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Do you own a dog house OP?
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Originally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine: One day when I was like 8 on the way home from baseball practice, a group of older special needs people showed up at the Burger King we were eating at. One middle aged mentally challenged guy was walking past our booth as we were eating and he stops and the foot of our table and looks at my dad dead in the eye and says "HIIIIIIII". Now, I'm utterly at a loss for words. My dad isn't exactly the most politely spoken man in the world and isn't above making fun of people for their shortcomings. I'm half scared, half curious how my dad is going to respond to him. My dad is literally chewing on his Whopper when this happens. He puts it down and turns to the guy and with no emotion on his face says "HI" and waves to him. The mentally challenged man was super happy about that and got a little smile and walked away. My dad picks his Whopper back up and takes a bite, no emotion, like nothing just happened. He takes a bite and then says to me, "Son, you always have to be nice to the retards", and goes back to finish his Whopper. He was 100% serious. I don't think I said anything for the next 10 minutes. And that lesson has stuck with me ever since. Which is why I'm not going to make a comment about your post. Edit: The originator has shown up on page 2. View Quote LuLz |
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Blameless, the tempest will be just that
So try as you may, feeble, your attempt to atone Your words to erase all the damage cannot A tempest must be just that |
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We don't come alone; we are fire, we are stone.
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So we allow trolls like this (don't forget about the "my atheist friend got mugged" thread), but then ban thorazine?
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Born agains are hilarious
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Typical atheist response.
Personal attacks but not response to the question at hand. |
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Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Typical atheist response. Personal attacks but not response to the question at hand. View Quote https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Update-on-Atheist-ex-friend-who-was-beat-up/5-2691399/? |
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Originally Posted By Rodent: Natural selection is the opposite of "random". And atheism is the opposite of religion. It has no belief in or worship of gods or anything supernatural. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rodent: Originally Posted By KYLiberty: I would argue that atheism is actually a secular religion that believes in an extremely long series of extremely unlikely random events, but in which the extremely common random catastrophic events that should co-exist within such a system are for some reason not occurring. This requires a very large leap of faith, especially considering true random doesn't even exist. Some things are just too complicated for us to accurately predict, so we call them random, even though they actually are not. I'm not arguing that any religion is correct, but merely that atheism is actually a religion, and is probably not correct either. No matter what you believe, you can never fully trust your thoughts, or anyone else's. We have a limited view of the world, our minds are influenced by many factors, and we have limited knowledge of those influences. And atheism is the opposite of religion. It has no belief in or worship of gods or anything supernatural. |
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Originally Posted By KYLiberty: I would argue that the belief in "true random" is the belief in something supernatural. Atheism isn't the opposite of religion. It's a secular religion that denies the existence of a deity. We don't even need to get into how the universe came to be. We can just look at origination and evolution of species since that's a lot simpler. If, in your beliefs, "natural selection" isn't a modification of an organism from random errors in DNA replication, that allow that organism to outcompete others, please tell me what you consider it to be so we can discuss. View Quote Most athiests are agnostics if you really questioned them. Thiests like to try to claim "athiests are really in the same boat as us, they just believe in a different supernatural being". That is a common tactic to try to make your side not seem so crazy. Agnostics and athiests DO NOT believe in any supernatural deity. They feel any claims about supernatural deities are not defensible or demonstrable. That's it. It is not a religion despite how much you say it is a religion. What is a "secular religion"? Is that like a square hole? You can put any words you want together but that doesn't mean they have sensible meaning. |
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Computer code written by an author vs. random code that managed to filter out it's own bad bits of code without crashing the computer.
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LOL at the idea that I "trust my own thoughts."
"I never learned anything from a man who agreed with me." Robert A. Heinlein |
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Originally Posted By thepantydropper: I'll try to articulate my thoughts more clearly. As a theist, I believe that God created me in his image, giving me purpose and meaning in life. The atheist believes they are a cosmic accident. Here through a random evolutionary process that never had them in mind. If anything, their mind would be geared at survival not truth. An ample analogy might be this. Imagine walking into a room and finding a computer. It has no designer and came to exist by random chance. Would you trust its output? Yet the atheist trusts their own brain to formulate logical conclusions? Why? Regarding atoms, thoughts occur as a result of interactions of molecules, which are complex arrangements of atoms. How can an atheist claim their brain fizz is "right" and an opposing brain fizz is "wrong?" View Quote |
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Originally Posted By thepantydropper: If logic is merely atoms colliding inside of your brain (brain fizz), how can you trust that random collision of atoms is geared at any sort of truth? It would seem that as an Atheist, you would be unable to trust your own thoughts. I’ve used the google but found no good answer to this question. What say the Atheists here? View Quote One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble. |
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We've now proven that we have zero rights, just what privileges we are allowed at any given time.
"Yes, Minister" is required viewing. Seriously, watch it. Along with "Yes, Prime Minister." They are not fiction. |
Originally Posted By Kingdead: Just like not playing baseball is a sport? Most athiests are agnostics if you really questioned them. Thiests like to try to claim "athiests are really in the same boat as us, they just believe in a different supernatural being". That is a common tactic to try to make your side not seem so crazy. Agnostics and athiests DO NOT believe in any supernatural deity. They feel any claims about supernatural deities are not defensible or demonstrable. That's it. It is not a religion despite how much you say it is a religion. What is a "secular religion"? Is that like a square hole? You can put any words you want together but that doesn't mean they have sensible meaning. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kingdead: Originally Posted By KYLiberty: I would argue that the belief in "true random" is the belief in something supernatural. Atheism isn't the opposite of religion. It's a secular religion that denies the existence of a deity. We don't even need to get into how the universe came to be. We can just look at origination and evolution of species since that's a lot simpler. If, in your beliefs, "natural selection" isn't a modification of an organism from random errors in DNA replication, that allow that organism to outcompete others, please tell me what you consider it to be so we can discuss. Most athiests are agnostics if you really questioned them. Thiests like to try to claim "athiests are really in the same boat as us, they just believe in a different supernatural being". That is a common tactic to try to make your side not seem so crazy. Agnostics and athiests DO NOT believe in any supernatural deity. They feel any claims about supernatural deities are not defensible or demonstrable. That's it. It is not a religion despite how much you say it is a religion. What is a "secular religion"? Is that like a square hole? You can put any words you want together but that doesn't mean they have sensible meaning. A secular religion is a communal belief system that often rejects or neglects the metaphysical aspects of the supernatural, commonly associated with traditional religion, instead placing typical religious qualities in earthly, or material, entities. Among systems that have been characterized as secular religions are liberalism, anarchism, communism, nazism, fascism, egoism, jacobinism, Juche, Maoism, Religion of Humanity, the cults of personality, the Cult of Reason and Cult of the Supreme Being. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion And before you go too far down the "your side" path, even though I was raised a protestant Christian, I'm a pantheist that believes that everything is energy, and believe in the relative unification of infinite realities. |
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Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean: One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: If logic is merely atoms colliding inside of your brain (brain fizz), how can you trust that random collision of atoms is geared at any sort of truth? It would seem that as an Atheist, you would be unable to trust your own thoughts. I've used the google but found no good answer to this question. What say the Atheists here? One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble. That's how come I can know god is real and shit! Cuz of that got'damn brain fizz! Know what I mean, man? |
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Originally Posted By KYLiberty: No. Nothing like not playing baseball is a sport. Atheism requires a leap of faith to believe that everything that exists, or ever has existed, is just a random occurrence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion And before you go too far down the "your side" path, even though I was raised a protestant Christian, I'm a pantheist that believes that everything is energy, and believe in the relative unification of infinite realities. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Kingdead: Atheism or more correctly probably agnosticism requires no leap of faith. They claim that they don't know why the universe is the way it is. There isn't a defensible nor demonstrable explanation. By putting faith on them you are making the idea of faith more defensible. The very idea of faith makes no sense to them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kingdead: Originally Posted By KYLiberty: No. Nothing like not playing baseball is a sport. Atheism requires a leap of faith to believe that everything that exists, or ever has existed, is just a random occurrence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion And before you go too far down the "your side" path, even though I was raised a protestant Christian, I'm a pantheist that believes that everything is energy, and believe in the relative unification of infinite realities. |
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Originally Posted By KYLiberty: I'm not talking about agnosticism, or people that are agnostic but think the word for that is atheist. I'm talking about atheism, which from my point of view, is a secular religion. Agnostics refuse to take a leap of faith and admit they don't know. Atheists however, take a leap of faith that requires a suspension of scientific and mathematical knowledge, call it science, and claim that there is nothing beyond the physical and random chance given enough time. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By TGE: Brain fizzes like a shook coke can, when all them atoms and whatnot git all excited and start a'rammin' into each other! That's how come I can know god is real and shit! Cuz of that got'damn brain fizz! Know what I mean, man? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TGE: Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: If logic is merely atoms colliding inside of your brain (brain fizz), how can you trust that random collision of atoms is geared at any sort of truth? It would seem that as an Atheist, you would be unable to trust your own thoughts. I've used the google but found no good answer to this question. What say the Atheists here? One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble. That's how come I can know god is real and shit! Cuz of that got'damn brain fizz! Know what I mean, man? Do atheist not believe our thoughts and emotions are just chemical reactions, AKA brain fizz? Why not partake in the conversation with something of substance? |
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Originally Posted By Kingdead: I think the Blind Watchmaker makes more logical claims for atheism and evolution than it does for theism. I dont think OP is strictly attacking atheists, I'm assuming he's lumping in agnostics as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kingdead: Originally Posted By KYLiberty: I'm not talking about agnosticism, or people that are agnostic but think the word for that is atheist. I'm talking about atheism, which from my point of view, is a secular religion. Agnostics refuse to take a leap of faith and admit they don't know. Atheists however, take a leap of faith that requires a suspension of scientific and mathematical knowledge, call it science, and claim that there is nothing beyond the physical and random chance given enough time. |
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Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Do atheist not believe our thoughts and emotions are just chemical reactions, AKA brain fizz? Why not partake in the conversation with something of substance? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Originally Posted By TGE: Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: If logic is merely atoms colliding inside of your brain (brain fizz), how can you trust that random collision of atoms is geared at any sort of truth? It would seem that as an Atheist, you would be unable to trust your own thoughts. I've used the google but found no good answer to this question. What say the Atheists here? One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble. That's how come I can know god is real and shit! Cuz of that got'damn brain fizz! Know what I mean, man? Do atheist not believe our thoughts and emotions are just chemical reactions, AKA brain fizz? Why not partake in the conversation with something of substance? Lol sure. I apologize for not giving this discussion the respect it deserves Here ya go - do you believe a god creates all your thoughts for you? And you can trust your thoughts to be truth, because god put those thoughts in your brain? |
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Originally Posted By KYLiberty: No. Nothing like not playing baseball is a sport. Atheism requires a leap of faith to believe that everything that exists, or ever has existed, is just a random occurrence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion And before you go too far down the "your side" path, even though I was raised a protestant Christian, I'm a pantheist that believes that everything is energy, and believe in the relative unification of infinite realities. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By KYLiberty: Originally Posted By Kingdead: Originally Posted By KYLiberty: I would argue that the belief in "true random" is the belief in something supernatural. Atheism isn't the opposite of religion. It's a secular religion that denies the existence of a deity. We don't even need to get into how the universe came to be. We can just look at origination and evolution of species since that's a lot simpler. If, in your beliefs, "natural selection" isn't a modification of an organism from random errors in DNA replication, that allow that organism to outcompete others, please tell me what you consider it to be so we can discuss. Most athiests are agnostics if you really questioned them. Thiests like to try to claim "athiests are really in the same boat as us, they just believe in a different supernatural being". That is a common tactic to try to make your side not seem so crazy. Agnostics and athiests DO NOT believe in any supernatural deity. They feel any claims about supernatural deities are not defensible or demonstrable. That's it. It is not a religion despite how much you say it is a religion. What is a "secular religion"? Is that like a square hole? You can put any words you want together but that doesn't mean they have sensible meaning. A secular religion is a communal belief system that often rejects or neglects the metaphysical aspects of the supernatural, commonly associated with traditional religion, instead placing typical religious qualities in earthly, or material, entities. Among systems that have been characterized as secular religions are liberalism, anarchism, communism, nazism, fascism, egoism, jacobinism, Juche, Maoism, Religion of Humanity, the cults of personality, the Cult of Reason and Cult of the Supreme Being. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion And before you go too far down the "your side" path, even though I was raised a protestant Christian, I'm a pantheist that believes that everything is energy, and believe in the relative unification of infinite realities. It doesn't require a leap of faith. YOU require a leap of faith. You then project your limitations on everyone else. |
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Do you lack the critical thinking skills needed to figure out how to hotlink?
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Originally Posted By KYLiberty: OP probably is. I however, am not. I am saying that I don't believe that any mainstream religion has it right, including atheism, which I see as a secular religion. As a mathematician and a scientist, I can very easily see the gigantic problem with evolution and the origin of species as currently taught, but can also see the problems in religious texts. I can also see the adaptation that is actually occurring, the development of layers of interdependent systems, and it truly fascinates me. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By TGE: Lol sure. I apologize for not giving this discussion the respect it deserves Here ya go - do you believe a god creates all your thoughts for you? And you can trust your thoughts to be truth, because god put those thoughts in your brain? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TGE: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Originally Posted By TGE: Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: If logic is merely atoms colliding inside of your brain (brain fizz), how can you trust that random collision of atoms is geared at any sort of truth? It would seem that as an Atheist, you would be unable to trust your own thoughts. I've used the google but found no good answer to this question. What say the Atheists here? One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble. That's how come I can know god is real and shit! Cuz of that got'damn brain fizz! Know what I mean, man? Do atheist not believe our thoughts and emotions are just chemical reactions, AKA brain fizz? Why not partake in the conversation with something of substance? Lol sure. I apologize for not giving this discussion the respect it deserves Here ya go - do you believe a god creates all your thoughts for you? And you can trust your thoughts to be truth, because god put those thoughts in your brain? No, I don’t believe God created my thoughts. I believe God is the designer. Therefore, he created the DNA instruction set that created me in the womb. In my worldview, I can make sense of logic and truth. In atheism you cannot, as far as I can tell. Still waiting for someone here to make a compelling argument. |
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Originally Posted By cedjunior: It doesn't require a leap of faith. YOU require a leap of faith. You then project your limitations on everyone else. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cedjunior: Originally Posted By KYLiberty: Originally Posted By Kingdead: Originally Posted By KYLiberty: I would argue that the belief in "true random" is the belief in something supernatural. Atheism isn't the opposite of religion. It's a secular religion that denies the existence of a deity. We don't even need to get into how the universe came to be. We can just look at origination and evolution of species since that's a lot simpler. If, in your beliefs, "natural selection" isn't a modification of an organism from random errors in DNA replication, that allow that organism to outcompete others, please tell me what you consider it to be so we can discuss. Most athiests are agnostics if you really questioned them. Thiests like to try to claim "athiests are really in the same boat as us, they just believe in a different supernatural being". That is a common tactic to try to make your side not seem so crazy. Agnostics and athiests DO NOT believe in any supernatural deity. They feel any claims about supernatural deities are not defensible or demonstrable. That's it. It is not a religion despite how much you say it is a religion. What is a "secular religion"? Is that like a square hole? You can put any words you want together but that doesn't mean they have sensible meaning. A secular religion is a communal belief system that often rejects or neglects the metaphysical aspects of the supernatural, commonly associated with traditional religion, instead placing typical religious qualities in earthly, or material, entities. Among systems that have been characterized as secular religions are liberalism, anarchism, communism, nazism, fascism, egoism, jacobinism, Juche, Maoism, Religion of Humanity, the cults of personality, the Cult of Reason and Cult of the Supreme Being. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion And before you go too far down the "your side" path, even though I was raised a protestant Christian, I'm a pantheist that believes that everything is energy, and believe in the relative unification of infinite realities. It doesn't require a leap of faith. YOU require a leap of faith. You then project your limitations on everyone else. Doesn’t the problem of induction require faith that the future will be like the past? |
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Originally Posted By cedjunior: It doesn't require a leap of faith. YOU require a leap of faith. You then project your limitations on everyone else. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cedjunior: Originally Posted By KYLiberty: Originally Posted By Kingdead: Originally Posted By KYLiberty: I would argue that the belief in "true random" is the belief in something supernatural. Atheism isn't the opposite of religion. It's a secular religion that denies the existence of a deity. We don't even need to get into how the universe came to be. We can just look at origination and evolution of species since that's a lot simpler. If, in your beliefs, "natural selection" isn't a modification of an organism from random errors in DNA replication, that allow that organism to outcompete others, please tell me what you consider it to be so we can discuss. Most athiests are agnostics if you really questioned them. Thiests like to try to claim "athiests are really in the same boat as us, they just believe in a different supernatural being". That is a common tactic to try to make your side not seem so crazy. Agnostics and athiests DO NOT believe in any supernatural deity. They feel any claims about supernatural deities are not defensible or demonstrable. That's it. It is not a religion despite how much you say it is a religion. What is a "secular religion"? Is that like a square hole? You can put any words you want together but that doesn't mean they have sensible meaning. A secular religion is a communal belief system that often rejects or neglects the metaphysical aspects of the supernatural, commonly associated with traditional religion, instead placing typical religious qualities in earthly, or material, entities. Among systems that have been characterized as secular religions are liberalism, anarchism, communism, nazism, fascism, egoism, jacobinism, Juche, Maoism, Religion of Humanity, the cults of personality, the Cult of Reason and Cult of the Supreme Being. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion And before you go too far down the "your side" path, even though I was raised a protestant Christian, I'm a pantheist that believes that everything is energy, and believe in the relative unification of infinite realities. It doesn't require a leap of faith. YOU require a leap of faith. You then project your limitations on everyone else. |
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Originally Posted By thepantydropper: No, I don't believe God created my thoughts. I believe God is the designer. Therefore, he created the DNA instruction set that created me in the womb. In my worldview, I can make sense of logic and truth. In atheism you cannot, as far as I can tell. Still waiting for someone here to make a compelling argument. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Originally Posted By TGE: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Originally Posted By TGE: Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: If logic is merely atoms colliding inside of your brain (brain fizz), how can you trust that random collision of atoms is geared at any sort of truth? It would seem that as an Atheist, you would be unable to trust your own thoughts. I've used the google but found no good answer to this question. What say the Atheists here? One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble. That's how come I can know god is real and shit! Cuz of that got'damn brain fizz! Know what I mean, man? Do atheist not believe our thoughts and emotions are just chemical reactions, AKA brain fizz? Why not partake in the conversation with something of substance? Lol sure. I apologize for not giving this discussion the respect it deserves Here ya go - do you believe a god creates all your thoughts for you? And you can trust your thoughts to be truth, because god put those thoughts in your brain? No, I don't believe God created my thoughts. I believe God is the designer. Therefore, he created the DNA instruction set that created me in the womb. In my worldview, I can make sense of logic and truth. In atheism you cannot, as far as I can tell. Still waiting for someone here to make a compelling argument. Cool. Unfortunately if you aren't capable of processing any other theory or position, I'm forced to question how good of a job God did with your particular genes. Many people have adequately laid out counter arguments in this thread, but you don't seem to be able to grasp them. Or you're just trolling with your brain atom collider theory lol |
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Originally Posted By TGE: Cool. Unfortunately if you aren't capable of processing any other theory or position, I'm forced to question how good of a job God did with your particular genes. Many people have adequately laid out counter arguments in this thread, but you don't seem to be able to grasp them. Or you're just trolling with your brain atom collider theory lol View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TGE: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Originally Posted By TGE: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Originally Posted By TGE: Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: If logic is merely atoms colliding inside of your brain (brain fizz), how can you trust that random collision of atoms is geared at any sort of truth? It would seem that as an Atheist, you would be unable to trust your own thoughts. I've used the google but found no good answer to this question. What say the Atheists here? One doesn't have to be an atheist to realize your grasp of how the brain works is remarkably feeble. That's how come I can know god is real and shit! Cuz of that got'damn brain fizz! Know what I mean, man? Do atheist not believe our thoughts and emotions are just chemical reactions, AKA brain fizz? Why not partake in the conversation with something of substance? Lol sure. I apologize for not giving this discussion the respect it deserves Here ya go - do you believe a god creates all your thoughts for you? And you can trust your thoughts to be truth, because god put those thoughts in your brain? No, I don't believe God created my thoughts. I believe God is the designer. Therefore, he created the DNA instruction set that created me in the womb. In my worldview, I can make sense of logic and truth. In atheism you cannot, as far as I can tell. Still waiting for someone here to make a compelling argument. Cool. Unfortunately if you aren't capable of processing any other theory or position, I'm forced to question how good of a job God did with your particular genes. Many people have adequately laid out counter arguments in this thread, but you don't seem to be able to grasp them. Or you're just trolling with your brain atom collider theory lol So you don’t think in a athiestic materialism worldview that emotions and logic are not just chemical reactions in the brain? Where do your thoughts come from then? |
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Originally Posted By Kingdead: It is indeed very interesting and peculiar. Why have matter, space, and time instead of nothing? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kingdead: Originally Posted By KYLiberty: OP probably is. I however, am not. I am saying that I don't believe that any mainstream religion has it right, including atheism, which I see as a secular religion. As a mathematician and a scientist, I can very easily see the gigantic problem with evolution and the origin of species as currently taught, but can also see the problems in religious texts. I can also see the adaptation that is actually occurring, the development of layers of interdependent systems, and it truly fascinates me. |
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Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Doesn’t the problem of induction require faith that the future will be like the past? View Quote lol the 'faith' that something that has been verified a million times will happen again vs the 'faith' that something that has never been verified once is absolutely true |
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Yes, your brain is just chemical reactions. Chemical reactions that have evolved over a billion years to ensure our survival like every other invertebrate. No scientists really dispute that, despite not completely understanding entirely how the human brain works. Our bodies are just a series of chemical reactions, life is a chemical reaction. Can you trust thoughts? Well, depends on the person I guess but considering our ancestors used their brains and thoughts to essentially conquer the planet and the environment, a sane intelligent person should be able to solve problems and trust their conclusions. Low IQ, emotionally driven people on the other hand, probably shouldn't trust their thoughts as they usually get them in trouble.
That alone does not disprove or prove the existence of a god though. As an atheist myself, I don't really worry much about proving the non-existence of a god. Rather, I can't see any particular good reason to believe in one. |
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Originally Posted By kzin: lol the 'faith' that something that has been verified a million times will happen again vs the 'faith' that something that has never been verified once is absolutely true View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By kzin: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Doesn’t the problem of induction require faith that the future will be like the past? lol the 'faith' that something that has been verified a million times will happen again vs the 'faith' that something that has never been verified once is absolutely true Science presupposes logic, math, and induction. You can keep writing lol, but the problem of induction is a real issue that great atheistic philosophers have struggled with. I can tell you they didn’t respond with lol as an opening. |
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Originally Posted By ThreadKiller: Yes, your brain is just chemical reactions. Chemical reactions that have evolved over a billion years to ensure our survival like every other invertebrate. No scientists really dispute that, despite not completely understanding entirely how the human brain works. Our bodies are just a series of chemical reactions, life is a chemical reaction. Can you trust thoughts? Well, depends on the person I guess but considering our ancestors used their brains and thoughts to essentially conquer the planet and the environment, a sane intelligent person should be able to solve problems and trust their conclusions. Low IQ, emotionally driven people on the other hand, probably shouldn't trust their thoughts as they usually get them in trouble. That alone does not disprove or prove the existence of a god though. As an atheist myself, I don't really worry much about proving the non-existence of a god. Rather, I can't see any particular good reason to believe in one. View Quote So if you have a wife and kids, you don’t actually love them. The chemicals in your brain just fizz a certain way towards them, correct? |
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Originally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine: One day when I was like 8 on the way home from baseball practice, a group of older special needs people showed up at the Burger King we were eating at. One middle aged mentally challenged guy was walking past our booth as we were eating and he stops and the foot of our table and looks at my dad dead in the eye and says "HIIIIIIII". Now, I'm utterly at a loss for words. My dad isn't exactly the most politely spoken man in the world and isn't above making fun of people for their shortcomings. I'm half scared, half curious how my dad is going to respond to him. My dad is literally chewing on his Whopper when this happens. He puts it down and turns to the guy and with no emotion on his face says "HI" and waves to him. The mentally challenged man was super happy about that and got a little smile and walked away. My dad picks his Whopper back up and takes a bite, no emotion, like nothing just happened. He takes a bite and then says to me, "Son, you always have to be nice to the retards", and goes back to finish his Whopper. He was 100% serious. I don't think I said anything for the next 10 minutes. And that lesson has stuck with me ever since. Which is why I'm not going to make a comment about your post. Edit: The originator has shown up on page 2. View Quote I was going to write something. Then I read this. It’s the perfect response. |
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Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Science presupposes logic, math, and induction. You can keep writing lol, but the problem of induction is a real issue that great atheistic philosophers have struggled with. I can tell you they didn’t respond with lol as an opening. View Quote they did when somebody misused the issue in a comical way. It's a valid issue but an impractical ivory tower one. We can't gain absolute perfect knowledge from induction. In the real world we bet our lives constantly on knowledge gained from induction. Equating the faith necessary to believe if i jump I'll come down vs the faith that if I die I'll meet Jesus is comical. |
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Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Science presupposes logic, math, and induction. You can keep writing lol, but the problem of induction is a real issue that great atheistic philosophers have struggled with. I can tell you they didn't respond with lol as an opening. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Originally Posted By kzin: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: Doesn't the problem of induction require faith that the future will be like the past? lol the 'faith' that something that has been verified a million times will happen again vs the 'faith' that something that has never been verified once is absolutely true Science presupposes logic, math, and induction. You can keep writing lol, but the problem of induction is a real issue that great atheistic philosophers have struggled with. I can tell you they didn't respond with lol as an opening. |
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Originally Posted By thepantydropper: So if you have a wife and kids, you don’t actually love them. The chemicals in your brain just fizz a certain way towards them, correct? View Quote Love is a chemical reaction. The desire to protect your family is rooted from an instinctual need to ensure your genes survive to the next generation. Are you saying because your thoughts are a chemical reaction that they are not "real"? I don't see any reason to believe that. But again, none of this proves the existence of a creator one way or the other. |
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Originally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine: One day when I was like 8 on the way home from baseball practice, a group of older special needs people showed up at the Burger King we were eating at. One middle aged mentally challenged guy was walking past our booth as we were eating and he stops and the foot of our table and looks at my dad dead in the eye and says "HIIIIIIII". Now, I'm utterly at a loss for words. My dad isn't exactly the most politely spoken man in the world and isn't above making fun of people for their shortcomings. I'm half scared, half curious how my dad is going to respond to him. My dad is literally chewing on his Whopper when this happens. He puts it down and turns to the guy and with no emotion on his face says "HI" and waves to him. The mentally challenged man was super happy about that and got a little smile and walked away. My dad picks his Whopper back up and takes a bite, no emotion, like nothing just happened. He takes a bite and then says to me, "Son, you always have to be nice to the retards", and goes back to finish his Whopper. He was 100% serious. I don't think I said anything for the next 10 minutes. And that lesson has stuck with me ever since. Which is why I'm not going to make a comment about your post. Edit: The originator has shown up on page 2. View Quote plot twist: he was quiet for 10 minutes because it finally hit him why everyone was so nice |
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Originally Posted By KYLiberty: Yeah, I went from going to Sunday school and church every week, to an atheist, to a form of pantheist based on my own theory of how reality works after studying things like quantum physics simply because I had questions and found it interesting. I've also studied many religions and a lot of philosophy. Having really enjoyed microbiology, especially genetics and even considered a career in it, having been one of the computer prodigies that popped up in the 80's, and having decades of experience in systems engineering and architecture, I see intelligence, intent, and influence in life and the universe. The more math and science I look at, the more apparent it becomes to me. None of this should be able to exist if true random exists. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By KYLiberty: Originally Posted By Kingdead: Originally Posted By KYLiberty: OP probably is. I however, am not. I am saying that I don't believe that any mainstream religion has it right, including atheism, which I see as a secular religion. As a mathematician and a scientist, I can very easily see the gigantic problem with evolution and the origin of species as currently taught, but can also see the problems in religious texts. I can also see the adaptation that is actually occurring, the development of layers of interdependent systems, and it truly fascinates me. If Einstein and Hawking had a baby. |
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Originally Posted By Phiers: This is gold. Pure gold. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Phiers: Originally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine: One day when I was like 8 on the way home from baseball practice, a group of older special needs people showed up at the Burger King we were eating at. One middle aged mentally challenged guy was walking past our booth as we were eating and he stops and the foot of our table and looks at my dad dead in the eye and says "HIIIIIIII". Now, I'm utterly at a loss for words. My dad isn't exactly the most politely spoken man in the world and isn't above making fun of people for their shortcomings. I'm half scared, half curious how my dad is going to respond to him. My dad is literally chewing on his Whopper when this happens. He puts it down and turns to the guy and with no emotion on his face says "HI" and waves to him. The mentally challenged man was super happy about that and got a little smile and walked away. My dad picks his Whopper back up and takes a bite, no emotion, like nothing just happened. He takes a bite and then says to me, "Son, you always have to be nice to the retards", and goes back to finish his Whopper. He was 100% serious. I don't think I said anything for the next 10 minutes. And that lesson has stuck with me ever since. Which is why I'm not going to make a comment about your post. This is gold. Pure gold. |
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I'll just ask a simple question of any atheist that feels he might want to answer...how do you know there is no God?
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Originally Posted By TomMcC: I'll just ask a simple question of any atheist that feels he might want to answer...how do you know there is no God? View Quote Do you feel strongly there are only 2 genders? What if I said there are more genders, but I can't show you any of those other genders. You can only read about those genders in this book I have. How could you say there aren't more than 2 genders? |
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Originally Posted By TomMcC: I'll just ask a simple question of any atheist that feels he might want to answer...how do you know there is no God? View Quote How do you know Thor isn't real? Or Zeus? Or Shiva? Same way... While I cannot prove without a doubt that Zeus is not real, the obvious answer is there isn't any good reason to believe in Zeus anymore. Would you agree? The world is not some mystical place where natural phenomenon aren't understood anymore. Same can be said about the ancient religions from the Middle East. Made up by men who knew next to nothing about the Universe or the world they lived in. Perhaps there is some wisdom in what they wrote, but knowledge? Not much. And just because a billion people believe something, doesn't make it true. Lots of other examples of that. |
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Originally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine: One day when I was like 8 on the way home from baseball practice, a group of older special needs people showed up at the Burger King we were eating at. One middle aged mentally challenged guy was walking past our booth as we were eating and he stops and the foot of our table and looks at my dad dead in the eye and says "HIIIIIIII". Now, I'm utterly at a loss for words. My dad isn't exactly the most politely spoken man in the world and isn't above making fun of people for their shortcomings. I'm half scared, half curious how my dad is going to respond to him. My dad is literally chewing on his Whopper when this happens. He puts it down and turns to the guy and with no emotion on his face says "HI" and waves to him. The mentally challenged man was super happy about that and got a little smile and walked away. My dad picks his Whopper back up and takes a bite, no emotion, like nothing just happened. He takes a bite and then says to me, "Son, you always have to be nice to the retards", and goes back to finish his Whopper. He was 100% serious. I don't think I said anything for the next 10 minutes. And that lesson has stuck with me ever since. Which is why I'm not going to make a comment about your post. Edit: The originator has shown up on page 2. View Quote That is easily one of the most profound and simple life lessons I have read on the interwebs. Thanks for sharing. |
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Originally Posted By spyk3: Originally Posted By thepantydropper: If logic is merely atoms colliding inside of your brain (brain fizz), how can you trust that random collision of atoms is geared at any sort of truth? It would seem that as an Atheist, you would be unable to trust your own thoughts. I’ve used the google but found no good answer to this question. What say the Atheists here? User name fits.. Remember, he is the devout Christian seeking for a pure woman with Christian values to be his wife. |
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Originally Posted By Kingdead: If you have never seen something and nobody can show you that something, wouldn't most say they generally don't believe in it? Do you feel strongly there are only 2 genders? What if I said there are more genders, but I can't show you any of those other genders. You can only read about those genders in this book I have. How could you say there aren't more than 2 genders? View Quote |
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