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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:29:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: Is your avatar a picture of one of your landings? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: Originally Posted By Kharn: Hold a 15 degree angle of attack, regardless of rate of descent or power level required. Eject if needed. That's what Falcon 3.0 and 4.0 taught me.  Kharn Is your avatar a picture of one of your landings? That was my first attempt, how did you know? Kharn |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:31:10 PM EDT
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Get one of those ballistic recovery parachutes and never worry about landing again!
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:35:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MudEagle: Great point -- another task pilots of all skill levels are challenged by. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MudEagle: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: One thing with peripheral vision is recognizing the runway you are landing at. Where I flew out of our runway was 200' wide but we did pattern work out of has a 75' runway. When I put it down back at the home patch the first time I flared rather high and punished the runway. Great point -- another task pilots of all skill levels are challenged by. I remember my first landing at Manfield, Ohio airport. C-130 base and just long enough for the shuttle to land. I though I would be better off landing across he runway in my 172 it was so long |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:35:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: Hold a 15 degree angle of attack, regardless of rate of descent or power level required. Eject if needed. That's what Falcon 3.0 and 4.0 taught me. Kharn AOA on-speed is the standard methodology of flying final in a 4th gen fighter, so you're only capturing half of what's required. In the T-38 and Eagle we also manually computed backup speeds based on fuel and external stores weight. The "power for glidepath, pitch for airspeed" mantra is only for lightweight non-swept-wing aircraft. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:50:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIn fairness to the Navy guys, the runway isn't moving at 35knots, heaving up and down, and tilting side-to-side for the Air Force guys. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:59:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ranxerox911: In fairness to the Navy guys, the runway isn't moving at 35knots, heaving up and down, and tilting side-to-side for the Air Force guys. How cute when they have to turn the airfield into the wind for you. When the winner of a war is determined by who can land on a boat the best, the USN is really going to kick ass. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:00:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MudEagle: How cute when they have to turn the airfield into the wind for you. When the winner of a war is determined by who can land on a boat the best, the USN is really going to kick ass. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MudEagle: Originally Posted By Ranxerox911: In fairness to the Navy guys, the runway isn't moving at 35knots, heaving up and down, and tilting side-to-side for the Air Force guys. How cute when they have to turn the airfield into the wind for you. When the winner of a war is determined by who can land on a boat the best, the USN is really going to kick ass. Lol! |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:14:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dogsplat]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billytehbob: Landing a 172 with a variable and strong crosswind is more bowel movement and “holy shit I’m so glad to be on the ground right now.” At least it was for me the first time I dealt with it I put a 172 in a cornfield back in the early 90s. Soloing doing touch n goes right before I got my loicense. Pro tip- as the nose wheel hots the ground, you need to straighten that badboy out. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:17:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dogsplat: I put a 172 in a cornfield back in the early 90s. Soloing doing touch n goes right before I got my loicense. Pro tip- FIFY |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:19:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dogsplat: I put a 172 in a cornfield back in the early 90s. Soloing doing touch n goes right before I got my loicense. Pro tip- as the nose wheel hots the ground, you need to straighten that badboy out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dogsplat: Originally Posted By billytehbob: Landing a 172 with a variable and strong crosswind is more bowel movement and “holy shit I’m so glad to be on the ground right now.” At least it was for me the first time I dealt with it I put a 172 in a cornfield back in the early 90s. Soloing doing touch n goes right before I got my loicense. Pro tip- as the nose wheel hots the ground, you need to straighten that badboy out. Reason #87 why tail wheels are better. 
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:25:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MudEagle: How cute when they have to turn the airfield into the wind for you. When the winner of a war is determined by who can land on a boat the best, the USN is really going to kick ass. You know this is a good point. Company I retired from hired a former navy E-2 pilot and I recall flying with him early on. He struggled with landing during high crosswinds. One day I just asked him and he said much the same thing. It’s real easy when they turn the airport into the wind for you.  I had a good laugh. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:37:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ranxerox911]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MudEagle: How cute when they have to turn the airfield into the wind for you. When the winner of a war is determined by who can land on a boat the best, the USN is really going to kick ass. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MudEagle: Originally Posted By Ranxerox911: In fairness to the Navy guys, the runway isn't moving at 35knots, heaving up and down, and tilting side-to-side for the Air Force guys. How cute when they have to turn the airfield into the wind for you. When the winner of a war is determined by who can land on a boat the best, the USN is really going to kick ass. Lol. You're questioning the practicality of it, when you should be questioning the sanity. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:46:27 PM EDT
[#13]
Like docking a boat after you calm your nerves.
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:51:17 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: I think it’s the Only way. Not so much a suggestion, but a rule. Practice slow flight until you’re comfortable in that regime. Do side slips while doing MCA. Both directions. Get comfortable with it. Remember what it sounds like and looks like. It’ll be the same in landing. If you have a home sim with rudders, it might even help to do this at home. Also, have your airspeed on short final precisely the same each time, and give it that last shot of trim so the yoke is neutral. The long runway “hover taxi” exercise is useful if you have a long runway available. The judicious use of power can make all your landings good, but that’s kinda advanced, and relying on it as a crutch might be negative transfer of learning in the long term. It’s impossible to give you solid advice without seeing what you’re actually doing. In landing, Pitch controls airspeed, Power controls altitude. Thats how you have to think about it. Repeat it to yourself on final. I've never flown a tricycle/nose wheel before, so almost all the planes I've flown require you to look out the side. I think flying landing attitude down a runway at landing speed 1' off the ground would probably help get the point across. Regarding the OP's problem, it would be helpful to know what kind of issue he is having? Seems like a lot of time to be struggling with landings, I wonder if the instruction you are receiving is a bit lacking. I was solo in under 10hrs in a tail dragger, no doubt due to my instructor being on the ball to criticize my bad inputs. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 2:09:04 PM EDT
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Been a while for me, but my goal was always a power off landing with the goal of keeping the plane 6" off the runway and right at a stall for as long as possible. This and look long. Although I learned in a high wing (152 or 172), I think time in the 152 is what really got me to be consistently good at landings.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 2:11:08 PM EDT
[#16]
Bounce that fucker. I did.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 2:20:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Iamhere: Bounce that fucker. I did. You don't get to count each bounce as a landing in your logbook. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 2:49:30 PM EDT
[#18]
 He put the gear up instead of flaps! |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 2:57:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Duke117]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TimeOnTarget: I just let the autopilot do it!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db3fsL870aIExactly this.. I don’t get paid extra to pull back on the yolk. Work smarter, not harder.. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 3:10:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MudEagle: AOA on-speed is the standard methodology of flying final in a 4th gen fighter, so you're only capturing half of what's required. In the T-38 and Eagle we also manually computed backup speeds based on fuel and external stores weight. The "power for glidepath, pitch for airspeed" mantra is only for lightweight non-swept-wing aircraft. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MudEagle: Originally Posted By Kharn: Hold a 15 degree angle of attack, regardless of rate of descent or power level required. Eject if needed. That's what Falcon 3.0 and 4.0 taught me. Kharn AOA on-speed is the standard methodology of flying final in a 4th gen fighter, so you're only capturing half of what's required. In the T-38 and Eagle we also manually computed backup speeds based on fuel and external stores weight. The "power for glidepath, pitch for airspeed" mantra is only for lightweight non-swept-wing aircraft. I was flying with unlimited ammo, unlimited fuel, unlimited countermeasures, no landing damage, and 25 years ago. I might've forgotten some details.  Kharn |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 3:15:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Uwohali_Agadoli: I've never flown a tricycle/nose wheel before, so almost all the planes I've flown require you to look out the side. I think flying landing attitude down a runway at landing speed 1' off the ground would probably help get the point across. Regarding the OP's problem, it would be helpful to know what kind of issue he is having? Seems like a lot of time to be struggling with landings, I wonder if the instruction you are receiving is a bit lacking. I was solo in under 10hrs in a tail dragger, no doubt due to my instructor being on the ball to criticize my bad inputs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Uwohali_Agadoli: Originally Posted By BillofRights: I think it’s the Only way. Not so much a suggestion, but a rule. Practice slow flight until you’re comfortable in that regime. Do side slips while doing MCA. Both directions. Get comfortable with it. Remember what it sounds like and looks like. It’ll be the same in landing. If you have a home sim with rudders, it might even help to do this at home. Also, have your airspeed on short final precisely the same each time, and give it that last shot of trim so the yoke is neutral. The long runway “hover taxi” exercise is useful if you have a long runway available. The judicious use of power can make all your landings good, but that’s kinda advanced, and relying on it as a crutch might be negative transfer of learning in the long term. It’s impossible to give you solid advice without seeing what you’re actually doing. In landing, Pitch controls airspeed, Power controls altitude. Thats how you have to think about it. Repeat it to yourself on final. I've never flown a tricycle/nose wheel before, so almost all the planes I've flown require you to look out the side. I think flying landing attitude down a runway at landing speed 1' off the ground would probably help get the point across. Regarding the OP's problem, it would be helpful to know what kind of issue he is having? Seems like a lot of time to be struggling with landings, I wonder if the instruction you are receiving is a bit lacking. I was solo in under 10hrs in a tail dragger, no doubt due to my instructor being on the ball to criticize my bad inputs. I’ve flown some tw but it was a long time ago. Do most tail draggers require you to use a different technique where you look out the side? That was nothing I ever heard, read or taught. Maybe some big radial engines and the Spirit of SaintLois. It’s a topic for a different thread. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 3:50:17 PM EDT
[#22]
I could land any plane ever made, once.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:02:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: I’ve flown some tw but it was a long time ago. Do most tail draggers require you to use a different technique where you look out the side? That was nothing I ever heard, read or taught. Maybe some big radial engines and the Spirit of SaintLois. It’s a topic for a different thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Originally Posted By Uwohali_Agadoli: Originally Posted By BillofRights: I think it’s the Only way. Not so much a suggestion, but a rule. Practice slow flight until you’re comfortable in that regime. Do side slips while doing MCA. Both directions. Get comfortable with it. Remember what it sounds like and looks like. It’ll be the same in landing. If you have a home sim with rudders, it might even help to do this at home. Also, have your airspeed on short final precisely the same each time, and give it that last shot of trim so the yoke is neutral. The long runway “hover taxi” exercise is useful if you have a long runway available. The judicious use of power can make all your landings good, but that’s kinda advanced, and relying on it as a crutch might be negative transfer of learning in the long term. It’s impossible to give you solid advice without seeing what you’re actually doing. In landing, Pitch controls airspeed, Power controls altitude. Thats how you have to think about it. Repeat it to yourself on final. I've never flown a tricycle/nose wheel before, so almost all the planes I've flown require you to look out the side. I think flying landing attitude down a runway at landing speed 1' off the ground would probably help get the point across. Regarding the OP's problem, it would be helpful to know what kind of issue he is having? Seems like a lot of time to be struggling with landings, I wonder if the instruction you are receiving is a bit lacking. I was solo in under 10hrs in a tail dragger, no doubt due to my instructor being on the ball to criticize my bad inputs. I’ve flown some tw but it was a long time ago. Do most tail draggers require you to use a different technique where you look out the side? That was nothing I ever heard, read or taught. Maybe some big radial engines and the Spirit of SaintLois. It’s a topic for a different thread. Flying my Champ from the back seat, I lose the view down the runway, which made me realize I don't really use that view anyway. I think looking down the runway, rather than at it, is just a way to make you use your peripheral vision. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:05:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: I’ve flown some tw but it was a long time ago. Do most tail draggers require you to use a different technique where you look out the side? That was nothing I ever heard, read or taught. Maybe some big radial engines and the Spirit of SaintLois. It’s a topic for a different thread. Started with the old taildraggers where the pilot sat in the back and the passenger sat up front (where the difference between having a passenger, or an empty seat, would have less impact on the CG). Since the pilot sat so far back, coming in at anything close to a three-point pitch angle meant that the nose blocked your view down the runway if you kept the fuselage lined up with the runway. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:08:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat’s a great clip, love it! |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:25:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: I’ve flown some tw but it was a long time ago. Do most tail draggers require you to use a different technique where you look out the side? That was nothing I ever heard, read or taught. Maybe some big radial engines and the Spirit of SaintLois. It’s a topic for a different thread. Different from what, tricycle? Some taildraggers I imagine you could look over the top and down the runway. I think I probably could have in the Stinson, at least right before all 3 wheels touched down, but I never tried. Flying the Fleet from the backseat there is absolutely no option to look forward, radial and front seat/fuselage block that option. Rereading the OP, it sounds like he is much too nose down. You should be in your landing AOA before you hit ground effect. The other poster mentioning this and using power to control descent is correct. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:30:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:35:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Scoobysmak]
[#28]
Quote HistoryI am not going to say the Navy way is better in that video and that it was a good landing......but I am looking for the videos of the AF landing on a carrier on a regular bases in flight school......so far I have not found them..... Carrier landings are unforgiving if you miss the tail hook aspect of it. Some of the training they get is a bit different. ETA....beat |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:45:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Uwohali_Agadoli: Different from what, tricycle? Some taildraggers I imagine you could look over the top and down the runway. I think I probably could have in the Stinson, at least right before all 3 wheels touched down, but I never tried. Flying the Fleet from the backseat there is absolutely no option to look forward, radial and front seat/fuselage block that option. Rereading the OP, it sounds like he is much too nose down. You should be in your landing AOA before you hit ground effect. The other poster mentioning this and using power to control descent is correct. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Uwohali_Agadoli: Originally Posted By BillofRights: I’ve flown some tw but it was a long time ago. Do most tail draggers require you to use a different technique where you look out the side? That was nothing I ever heard, read or taught. Maybe some big radial engines and the Spirit of SaintLois. It’s a topic for a different thread. Different from what, tricycle? Some taildraggers I imagine you could look over the top and down the runway. I think I probably could have in the Stinson, at least right before all 3 wheels touched down, but I never tried. Flying the Fleet from the backseat there is absolutely no option to look forward, radial and front seat/fuselage block that option. Rereading the OP, it sounds like he is much too nose down. You should be in your landing AOA before you hit ground effect. The other poster mentioning this and using power to control descent is correct. Landing AOA is at or near stall. You probably don't want to be there at 15 or 20 feet above the ground. As someone else said, hold it just off the runway until it quits flying. That's what puts you at the correct AOA at touchdown. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:04:09 PM EDT
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I like this thread! Once you get the 'concept', it will apply to many different makes and models. Spring steel gear acts a little different from oleos. ;) DO get a tailwheel endorsement, it will be intimidating at first but gratifying.
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:12:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: Landing AOA is at or near stall. You probably don't want to be there at 15 or 20 feet above the ground. As someone else said, hold it just off the runway until it quits flying. That's what puts you at the correct AOA at touchdown. That would depend if you have power on or off. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:14:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kitulu]
[#32]
Quote HistoryNo. Not only no, but FUCK no! Replacing the packings on a blown out NLG strut on a 172 is a PITA. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:18:16 PM EDT
[#33]
I’m going to be the jerk here.
Some people have it, others don’t. I soloed at 8 hours. I never had an issue. It was just easy to me. I had friends in pilot training that just couldn’t do the three dimensional movements. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:19:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kitulu: No. Not only no, but [i][FUCK/i] no! Replacing the packings on a blown out NLG strut on a 172 is a PITA. Not to mention bent firewalls. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scoobysmak: I am not going to say the Navy way is better in that video and that it was a good landing......but I am looking for the videos of the AF landing on a carrier on a regular bases in flight school......so far I have not found them..... Carrier landings are unforgiving if you miss the tail hook aspect of it. Some of the training they get is a bit different. ETA....beat Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scoobysmak: I am not going to say the Navy way is better in that video and that it was a good landing......but I am looking for the videos of the AF landing on a carrier on a regular bases in flight school......so far I have not found them..... Carrier landings are unforgiving if you miss the tail hook aspect of it. Some of the training they get is a bit different. ETA....beat I forget where I read about it, but back when Navy planes were all taildraggers with radial engines, one of the forms of entertainment at Navy airfields was to watch a squadron land after returning from a carrier tour at sea. With it being their first time landing on something other than a carrier in quite a while, there apparently was high odds that at least one individual in the squadron would screw things up in a spectacular way. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:28:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taildragger: Not to mention bent firewalls. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taildragger: Originally Posted By Kitulu: No. Not only no, but [i][FUCK/i] no! Replacing the packings on a blown out NLG strut on a 172 is a PITA. Not to mention bent firewalls. I have seen that on twins. Slam it on the runway hard enough, and the weight of those engines is going to cause something to give. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:33:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
[#37]
 So pilot guys. How the heck did WW2 pilots safely taxi, not run into anything; when the nose was pointed way up in the air?
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:34:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Uwohali_Agadoli: That would depend if you have power on or off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Uwohali_Agadoli: Originally Posted By ske714: Landing AOA is at or near stall. You probably don't want to be there at 15 or 20 feet above the ground. As someone else said, hold it just off the runway until it quits flying. That's what puts you at the correct AOA at touchdown. That would depend if you have power on or off. What would? Stall AOA doesn't care whether or not you have power on. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:35:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: https://cdn.britannica.com/24/48324-050-FE5B13DD/P-47-Thunderbolt-World-War-II.jpg So pilot guys. How the heck did WW2 pilots safely taxi, not run into anything; when the nose was pointed way up in the air? Zigzag |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:36:08 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: Zigzag Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: https://cdn.britannica.com/24/48324-050-FE5B13DD/P-47-Thunderbolt-World-War-II.jpg So pilot guys. How the heck did WW2 pilots safely taxi, not run into anything; when the nose was pointed way up in the air? Zigzag That's what I thought, or was told before. But wasn't sure if it was true. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:36:20 PM EDT
[#41]
Wait until night landings. Lol. Your depth perception gets totally fucked then.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:36:33 PM EDT
[#42]
If AI is so great, lets put it in the cockpit for smoother landings. You should still know how to do it though.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 5:50:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: That's what I thought, or was told before. But wasn't sure if it was true. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By ske714: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: https://cdn.britannica.com/24/48324-050-FE5B13DD/P-47-Thunderbolt-World-War-II.jpg So pilot guys. How the heck did WW2 pilots safely taxi, not run into anything; when the nose was pointed way up in the air? Zigzag That's what I thought, or was told before. But wasn't sure if it was true. I've seen a video of them taxiing with a ground crew member sitting on each wing, out near the wingtip. The two guys on the wings were apparently giving the pilot hand signals while keeping an eye on what was in front of the plane. I don't know how common that method was, though. Other than that video, I've always heard (and seen, a few times) that the zigzag method of taxiing is used. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:00:41 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: What would? Stall AOA doesn't care whether or not you have power on. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at here. You can absolutely fly a higher angle of attack with power on, than off. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:02:45 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: https://cdn.britannica.com/24/48324-050-FE5B13DD/P-47-Thunderbolt-World-War-II.jpg So pilot guys. How the heck did WW2 pilots safely taxi, not run into anything; when the nose was pointed way up in the air? By weaving back and forth with the rudder, so they could look out along the side of the nose. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:04:25 PM EDT
[#46]
The assault strip at Little Rock AFB is like 3000x60. Landing a C-130 on that thing at night on NVGs was sporty.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:05:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jetpig]
[#47]
When I use to instruct I made my students fly as absolutely slow as they could get the plane 1-2 feet off the runway all the way down the runway terminating with a go-around. Lots of times they would touch down multiple times.
Couple flights later. Now if you do touch down close the throttle. Boom. Buddy you just landed. Trick to a good landing is to not let the plane land until it wants to. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:14:25 PM EDT
[#48]
Landing is a poor way to describe what you are actually trying to accomplish. It means nothing other than the airplane has touched the ground.
Lets go with something you can actually aim for and when you get it right it creates a " landing " that is about as good as it could possibly be. Forget about the touch down itself, you don't care, it doesn't matter. Your goal is the keep the airplane from hitting the ground at about two to three feet off, now that you are there make sure the throttle is at idle and don't let it hit the ground, perfect nose up main gear landing nearly all the time. You have an actual goal now, keep the airplane from hitting the ground at idle power. This is your mantra, don't let it hit the ground. If you get a little balloon because you pulled on the yoke too quickly ease it off a bit and add some throttle to reset your glide speed. Just pull the throttle back to idle when you are happy. If my students really had a problem we'd go over to McClellan and practice flying 2 feet off the ground just above stall for the whole 10k foot runway. One hour long session of that was all anybody ever needed with me. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:19:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Uwohali_Agadoli: I'm not sure what you are trying to get at here. You can absolutely fly a higher angle of attack with power on, than off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Uwohali_Agadoli: Originally Posted By ske714: What would? Stall AOA doesn't care whether or not you have power on. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at here. You can absolutely fly a higher angle of attack with power on, than off. AOA is what determines when a wing stalls. Power has nothing to do with it. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:27:17 PM EDT
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Plane is one of 2 Archer or Warrior, mostly the Warrior.
Landings aren't consistent one time you can't tell it is on the ground next one hammers the gear. Usually, first one of the day is near perfect the rest are hit and miss. He wants the RPM at around 1400 after turning base but I can vairy it a little if I need to. He has never suggested dropping to idle. Like the idea of holding it just off the runway as practice it's long enough at 6k feet. Might suggest that and see if the CFI will allow it. Do wear progressive but had a set of bifocals made with the line higher. Haven't used them yet, will next week. Just started looking down the runway a couple lessons ago when CFI suggested it. Not sure why he didn't sooner if that's the best way. Thanks for the suggestions. |
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