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Link Posted: 4/22/2024 2:30:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By USCG_CPO:
I was recently at a multi-service event and the amount of enlisted I spoke to who were all getting out was unreal.  Probably 75% of them from E6 to E4 with anywhere from 4 to 10 years TIS were either in the process of ETS'ing or getting ready to start.  

The senior enlisted people said it was a massive problem and they saw no light at the end of the tunnel.  The worst example was an E6 with 14 years, said he couldn't take it anymore.  Damn, 14 years down the drain.

But don't worry, things are going swell and our people are being well cared for  I have no idea why we have a recruiting crisis!

Barksdale Air Force Base Closes Dining Hall Due to 'Pest Control Issue'

Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana closed its sole dining hall as it deals with an ongoing pest issue, and it will remain unavailable to airmen until the issue is resolved, according to the base.

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You know shit is bad if even the Zoomies start having the same quality of life issues the other services deal with.

It must be deliberate at this point.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 2:46:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fssf158:

And still subject himself to the UCMJ for those 6 years.
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Guard is only subject to the UCMJ while on Title 10 orders.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 2:49:12 PM EDT
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We’re beyond saving.  This whole motherfucker needs to burn to the ground.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 2:53:02 PM EDT
[#4]
Failure to Obey covers a lot of ground and generally whatever political BS you need it to cover.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 2:55:09 PM EDT
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Imagine getting a job, as an officer, that would force subordinates to salute and confirm your gender multiple times a day while simultaneously be at the top of victim hierarchy - even higher than a black female.  Sounds like the perfect job for that population.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 2:56:20 PM EDT
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Fuck that DEI hire tranny and the administration that put him there.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 2:56:23 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/22/2024 2:57:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GordonFreeman1:
Our enemies will be overwhelmed by the diversity of our troops.
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Yes, their leaders will declare "we can't repel that many pronouns."  The cult of woke will shame the enemy into surrender when they realize that they can't match our trannie or furry numbers.  



Link Posted: 4/22/2024 2:57:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Underscore_O_Three:
Got out in 2023.  Was unreal at the time and, it appears, only getting worse!
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I retired in 2014 and I thought it was getting bad then. I'm currently a DoD Civilian and I will not be participating in military clown world. I'm okay with being fired.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 2:58:48 PM EDT
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Just eliminate pronouns.

Officers are addressed as Sir and NCOs by their rank.

Simple fix.

We are all green and no longer have a gender, your gender is Soldier, Marine, Sailor or Airman.

The term Ma'am should be stricken from the military.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:03:59 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:06:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Eroic:
Just use his rank.  He will get the idea when you use ma'am and sir with everyone else but Col. for that dude.
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They’ll eventually make that a crime too, kinda like how active measures to avoidgetting “me tooed” are being classified as “creating a hostile work environment”. It’s all about forcing you to comply to their every whim, they get off on it.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:10:17 PM EDT
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Imagine, if you will, in today's remake of MASH, all the men are trannies in dresses or homosexuals and Corporal Kinger is still trying to get drummed out of the army by claiming to be a normal heterosexual male.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:12:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By akethan:
Mentally ill fucks
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Yup, they are cult worshippers up there with the Heaven's Gate and Jim Jones types.  Absolute madness and these crazies are running the asylum at the highest levels now including at the Pentagon.

Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:13:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By killstick_engaged:



Trump's not gonna save you lol

At best he's a speed bump
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Never thought he would or could and I am on record saying his first term was nothing but a speed bump as would his second term but it beats the alternative.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:14:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ozgur:
Imagine, if you will, in today's remake of MASH, all the men are trannies in dresses or homosexuals and Corporal Kinger is still trying to get drummed out of the army by claiming to be a normal heterosexual male.
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He’d be wearing a MAGA hat and walking around with a copy of “American Rifleman” under his arm.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:25:49 PM EDT
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Good news no more pre deployment pregnancy for our gender confused sterile soldiers.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:29:43 PM EDT
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How many Genders are there Sgt. Winston?

Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:31:54 PM EDT
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The military isn't woke! It's just that the economy is so great! Really guys! For real!!
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:32:29 PM EDT
[#20]
Retarded and gay
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:35:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dumak:
Living in clown world isn't enough.

You will be forced to participate in clown world.
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That is how totalitarian total control works.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:42:35 PM EDT
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You see, shit like this is why they were deemed unsuitable for service to begin with.  What barracks and latrine does a troon use?  How do you get their normal blockers to them in the field?  How do you address a troon?

All of this is a distraction that should have never been foisted on a commander all the way down to a Pv1.  Yet here we are talking about ruining careers and putting troops in jail because of BULLSHIT.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:47:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FreefallRet:
Just eliminate pronouns.

Officers are addressed as Sir and NCOs by their rank.

Simple fix.

We are all green and no longer have a gender, your gender is Soldier, Marine, Sailor or Airman.

The term Ma'am should be stricken from the military.
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Yeah that would work.  But why?  Why throw out hundreds of years of tradition and rewrite all the fucking manuals?  For troons?
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:48:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ozgur:
Imagine, if you will, in today's remake of MASH, all the men are trannies in dresses or homosexuals and Corporal Kinger is still trying to get drummed out of the army by claiming to be a normal heterosexual male.
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Damn.  Never thought about it that way.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 3:49:52 PM EDT
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China is so going to fuck us up.





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Link Posted: 4/22/2024 4:15:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By USCG_CPO:
I was recently at a multi-service event and the amount of enlisted I spoke to who were all getting out was unreal.  Probably 75% of them from E6 to E4 with anywhere from 4 to 10 years TIS were either in the process of ETS'ing or getting ready to start.  

The senior enlisted people said it was a massive problem and they saw no light at the end of the tunnel.  The worst example was an E6 with 14 years, said he couldn't take it anymore.  Damn, 14 years down the drain.

But don't worry, things are going swell and our people are being well cared for  I have no idea why we have a recruiting crisis!
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At my final unit a couple years ago, I won't say it was all because of covid, but that didn't help, well over half, I think legitimately 3/4, the CGO's were separating.  We were officer heavy, and few wanted anything to do with staying in due to overall USAF stupidity.

The commander wasn't even trying to keep anyone.  He helped a number of them find jobs.  Many completely left the defense industry.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 4:19:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mattellis2:
I need about 30 more years in a rural, quiet farm area where things are still relatively normal.  


Am I going to make it?
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Zero chance.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 4:31:23 PM EDT
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Only in an insane world would the insane be promoted to a high rank in the military, political office,etc.. I wonder if he did it for further advancement as well.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 4:46:07 PM EDT
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Retarded and gay
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Monica. Fellow Gen Xer
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 4:46:53 PM EDT
[#30]
Sounds like a good reason not to reenlist/enlist.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 4:49:12 PM EDT
[#31]
Should really help recruitment numbers.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 4:56:32 PM EDT
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A lot of Americans will bleed in the next conflict as a result of the military's current priorities.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 5:00:05 PM EDT
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People will definitely re-enlist after being disciplined for pronouns.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 5:01:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By STRIKE504:
A lot of Americans will bleed in the next conflict as a result of the military's current priorities.
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I wonder what they'll do if they get tangled up in a conflict and take a lot of casualties that can't get back into action and they can't get replacements.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 5:04:07 PM EDT
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The Chicoms and Russia are laughing so hard at us
they have rice wine and vodka squirting out their noses.

Link Posted: 4/22/2024 5:06:21 PM EDT
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Lol. Muh retention. Shit is ridiculous.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 5:37:48 PM EDT
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one of my instructors at USNA was a (afaik) biological woman and looked almost exactly like the Colonel.  She was also an 0-6 and a crazy cat lady as well.   I did a doubletake when I saw the video
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 5:39:53 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/22/2024 5:42:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:
https://dailycaller.com/2024/04/21/military-could-hit-troops-with-court-martials-for-refusing-to-use-preferred-pronouns-experts-say/


Micaela Burrow
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April 21, 2024 7:58 PM ET
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The military could seek to formally punish service members for refusing to use another service member’s preferred pronouns under existing policy, according to military experts.

A 2020 Equal Opportunity law opened the door for commanders to subject someone who refuses to affirm a transgender servicemember’s so-called gender identity to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) for charges related to harassment, Capt. Thomas Wheatley, an assistant professor at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, told the Daily Caller News Foundation. Such a move would likely infringe on a servicemember’s constitutional rights to uphold their conscience, but it might not prevent leaders from employing more subtle ways of disciplining service members.

Military experts told the DCNF Congress should step in before it’s too late.

The military “is right to want to protect the rights and welfare of its transgender service members. But it owes the same protection to those who share a different perspective on the issue, especially when that perspective is a deep-seated expression of personal conscience,” Wheatley told the DCNF. (RELATED: Pentagon Won’t Respond To New Research Casting Doubt On Studies Supporting Military’s DEI Push)

None of the military’s rules explicitly prohibit so-called “misgendering,” when someone uses pronouns to describe a transgender person which do not correspond to the person’s new gender identity, Wheatley explained. However, existing guidance implies that using pronouns rejected by another person violates Military Equal Opportunity (MEO) regulations against sex-based harassment and discrimination.

The UCMJ enforces those regulations.

Service members could conceivably be court-martialed for “refusing to use another person’s self-identified pronouns, even when their refusal stems from principled religious conviction,” Wheatley told the DCNF. “This law applies to service members at all times and in all locations, even when they’re off duty and in the privacy of their off-post residence.”

UCMJ also prohibits “conduct unbecoming of an officer” and activity that could be seen to discredit the military institution — the same article the military uses to prosecute child pornographers and other acts of sexual deviance, he explained.

“Is it now ‘unbecoming’ and incompatible with service as a commissioned officer to openly hold sincere religious convictions surrounding the act of creation and the nature of human sex?” Wheatley asked.

Wheatley said his interest in the issue was sparked four years ago, when the Army updated its MEO policy stating “violations of MEO and Harassment Prevention and Response policies may result in disciplinary action under the UCMJ.”

The possibility of levying a criminal trial on a servicemember for perceived harassment if that person “misgendered” another service member troubled Wheatley, he said. The Supreme Court had just ruled on Bostock v. Clayton County in favor of the gay and transgender plaintiffs alleging their employers fired them on the basis of their self-described sexual orientation, or gender identity. Conservative justices warned the case could have far-reaching consequences for organizations operating based on religious belief and free exercise of religion in the workplace.

“I knew, given the cultural gap between the civilian world and the military, the issue would be overlooked as it concerned service members. So, I got to work,” he told the DCNF.

In a peer reviewed article recently published in the Texas Review of Law and Politics, Wheatley argued that, despite the existing EO policy, Articles 133 and 134 of the UCMJ are not strong enough to prosecute troops for spurning another’s preferred pronouns.

Under a legal doctrine that “obligates military courts to avoid interpreting the UCMJ in a way that brings it into conflict with the Constitution if possible, that would normally be the end of the analysis,” he wrote. But, the national security imperatives inbuilt with military service often justify curtailing a servicemember’s constitutional rights — for example, the UCMJ’s Article 134 “indecent language.”

Wheatley countered in the article that the military’s special mission can inform judicial analysis but does not require a separate standard.

“A court that applies a standard lower than strict scrutiny would be placing not just a thumb on the scale in the government’s favor, but an anvil — one which virtually guarantees victory for the government in every case where a service member asserts his or her First Amendment rights,” he wrote. It would be “tough” for the military to prove it had a strong enough mission-related argument to mandate gender-pronoun usage.

Arguments that might be considered, such as preserving harmony within military units and safeguarding transgender troops’ emotional and psychological well-being, are certainly important, he wrote. But the former relies too heavily on the vicissitudes of individual interpretation to survive judicial review, while the latter does not take into account the health of the servicemember seeking to live out their religious convictions.

“Preserving unit cohesion and safeguarding the mental and emotional health of transgender service members, though compelling government interests, do not justify the sweeping prior restraints on speech,” made possible in the Army policy, Wheatley wrote.

Previous case law shows that even in military contexts, the standard for what may be prohibited compelled speech is strong, he found.

Looking at previous cases of public employment law governing speech, where free speech has been more frequently challenged than in military-specific case law, he likewise found no strong case for mandating pronoun use.

“The use of one pronoun over another reflects the speaker’s private views on human sex and gender” and isn’t conditioned on the person’s employment, Wheatley argued.

The Pentagon referred the DCNF to the services, which did not respond to requests for comment by deadline.

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Wheatley’s research highlights ongoing concerns about the military’s respect for matters of conscience.

Pentagon leaders have pushed diversity and inclusion as an indispensable component of warfighting effectiveness. Opponents say the focus focus on race, gender and sexual identity has distracted the military from more important issues and unfairly privileged minorities. DEI priorities have now overtaken matters of conscience in multiple domains.

In lawsuits over the slow-rolling of religious waivers to the COVID-19 vaccine, for example, victims argued the services issued blanket denials rather than considering each request individually, as they are legally required to do.

Defense Department documents, including the 2022 Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI) Strategic Plan, discuss the freedom to “speak candidly” about issues as a “readiness imperative,” ensuring troops feel included as part of a whole.

“The military policy and legal infrastructure clearly exist to wage war on Americans with deeply-held traditional beliefs about man and woman,” William Thibeau, director of the Claremont Institute’s American Military Project, told the DCNF. Wheatley’s article “should be a red flag to policy makers and elected officials to end this tyranny of liberalism before it is formally levied against American Soldiers preferring to live in reality.”

Experts were not aware of any incidents where a branch of the armed services had attempted to use the UCMJ to punish a servicemember for refusing preferred pronouns.

Commanders do have a wide berth to discipline servicemembers in ways that do not involve a criminal trial but can still have serious implications for a servicemember’s career, possibly including separation from the military under less than honorable circumstances, Wheatley said. Such measures resolve more quickly, have a lower burden of proof than “are almost always shielded from public scrutiny.”

Instead of leaving it to chance, Congress could force the military to establish a servicemember’s “unqualified” right to use pronouns consistent with their religious convictions, a one-pager provided by Claremont suggested. The experts advocated stronger measures too, including decriminalizing unspecified MEO violations and to narrow its scope so that it only applies to activities a servicemember performs while on normal duty hours or contributing to an official military mission.

Congress should develop a public record of incidents in the military where religious freedom is seen to come under threat, the document stated.

Claremont suggested the military conduct regular training on the importance of religious freedom throughout the armed forces and study ways to strengthen protections on service members’ religious expression.

Wheatley also said service chiefs could consider demands for a service member to speak in violation of his or her religious convictions as harassment.
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A 2020 Equal Opportunity law opened the door for commanders to subject someone who refuses to affirm a transgender servicemember’s so-called gender identity to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) for charges related to harassment, Capt. Thomas Wheatley, an assistant professor at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, told the Daily Caller News Foundation. Such a move would likely infringe on a servicemember’s constitutional rights to uphold their conscience, but it might not prevent leaders from employing more subtle ways of disciplining service members.

None of the military’s rules explicitly prohibit so-called “misgendering,” when someone uses pronouns to describe a transgender person which do not correspond to the person’s new gender identity, Wheatley explained. However, existing guidance implies that using pronouns rejected by another person violates Military Equal Opportunity (MEO) regulations against sex-based harassment and discrimination.

The UCMJ enforces those regulations.

Service members could conceivably be court-martialed for “refusing to use another person’s self-identified pronouns, even when their refusal stems from principled religious conviction,” Wheatley told the DCNF. “This law applies to service members at all times and in all locations, even when they’re off duty and in the privacy of their off-post residence.”
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Well, that’s one way “to kicked out of a chicken-shit outfit.”


Call the Lt a ‘sir-mam.’
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 5:57:22 PM EDT
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This outta shore up recruiting and retention.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 5:58:06 PM EDT
[#41]
I will continue to call people what their DEER gender is.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 6:00:14 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/22/2024 6:01:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

I wonder what they'll do if they get tangled up in a conflict and take a lot of casualties that can't get back into action and they can't get replacements.
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Originally Posted By STRIKE504:
A lot of Americans will bleed in the next conflict as a result of the military's current priorities.

I wonder what they'll do if they get tangled up in a conflict and take a lot of casualties that can't get back into action and they can't get replacements.

Probably try to institute a draft and then quickly realize it isn't 1967 and they've alienated their traditional combat arms pools. 🤷‍♂️
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 6:03:17 PM EDT
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That will end when the first Chaplain refuses and the JAG finds himself in the hot seat of a Congressional Investigation.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 6:05:56 PM EDT
[#45]
Always refer to them in the third person.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 6:06:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

I wonder what they'll do if they get tangled up in a conflict and take a lot of casualties that can't get back into action and they can't get replacements.
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Enlist at gunpoint
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 6:14:01 PM EDT
[#47]
Yes sir, kiss my ass sir.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 6:15:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ozgur:
There will come a time when we will all have to stand against the evil that our government has become.
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That time is now.
Link Posted: 4/22/2024 6:16:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TBL004:

That time is now.
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Originally Posted By TBL004:
Originally Posted By Ozgur:
There will come a time when we will all have to stand against the evil that our government has become.

That time is now.

LOL

No ones gonna do shit

Link Posted: 4/22/2024 6:17:31 PM EDT
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This outta shore up recruiting and retention.
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Really feels like this is on purpose at this point.
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