out of their car and frisk them. They claimed that the officers' safety far outweighed the slight inconvenience of asking a motorist to exit their vehicle while on a traffic stop. But... When its a simple nothing stop on a high school girl? And there is not perceivable threat? Its a domination move. The same reason if someone mouths off to a cop they suddenly want ID where previously it didn't matter. Its to tell you and make it known who the fuck is in charge. And then officer friendly can use innocent confusion to escalate and stay ahead of the "perp" followed with creative reporting to justify himself. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 2:44:12 AM EDT
[#47]
https://youtu.be/iEWAsdSmdrQ?si=bTAWPb8M-WZopPvj
This is a council meeting from that town. A bunch of idiots actually turned up to defend the cop. The local officials were also whining about people being mean to them online. One guy said that Schimmel stopped and IDed his own teenager daughter twice and then sent her home, and it wasn't a big deal. What kind of bootlick is happy about his young daughter getting stopped for no reason by some ill-tempered halfwit who's worked for five different departments in the three years? Like Attorney Bryan said in the video, if this incident doesn't piss you off, there is something seriously wrong with you. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/27/2024 6:59:42 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClenbuterolDestroyer: https://youtu.be/iEWAsdSmdrQ?si=bTAWPb8M-WZopPvj This is a council meeting from that town. A bunch of idiots actually turned up to defend the cop. The local officials were also whining about people being mean to them online. One guy said that Schimmel stopped and IDed his own teenager daughter twice and then sent her home, and it wasn't a big deal. What kind of bootlick is happy about his young daughter getting stopped for no reason by some ill-tempered halfwit who's worked for five different departments in the three years? Like Attorney Bryan said in the video, if this incident doesn't piss you off, there is something seriously wrong with you. She was stopped for speeding, which is legitimate, but the short fuse temper & the ensuing overreactive hyperbole in the way things were handled was not. This somewhat reminds me of another vid Bryan posted of a traffic stop wherein the officer highly mischaracterized the subject as being overly nervous because he was "sucking all the oxygen out of the air", which was a completely bogus statement, the guy did not present as nervous in the slightest. I'm actually rather surprised by attempts to mischaracterize & misrepresent facts when bodycam video is standard procedure these days, leaving an extremely paper thin margin for creative reporting. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:42:24 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClenbuterolDestroyer: https://youtu.be/iEWAsdSmdrQ?si=bTAWPb8M-WZopPvj This is a council meeting from that town. A bunch of idiots actually turned up to defend the cop. The local officials were also whining about people being mean to them online. One guy said that Schimmel stopped and IDed his own teenager daughter twice and then sent her home, and it wasn't a big deal. What kind of bootlick is happy about his young daughter getting stopped for no reason by some ill-tempered halfwit who's worked for five different departments in the three years? Like Attorney Bryan said in the video, if this incident doesn't piss you off, there is something seriously wrong with you. Outdated belief system of bAkC dUh bLeW! based on watching heroic cop shows on TV. This clown can watch a video of real-life events and still doesn't have the IQ points required to shift his mindset. It's not startling, but rather a good reminder of just how fucking dumb so many people are. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:09:40 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmishElectrician: PA vs Mimms The Ruling in Pennsylvania v. Mimms. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that it is not a violation of the Fourth Amendment to order someone out of their car and frisk them. They claimed that the officers' safety far outweighed the slight inconvenience of asking a motorist to exit their vehicle while on a traffic stop. But... When its a simple nothing stop on a high school girl? And there is not perceivable threat? It's a domination move. The same reason if someone mouths off to a cop they suddenly want ID where previously it didn't matter. It's to tell you and make it known who the fuck is in charge. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmishElectrician: Originally Posted By Former11BRAVO: I'll ask again: What authority did Officer Numbskull have to order her from the vehicle in the first place? It was a simple moving/equipment violation, FFS! PA vs Mimms The Ruling in Pennsylvania v. Mimms. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that it is not a violation of the Fourth Amendment to order someone out of their car and frisk them. They claimed that the officers' safety far outweighed the slight inconvenience of asking a motorist to exit their vehicle while on a traffic stop. But... When its a simple nothing stop on a high school girl? And there is not perceivable threat? It's a domination move. The same reason if someone mouths off to a cop they suddenly want ID where previously it didn't matter. It's to tell you and make it known who the fuck is in charge. You have to keep in mind that the SCOTUS defines what state actors CANNOT do - IOW, just a threshold. It doesn't proactively authorize state or local law enforcement, or federal for that matter, to actually DO anything. PA v. Mimms says an LEO can order a driver out of a car under certain circumstances. However, that assumes that the LEO is already acting under authority of state law. Thus it's conceivable that a particular LEO isn't authorized to do that, b/c states are always free to be more restrictive with LEO than whatever threshold the SCOTUS sets. I was kind of surprised to see here that it does not appear to be a crime, e.g., obstruction, in Indiana, to just refuse, or fail, to get out of a car under these circumstances, absent some threat. Whereas most states will just call that obstruction - not obeying some order based on a vague subjective claim of officer safety. Which is how it should be, at the very least, IMO. |
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