So the cop that shot into a car after an acorn falling was former SF.... Do we have other non-mil cops that have fired into cars from an acorn hitting the patrol vehicle?

And Schimmel was in the military too, right?

I don't think there's any broad brush to paint about cops and former military. I've had a lot of experience with cops both former military and not former military, and if anything I've personally seen more hesitancy to pull the trigger with combat vet military. I'm also not convinced that those are just particular personalities at play, and not necessarily due to military experience. That being said, I'm just saying I've encountered a lot of SOF guys who are sort of knee-jerk suspicious of cops, as most intelligent people would be, minus additional information to act on. If that makes any sense...

eta: which is also the sentiment I get from retired or near-retired btdt career LEOs... b/c they know they government will fuck them too if need be.

It is WEAK at best. With his other actions afterwards and his lying, his PC should be even more scrutinized because of it. Being such a low speed violation, I doubt the number he provided even more.

When I paced, it was next to or much closer. You need to maintain a distance OR have that distance increased. I follow your car at 45. If I never get closer, you are doing 45. It is easier if you are pulling away because then you are doing over 45. That is a much easier one to defend in court for the gov. My speed was XX but you had to be going faster since your distance was increasing.

I agree. Guys with any decent experience will ALWAYS question and critique those. I have worked with some good and bad, so I gave up on the broad brush for mil SF. One of the worst was a Recon guy, but the SF guys says his experience didn't count for anything He was trigger happy and an abusive liar. He got canned not quick enough though to cost the agency a ton of money.

Worst spastic person on a call was a former SEAL. We doubted him so much that he brought in pics and other memorabilia. I was expected him to be cool and maintain control, but he just had a Q-bert energy he couldn't contain!

Had a tackleberry type too. Made some claims about SF but he began dancing when I asked a couple of simple questions. Got outed in a briefing by a Delta guy I contracted with before we both hired on. Found out he got booted halfway through training.

After a couple of decades of doing this, I learned that the mil is not always a better screener than just what you get from general society. Some units attract those that are more likely to be better at certain things but they don't always transfer to LE well. The SEAL is the prime example. Great guy. Great shooter. But just ok at deconfliction. He found his niche and was a perfect fit for it though.

If you get guys that have really BTDT, then their review of things is often decent. The problem is that you can't think solely because a person was doing XX that they are competent or were even a good fit at what they were doing. Idiots are everywhere. There is a moron in every group. If you can't figure out who it is, you are probably him.

Since the officer “forgot” to activate his body camera before the use of force we have to rely on his explanation to the other officer where he said he “asked” her to get out of the car.  So per his own words he didn’t order her out of the car, making the use of force illegal IMHO.

I find it interesting that Terry requires RAS that the person is armed and dangerous before a pat down can be constitutional, but I guess being in a car makes that low bar not even necessary.

I was involved in a traffic stop once were a town cop pulled over my friend and I and then started a bunch of shit. I was one of 3 passengers in the car and sitting in the back seat and he ask for everyone's  Drivers License. I told him I didn't have my DL and he went off about how it was the law that I carry my DL at all times and told me to get out of the car.. I fired back about how he was full of shit and a fucking liar as no law required me to have a DL if I wasn't driving.

As this is going on another officer pulls up and gets out and walks up to us. He ask me what the problem was and after telling him what was going on he asked the other cop why he has to cause trouble every time he pulls someone over. He must have been the liars supervisor because he told him to go back to his car and he would take care of the stop.

The second cop ask for my name and then told me to get back in the car. In the end he wrote my friend a ticket for littering which he deserved so at least once I have seen a cop step in when another one is wrong.

I don't recall any one saying a cops job is totally safe but since you bring it up being a cop doesn't even make the top ten dangerous jobs

I used to have a family friend that was a West Palm Beach Sheriff Deputy that I thought was a good guy. I ask him about that and he went off about how that trooper was wrong and so on and so on.

Terry includes the car. You don't get a free pat down for everything. The justification still must exist.

I argue against the vehicle pat downs too. If there is a weapon in the car and I pull you out, shut the door, why do I need to go secure the weapon? You are away from it now. I am under the 9th Circus and there is some not clear case law on it. Possession, alone, is not a criminal offense. Unless there is something more, you will have a hard time articulating the search.

Wow that cop was a total asshole.

I might have had words with him if I was the guy he spouted off to trying to leave the gas station.

This is why people hate cops with a power trip. These types need to be purged from the ranks.

Hope this girl gets a free college ride from the town PD.

I wouldn't have, I would have just smiled and started to video and audio record him, that would have pissed him off more then anything you could say.  Evil hates the light of day more then anything else.

if she does, it’ll be courtesy of the taxpayers, not the town’s PD.

SCOTUS  gives broad discretion to the trained LE professional to determine his own acceptable risk level before removing the dangerous subject from the vehicle.

Here the LEO provided written explanation of the danger he was trying to ameliorate by removing the girl from the car: The heavy traffic level making it safer for both of them to remove her from the car and place her in front of the patrol vehicle. (said heavy traffic consisting of the zero cars per minute flowing through that lane of the gas station, which the patrol vehicle effectively blocked).

In other words, if she was going to spend valuable seconds removing her ID from her lanyard, she could stand out in the rain while she did it, so he didn't have to be alone in getting wet. The fact that removing her from the car delayed the production of ID was lost on his feeble brain.  

We have a BUNCH of those fucksticks on this very site.

We don't disagree. I simply pointed out that speeding satisfies RS. He could've pulled her over for going +1 over & would've been "legal", albeit bogus, & it would've been thrown out. But he couldn't have been terminated over it, since it's following the law. People have been tagged for +1 over. Face it, dicks can get away with being dicks in LE, & it happens a lot. Let's not play pretend. If corroborated by a speed cam or laser/radar, the stop would have satisfied RS.

"Pacing" is not exactly complicated, but I'm not a fan of it because absent a dash cam with speedometer display, there's no evidence; it relies hearsay testimony, of which I'm not a fan, not matter the source.

Being militarized is the solution, not the problem. Being civil service or unionized hourly employees working for municipalities is the problem.

Well, they can quit then which is 100% different and opposite then being actual Military. Plus, there are pesky little Amendments that kind of nix military power over civilians.

So this is the incident that got Schimmel suspended for 10 days from one of his previous jobs.

He tried to tackle a stock car driver who was arguing with another driver after a collision.

There was no reason for him to try and take the driver down, and he was totally incapable of getting him under control.

This is probably why he got such a rush out of manhandling that little girl.


https://streamable.com/fdu2ok

Got a version without a white guy rapping?

There’s absolutely nothing in the constitution from preventing a state military from being used as law enforcement.

I agree 100% with the part in blue.

The broad brush that all cops get painted with is what raises my hackles.

Good things government didn't circle the equine around the unstable cop.

That might make people less trusting.

Does the 2nd officer mag dumping along with acorn cop count?

Already been discussed in this thread.....

It would be awesome!

Just one step below being federally controlled, which is what the leftists want. Federal LE only.

Your request is only reportable to the state, so you might as well only have state ran LE. I mean, they are the best at everything anyways, right?

How do I get the F-16 job? The helicopter flies to slow at times and we really need the capability to drop ordinance. And a tank.... can I drive the tank? Our old APC was fun and the Bearcat is a much easier ride, but I could see the use of a tank. Waco showed us the best ways to use them, so why not!

Were they ex-mil too?

I guess the time stamp didn't work on embed.

My apologies.


https://streamable.com/fdu2ok

Everyone wants to be part of an exclusive and powerful club where you are protected from the consequences of swinging your dick around.  It's also a blatantly unethical construct but, it is what it is.  With cops it has an illusion of legitimacy which stems from "most of the people we deal with are bad people"/"Thin Blue Line keeping society safe".

@John_Wayne777 : were they from Indiana by any chance?  

Back during the GWOT I attended an event at the east coast SEAL sniper training compound as a guest of a friend who was an instructor.  Some little SWAT dude was there with a couple others from his Indiana based team, I don't remember what Agency.  And it was pretty obvious that our Little SWAT Man was trying to out yap, out drink, out swear, and out jizz everyone there.  The way he bragged and yapped about shwacking people raised a bunch of eyebrows too, since he was domestic LE and dealing with Citizens.

SWAT tattoos - who woulda thunk it.  

I asked my buddy and his roomie about it, they both rolled their eyes and had some less than complimentary things to say.  That is putting it diplomatically.    

I doubt she ever met the SF/.mil standard being discussed. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

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Oh, my.  Definitely LawyerUp's thumbnail, not the cops over reaction.  Yup.

Diabolical!