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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:26:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bogdan: Dont BMW owners have to pay a subscription fee for the driveway low oil indicator stain? Fuck BMW. I put a guage in mine since there's no dipstick and the electronic indicator takes a few minutes to give you a result. That minute or two cost me an engine.  I do know quit a bit about the N54 now and it's way faster than it used to be. 
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:26:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bogdan: That problem was solved a long time ago. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bogdan: Originally Posted By Eight_Ring: Subarus have Boxer engines. The head gaskets are a known weak spot in the engineering of certain models years. They pull the engine, seperate the cylinder heads, and install new gaskets. Basically it is all the work of an engien swap and rebuild. I don't know if $4K is a good price on that or not. That problem was solved a long time ago. Well then I can't explain why OP spent $4K on resealing his engine, then. Serpentine belt and water pump ought to be done at 100K miles (or 10 years). That's a $1K+ service. Might as well replace the seals while you are in there. No idea where the rest of the money went. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:27:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goodn: Lol.. You aren't wrong. But 4k is pretty ridiculous. We have never charged that doing full on engine swaps on Subarus. OP is very vague on the work that was done so we may be arguing about very different things. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:29:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eight_Ring: Well then I can't explain why OP spent $4K on resealing his engine, then. Serpentine belt and water pump ought to be done at 100K miles (or 10 years). That's a $1K+ service. Might as well replace the seals while you are in there. No idea where the rest of the money went. The engine literally splits down the middle, lots of tings that can leak. 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:30:29 AM EDT
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If you think your going to put a ton of mile's on it relatively quickly and planning on a new car soon, would a cheap leased car be a dumb move? Like some Kia for $250-300 a month.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:33:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bogdan: The engine literally splits down the middle, lots of tings that can leak. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557299/s-l1600-3195086.jpg There's plenty of other maintenance I would have done, if not already taken care of for that money and mileage. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:36:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goodn: Lol.. You aren't wrong. But 4k is pretty ridiculous. We have never charged that doing full on engine swaps on Subarus. It’s easier to swap an engine than reseal it… Head gaskets left and right pay 13.5 on AllData. Rear main is 0.5 on its own. 14 hours plus parts would land you pretty close to $4000 here. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:36:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By STL_Nik: Subaru uses horizontally opposed engines and the nature of H engines is they leak from every orfice. Resealing a Subaru isn't uncommon and requires removing the engine. Most of GD is incapable of understanding this because they bought their first car in 1921. You’ve got it exactly backwards. We never heard of a “ReSeal” because we Didn’t buy 1921 technology. Now we know. Jeep has the Wave and the Ducks, Subaru has the “Reseal”. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:36:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By STL_Nik: No it's not. Parts and labor $4k to remove an engine reseal and reinstall is not obscene. I've been a tech for almost 20 years Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By STL_Nik: Originally Posted By TStick: Dude - 4K was too much to charge him for that. No it's not. Parts and labor $4k to remove an engine reseal and reinstall is not obscene. I've been a tech for almost 20 years It was a joke. I still don't even know what he said. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:36:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aftac: coolant seals were leaking and some oil was leaking. Your model year does not have head gasket issues at 120K unless it was abused. Coolant on top of the intake area are $10 worth of O-Rings for the cross over pipe. I am interested to know where the oil leaking was other than the spark tube seals or valve overs. I can do all that work in 5 hours and less than $100 in parts, because I have, |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:36:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: On a 2019 with 120k miles i think he got taken for a ride unless it was already leaking, which is pretty rare on any of the newer ones. Oil consumption can still be a thing but being extra leaky or the head gasket problems were fixed by around 2014. There's plenty of other maintenance I would have done, if not already taken care of for that money and mileage. Maybe? Probably? We have little to no details from OP. I had one dealership wanting to replace my whole transmission for 5k, private mechanic just reattached the ground strap for 150 bucks form me and off I went. |
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MA, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:37:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ridgerunner9876: I'm glad I wasnt the only one. I think I get the gist. OP, was there oil on the ground or did you just have to add oil more often than you thought you should. At 120k, you have another 80-100k basically trouble free miles. On a Subaru? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:38:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:39:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Bogdan]
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ND, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:40:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: On a 2019 with 120k miles i think he got taken for a ride unless it was already leaking, which is pretty rare on any of the newer ones. Oil consumption can still be a thing but being extra leaky or the head gasket problems were fixed by around 2014. There's plenty of other maintenance I would have done, if not already taken care of for that money and mileage. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: Originally Posted By Bogdan: The engine literally splits down the middle, lots of tings that can leak. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557299/s-l1600-3195086.jpg There's plenty of other maintenance I would have done, if not already taken care of for that money and mileage. I suppose at a dealer rates depending on how much labor they quoted 4k comes pretty quickly. And if it came to splitting the case.. that is a pita that involves basically tearing down and rebuilding the engine. But shit.. we had subie engine swaps down to just over three hours. That was towing the car in.. removing old engine and removing accessories off of it and installing them on the new and stabbing it in and putting liquids and oils in it and driving it out. They really aren't that hard to do. I won't say he got taken if they split the case. But damn.. 4k! |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:41:34 AM EDT
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I have "resealed" many Subarus. They do leak oil with age. Head gaskets, valve covers, rear seal all of it.
When it's that far apart we did timing belt and pulleys, thermostat, water pump, reseal oil pump, usually mill the head, plugs, ect. Manufacturer wants head bolts replaced but we never did and never had a comeback for it. Others may not and it adds to the cost. Those engines can easily be out in 2 hours with experience. Expense is lots of parts. We had better luck if we got them from Subaru. As far as 4K? Sounds like a lot but labor rates and parts are through the roof thanks to potato head. It's been 10 years since I did one, cost back then was over $2200. So 4K, maybe what it is today. Some shops are $200 per hour now. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:42:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maslin02: It’s easier to swap an engine than reseal it… Head gaskets left and right pay 13.5 on AllData. Rear main is 0.5 on its own. 14 hours plus parts would land you pretty close to $4000 here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maslin02: Originally Posted By Goodn: Lol.. You aren't wrong. But 4k is pretty ridiculous. We have never charged that doing full on engine swaps on Subarus. It’s easier to swap an engine than reseal it… Head gaskets left and right pay 13.5 on AllData. Rear main is 0.5 on its own. 14 hours plus parts would land you pretty close to $4000 here. It is. I would have gotten a good junk yard motor and gone through the seals and dropped that in and went through the old at my leisure for way less than 4k. But.. when you are at the mercy of a shop. Labor rates stack up. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:43:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryBUT the shop is going to charge a few grand for the install labor too. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:45:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bogdan: WTF is a reseal? ... seriously?  Engines are mostly sealed by RTV nowadays, shit does not hold forever and leaks eventually. I've done a few total engine reseals before, sucks ass. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:45:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SideCarGT: What does “reseal” mean? Was your engine leaking super bad from many gaskets and engine seals and they pulled the engine out to just replace those? For some yeah. The last one I did about 3 years ago was on a V8 barego that the customer still has and refuses to let die. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:45:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goodn: I suppose at a dealer rates depending on how much labor they quoted 4k comes pretty quickly. And if it came to splitting the case.. that is a pita that involves basically tearing down and rebuilding the engine. But shit.. we had subie engine swaps down to just over three hours. That was towing the car in.. removing old engine and removing accessories off of it and installing them on the new and stabbing it in and putting liquids and oils in it and driving it out. They really aren't that hard to do. I won't say he got taken if they split the case. But damn.. 4k! R&R crankshaft is 18.8 on AllData. Splitting cases, all the seals, engine out and back in. That’s over $4k in labor here, probably a bit less at the Subaru dealer. Plus parts. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:46:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MtnMusic: BUT the shop is going to charge a few grand for the install labor too. For a grand more he could have had a brand new engine instead of paying to rip apart the whole block and reuse 120k mi old engine. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:47:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: ... seriously? Engines are mostly sealed by RTV nowadays, shit does not hold forever and leaks eventually. I've done a few total engine reseals before, sucks ass. The reason I am asking this is because its a boxer. On boxer this could mean pull the entire thing apart COMPLETLEY to reseal the two halves. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:47:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
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You paid $4000 to replace all engine gaskets ? Or you paid $4000.00 for an engine rebuild, replacing gaskets, timing chain / belt, new rings, valves, bearings and the works?
Because the first option seems a gigantic waste of money, while the second a good / much better use of money. However I would not have even considered number 2, unless it was at or near 200,000 miles ( as any modern engine should easily last 200,000 miles ) or was well over 200,000 or was experiencing reliability issues of some kind, burning oil badly, running badly, leaking oil / coolant badly etc. as again, it’s a waste of money to rebuild a engine that’s probably got 20,000-100,000 miles left on it, your driving to work, not racing nascar and breaking down going to cost you the big race / huge money in loss, etc. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:49:30 AM EDT
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You said a reseal is a rebuild, well fuck that at 120,000. What a POS>
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ND, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:50:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maslin02: R&R crankshaft is 18.8 on AllData. Splitting cases, all the seals, engine out and back in. That’s over $4k in labor here, probably a bit less at the Subaru dealer. Plus parts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maslin02: Originally Posted By Goodn: I suppose at a dealer rates depending on how much labor they quoted 4k comes pretty quickly. And if it came to splitting the case.. that is a pita that involves basically tearing down and rebuilding the engine. But shit.. we had subie engine swaps down to just over three hours. That was towing the car in.. removing old engine and removing accessories off of it and installing them on the new and stabbing it in and putting liquids and oils in it and driving it out. They really aren't that hard to do. I won't say he got taken if they split the case. But damn.. 4k! R&R crankshaft is 18.8 on AllData. Splitting cases, all the seals, engine out and back in. That’s over $4k in labor here, probably a bit less at the Subaru dealer. Plus parts. As I said.. I am saying depending on the depth of work there is a chance he may not have been taken to the cleaners. I also understand labor and labor rates are nuts and add up quickly. I am also stating my experience with subarus. I am glad between friends and I, I have the ability to do the shit on my own.  |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:51:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: No offense OP, but "Reseal" sounds kind of like a BS name invented to extract maximum $ from a customer. Specific seals and gaskets should be named in any job. We don't know if the engine was even pulled, I assume not. OP using the term "reseal" sounds like that is just what he was told. So, likely someone just replaced a few gaskets, engine in place. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:53:41 AM EDT
[#28]
OP can you show us the invoice plz?
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:54:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By STL_Nik: Subaru uses horizontally opposed engines and the nature of H engines is they leak from every orfice. Resealing a Subaru isn't uncommon and requires removing the engine. Most of GD is incapable of understanding this because they bought their first car in 1921. Also any Porsche owner or fan should know this as well. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:56:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sprtpilot: We don't know if the engine was even pulled, I assume not. OP using the term "reseal" sounds like that is just what he was told. So, likely someone just replaced a few gaskets, engine in place. You can’t change the spark plugs with the engine in place on some Subarus. The engine came out. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:57:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: You've got it exactly backwards. We never heard of a "ReSeal" because we Didn't buy 1921 technology. Now we know. Jeep has the Wave and the Ducks, Subaru has the "Reseal". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Originally Posted By STL_Nik: Subaru uses horizontally opposed engines and the nature of H engines is they leak from every orfice. Resealing a Subaru isn't uncommon and requires removing the engine. Most of GD is incapable of understanding this because they bought their first car in 1921. You've got it exactly backwards. We never heard of a "ReSeal" because we Didn't buy 1921 technology. Now we know. Jeep has the Wave and the Ducks, Subaru has the "Reseal". |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:58:03 AM EDT
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Engine was pulled and some of the parts were replaced with the reseal of all the parts. I think from when I was deployed for 15 months my ex added 25K miles to the car. If the car has issues its probally that and my fault for not keeping with the dealership after the 100,000 mile warranty was expired. I kind of wanted to go new car but my goal since starting my new non DOD job has been to pay off all my debt.
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Posted: 4/22/2024 10:59:27 AM EDT
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Should have spent $4000 on spelling and grammar lessons.
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:00:38 AM EDT
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GD Ignorance never ceases to amaze as me.
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ND, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:00:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Like_Button: Should have spent $4000 on spelling and grammar lessons. Don't cut yourself on that edge. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:00:55 AM EDT
[#36]
Dude, I have a master's in physics. I do not know how to write anything past my published papers.
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:04:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: You’ve got it exactly backwards. We never heard of a “ReSeal” because we Didn’t buy 1921 technology. Now we know. Jeep has the Wave and the Ducks, Subaru has the “Reseal”. Heck boxers are even older than 1921, Some of the first cars in existence had boxer engines. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:05:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: No offense OP, but "Reseal" sounds kind of like a BS name invented to extract maximum $ from a customer. Specific seals and gaskets should be named in any job. Sounds like it to me too. Just like the Toyota guy that was charged $600 to "re-seal" his transmission when all that was done was R+R the pan gasket. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:05:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aftac: Dude, I have a master's in physics. I do not know how to write anything past my published papers. Know that feel but with automotive tech. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:07:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diesel1: Sounds like it to me too. Just like the Toyota guy that was charged $600 to "re-seal" his transmission when all that was done was R+R the pan gasket. Trans? I dread the day I have to reseal my c6 auto. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:07:56 AM EDT
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Lesbian problems
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:08:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Like_Button: Should have spent $4000 on spelling and grammar lessons. 
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:09:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By STL_Nik: Subaru uses horizontally opposed engines and the nature of H engines is they leak from every orfice. Resealing a Subaru isn't uncommon and requires removing the engine. Most of GD is incapable of understanding this because they bought their first car in 1921. Circa 1970's, my girlfriend's dad was a GM engineer and a Corvair enthusiast. He was working on the car quite often. So, things haven't changed much in 50 years? I don't recall VW/Porsche boxer engines having those issues though. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:09:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maslin02: Taking an engine out for us is ~$5500 minimum, plus parts and whatever actual work you need done. $4k is a steal, depending on what was done. You did not get a “rebuild”. Did you get headgaskets? Probably headgaskets, rear main, front crank seal, cam seals, valve cover seals, and reseal the front cover. Probably pushing $15k at my shop, but we don’t work on Subarus.  $5500 is a rip off, at $150 an hour in labor that's almost 37hrs just to take an engine out. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:09:41 AM EDT
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Purple monkey dishwasher?
Narfle the Garthok! |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:09:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bogdan: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557299/91g52xGyCLL__AC_UF350_350_QL80_-3195109.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bogdan: Originally Posted By The_Like_Button: Should have spent $4000 on spelling and grammar lessons. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557299/91g52xGyCLL__AC_UF350_350_QL80_-3195109.jpg 
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:11:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Furyataurus: $5500 is a rip off, at $150 an hour in labor that's almost 37hrs just to take an engine out. We were $150 an hour in 2008 or so. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:11:42 AM EDT
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Sounds like talking to my 82 year old dad when he talks about his boat.
"Yeah, gonna take it in and have them mist the engine" "What, dad? What is that" "Weeeell, it hadn't been run in a couple years so I'll just have em take it, err, well, you know, with the oil. So it doesn't start dry. You know oil it up" "Uhhh. Dad. I don't know what you mean. Like put oil on the cylinders through the spark plug holes?" "Weeeell, yeah. I guess. You know. Just to make sure" "Dad, if you want that done it would take me about 30min. But you know they are just going to change the oil and start it right up and hand you a $1000 invoice." "Weeeell, anyways..." |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:11:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By STL_Nik: No it's not. Parts and labor $4k to remove an engine reseal and reinstall is not obscene. I've been a tech for almost 20 years Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By STL_Nik: Originally Posted By TStick: Dude - 4K was too much to charge him for that. No it's not. Parts and labor $4k to remove an engine reseal and reinstall is not obscene. I've been a tech for almost 20 years I might have to go back to working on cars........ |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:14:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diesel1: I might have to go back to working on cars........ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diesel1: Originally Posted By STL_Nik: Originally Posted By TStick: Dude - 4K was too much to charge him for that. No it's not. Parts and labor $4k to remove an engine reseal and reinstall is not obscene. I've been a tech for almost 20 years I might have to go back to working on cars........ |
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