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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:36:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RIP-Yataski: Your case is getting stronger...  |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:38:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/315192/IMG_3624_png-3191625.JPG 
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:39:00 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: Meat packing plants are paying fairly well |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:39:00 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryThe American dream isn’t good enough for you? |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:41:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Meat packing plants also seem to give preferential hiring to "guest labor". I'm not saying it isn't doable and I actually commend those that do make that lifestyle work, and there are many people that do. However, it's fundamentally not a tenable idea to just tell everyone to do that. Those places are cheap due to low demand. If everybody started moving out to dying towns in the northeast, for example, they wouldn't be dying anymore and land values would skyrocket. The sad part is that the land values really shouldn't be that low to begin with in an area like rural New York for instance. It's purely the result of government policy decisions resulting in depressed market conditions, or in other words, nobody wants to live in that shithole state. I know a lot of people that work at the mill or the packing plant. It’s good pay, insurance, they even give 2 weeks of vacation a year. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:41:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wakeboarder: Imagine raising a family on less than $250k The horror. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:42:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: linky to said houses? There are _hundreds_ of small towns across the Midwest where skilled labor makes $100k plus and decent homes in safe neighborhoods are <$300k. Literally search realtor.com in any town under 10k people in sw WI as one example. It certainly isn't as easy as it once was. You do have to look in places with shitty weather, bad scenery where Culvers is a "nice" restaurant. It's not like people didn't move to places they didn't want to go for economic opportunities in the past. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:43:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: The American dream isn’t good enough for you? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: The American dream isn’t good enough for you? Nah, I'm speaking as an arfcom billionare. That house is nicer than mine. But my house is also paid for, and I've been living in it for 26 years.. So I got that going for me. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:44:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeffg: Doesn't matter how much you make, dumb poor people make dumb fucking decisions. Poor people make the world go round much more than rich people. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:44:32 PM EDT
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Mostly communist talking points.
Rich white folks talking about how hard it is for the folks that pay them inflated education costs for degrees in basket weaving. They covered all of the Democrat party talking points: Taylor Swift College Loan Debt Costs of Housing Low Pay Inflation All of these things are caused by reckless government spending and intervention. The solution is limited government. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:44:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Eldorado: ME AND MY WIFE MAKE 4 TIMES THAT AMOUNT And you still can't afford a keyboard with lowercase capabilities. See, the video is right! |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:44:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By makintrax73: There are _hundreds_ of small towns across the Midwest where skilled labor makes $100k plus and decent homes in safe neighborhoods are <$300k. Literally search realtor.com in any town under 10k people in sw WI as one example. It certainly isn't as easy as it once was. You do have to look in places with shitty weather, bad scenery where Culvers is a "nice" restaurant. It's not like people didn't move to places they didn't want to go for economic opportunities in the past. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By makintrax73: Originally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: linky to said houses? There are _hundreds_ of small towns across the Midwest where skilled labor makes $100k plus and decent homes in safe neighborhoods are <$300k. Literally search realtor.com in any town under 10k people in sw WI as one example. It certainly isn't as easy as it once was. You do have to look in places with shitty weather, bad scenery where Culvers is a "nice" restaurant. It's not like people didn't move to places they didn't want to go for economic opportunities in the past. Sir. Is your use of quotes supposed to refute the fact that Culver's fine dinning is anything but? |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:45:36 PM EDT
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Yeah no shit, it's called inflation. It comes from printing money.
People need to realize that the banks and large corporations don't benefit from the middle class becoming wealthier and wealthier. So it doesn't happen. They need the middle class to live perpetually paycheck to paycheck, and be deeply in debt. When we die, there is no generational wealth transferred, whatever is left of our estate goes back to the debtors. Their long term plan for us is that we will eventually own nothing and become the ultimate servants. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:46:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HRoark87: Sir. Is your use of quotes supposed to refute the fact that Culver's fine dinning is anything but? 
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:46:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By paul463: Nah, I'm speaking as an arfcom billionare. That house is nicer than mine. But my house is also paid for, and I've been living in it for 26 years.. So I got that going for me. My house isn’t up to arfcom standards, but I’ve got a river, 20 acre pond, 40 acres of crop land I cash rent + 50 acres of woods and grassland. I like it here. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:46:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BroomSlayer: Yeah no shit, it's called inflation. It comes from printing money. People need to realize that the banks and large corporations don't benefit from the middle class becoming wealthier and wealthier. So it doesn't happen. They need the middle class to live perpetually paycheck to paycheck, and be deeply in debt. When we die, there is no generational wealth transferred, whatever is left of our estate goes back to the debtors. Their long term plan for us is that we will eventually own nothing and become the ultimate servants. 
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:46:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:48:20 PM EDT
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 Doomed!!! Liberals forget people have legs, and cars, and know how to use them. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:49:28 PM EDT
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I only made it a few minutes in when I noticed how dumb/clickbait the article was.
The caption of the video say $100,000 salary. But the video is based on $100,000 household income. HUGE difference between a dual household income where two people make $100,000 vs a total income of $100,000. Yes, in a few places (NY, SF) it would still suck, but for the most part, I think a 200,000 household income is living the American dream, assuming you are not stupid with your money, and the dream is "realistic". |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:54:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: what if i told you that you've been a tax and/or wage slave your entire life? Yup, pretty much. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:56:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Keep giving the jobs to Pajeet and Pedro and this is the result. Yep, we're on our way to what Canada has. Los angles cost of living with west Virginia salaries.. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:57:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: My house isn’t up to arfcom standards, but I’ve got a river, 20 acre pond, 40 acres of crop land I cash rent + 50 acres of woods and grassland. I like it here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: Originally Posted By paul463: Nah, I'm speaking as an arfcom billionare. That house is nicer than mine. But my house is also paid for, and I've been living in it for 26 years.. So I got that going for me. My house isn’t up to arfcom standards, but I’ve got a river, 20 acre pond, 40 acres of crop land I cash rent + 50 acres of woods and grassland. I like it here.  I cruise Zillow from time to time.. I'm so fucking glad I'm not in the market for a house. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:58:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scalped: Do they come with an unfinished basement? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scalped: Originally Posted By Gspointer: You can’t get a 900sf house in a small town, a single decent used car, a 17” tv and a phone in the kitchen for 100k? Do they come with an unfinished basement? Sounds like the home I was born in - 925 sq.ft., three beds, 1.25 baths. Homes like that in town are going for $65,000. There's also bigger homes like a 1600 sq.ft. home 3 bed, 2 bath is $85,000. With just $8,500 (10%) down the principal and interest is $600 a month. Rule-of-thumb 33% means you need $1800 of take home or a job that pays about $12 an hour. McDonald's is hiring at +$14 an hour. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:03:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ruger556boy: Yep, we're on our way to what Canada has. Los angles cost of living with west Virginia salaries..  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:05:58 PM EDT
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Big Daddy the movie prepared me for this moment. I'm now confident in my ability to drop canned food to elicit a market's defective item discount.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:07:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scalped: Big Daddy the movie prepared me for this moment. I'm now confident in my ability to drop canned food to elicit a market's defective item discount. lucky.gif |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:09:58 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wakeboarder: Imagine raising a family on less than $250k We got one! |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:10:19 PM EDT
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Learn to Code
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:10:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: Record breaking Democrat inflation, how do it work? It sucked. Bank rates at for homes was the shit back in the late 1970s and early 1980s. We're getting close to bank rates that have just flirting one third those days record. No squish-wishy income either, if you were a self employed or worked for a small company it was difficult to even get a loan at the stupid +10% to 16% rates I graduated high school with. Student loans were about 12% IIRC. The best bank rates during high school were 8%. Then the they went to 10%, then 12%, then 15% while I was looking to get married and buy a house. The prices of the loans were changing by the month going up and up. By the time I joined the Navy home loans were at 16%. Buying a $65,000 home meant an $800 a month payment which didn't work out on my Navy pay of less than $580 a month before taxes as an E-3. Even an E-9 making $1800 after 30-years of service would struggle back then. It was murder. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:19:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Keep giving the jobs to Pajeet and Pedro and this is the result. How many $100k+ jobs have you applied for that were given to an Indian (or Mexican  ) that needed a H1-B visa?
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:22:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MisterPX: Say, $80k after taxes, I could pay off a nice home in 6 years. $80k after fed, state, local, health care, HSA and retirement is almost $150k before. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:31:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Eldorado: ME AND MY WIFE MAKE 4 TIMES THAT AMOUNT THAT'S ALL? LOL THOSE ARE ROOKIE NUMBERS TO TEH AVERAGE GD'ER CHIEF. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:40:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: How many $100k+ jobs have you applied for that were given to an Indian (or Mexican ) that needed a H1-B visa?Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: Originally Posted By odiedodi: Keep giving the jobs to Pajeet and Pedro and this is the result. How many $100k+ jobs have you applied for that were given to an Indian (or Mexican ) that needed a H1-B visa?All of them. And it’s 140k. They only hire other Indians. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:15:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: I know a lot of people that work at the mill or the packing plant. It’s good pay, insurance, they even give 2 weeks of vacation a year. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: Originally Posted By odiedodi: Meat packing plants also seem to give preferential hiring to "guest labor". I'm not saying it isn't doable and I actually commend those that do make that lifestyle work, and there are many people that do. However, it's fundamentally not a tenable idea to just tell everyone to do that. Those places are cheap due to low demand. If everybody started moving out to dying towns in the northeast, for example, they wouldn't be dying anymore and land values would skyrocket. The sad part is that the land values really shouldn't be that low to begin with in an area like rural New York for instance. It's purely the result of government policy decisions resulting in depressed market conditions, or in other words, nobody wants to live in that shithole state. I know a lot of people that work at the mill or the packing plant. It’s good pay, insurance, they even give 2 weeks of vacation a year. I work in the “trades” for a global manufacturer, and yes the benefits can be huge. Our lowest paid workers are topped out at $30 and change per hour plus benefits. They do a small 401k match, max is 3% of your wages is you are putting in at least 6%. And while I don’t know about newer employee percentages they are paying close to 90% of my health insurance. (Was slightly over don’t know currently but still dam close. ) While my pay is better because of “skilled trades” the benefits are the same, some healthcare plans determined by when enrolled. So in reality if an employee had worked for my employer for about 5-6 years with nothing more than a high school diploma and a clean hiring drug screen they will be making more than the average household income for my zip code. Then again you have to put up with factory bullshit but for the area you can live alright, especially with a working spouse. No you ain’t living the movie star life but can live a good life. All about priorities. On another note don’t think the woke shit ain’t in our schools either. It’s pervasive, thank you great interweb. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:16:58 PM EDT
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pfft. That's what I pay my personal ball washer.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:22:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SamuelAdams1776]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: How many $100k+ jobs have you applied for that were given to an Indian (or Mexican ) that needed a H1-B visa?Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: Originally Posted By odiedodi: Keep giving the jobs to Pajeet and Pedro and this is the result. How many $100k+ jobs have you applied for that were given to an Indian (or Mexican ) that needed a H1-B visa?We couldn't apply. Tech companies openly said that they don't want "Americans with passports" to represent their companies. ETA, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, as amended, protects employees and job applicants from employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex and national origin. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:32:13 PM EDT
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American dream isn't real. We had a post war boom and made it last, but the men that made it are long dead and we are just lesser copies.
Someone blew up the Georgia guidestones, but They were right all along. Humanity doesn't need 8 billion of which maybe 900 million are actually productive |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:38:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJ7365: Fucking Bullshit......quit buying your fucking starbucks and eating out every fucking day. Buy yourself a $30 or $40 vehicle instead of your $80,000 trucks when you can't fucking afford it. People hate the word "conservative". Preach it brother! If I stated how much I made 20 years ago, and how many kids I was raising at the time, some of Arf would probably rip me left and right - three days till payday and it's rice and fried eggs for dinner! :)  Today I make 8.4 times what I made then, and while I have nicer stuff / more of it, I live well within my means. I'm going to go outside and yell at a cloud now
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:40:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJ7365: Fucking Bullshit......quit buying your fucking starbucks and eating out every fucking day. Buy yourself a $30 or $40 vehicle instead of your $80,000 trucks when you can't fucking afford it. People hate the word "conservative". Lol |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:44:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoBrau: Lol I chuckled at the $40 vehicle too! |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:45:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJ7365: Fucking Bullshit......quit buying your fucking starbucks and eating out every fucking day. Buy yourself a $30 or $40 vehicle instead of your $80,000 trucks when you can't fucking afford it. People hate the word "conservative". Plenty of us do all that shit and more and still can’t make it right now. We just got handed a shit sandwich due to no fault of our own. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:46:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Plenty of us do all that shit and more and still can’t make it right now. We just got handed a shit sandwich due to no fault of our own. Who the fuck handed you a shit sandwich, and exactly why did you accept it? |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:47:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Precious87: Who the fuck handed you a shit sandwich, and exactly why did you accept it? The government just left it on my doorstep
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:51:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: The government just left it on my doorstep Well, there's that I even raised my blood pressure preparing for an internet fight
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:52:52 PM EDT
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It fucking cost me $50+ for 2 matinée tickets to Dune 2 (non-IMAX), small popcorn, and a small drink.
Draft dodging boomers would've enlisted if they felt that burn in 1965-1972 |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:58:04 PM EDT
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I'll say it starting out now would suck. Everything's fucking expensive. Money isn't worth anything. Everyone's getting laid off.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:29:11 PM EDT
[#47]
 Money Printer Go Brrr for 10 hours |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:40:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: OP: i got my 1987 toyota van down by the river, a messican blanket, a couple rip its from the dollar tree, a brand new pair of realtree camo crocs, a titanium spork, and a case of the chef boyardee raviolis. i p***s in a bucket and i move every couple days to avoid being harassed by five oh. https://res.cloudinary.com/outdoorsy/image/upload/c_limit,w_2880,h_2160/t_odw,a_exif,q_auto,f_auto,h_1080,w_1440,c_fit/v1608052594/p/rentals/145215/images/vd4xmkcouijpeow4qhod.jpg https://res.cloudinary.com/outdoorsy/image/upload/c_limit,w_2880,h_2160/t_odw,a_exif,q_auto,f_auto,h_1080,w_1440,c_fit/v1608052408/p/rentals/145215/images/kn7ndpaa4zoea2hx7rb3.jpg i'm good to go, slick. You had me at titanium spork…. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:43:44 PM EDT
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Mainstream propaganda.
not that I disagree but they don't even begin to approach the root cause of it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:47:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FreefallRet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wakeboarder: Imagine raising a family on less than $250k Can even afford $1200 a month flight lessons for my 16yr old son.  I live in a small 3000sq Ft home on 50 acres. My 32yr old son has two homes, (small 3 br two bath) |
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