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Originally Posted By bennnn: It's the nature of GD that I will have low post count no EE feedback barely involved members abusing me for saying what I think. I definitely know this is GD. My only opportunity to answer the question in the OP is to respond here in GD. I'm proposing in this post that you all think about this - if you look at what I've done in the equipment exchange, and my involvement with this site that will show you that I clearly buy things, try them out, keep what I want and get rid of things I don't want. And so what you're hearing from me is from a prolific user, purchaser, and trader of guns and gun parts. That also means that I watch a lot of videos on YouTube about guns and guns parts. Y'all's videos come across as very forced marketing of THE CHANNEL. I'm not talking about you trying to sell parts for Brownells or sell things that they sell. I'm talking about the actual reviews. It comes across as scripted stilted and marketing for the channel which could possibly draw attention to ARFcom itself. If that's the impression that the YouTube community is going to get of arfcom my opinion is that it could be better for the site if it wasn't like that. I have poured thousands of hours of my life into this website. I won't brag about what I've done here but I will say this, if you want to hear from a quality long-term member who's interacted with the EE and the entire site, that's what I'm providing for you with my posts. Everyone else can carry on. View Quote Your post count and time on the forum alone showcases your dedication to the space. Without you and people like you, this part of the interest wouldn't have been valuable to the 2A community. Believe it or not, all of our efforts are in an attempt to bring more people to the forums and maintain ARFCOM's position in the industry. Youtube, Instagram, Twitter, etc is the future of communication and the only way we will likely activate the next generation to be as involved as you guy guys have been here. It will require a different approach than an HTML forum, but the goal is still the same. I want people to learn about, experience, skill share, and discuss the 2nd amendment for the foreseeable future. I want them to see AR15.com as THE place to come do just that. I won't claim to know more and understand what make this place successful for the past almost 30 years, but I am dedicated to seeing it succeed and grow in relevance in the growing digital environment that is the internet. I'm asking for and listening to ALL the feedback being provided here and doing my best to apply it if I can see it contributing the our collective end goal. I have said no to multiple higher paying jobs in the industry because I see the value in this work and in preserving this place as a collection point for people wanting to have the same journey we have had the privilege to because a bunch of nerds took the time to make an obscure idea a worth while resource for gun knowledge. I don't expect everyone to love what we are doing, but trust me when I say that I am working just as hard to keep the forums alive and well and ARFCOM in it's rightful place at the center of the 2A space. |
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Originally Posted By bennnn: It's the nature of GD that I will have low post count no EE feedback barely involved members abusing me for saying what I think. I definitely know this is GD. My only opportunity to answer the question in the OP is to respond here in GD. I'm proposing in this post that you all think about this - if you look at what I've done in the equipment exchange, and my involvement with this site that will show you that I clearly buy things, try them out, keep what I want and get rid of things I don't want. And so what you're hearing from me is from a prolific user, purchaser, and trader of guns and gun parts. That also means that I watch a lot of videos on YouTube about guns and guns parts. Y'all's videos come across as very forced marketing of THE CHANNEL. I'm not talking about you trying to sell parts for Brownells or sell things that they sell. I'm talking about the actual reviews. It comes across as scripted stilted and marketing for the channel which could possibly draw attention to ARFcom itself. If that's the impression that the YouTube community is going to get of arfcom my opinion is that it could be better for the site if it wasn't like that. I have poured thousands of hours of my life into this website. I won't brag about what I've done here but I will say this, if you want to hear from a quality long-term member who's interacted with the EE and the entire site, that's what I'm providing for you with my posts. Everyone else can carry on. View Quote |
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Pretty decent. You could have spent a little more time comparing it to a G48 MOS or G43x MOS with 15 round mags since those are the direct competitors. Personally I don't care for the M&Pish hinged trigger vs a more traditional Glock-like trigger shoe but that's an opinion and not a data point. I don't know if I needed that many seconds of watching people shoot a pistol over and over again given the total length of the video but that's a very nitpicky nitpick.
Tell PSA we want a Sabre Micro with an upgraded trigger and threaded barrel options. These things are just begging for an Omega 9k or similar. |
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it would be better if YouTube stopped turning off the comments
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Not bad. intro too long, then a teaser then sponsors. do the sponsors with the intro vid. not make us wait two minutes to get into it. a lot of people are gonna shut it off by then.
as you brought up the shield and psa mags. maybe a little more in depth on it. also any issues with psa mags? hear some grumps about shield gen 1 and gen2, not heard a lot about the gen3. other than still needs a new mag release. also is this stock mag release as crappy as the other dagger models? as in stiff, sharp and chonky. it did not look the same to me. should have talked about the red dot since in was on there. I cannot use that particular one as it starbursts bad on me. |
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Originally Posted By Sc00t3r: it would be better if YouTube stopped turning off the comments View Quote Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Subnet: You guys actually made me interested in a carry gun that I never would have considered (I'm a G19 guy...), and that feels like kind of a win. View Quote Me too... but honestly I feel like you guys didn't actually discuss the pistol all that much. Like... what is it? A 9mm, 15 round, Glock compatible..... etc. You talked around it and discussed the features. But there's so many damn Dagger variations, which one is this? Why is this one different? |
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Well, I'm subscribed, but don't watch many of the videos. Not really in the market to buy more stuff, so I'm more likely to listen to the news ones.
That said, I'm less likely to watch of it's something I recognize reading about already. Most of my YouTube watching is really more like listening to podcasts while I do something else. Not sure if that helps? |
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Originally Posted By somedude: Not bad. intro too long, then a teaser then sponsors. do the sponsors with the intro vid. not make us wait two minutes to get into it. a lot of people are gonna shut it off by then. as you brought up the shield and psa mags. maybe a little more in depth on it. also any issues with psa mags? hear some grumps about shield gen 1 and gen2, not heard a lot about the gen3. other than still needs a new mag release. also is this stock mag release as crappy as the other dagger models? as in stiff, sharp and chonky. it did not look the same to me. should have talked about the red dot since in was on there. I cannot use that particular one as it starbursts bad on me. View Quote Thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately we didn't get much round count with the PSA Mag in G43xs or G48s to make a claim on reliability. One of the features on the PSA Mag I personally was excited about was the poly overmold on the mag, now you don't have to change your mag release and can continue to use OEM Glock mags if you have them for your G43x/G48 unlike with shield mags. As for use in the Dagger Micro it worked as intended and fell free without snags when they were empty. The mag release felt good but not too stiff, to be fair i didn't notice it and personally that's what I like. Ill make a note to go into more detail in the future, mags are important. |
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I liked the intro. I will watch it more, later. Yall get a lot of harsh feedback and I just want to say how much I appreciate yall trying to make content we will like. Trying to provide a good service to the community is a good thing.
One small issue, if you’re going to show a close up of someone’s hand, get the fingers cleaned up a bit. I don’t want to say a manicure but make sure things are tidy. I only bring it up because someone will say it sooner or later. Good job. ETA: more advice, I’d suggest making the transition from sponsor to review more defined. Guy said word from our sponsors and it just didn’t flow well after that. Seemed out of place. Then it went right back into the review and I thought it was still a sponsor thing. Not sure how to fix that, I am not a videographer. Maybe something as simple as “getting back the review… blah blah”. |
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The successful recipe seems to be
(1) wear some form of larping gear with an emphasis on COIN ops (2) wear flannel shirts sometimes (3) use a disguise for a period of time (4) blow stuff up or simply shoot at stuff and destroy it, invite your fellow youtubers to do the same (5) do hundreds of reviews of various AR15s (6) do product reviews but make sure you crap on everything (7) do buddy buddy channel reviews making "guest" appearances (8) apparently - wear tight shorts or 'threaten' too (9) ensure you teach SMUT and mil load outs when you have never been in the mil (10) when shooting at targets - do it at 10 yds and then claim sub MOA accuracy (11) if outdoors wear Vidda Pro and the latest Alpha (12) slow mo is your friend (13) there are no other rounds other than 5.56 NATO (14) talk about your groups from a 10.3 inch barrel at 1000 yds (15) make sure you have multiple EDC placed around your home in you vehicle (16) have an ankle med kit (17) do more reviews of AR15s (18) never review a euro firearm but if you do rubbish it (19) do more product reviews and rubbish anything new, particularly when you don't understand the "tech" (20) have lots of former SEALs on the channel, ensure their gel is up to scratch (21) make sure the aforementioned SEAL also put one in OBL/UBL, make sure he does the book launch on your channel (22) make sure its understood that anyone who uses anything other than an AR15 is a FUDD (23) never talk about ballistics it confuses the audience and isn't necessary because 5.56 doesn't suffer from drop or windage because of it muzzle velocity (24) always use MOA, never use MILs - never ever do this, could be career suicide - only "euro" snipers use MILs and that why they always miss (and also because they're not using a 10.3 AR15) - everyone knows this is true What is the aim of the channel - to inform? or to make money? |
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Originally Posted By PeepEater: Pretty decent. You could have spent a little more time comparing it to a G48 MOS or G43x MOS with 15 round mags since those are the direct competitors. Personally I don't care for the M&Pish hinged trigger vs a more traditional Glock-like trigger shoe but that's an opinion and not a data point. I don't know if I needed that many seconds of watching people shoot a pistol over and over again given the total length of the video but that's a very nitpicky nitpick. Tell PSA we want a Sabre Micro with an upgraded trigger and threaded barrel options. These things are just begging for an Omega 9k or similar. View Quote We were just discussing this internally. We are trying not the make them too long winded, but I think topics like that are important to dive into. I appreciate you taking the time to give feedback, all of this is actionable :) |
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there are Blems on sale for $60 for those interested we do get kickbacks from this link that goes to the ammo fund
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Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: The successful recipe seems to be (1) wear some form of larping gear with an emphasis on COIN ops (2) wear flannel shirts sometimes (3) use a disguise for a period of time (4) blow stuff up or simply shoot at stuff and destroy it, invite your fellow youtubers to do the same (5) do hundreds of reviews of various AR15s (6) do product reviews but make sure you crap on everything (7) do buddy buddy channel reviews making "guest" appearances (8) apparently - wear tight shorts or 'threaten' too (9) ensure you teach SMUT and mil load outs when you have never been in the mil (10) when shooting at targets - do it at 10 yds and then claim sub MOA accuracy (11) if outdoors wear Vidda Pro and the latest Alpha (12) slow mo is your friend (13) there are no other rounds other than 5.56 NATO (14) talk about your groups from a 10.3 inch barrel at 1000 yds (15) make sure you have multiple EDC placed around your home in you vehicle (16) have an ankle med kit (17) do more reviews of AR15s (18) never review a euro firearm but if you do rubbish it (19) do more product reviews and rubbish anything new, particularly when you don't understand the "tech" (20) have lots of former SEALs on the channel, ensure their gel is up to scratch (21) make sure the aforementioned SEAL also put one in OBL/UBL, make sure he does the book launch on your channel (22) make sure its understood that anyone who uses anything other than an AR15 is a FUDD (23) never talk about ballistics it confuses the audience and isn't necessary because 5.56 doesn't suffer from drop or windage because of it muzzle velocity (24) always use MOA, never use MILs - never ever do this, could be career suicide - only "euro" snipers use MILs and that why they always miss (and also because they're not using a 10.3 AR15) - everyone knows this is true What is the aim of the channel - to inform? or to make money? View Quote Noted on the suggestions To inform and to entertain mostly. We are trying to also give a "forum" presence in other social media platforms. |
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Originally Posted By somedude: Not bad. intro too long, then a teaser then sponsors. do the sponsors with the intro vid. not make us wait two minutes to get into it. a lot of people are gonna shut it off by then. as you brought up the shield and psa mags. maybe a little more in depth on it. also any issues with psa mags? hear some grumps about shield gen 1 and gen2, not heard a lot about the gen3. other than still needs a new mag release. also is this stock mag release as crappy as the other dagger models? as in stiff, sharp and chonky. it did not look the same to me. should have talked about the red dot since in was on there. I cannot use that particular one as it starbursts bad on me. View Quote I do agree that we front load the sponsor reads (that comes from above us), I will see if I can give some push back on moving those reads to later in the video. The mag release felt about the same as the rest of the dagger line, I think it comes mostly from the goofy design they had on those gen 3 glocks. We didn't have any issues with the PSA mags, but we admittedly only put around 300 rounds through the gun and sole mag during the review. We didn't get into the red dot since we already have a full review on the Defender CCW, we should have annotated that in the video. They need to make a or a pistol dot with an etched reticle or something for folks who can't use red dots. I appreciate you taking the time to not only watch it but to give us some great/actionable feedback! |
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Originally Posted By NotIssued: Me too... but honestly I feel like you guys didn't actually discuss the pistol all that much. Like... what is it? A 9mm, 15 round, Glock compatible..... etc. You talked around it and discussed the features. But there's so many damn Dagger variations, which one is this? Why is this one different? View Quote Hmmm, when we made the comparisons to the more compact guns (the Taurus G4X carry, sig p365, etc) I thought we had articulated this. If it didn't come across for you then we definitely should have spent more time on the differences between this and the compact/full size. I definitely think we were nervous about it being too long, but we clearly skimped on details to accomplish it. We will see about giving more visual demos as well as maybe even giving specific measurements in future reviews. Thank you for watching the review and taking the time to give us feedback |
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Originally Posted By RandyLahey01: I liked the intro. I will watch it more, later. Yall get a lot of harsh feedback and I just want to say how much I appreciate yall trying to make content we will like. Trying to provide a good service to the community is a good thing. One small issue, if you’re going to show a close up of someone’s hand, get the fingers cleaned up a bit. I don’t want to say a manicure but make sure things are tidy. I only bring it up because someone will say it sooner or later. Good job. ETA: more advice, I’d suggest making the transition from sponsor to review more defined. Guy said word from our sponsors and it just didn’t flow well after that. Seemed out of place. Then it went right back into the review and I thought it was still a sponsor thing. Not sure how to fix that, I am not a videographer. Maybe something as simple as “getting back the review… blah blah”. View Quote I appreciate the kind words We will make sure the designated hand model cleans up before we subject you to having to look at them fingernails We thought the same thing after the edit came out about the sponsor transition so I definitely think we can provide a smoother transition from once segment to the other. This was all actionable! I appreciate you taking the time to provide the feedback! |
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I liked the music, started to nod my head to the beat. Lets hear some more retrowave next time.
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Originally Posted By Joshuasaur: Noted on the suggestions To inform and to entertain mostly. We are trying to also give a "forum" presence in other social media platforms. View Quote Do categories or series, have different levels of depth to specific categories. Seperate news from technical and lawfare from news. Do more shorts as teasers. Bring in SMEs to do "in depth" reviews of their specialist areas. |
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Originally Posted By Joshuasaur: Hmmm, when we made the comparisons to the more compact guns (the Taurus G4X carry, sig p365, etc) I thought we had articulated this. If it didn't come across for you then we definitely should have spent more time on the differences between this and the compact/full size. I definitely think we were nervous about it being too long, but we clearly skimped on details to accomplish it. We will see about giving more visual demos as well as maybe even giving specific measurements in future reviews. Thank you for watching the review and taking the time to give us feedback View Quote You guys did make the comparison. But it was a one-liner, 6 minutes into the video. I don't own a Taurus (shudder), and I believe you compared it to the Sig 365 Macro (which I don't own). So neither of those comparisons helped. It wasn't until you said something about the magazine compatibility with the Glock 43x/48 that I finally got a size reference... and that's only because I bought 48 a few months back! So, yeah, hard measurements are probably good. Also, if you're going to compare to different pistols, can you actually show them? |
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Originally Posted By Colt1860: The intro is too long but that's a nitpick. I only watched till 1:30 but it's not shockingly gay. So, huge improvement! View Quote Agreed. Review videos are NOT featured length films - you can tell by how attractive and skinny the main characters... aren't. In reality, most of us are watching for a few action shots and right into the nitty gritty of features, options and the overall verdict of good or bad. Long intros, silly animations with loud sound effects or cheesy music is a good way to get ignored, so I'd second the "shorter intro" thought. Oh, and I'll be the elephant in the room: you need someone with a really nice perky set of tits and a low-cut shirt for more clicks. Preferably a female, but these days.... |
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Coming from the camp of hate, that was a really good video. Much improved. If another arfcom vid pops up in my feed i might even watch it.
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I liked it. Nothing was really cringe and it had some good action clips and discussion. So you definitely get +1 intrawebz for adjusting fire and improving content.
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on the one hand there's [the media] and on the other hand there's the left wing progressives, and you can't really put them in the same camp that easily - JBP
Well, hopefully we will be putting them 'in the same camp' - Michael Malice |
From a guy with 1.8m+ YouTube subs.
Turn the comments on. |
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on the one hand there's [the media] and on the other hand there's the left wing progressives, and you can't really put them in the same camp that easily - JBP
Well, hopefully we will be putting them 'in the same camp' - Michael Malice |
Way better.
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Then there came from hunting, the weather-eyed shooter.
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Can’t watch from work. I’d say if there isn’t my little pony involved it ought to be fine.
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That was pretty good.
I don't usually like the "guys sitting around a table" format, but you kept it brief and mostly about the gun. Videos like this I don't mind being longer to cover everything, but don't make them longer just to make them longer. I watch using headphones, so I appreciate the effort into not blasting loud music or shooting. I subbed after this video, will watch more. |
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Originally Posted By Joshuasaur: That is movement in a positive direction! Any suggestions to be more straight or easier/more enjoyable to watch? Or do you think this type of content wouldn't be for you either way? I truly appreciate your time and input! View Quote The scenes where you have talking head shots and insets of stills etc, I would flip that. Put the content front and center and inset the talking head. I would always focus on content, not on trying to display personalities. When it's good, your content will stand on its own without trying to do the influencer thing. When you build an audience the personality thing will happen organically. |
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Good review. Short and to the point. 10 minutes is a good length for a review. Stayed on topic fairly well. Good comparisons to other guns in the same family of guns.
My only complaint is that the intro volume is too high compared to the rest of the video. |
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Definitely better. Not much that hasn't already been covered.
Me personally, I don't like the talking heads format. I'll tolerate it if you're a hunk like James Reeve or Colion Noir, tho. |
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Originally Posted By RRA_223: Agreed. Review videos are NOT featured length films - you can tell by how attractive and skinny the main characters... aren't. In reality, most of us are watching for a few action shots and right into the nitty gritty of features, options and the overall verdict of good or bad. Long intros, silly animations with loud sound effects or cheesy music is a good way to get ignored, so I'd second the "shorter intro" thought. Oh, and I'll be the elephant in the room: you need someone with a really nice perky set of tits and a low-cut shirt for more clicks. Preferably a female, but these days.... View Quote A hot female would definitely help our curb appeal We will see about maybe giving a TLDR in the beginning and then going into more detail after the commercial break. We might try doing a 30 second intro and keeping some of the "gun porn" shots to the end possibly. It's at least worth testing. |
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Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: Do categories or series, have different levels of depth to specific categories. Seperate news from technical and lawfare from news. Do more shorts as teasers. Bring in SMEs to do "in depth" reviews of their specialist areas. View Quote I have actually argued for this in the past! I'm happy to see some votes for this specific type of stratification of content I definitely think doing casual, more detailed, and then expert analysis video would be awesome and would engage those individual audiences where they might have an interest. Thank you for this feedback! |
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Originally Posted By NotIssued: You guys did make the comparison. But it was a one-liner, 6 minutes into the video. I don't own a Taurus (shudder), and I believe you compared it to the Sig 365 Macro (which I don't own). So neither of those comparisons helped. It wasn't until you said something about the magazine compatibility with the Glock 43x/48 that I finally got a size reference... and that's only because I bought 48 a few months back! So, yeah, hard measurements are probably good. Also, if you're going to compare to different pistols, can you actually show them? View Quote We definitely screwed the pooch on doing the physical showcasing of size so I'm glad you brought that up. Upon watching it again I do see that we only mentioned these size comparisons briefly and didn't go into more details on how it would fit in the hand or how to stack up to more common pistols like the G19. This will be amended in future episodes for sure! Thank you again |
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Who is the host? I refuse to give BuddyFucker a click.
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Cheesecake OG 1,2,3 and Cold War. Knight of Wonder. Nothing rhymes with apocalypse, except maybe taco lips-Carl Poppa
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Overall this is a solid improvement and I applaud your willingness to come here and subject yourself to the thrashings in order to get feedback from people you could honestly probably ignore and it would make little difference in the end result. I’ve went from watching these and debating which fuckboy I’d punch in the face first to being cautiously optimistic about future videos.
Honestly dude great job taking feedback and making changes. Almost makes me regret calling you out for shameless brand and culture whoring in your last thread. Glad to see that your soulless corporate masters hold less sway than previously thought. |
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Originally Posted By 125: 100%. I’m just under a million and wouldn’t be anywhere near there without the comment-driven engagement. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 125: Originally Posted By Shockergd: From a guy with 1.8m+ YouTube subs. Turn the comments on. 100%. I’m just under a million and wouldn’t be anywhere near there without the comment-driven engagement. I can't fathom what it must be like to have as much success as you two. |
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Originally Posted By RottenPumpkin: Coming from the camp of hate, that was a really good video. Much improved. If another arfcom vid pops up in my feed i might even watch it. View Quote That is a huge win for us! We are still definitely trying to make changes to make them better, but overall I am pretty happy to be seeing some progress |
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Originally Posted By crownvic96: I liked it. Nothing was really cringe and it had some good action clips and discussion. So you definitely get +1 intrawebz for adjusting fire and improving content. View Quote If we didn't try to apply the feedback it would have been an empty promise. The people that have taken the time to watch and give feedback I want to honor by listening and adjusting. I eventually hope to be able to make stuff simply based of suggestions here in the forums. |
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Originally Posted By FivespeedF150: Maybe, maybe not. Comments on arf-adjacent social media (Facebook, etc) usually are a worse reflection on arf GD than arf GD itself. View Quote Comments sections are definitely a spicy place. I will always be in favor of hearing what people have to say. If you are making video content to be viewed, the viewers are your customers. |
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Originally Posted By Shockergd: From a guy with 1.8m+ YouTube subs. Turn the comments on. View Quote Youtube is turning them off without us asking them to. We have collectively had to turn them back on 15 times in less than 48 hours. I would keep track of your settings as you go live with new content moving forward. |
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